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Animal Midwife said:
Oh, there's another ability that when converted would work marvelously in this situation.
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Ok you need to start being less cryptic though because you are not helping the village right now.

You don't have to hint at theories -- you can state theories directly. Because they are theories. They are not information. You're also not protecting anyone anymore by concealing the mechanism
 
DVMDream said:
So why still suspicious about MJ today then?

As far as LIS role/auto-conversion/what would happen if he was found... no idea. I don't know about the double kills. Apparently there was one the night I died. So Night 2 is the first double kill (one successful and one attempted) that we know of. And no that isn't me thinking I protected genny from something, Mel kept stating yesterday or day before that there was a second kill attempt that night but I was wrong about it being genny.
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The attack was on him or his mason partner, I'm assuming

So you are saying there was no double kill when Britzen was still alive? But then it started when she was lynched?

Because I know what the write up says but doesn't that timing sketch anyone else out at all?

Particularly with LIS claiming the role she was looking for?
 
PippyPony said:
Ok you need to start being less cryptic though because you are not helping the village right now.

You don't have to hint at theories -- you can state theories directly. Because they are theories. They are not information. You're also not protecting anyone anymore by concealing the mechanism
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I'm just afraid that if I say something, suddenly no one will have that ability and they won't get caught.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I'm just afraid that if I say something, suddenly no one will have that ability and they won't get caught.
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How do you expect to catch them otherwise? Our ability seer is dead. If your theory is correct they're probably not going to reveal the ability anyway.
 
PippyPony said:
The attack was on him or his mason partner, I'm assuming

So you are saying there was no double kill when Britzen was still alive? But then it started when she was lynched?

Because I know what the write up says but doesn't that timing sketch anyone else out at all?

Particularly with LIS claiming the role she was looking for?
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It does but I wouldn't expect to be lied to by the writeup
All I can think is maybe he gained something himself for outliving britzen? Would have to look at when he was blocked though, if it was n2 then i don't think that works either.
 
PippyPony said:
The attack was on him or his mason partner, I'm assuming

So you are saying there was no double kill when Britzen was still alive? But then it started when she was lynched?

Because I know what the write up says but doesn't that timing sketch anyone else out at all?

Particularly with LIS claiming the role she was looking for?
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I am stating what has been stated by Mel a thousand times. The first double kill attempt was on Night 2. I don't recall if britz was still alive or not. I believe LIS was still vanillager up to the point he was blocked... which was Night 3 if I recall correctly. So if you are saying LIS automatically became a wolf when britz died, no I don't think so, but again, I don't remember when britz died.
 
WildZoo said:
It does but I wouldn't expect to be lied to by the writeup
All I can think is maybe he gained something himself for outliving britzen? Would have to look at when he was blocked though, if it was n2 then i don't think that works either.
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Ok but what if he just claimed he was blocked because he got converted? Who says wolves need to use their abilities every night?

And that DOES mean that DVMD would be a suspect because -- as she has pointed out -- their equivalent blocking message is the same and therefore proof of vanillager
 
PippyPony said:
Right. I also knew there would be a whistle-blower in terms of one of those people. So why would I go for them first if I could take them both out with a double kill later on
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I am not understanding what you are trying to say here and what I am taking away from this is you admitting you are a wolf to the thread, which, clearly, I don't think you would do. Attempt to re-explain so I don't misinterpret?
 
PippyPony said:
Ok but what if he just claimed he was blocked because he got converted? Who says wolves need to use their abilities every night?

And that DOES mean that DVMD would be a suspect because -- as she has pointed out -- their equivalent blocking message is the same and therefore proof of vanillager
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No, that is possible, I'm just not sure I believe this would be a 5 wolf game with double kills and an alpha
 
PippyPony said:
Ok but what if he just claimed he was blocked because he got converted? Who says wolves need to use their abilities every night?

And that DOES mean that DVMD would be a suspect because -- as she has pointed out -- their equivalent blocking message is the same and therefore proof of vanillager
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:bang:

Unless the mods are seriously giving me the same message LIS received to help LIS cover his tracks, I don't think he could have been converted until after the blocking night. I have nothing to gain by mentioning this. Literally.. nothing. It doesn't serve me as a wolf. Definitely has caused me significant headache. And really am only doing it because I am trying to help the village piece together events and when things could have or may have occurred.
 
I'd be willing to risk mod lightning and just post the damn PM from them just to get you all to believe me. **** if I am taken out, at least then you will see I am being honest and Pippy is grasping at damn straws.

Pippy who do you want to tunnel on more? Me, LIS or WZ?
 
DVMDream said:
I am not understanding what you are trying to say here and what I am taking away from this is you admitting you are a wolf to the thread, which, clearly, I don't think you would do. Attempt to re-explain so I don't misinterpret?
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Lol yes, because wolves always state they are wolves on the thread as part of their argument about why they are not wolves.

I am saying that Mel told me there would be someone who would get me lynched if I killed either one of them, because I knew everything about their role.

Wolves clearly have a double kill.

So if I was a wolf and trying to survive in end game why would I kill someone who would blow the whistle on me for having that information.

I would have killed vmh + someone else, or killed both masons at the same time so that I didn't get exposed. And you can probably say WIFOM to that but I can tell you this would not be worth the effort to defend in my mind.

Which, now that I'm thinking about that, probably does clear MJ because he's not that dumb (I mean he's kinda dumb as a wolf. But not that dumb 😛 )

ETA: I have known who the other mason was since Mel exposed a detail about my role on the thread
 
Still want to hear more from allie... I am leaving in 30 minutes to go to a football game and likely won't be back before lynch.

Do whatever you want, but if Pippy leads a lynch on me or LIS then states tomorrow that the opposite of us must be lynched to be sure because as I have stated MULTIPLE times we aren't a gorram ****ing unit, then she is your wolf, guaranteed. Right now she claims we are a unit, we are either both wolves or both village.
 
WildZoo said:
LIS was blocked N2, so after ritz was lynched

The only way I could see this working would be that there was a delay in his conversion or something. It would be a really convoluted mechanic.
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He said he was blocked N2.

Are you seriously saying that you think a wolf block clears someone?
 
PippyPony said:
He said he was blocked N2.

Are you seriously saying that you think a wolf block clears someone?
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No pip I'm saying that with the block message he received specifically, DVMD would have to be lying for him to have been a wolf at that point in time. Or, as she said, the mods gave her the same message to help him cover his tracks, which is like...5 steps too far for a mod to do.
 
DVMDream said:
I'd be willing to risk mod lightning and just post the damn PM from them just to get you all to believe me. **** if I am taken out, at least then you will see I am being honest and Pippy is grasping at damn straws.

Pippy who do you want to tunnel on more? Me, LIS or WZ?
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I'd really like to take all 3 of you out in a triple tie, actually 😉
 
PippyPony said:
Lol yes, because wolves always state they are wolves on the thread as part of their argument about why they are not wolves.

I am saying that Mel told me there would be someone who would get me lynched if I killed either one of them, because I knew everything about their role.

Wolves clearly have a double kill.

So if I was a wolf and trying to survive in end game why would I kill someone who would blow the whistle on me for having that information.

I would have killed vmh + someone else, or killed both masons at the same time so that I didn't get exposed. And you can probably say WIFOM to that but I can tell you this would not be worth the effort to defend in my mind.

Which, now that I'm thinking about that, probably does clear MJ because he's not that dumb (I mean he's kinda dumb as a wolf. But not that dumb 😛 )

ETA: I have known who the other mason was since Mel exposed a detail about my role on the thread
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But VMH + someone else was killed? And someone did try to lynch you? I am confused. And you mocking me at the top isn't helping. I stated straightforward that you wouldn't do that... I was trying to get clarity from you without it blowing up. But you let it blow up.
 
WildZoo said:
No pip I'm saying that with the block message he received specifically, DVMD would have to be lying for him to have been a wolf at that point in time. Or, as she said, the mods gave her the same message to help him cover his tracks, which is like...5 steps too far for a mod to do.
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He didn't reveal the message until later on. And that "but it didn't matter" part could totally mean something different than what they are claiming right now.
 
DVMDream said:
But VMH + someone else was killed? And someone did try to lynch you? I am confused. And you mocking me at the top isn't helping. I stated straightforward that you wouldn't do that... I was trying to get clarity from you without it blowing up. But you let it blow up.
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No. I said "vmh and someone else" as in someone other than just one of the 2 masons that I have known about for days now.
 
PippyPony said:
He didn't reveal the message until later on. And that "but it didn't matter" part could totally mean something different than what they are claiming right now.
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Want me to direct quote it and get lightning bolted out? I totally will. I'm not ****ing making this **** up and in what logical situation would I? In what way would it benefit me? I can think of a 293484325423534 different and better ways to play this off if I came back as a wolf. Stating I am a vanilla villager and got a similar message to someone else (who I can't say for sure was not converted) is NOT one of those "better tactics".
 
DVMDream said:
Want me to direct quote it and get lightning bolted out? I totally will. I'm not ****ing making this **** up and in what logical situation would I? In what way would it benefit me? I can think of a 293484325423534 different and better ways to play this off if I came back as a wolf. Stating I am a vanilla villager and got a similar message to someone else (who I can't say for sure was not converted) is NOT one of those "better tactics".
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I dunno, clearly people believe you so it's obviously not a terrible tactic :shrug:
 
Hokay. I went to look at the exact phrasing he used. I thought it had actually used the word vanilla originally, but that was a conjecture he added on. So it actually said "Joke's on them cause it didn't matter 😛 "
Still, that requires some convoluted stuff
1) they actually went through with the block rather than just faking it
2)kaydubs actually played along enough to give him that message
3) he wasn't actually blocked that night, but on some other night (needs more research, because I think all the blocks on subsequent nights were claimed by other players) because if he was actually blocked N2 the double kill wouldn't have worked, assuming it became his ability upon conversion
 
PippyPony said:
I dunno, clearly people believe you so it's obviously not a terrible tactic :shrug:
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I sure don't feel like people believe me because I keep having to explain it every other page of this damn thread. And maybe, just maybe, some people believe me because it is the truth. It would have been much easier for me to lynch LIS and actually I thought he was a wolf initially when I came back because being the only vanillager seemed odd to me. It wasn't UNTIL I got that message from the mods that I thought.. hmm, he is telling the truth. Again, UNLESS the mods are telling me that to help give LIS some cover story which is taking things a bit far, but anything is possible.
 
WildZoo said:
Hokay. I went to look at the exact phrasing he used. I thought it had actually used the word vanilla originally, but that was a conjecture he added on. So it actually said "Joke's on them cause it didn't matter 😛 "
Still, that requires some convoluted stuff
1) they actually went through with the block rather than just faking it
2)kaydubs actually played along enough to give him that message
3) he wasn't actually blocked that night, but on some other night (needs more research, because I think all the blocks on subsequent nights were claimed by other players) because if he was actually blocked N2 the double kill wouldn't have worked, assuming it became his ability upon conversion
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OR
they blocked him and someone else in the pack was able to carry out the double kill because it was a pack mechanism

OR
he was/is unblockable

OR
DVMD is lying
 
WildZoo said:
Hokay. I went to look at the exact phrasing he used. I thought it had actually used the word vanilla originally, but that was a conjecture he added on. So it actually said "Joke's on them cause it didn't matter 😛 "
Still, that requires some convoluted stuff
1) they actually went through with the block rather than just faking it
2)kaydubs actually played along enough to give him that message
3) he wasn't actually blocked that night, but on some other night (needs more research, because I think all the blocks on subsequent nights were claimed by other players) because if he was actually blocked N2 the double kill wouldn't have worked, assuming it became his ability upon conversion
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Yes... the message was not stating anything about vanilla-ness... it was exactly as you posted above, with the tongue-sticking out emoticon included. It is why I believed it, I got the same thing verbatim.


Someone blocked you :bullcrap:
Joke's on them cause it didn't matter 😛
 
I will say that I started to get wolf marks for him in my re-read AFTER Britzen was lynched.

Up until then I had had him village; then there was a tone shift
 
PippyPony said:
OR
DVMD is lying
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But, again, what benefit would I get to lie about this? Really? And why? He wasn't even a contender when I brought it up yesterday? Why bring up something about a player that wasn't in danger of being lynched. Especially in the situation YOU are proposing in which we are both converted wolves.

Why would I bring up my fellow wolf who is not a contender at the time? Why saying anything about him at all? And further more, YOU ARE STILL DISCOUNTING THAT I AGREE HE COULD BE A CONVERT!!! Holy ****ing hell.
 
PippyPony said:
OR
they blocked him and someone else in the pack was able to carry out the double kill because it was a pack mechanism

OR
he was/is unblockable

OR
DVMD is lying
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I could believe the first
I think the other two are less likely. Unblockable wolf, double kills, and an alpha? Again not trying to read kaydubs's mind but...
And I just don't think DVMD is lying here
 
DVMDream said:
Yes... the message was not stating anything about vanilla-ness... it was exactly as you posted above, with the tongue-sticking out emoticon included. It is why I believed it, I got the same thing verbatim.


Someone blocked you :bullcrap:
Joke's on them cause it didn't matter 😛
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Right. And I still think it's weird that you take a single line of a night result that could have multiple interpretations and are using it as unassailable proof of someone being village.

Why did the second line not show up when you were first blocked? Why only now? Are you saying the ONLY explanation for that is that you were not vanilla and now you are?
 
PippyPony said:
Right. And I still think it's weird that you take a single line of a night result that could have multiple interpretations and are using it as unassailable proof of someone being village.

Why did the second line not show up when you were first blocked? Why only now? Are you saying the ONLY explanation for that is that you were not vanilla and now you are?
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Why would I have the second line the first time I was blocked? Seriously? It DID matter. I was not able to protect myself that first night.

I am now vanilla. The block did jack ****e. Joke is on them because it did not matter.

And I did not say it was unassailable proof of someone being village. No where did I state that. I stated that based on that, I strongly feel that LIS did NOT START the game as wolf. And now we have even MORE information (his role) as well as Britzen's ability that PROVES that to be true. He could not have STARTED as wolf. Period. No questions there.
 
Idk, I ****ing give up

I have 10 hours of lecture to watch today; clearly I'm going in circles so this is a waste of time

May check in before lynch close, may not -- MJ and dubz both know my role name and ability as of now, and AM knows my ability, so if you decide you want to lynch me then they are welcome to share that information
 
No where have I stated or ever said not to lynch LIS or even said he is not a wolf.

I am only stating that based upon that and now even more with his role out there on thread, he IS NOT going to be an original wolf. If you are looking for an original it is NOT him. I don't think anyone can really argue with this and how you are still arguing with this is just beyond me.
 
DVMDream said:
Why would I have the second line the first time I was blocked? Seriously? It DID matter. I was not able to protect myself that first night.

I am now vanilla. The block did jack ****e. Joke is on them because it did not matter.

And I did not say it was unassailable proof of someone being village. No where did I state that. I stated that based on that, I strongly feel that LIS did NOT START the game as wolf. And now we have even MORE information (his role) as well as Britzen's ability that PROVES that to be true. He could not have STARTED as wolf. Period. No questions there.
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Ok then explain to me why the double kills started only on N2 after Britzen was lynched.

If someone can explain that, then I would really appreciate it.

Ok I'm done for now
 
PippyPony said:
Ok then explain to me why the double kills started only on N2 after Britzen was lynched.

If someone can explain that, then I would really appreciate it.

Ok I'm done for now
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Umm, well there is such a thing as wolves having an extra kill every even night and has nothing to do with britzen at all.

Also, you are basing this off... what? Jilary telling you that britz would get an extra kill if she had killed LIS... are you really going to believe a wolf on that?
 
@Animal Midwife
kaydubs said:
And dead is @SnowshoeDog143 - Player #6 (oh, evil #6) WOLF. She could impersonate another player by stealing their role ability for a night OR cause a player to redirect his or her ability on another. Sneaky.
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So, one did exist, but it's dead and was a wolf. Unless you believe there was another redirector, with no evidence of such in the game...think you're grasping at straws here. Next explanation?
 
WildZoo said:
@Animal Midwife

So, one did exist, but it's dead and was a wolf. Unless you believe there was another redirector, with no evidence of such in the game...think you're grasping at straws here. Next explanation?
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Don't have another explanation. That's all I'm able to interpret from my night results.
 
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