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I get that FS preempted her lack of presence but where is LIS?

My potentially being a convert:
Like Pippy said, I knew about the reflexive kill Genny had. Not until recently but I did know about it.

My potentially being chaos:
@Pips
Numbers wise:
18 players
3 confirmed wolves
1 possible original wolf
1 possible convert
So at the very least 4 anti-town players in the game already
If I was chaos, extrapolate other data from that.
Look at the numbers.
Do you really think this game would be that unbalanced?

My potentially being an original wolf:
You're off your rocker if you've been thinking this.
 
Melchizedek said:
I get that FS preempted her lack of presence but where is LIS?

My potentially being a convert:
Like Pippy said, I knew about the reflexive kill Genny had. Not until recently but I did know about it.

My potentially being chaos:
@Pips
Numbers wise:
18 players
3 confirmed wolves
1 possible original wolf
1 possible convert
So at the very least 4 anti-town players in the game already
If I was chaos, extrapolate other data from that.
Look at the numbers.
Do you really think this game would be that unbalanced?

My potentially being an original wolf:
You're off your rocker if you've been thinking this.
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I'd personally make this a 4 non-village game based on numbers. However, I could see someone else stretching it to 5 or lowering it to 3 depending upon personal preference. So at this point, yes, we could still have a chaos among us. The possibilities are...

1 original wolf left
1 convert wolf left
1 of both
or 1 original with a chaos
or 1 convert with a chaos

I am sure there are many more possibilities, but using numbers to claim you can't be chaos or a converted wolf, does not convince me as some mods are very heavy on the anti-town players.
 
LIS, MJ, FS, Allie and DVMD (and to a very very lesser extent Teeps) are the only question marks in my book and the first three are unlikely to actually discuss.
DVMDream said:
I'd personally make this a 4 non-village game based on numbers. However, I could see someone else stretching it to 5 or lowering it to 3 depending upon personal preference. So at this point, yes, we could still have a chaos among us. The possibilities are...

1 original wolf left
1 convert wolf left
1 of both
or 1 original with a chaos
or 1 convert with a chaos

I am sure there are many more possibilities, but using numbers to claim you can't be chaos or a converted wolf, does not convince me as some mods are very heavy on the anti-town players.
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There's a reason I was addressing Pippy and not the thread in general.
 
Melchizedek said:
There's a reason I was addressing Pippy and not the thread in general.
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Don't want to be called out on what can easily be shown to be crap logic? Sorry, not sorry.

You can play the numbers game all you want, but there is no way to show/prove that makes you unlikely to be chaos by using numbers. And stating that you wanted Pippy only to comment on that just shows that you think you can play her.
 
DVMDream said:
Don't want to be called out on what can easily be shown to be crap logic? Sorry, not sorry.

You can play the numbers game all you want, but there is no way to show/prove that makes you unlikely to be chaos by using numbers. And stating that you wanted Pippy only to comment on that just shows that you think you can play her.
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No its because Pippy has information (as do two other people but they're not paranoid about me being chaos so I didn't feel the need to point them out) that leads to logical conclusions. Nice try but you're reaching.
 
Melchizedek said:
No its because Pippy has information (as do two other people but they're not paranoid about me being chaos so I didn't feel the need to point them out) that leads to logical conclusions. Nice try but you're reaching.
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Unless the information is "there are x non-village players in the game" that came directly from the mods. Then there is no other way your numbers theory is going to directly show/prove you to not be chaos or a convert. It isn't reaching, it is using logic, I've played this game long enough to know what kind of info can be available. So unless Pippy knows there is only one non-villager player remaining, your numbers theory does nothing for me and should not do anything for anyone else.
 
Melchizedek said:
I get that FS preempted her lack of presence but where is LIS?

My potentially being a convert:
Like Pippy said, I knew about the reflexive kill Genny had. Not until recently but I did know about it.

My potentially being chaos:
@Pips
Numbers wise:
18 players
3 confirmed wolves
1 possible original wolf
1 possible convert
So at the very least 4 anti-town players in the game already
If I was chaos, extrapolate other data from that.
Look at the numbers.
Do you really think this game would be that unbalanced?

My potentially being an original wolf:
You're off your rocker if you've been thinking this.
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I get your numbers argument. Do you really want me to break that down and explain why I think you may be wrong? If you are sure you want me to then I will go for it.

But regardless, here is what I think.

- You have been acting chaosy (like you normally do, so that doesn't tell me much)
- Part of your ability is ridiculously OP unless there are certain balancing mechanisms in place, which I have some thoughts about but am not going to put here in order to protect you
- You have been playing mostly for the village; I believe if you are non-village you probably can win with the village, which is why I am not so worried about you
- I have a guess as to what your role name actually is if you are chaos and I would be very amused if it was correct, sir

I am not that bent out of shape about people lynching you. I'm probably not going to jump on it myself, but I'm not going to do too much to stop them either.
 
If Pippy doesn't come back/comment on this by 8:45 (24 minutes. I'm going to request now that the two players who know what this
Melchizedek said:
My potentially being chaos:
@Pips
Numbers wise:
18 players
3 confirmed wolves
1 possible original wolf
1 possible convert
So at the very least 4 anti-town players in the game already
If I was chaos, extrapolate other data from that.
Look at the numbers.
Do you really think this game would be that unbalanced?
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Means, will come out and comment on DVMD's statement here:

DVMDream said:
I'd personally make this a 4 non-village game based on numbers. However, I could see someone else stretching it to 5 or lowering it to 3
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PippyPony said:
I get your numbers argument. Do you really want me to break that down and explain why I think you may be wrong? If you are sure you want me to then I will go for it.

But regardless, here is what I think.

- You have been acting chaosy (like you normally do, so that doesn't tell me much)
- Part of your ability is ridiculously OP unless there are certain balancing mechanisms in place, which I have some thoughts about but am not going to put here in order to protect you
- You have been playing mostly for the village; I believe if you are non-village you probably can win with the village, which is why I am not so worried about you
- I have a guess as to what your role name actually is if you are chaos and I would be very amused if it was correct, sir

I am not that bent out of shape about people lynching you. I'm probably not going to jump on it myself, but I'm not going to do too much to stop them either.
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You know EVERYTHING about my ability, the rest of what you perceive to be me gaining info from my ability is either me getting info straight from the mods or intuition. My ability is what you know it is, and no its not quite OP but I do think that with Jil dead, it is now.
 
Melchizedek said:
If Pippy doesn't come back/comment on this by 8:45 (24 minutes. I'm going to request now that the two players who know what this


Means, will come out and comment on DVMD's statement here:
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Even you are stating that you don't know the number of non-village players present. Even if you did, I am not sure I would believe you to be perfectly honest. Either you will get lynched and I will get my answer. Or I will get lynched/die and hopefully the others will lynch you and I will find out my answer.

Or a lot of people will get bags of glitter dicks once the game ends and we found out the answer that way. But my lynch is on you unless I have good, compelling reason for it not to be.
 
Melchizedek said:
LIS, MJ, FS, Allie and DVMD (and to a very very lesser extent Teeps) are the only question marks in my book and the first three are unlikely to actually discuss.
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Whatever you want to "discuss" I am here and willing to provide you answers about anything you find sketchy about me.

I don't want to be stressed about tie breaking closer to deadline so for now I will lynch FS but not completely sold on it
 
Melchizedek said:
You know EVERYTHING about my ability, the rest of what you perceive to be me gaining info from my ability is either me getting info straight from the mods or intuition. My ability is what you know it is
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I know. I'm not adding anything else onto what I explicitly know to be true about your abilities, plural.

Melchizedek said:
no its not quite OP but I do think that with Jil dead, it is now.
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Lol this is still straight bull**** tho
 
Melchizedek said:
You know EVERYTHING about my ability, the rest of what you perceive to be me gaining info from my ability is either me getting info straight from the mods or intuition. My ability is what you know it is, and no its not quite OP but I do think that with Jil dead, it is now.
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And this is the mistake you, STL and DocE make. I don't give a rat's ass about your "intuition" tell me the facts straight up without your opinion and I will come to MY OWN conclusions. I'm not stupid and myself and others don't need your "intuition" shoved down our throats.
 
allieh8607 said:
Whatever you want to "discuss" I am here and willing to provide you answers about anything you find sketchy about me.

I don't want to be stressed about tie breaking closer to deadline so for now I will lynch FS but not completely sold on it
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Things I'd like to know:
Why did you push about Genny's item and ability after lynch close D2?
Who is your top candidate for original wolf
Who is your top candidate for potential convert?
 
DVMDream said:
Even you are stating that you don't know the number of non-village players present. Even if you did, I am not sure I would believe you to be perfectly honest. Either you will get lynched and I will get my answer. Or I will get lynched/die and hopefully the others will lynch you and I will find out my answer.

Or a lot of people will get bags of glitter dicks once the game ends and we found out the answer that way. But my lynch is on you unless I have good, compelling reason for it not to be.
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I have no idea if there is a convert or even any wolves left at all, but heads up that you are still heavily pinging my radar for a convert if one exists.
 
PippyPony said:
I have no idea if there is a convert or even any wolves left at all, but heads up that you are still heavily pinging my radar for a convert if one exists.
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I am fine with that. But lynch me sooner than later then so you can get on with lynching the real threats. There is a HEAVY clue I left in this thread this round as to what I came back as. It only takes a bit of reading to recognize what I am saying.

But if you ****ing lynch me and then don't lynch Mel as soon as I flip village. You will forever be my first lynch every game for the next year. Sorry @SportPonies I will have to move on.
 
Ugh, I don't feel great about the FS lynch, strictly because I feel like a lynch could be put in a more useful place today. I just don't know where "more useful" is. FS is contributing nothing to the game right now, but if he's hypothetically the only wolf left, I really feel like he would be trying a little harder.
 
Lynch DVMD

Hesitated on this all day because I wasn't completely convinced that we have a convert, but like I said multiple times, this is my biggest lead on that front.

This comes with the full disclaimer that if we end up waffling all over the place and it comes down to me or FS, I WILL vote FS, because lynching me is so much worse for village than lynching a player that has been pretty MIA/not contributing much.
 
Next time I am revived I am just going to shut up and say nothing or next to nothing... like Teep. Less of a target on my back that way.

Also, definitely WIFOM, but you can look back on any game I have played in. When I tunnel vision on one person in particular I am always a villager. Take that for what it is worth. I also will indefinitely lynch Mel until either he or myself is gone. If that bothers people, take one of us out now. If it is me, then lynch Mel when I am village. I will gladly fall on that sword. Since I have been watching him manipulate all of you for days, he is now just pissed he has a dissenter. Prior to my showing up, he had this game in the bag and now he is pissed. Hence why he ignored 90% of my posts today. It is why he won't directly respond to me for the most part (just an occasional response here and there). It is why he did the "I was talking to Pippy not posting that to the thread". I am challenging him and he doesn't have good responses.
 
Melchizedek said:
Things I'd like to know:
Why did you push about Genny's item and ability after lynch close D2?
Who is your top candidate for original wolf
Who is your top candidate for potential convert?
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1) I didn't "push". It was clear that there was going to be suspicions placed on those who "pushed" her during that lynch, and I was one of those people. So I genuinely was curious why she didn't disclose that it was an item that gave her that information. It would have saved a lot of confusion and speculation; she could have just come right out of the gate and said "I had an item last night that gave me information about britzen, blah blah blah". I never once pushed her to reveal her role, was just frustrated that I made myself look sketchy unnecessarily.

2) Maybe AM as an original. Her posts really don't have much substance, she questions a lot of people but doesn't contribute much of her own thoughts, and I just feel like she's kind of just floating by under the radar. The only thing holding me back from feeling confident about her is her voting pattern with Jilary. That makes her lean a little more village to me.

3) Convert suspicions for me come down to DVMD vs Teep. Just hung up on both of them claiming to be "mod" resurrected and I don't know if those rezzes would have been factored into the game from a keeping-the-balance point of view. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a rez ability is typically a one time thing so if we have a villager that rezzed one of them, I would think they would have said something by now. I guess there's a slight chance they're keeping mum so they don't put a big old convert target on their back, but eh. No one has spoken up, so hypothetically either DVMD and Teep are both telling the truth about being mod rezzes, or wolves rezzed one.

sorry for posting this after deadline...distracted by buckeye football 🙂
 
Lots of debate. This mod is feeling sleepy so....I’ll be brief.

His absence may have been his undoing. A super magical creature met his maker. Sorry, @Frozenshades - Myau of Phantasy Star (even night tracker): you haz a ded.
latest


It is Night 6. PM deadline is ~9am Eastern (if I get PMs before I need to leave for a CE event, I will close sooner. Otherwise, KB is in charge).

11 players.

Player Roster:
1. @Crayola227-Pulseman (blocker)
2. @allieh8607
3. @WildZoo
4. @Mad Jack - FOUND!
5. @DVMDream
6. @Jilary - Dr. Ivo “Eggman” Robotnik (WOLF)
7. @Animal Midwife
8. @Cyndia - Ryu (vanillager)
9. @genny - Dinosaur Hunter from Jurassic Park (item maker)
10. @PippyPony
11. @vetmedhead
12. @SnowshoeDog143 - Player #6 (WOLF)
13. @Melchizedek
14. @SportPonies
15. @Frozenshades - Myau (even night tracker)
16. @britzen - Shao Kahn (WOLF)
17. @LetItSnow
18. @Teepster87
 
SportPonies said:
Crap I was going to change my vote, too.

@vetmedhead did Mel role reveal to you?
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Change your vote to me?

You both know half and half. You should be able to understand what I was getting at with my questions to Pippy with the half you know.
 
These are the posts that I found from FS that indicate any sort of reads (barring the ones about Snowy).
Frozenshades said:
I agree some odd behavior but I'm thinking of pippy as more towards village for right now. AM and genny too.



I dunno man. I feel like people's default response has always been test first, ask questions later, when someone is that straight forward or confident with an accusation. A wolf would be unlikely to do that because if they send the lynch mob on a villager, they're probably dead next.
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This was right out of the gate on D3, is this FS trying to soft clear one of these players?
ETA: Yeah Genny was reading pretty village at this point in the game, AM was on a few people's sketch lists at that point I think? Could have been looked into
Pippy also sketchy at the time for the pushback against genny so also could've been looked into.

Frozenshades said:
Got busy this afternoon. Catching up.

Lynch sporty for now
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This was much later D3 which could possibly indicate that FS tracked SP N3 and this was a gut reaction to the night results before he read up. Or it could have just been placing a vote to place a vote. Leaning toward the latter because I have pretty good village read on SP.

The only other night he would have been able to track is N4 and unfortunately we have nothing to go on from D5 that would indicate who was tracked.
 
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**** nobody let me think too hard about WIFOMy things again.

Does anyone have any seering suggestions tonight? I have my own list of potentials but I'd appreciate some input
 
Melchizedek said:
These are the posts that I found from FS that indicate any sort of reads (barring the ones about Snowy).

This was right out of the gate on D3, is this FS trying to soft clear one of these players?
ETA: Yeah Genny was reading pretty village at this point in the game, AM was on a few people's sketch lists at that point I think? Could have been looked into
Pippy also sketchy at the time for the pushback against genny so also could've been looked into.


This was much later D3 which could possibly indicate that FS tracked SP N3 and this was a gut reaction to the night results before he read up. Or it could have just been placing a vote to place a vote. Leaning toward the latter because I have pretty good village read on SP.

The only other night he would have been able to track is N4 and unfortunately we have nothing to go on from D5 that would indicate who was tracked.
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This sounds like an exercise in futility. I get what you're trying to do but we have no way to know who FS tracked so guessing doesn't help and only muddies the water. It also definitely doesn't help if you're thinking a convert is remaining. And that further doesn't take into account that tracking really only partially clears a player... basically you'll only find a wolf if they're doing something suspicious which they just may not have been.

So really the above post just causes further confusion and isn't helpful to locating who we need to lynch.
 
DVMDream said:
Myself, teep, Mel, AM, WZ
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Someone brought up checking out you and teep in PM with me yesterday, but my concern is that if either of you were resurrected without an ability this time or with the same role name then it wouldn't give me a whole lot of information to go off of in terms of sorting out affiliation (you could be a vanillager or a vanilla wolf, assuming the wolf pack kill isn't reported as an ability. I'm not sure because I have yet to investigate someone that was a confirmed wolf).

I have already looked into AM and the role ability I got sounded relatively village. I could look into Mel but I suspect his role ability may come back similar to someone else I looked into this game. I could do a role name on him and see if that's informative.

I could do Dubz. Maybe a role name instead of role ability would be more useful since we have something of an idea of role ability from the snowy lynch. I could still look into ability and see if the lynch avoidances are still intact.
 
SportPonies said:
I was referring specifically to his role name.

I'm just sitting here debating over whether the name he gave me could be considered a chaos-y character. I could see it, maybe? But the character is technically a "good guy"
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I never got a role name from him. Out of curiosity, was his role name from a character who is traditionally considered part of a pair?
 
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