Serial/Criminal Minds WW - Game Thread

[Stagg737]

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I'm also more concerned about Mel right now. Will explain later, but would like to see some answers from people first.

 

[kaydubs]

Day 2: Don't Look Too Long into the Abyss

cubs ()
Stagg (1) - AM
samac (1) - cubs
Mel (1) - vetschoolsplz
mkg (1) - genny
TME (2) - Visc, Stagg

6/12

Has yet to vote: too many to tag atm

Vote closes at 10pm, TODAY, 11/14 (~10.5 hours)

 

[Animal Midwife]

@TelemarketingEnigma, Cray's catch-up reminded me, what info did you gain from the alley flip?

 

[mkg323]

Frowning because at least one of you betwen you and TME had as a wolfy tactic going after AM in a past game

Too tired to write a treatise on why that is sometimes a favored wolf move

i'm pretty sure I got caught bc I was defending AM super hard in RvB, not bc I was going after her

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

finally back on a computer commencing catch up

No, I can post one now though.

this is shockingly forthcoming

Frowning because at least one of you betwen you and TME had as a wolfy tactic going after AM in a past game

Too tired to write a treatise on why that is sometimes a favored wolf move

Mostly was me, I think mkg might have participated a bit but can't remember exact involvement. Other people were already on AM's case for extremely weird play that game so we didn't have to do the entire push ourselves

Isn't that kind of weird of AM?

re: her voting, it's not weird in the sense that village AM likes to sit on my vote from D1 lately, but usually she frames it as a "reaction test" of some sort. I stand by what I said before about it being pretty lazy that she stayed there all day despite apparently not actually paying attention to my play/voting. but it's not outside of her village meta

Why is this statement from you a question?

question mark to indicate confusion

Not sure what you mean by this comment about enjoyment

I mean that I am someone who plays WW for fun rather than having a perfect win record - given that alley was actively playing and excited about the theme, and had very recently been misyeeted D1, whereas you basically hadn't played at all for the first 36 hours, yeeting her (especially so last second when she had said she would be afk) was kind of a dick move. I feel like samac tends to have similar game play motivations, which makes me think she truly felt that alley was a possible wolf. otherwise if she was a wolf just trying to shift the tie off herself she could've stayed on your vote instead (I think that's where she moved from mel? can't remember, need to make a vote tracker). Alternatively, samac is a way more ruthless wolf than I expected

@TelemarketingEnigma, Cray's catch-up reminded me, what info did you gain from the alley flip?

see above - if alley had flipped wolf, would've very solidly called samac village (and stagg and cray would get village points too). Less strongly village given alley's village flip, but i stand by my reasoning above. There's also a lot more interaction between alley and other players that we can look back at. on the other hand, cray's complete awolness made me feel like any flip wouldn't have helped all that much - not much interaction to review between her and other players. And if for some reason the wolves decided they wanted to go hard on a bus from the get go, she wouldn't have been a bad choice given inactivity.

i'm pretty sure I got caught bc I was defending AM super hard in RvB, not bc I was going after her

as above, can't remember exactly what role you played in our AM push, but I was more of the driver

 

[cubsrule4e]

Random stuff not to be taken too seriously

Is the pattern of dust lidocaine powder??
Is the first half of the write ups just descriptive of the players? Alley- cats and fit? Zenge- tinfoil treadmill?

The flip of village being bad guys is cool. Or will there be a reveal at the “trial” of an actual mastermind and everyone get off?

The tinfoil bit reminded me more of TME coming out of the gate, unless its specifically referring to one of the people that died. It was a longer write up, I need to go reread.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Im at about 3am now, Cray has devoted too much time to the tie discussion, hopefully she gets to the explanation posts soon.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Who said that was OK?

No one made a big deal of genny doing it because "genny loves ties and chaos."

 

[cubsrule4e]

Have more in depth reading to do and only up to pg 16, for now:

Vote TME

Was on the sketchier side D1 for me. Also want to look into Vis and Genny more. Vis because something felt off and Genny because I feel like I totally forgot she was playing.

Actually village reading Cubs. I suck at reading him, but some of his points seem solid to me and forgetting that Chaos wasn't playing doesn't seem like wolf Cubs. Going to go back and double check that, but fairly comfortable there right now. I've also got AM solidly in village.

I didnt forget. It was a simple reference to how he is always doing some kind of statistical analysis and thought it was kinda funny to incorporate that into the tie discussion. Clearly it didnt do me any favors though.

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

The tinfoil bit reminded me more of TME coming out of the gate, unless its specifically referring to one of the people that died. It was a longer write up, I need to go reread.

It was a specific reference to Dina's death in Lawwpy, Zenge killed her with a tinfoil treadmill

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

Spoiler: D1 Vote tracker

TME (1) - AM
Bob (1) - samac
VSLIMPBIZKIT (1) - Alley
Alley (1) - Cray
Samac (1) - Cubs
Bob(0) -
Alley (2) - Cray, Samac
Mkg (1) - Vis
VSLIMPBIZKIT (0) -
Zenge (1) - Alley
Cray (1) - Bob
Mkg (0) -
Samac (2) - Cubs, Vis
Cray (2) - Bob, Mel
Samac (1) - Cubs
Genny (1) - Mkg
TME (2) - AM, Vis
Samac (2) - Cubs, genny
Mkg (1) - TME
Alley (1) - Cray
[8:35] Mel (1) - samac
[8:39] Mel (2) - samac, zenge
[9:03] VSLIMPBIZKIT (1) - Stagg
[9:18] Zenge (0) -
AM (1) - Alley
[9:56] Mel (1) - Zenge
Cray (3) - Bob, Mel, Samac
[9:56] VSLIMPBIZKIT (0) -
Alley (2) - Cray, Stagg
[9:58] Cray (2) - Bob, Mel
Alley (3) - Cray, Stagg, Samac

some interesting points:
Mel was that last wagon to even make it on the board, very late in the cycle. about 10 minutes later Mkg started talking about yeeting AM (could be coincidence, could be intentional stoking of vote movement).
Never in any wagon: myself, mkg
never voted: VSLIMPBIZKIT

 

[cubsrule4e]

For now I will

unvote samac
vote Bob

Not village piling her by any means yet but shes a wide village read and trying to push there isnt going to be productive. TME is still near my top, but bob is starting to ping more. Aside from the one read list and then an ISO post of mkg it doesnt feel like he's pushing like normal. He says mkg TME and pleasy are just "in the background" for him, but then didnt address or try to push any of them directly. Then almost immediately came out with a village read on mkg after being pressed by AM, felt like he kind of thought he needed to take a stance immediately on the issue or risk AM coming after him. And he knows once AM is on him he's in trouble 😆

 

[kaydubs]

Day 2: Don't Look Too Long into the Abyss

cubs ()
Stagg (1) - AM
samac ()
Mel (1) - vetschoolsplz
mkg (1) - genny
TME (2) - Visc, Stagg
Bob (1) - cubs

6/12

Has yet to vote: @Crayola227 @samac @BobLoblaw78 @Melchizedek @mkg323 @TelemarketingEnigma

Vote closes at 10pm, TODAY, 11/14 (~7.75 hours)

 

[Crayola227]

I'm up. SDN maintenance now comes at 1:30 am PST which someone should ask them change for Daylight Savings. Messed up my roll. Gonna try for another 200 post catch up today.

 

[Crayola227]

How is that anything but a joke? You think a wolf would seriously say to a group of villagers, "Hey, it's a good time to kill you all. Keep the tie."

Yes

 

[samac]

yeet Vis
Do I have a good answer why? No
Does she just feel off? Yes.
Did I also work yesterday, played DnD today, and trying to get a house read for a dog? Also yes.

 

[Melchizedek]

Ed dunno feel torn like this could be village Visc reads

*squint*

That post was me talking TO visc about VARICELLA’s reads being hedgey.


ETA: (I’m running out of acronyms that start with VS, I’m just gonna go with V-something)

ETA2: (there is a non-zero chance I’m fixated on her solely because of how much fun I’m having with the nicknames. Who knows.)

 

[Crayola227]

So as long as Im consistent in promoting ties in the future, then it will be ok? Noted!

Frankly the difference, at least for me, is reading genny d1 fatigue. Very rarely does she say or do anything particularly AI D1, even joke about ties. We could make a point of rebuking her for 1/7 of her D1 posts being a joke or about ties, but it would be pointless. She'd probably either disengage or who knows.

You on the other hand, will engage. And here we are.

Also I've never seen her post joke stats.

 

[Crayola227]

Numbers is villains? Why are you suddenly taking statistics seriously? Also, why are you expecting these jokes to be good? They're coming from cubs, come on.

Is samac usually this humorless? I agree with her points but I usually react to jokes with WW is srs bzns and it's NAI for me.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Aside from the one read list and then an ISO post of mkg it doesnt feel like he's pushing like normal. He says mkg TME and pleasy are just "in the background" for him, but then didnt address or try to push any of them directly. Then almost immediately came out with a village read on mkg after being pressed by AM, felt like he kind of thought he needed to take a stance immediately on the issue or risk AM coming after him. And he knows once AM is on him he's in trouble 😆

This made me feel a little worse about bob, in very much a saying things to be here but not gonna put out any controversial opinions type of way
TME is feeling more village to me as the day goes on, I'm following logic pretty will in posts, but I need to go back and look at last game I played where TME was wolfing bc I think I also village read TME for the majority of that game.
I still feel ok about my mel vote, no one else is really jumping out to me as a more wolfy candidate

 

[Crayola227]

I’m willing to change my vote. I don’t know where to go, though. Do you have any inclinations?

Is samac ever this lost and looking to others to guide her vote like this?

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Is samac ever this lost and looking to others to guide her vote like this?

I think I've seen it before but I couldn't give you a specific example. I feel like samac is often this like.. colloquial and "lets ask the class shall we?"

 

[Crayola227]

I don't really have any strong wolf reads. Stagg, Bob, mkg, pleasy are who I'm thinking about today.

I'm interested to hear more about your Cray read, especially since Zenge put her as top village read. I have a hard time with her, she's like the one person who can pocket me in PMs. So any insight is appreciated.

If it makes you feel better I count that game as one big reason I hate PMs and generally think they are anti-village. So your suffering made what I consider a positive impact on future games.

 

[Crayola227]

Cubs seemed village with really bad 4 way tie event.

I’m not sure she is supposed to vote herself

Explain charily. Really. I’m not sure I follow

I agree. This sounds like my kids trying to brush off something they truly meant as a joke.

Again. Cubs sounded village until 4 way tie. This type of defense is the second thing that doesn’t sound right

Chaos isn’t here and it didn’t sound like a joke. Moving on.

Lol. I haven’t got any money yet, so you get what you pay for!

Reminds me, I need to go back and check all carys posts

I originally read this as vet wine n gine! Lol

Forgot what I had for this. Which is sad since it was most recent. I find it weird that cray is getting village read with minimal posts. And recent history of wolves lurking. Maybe bc wolfcray wouldn’t lurk but that is just enough to be neutral.

I was totally wigged by the village reads on me, but then Zenge flipped village. And I can understand if samac is partly trusting the read from a flipped villager. You can argue he's wrong but not that he was lying

 

[Crayola227]

Someone made the point that wolfcubs wouldn’t openly do the 4 way tie. I expect it would be equally poor play to NK the guy wolf reading you.

I could see Wolf Cubs doing all of that. TWTBW WIFOM I've seen him use before. Why do you think he gets so much sus and so little trust? Very little you can put past him.

But players like Cubs, genny, Mel, are not my preferred early game votes because they're often very sketch and hard to read, but can be easy misyeets and I don't like to lose them early if they're village.

 

[samac]

Is samac ever this lost and looking to others to guide her vote like this?

Abso****inglutely.

I was totally wigged by the village reads on me, but then Zenge flipped village. And I can understand if samac is partly trusting the read from a flipped villager. You can argue he's wrong but not that he was lying

You don’t even know what you did but you said something that screamed village. I think Zenge and I both caught it.

 

[Crayola227]

I guess it depends upon the certainty that the mods would actually kill all 4. It seems most people are convinced they would??

Lol it is a distinct possibility one should NOT put past this mod team

 

[Stagg737]

This made me feel a little worse about bob, in very much a saying things to be here but not gonna put out any controversial opinions type of way
TME is feeling more village to me as the day goes on, I'm following logic pretty will in posts, but I need to go back and look at last game I played where TME was wolfing bc I think I also village read TME for the majority of that game.
I still feel ok about my mel vote, no one else is really jumping out to me as a more wolfy candidate

This made me feel a little worse about you. Whose your top 3 wolf picks overall right now?

 

[Crayola227]

That post was after night close so he wouldn’t have know that.

Aw this makes sense.

And it's totally happened to me this way (I get NKd by someone before I end up wolfreading them on thread). I think it can be more than coincidence.

 

[Crayola227]

@Crayola227 are you okay?

Oh yeah I forgot I got my TDAP booster (a 3rd trimester thing to do) Friday, which might explain why I felt so tired and hot yesterday


I feel more like myself today

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

This made me feel a little worse about you. Whose your top 3 wolf picks overall right now?

mel>you>a tie between all of my neutrals, which are currently AM, bob, cubs and genny. everyone else is various levels of village leaning

 

[Stagg737]

mel>you>a tie between all of my neutrals, which are currently AM, bob, cubs and genny. everyone else is various levels of village leaning

Why me?

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

You don’t even know what you did but you said something that screamed village. I think Zenge and I both caught it.

I think i might know which post you're referring to. But I would advise caution if it's that post as it's a) a comment cray has made in a lot of recent games and b) she was not the first person to suggest something like that on thread

 

[Crayola227]

Visc-seems to be hunting. And maybe some tests, just guessing
MKG- sounds most village. Just would like more content to feel even better. Not sure why ppl seem to have lower
Genny- seems like village Genny
Mel- hard to read but seems to be hunting and testing as well. Would be higher but too dang wolfy. Will inch his way down if it doesn’t get better
Pleasy and TME- neither hasn’t stuck out to me. Probably more bc I can’t ever keep all players in my head. Maybe they should be lower bc flying under radar. At least mine
AM- diff read but nothing stands out that I look for as wolfAM
Samac- up and down. Don’t know what to think. All over the place. Throw in last day vote and maybe lower
Cubs- almost voted him out the gate D2. But now I’m wavering bc something feels wrong if he is wolfing.
Cray- just landed. And hasn’t really done anything to climb out of POE and lurkers yet. Will have to update this
Stagg- I guess this is norm for stagg? But I vowed to push these until trend has reversed. Seems to be comfortable with level of lurking.

Frowny face.

You feel like you have a feel for wolf AM vs village AM? Do share your wisdom.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Why me?

I didn't like your votes on the first day lacking any logic at the time and then shakey logic later. for example, your logic against me was a lack of contribution when you had barely been on the thread yourself
and since then, I'm just not seeing arguments that have much like
scrutiny behind them imo
its felt a little like you're pointing out things that are easy to, instead of looking harder for wolves

 

[cubsrule4e]

Is samac usually this humorless? I agree with her points but I usually react to jokes with WW is srs bzns and it's NAI for me.

Soooooo you think I WAS joking? Or not? Because it seems like youre saying I wasnt, and then say samac has no sense of humor regarding the same topic you dont think is a joke.

 

[Crayola227]

I can’t right now. Too much up and down for multiple people to make sense of it

What do you mean by up and down?

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

****** about to drive, then do my gig. I'll probably keep upp on the thread sparsely but I won't be able to do any heavy lifting until about 6 my time*******

 

[Crayola227]

How are you reading Bob and Mel?

Wolfy but not quite ready to vote there yet, I think. Not sure it's just my baseline level of sus for them or something from this particular game yet

 

[Crayola227]

Have more in depth reading to do and only up to pg 16, for now:

Vote TME

Was on the sketchier side D1 for me. Also want to look into Vis and Genny more. Vis because something felt off and Genny because I feel like I totally forgot she was playing.

Actually village reading Cubs. I suck at reading him, but some of his points seem solid to me and forgetting that Chaos wasn't playing doesn't seem like wolf Cubs. Going to go back and double check that, but fairly comfortable there right now. I've also got AM solidly in village.

He didn't indicate he forgot Chaos was playing, just that it didn't matter for his joke

 

[Melchizedek]

Cubs
Genny, Visc, AM
TME, mkg
Stagg, VLCPLAYER - neutral
Cray
Samac, Bob


Vote Samac

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

yeet mkg

for previously mentioned reasons. Additional notes: a level of "memeing" that is reminiscent of RvB, and the AM vote push seems consistent with some of the ideas i remember discussing in wolfchat when there was end of cycle panic (mkg tends towards wanting big moves like fake claims and waffles). If mkg is indeed wolf, I think it's possible that the panic could have been due to Mel becoming a viable wagon.

 

[Crayola227]

Spoiler: D1 Vote tracker

TME (1) - AM
Bob (1) - samac
VSLIMPBIZKIT (1) - Alley
Alley (1) - Cray
Samac (1) - Cubs
Bob(0) -
Alley (2) - Cray, Samac
Mkg (1) - Vis
VSLIMPBIZKIT (0) -
Zenge (1) - Alley
Cray (1) - Bob
Mkg (0) -
Samac (2) - Cubs, Vis
Cray (2) - Bob, Mel
Samac (1) - Cubs
Genny (1) - Mkg
TME (2) - AM, Vis
Samac (2) - Cubs, genny
Mkg (1) - TME
Alley (1) - Cray
[8:35] Mel (1) - samac
[8:39] Mel (2) - samac, zenge
[9:03] VSLIMPBIZKIT (1) - Stagg
[9:18] Zenge (0) -
AM (1) - Alley
[9:56] Mel (1) - Zenge
Cray (3) - Bob, Mel, Samac
[9:56] VSLIMPBIZKIT (0) -
Alley (2) - Cray, Stagg
[9:58] Cray (2) - Bob, Mel
Alley (3) - Cray, Stagg, Samac

some interesting points:
Mel was that last wagon to even make it on the board, very late in the cycle. about 10 minutes later Mkg started talking about yeeting AM (could be coincidence, could be intentional stoking of vote movement).
Never in any wagon: myself, mkg
never voted: VSLIMPBIZKIT

I feel the mkg Mel connection and it worries me

 

[Crayola227]

For now I will

unvote samac
vote Bob

Not village piling her by any means yet but shes a wide village read and trying to push there isnt going to be productive. TME is still near my top, but bob is starting to ping more. Aside from the one read list and then an ISO post of mkg it doesnt feel like he's pushing like normal. He says mkg TME and pleasy are just "in the background" for him, but then didnt address or try to push any of them directly. Then almost immediately came out with a village read on mkg after being pressed by AM, felt like he kind of thought he needed to take a stance immediately on the issue or risk AM coming after him. And he knows once AM is on him he's in trouble

Last few posts by Cubs making me feel like voting him today even less.

I had Cubs as wolfy but he may climb out of it. The "joking" is hard to take as AI in any case. It's anti-village and I wouldn't put it past wolf Cubs, but also could see it from village Cubs.

I wish the jokey players wouldn't hurt me this way lol.

 

[Crayola227]

*squint*

That post was me talking TO visc about VARICELLA’s reads being hedgey.


ETA: (I’m running out of acronyms that start with VS, I’m just gonna go with V-something)

ETA2: (there is a non-zero chance I’m fixated on her solely because of how much fun I’m having with the nicknames. Who knows.)

I keep getting Visc and Vetschools mixed up as I read, I'm sorry to admit

 

[Crayola227]

This made me feel a little worse about bob, in very much a saying things to be here but not gonna put out any controversial opinions type of way
TME is feeling more village to me as the day goes on, I'm following logic pretty will in posts, but I need to go back and look at last game I played where TME was wolfing bc I think I also village read TME for the majority of that game.
I still feel ok about my mel vote, no one else is really jumping out to me as a more wolfy candidate

I get and feel the sus on Bob, but not really on TME. She's often good at getting village read tho

 

[mkg323]

yeet mkg

for previously mentioned reasons. Additional notes: a level of "memeing" that is reminiscent of RvB, and the AM vote push seems consistent with some of the ideas i remember discussing in wolfchat when there was end of cycle panic (mkg tends towards wanting big moves like fake claims and waffles). If mkg is indeed wolf, I think it's possible that the panic could have been due to Mel becoming a viable wagon.

yall are giving me way too much credit I'm not that smart. Maybe I missed it, I'm still catching up, but who else is in your POE besides me? I love the attention but ya know, there are other people here

 

[Crayola227]

Soooooo you think I WAS joking? Or not? Because it seems like youre saying I wasnt, and then say samac has no sense of humor regarding the same topic you dont think is a joke.

I didn't think you were, but I may be coming around to it being a possibility. And so less AI in that case.

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

yall are giving me way too much credit I'm not that smart. Maybe I missed it, I'm still catching up, but who else is in your POE besides me? I love the attention but ya know, there are other people here

currently something like this

Samac
Please
AM
Genny
Cray

Cubs
Bob
Vis
Stagg

Mel
Mkg

 

[kaydubs]

although we are still in day cycle, you are strongly encouraged to think of and submit night actions. ​