Smash Bros WW Game Thread

[MOOSEygoosey]

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Damn. You're gonna hurt @cdoconn's feelings. 🙁

Lynch MOOSE

May I ask why?

 

[SkiOtter]

Damn. You're gonna hurt @cdoconn's feelings. 🙁

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Sucks for you @cdoconn
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[SARdoghandler]

Lynch AM

I just can't shake feels. I have trouble reading AM because her posts always seem antagonizing to me and that clouds my ability to properly judge her. However, I have a niggling feeling that I'm reading her as more antagonizing than usual as well as going off on tangents that don't seem to actually have much relevance on gameplay. Could be reading it wrong, but something is just rubbing me the wrong way about AM's play right now

 

[DVMDream]

Hey, I was sketched by the role claim because when I used that exact same claim in the past, people jumped all over me. And keep reading -- maybe I had a reason to think a lynch would be more expedient than spending abilities later on trying to figure it out.

I see, but don't agree. Would've been better to confirm that role as it was very simple to confirm and saved that other ability for someone, that per you own words, had a "power role", though I get there is no guarantee in that.

I don't mind being "sketched" by the role it was the lack of using any deductive reasoning to verifying the role that is bizarre.

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

Lynch AM

I just can't shake feels. I have trouble reading AM because her posts always seem antagonizing to me and that clouds my ability to properly judge her. However, I have a niggling feeling that I'm reading her as more antagonizing than usual as well as going off on tangents that don't seem to actually have much relevance on gameplay. Could be reading it wrong, but something is just rubbing me the wrong way about AM's play right now

I could back this. Something just has seemed off to me too but I can't place it.

I will support a RLKB, WZ, or AM lynch today.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I could back this. Something just has seemed off to me too but I can't place it.

I will support a RLKB, WZ, or AM lynch today.

You literally distrust me every game.

 

[PippyPony]

I see, but don't agree. Would've been better to confirm that role as it was very simple to confirm and saved that other ability for someone, that per you own words, had a "power role", though I get there is no guarantee in that.

I don't mind being "sketched" by the role it was the lack of using any deductive reasoning to verifying the role that is bizarre.

Well, I also disagree that holding a rez to wait for a power role is a good idea. Better to use it early so it gets used to boost numbers.

 

[DVMDream]

She's essentially vanilla now though.

I guess, but what wolf would attack her?

Double Huh?

 

[DVMDream]

She wouldn't be able to unless she's vanilla.

Ah, nevermind. But that doesn't mean she is vanilla, so still confused by the first assumption that she is vanilla.

 

[DVMDream]

Well, I still stand by my original statement of her being essentially vanilla.

No, no it really doesn't.

 

[PippyPony]

I don't mind being "sketched" by the role it was the lack of using any deductive reasoning to verifying the role that is bizarre.

And I think it's bizarre that a bunch of you have suddenly decided that lynching can't be used for info gathering as well as role verification, so there we are. lol

 

[Animal Midwife]

No, no it really doesn't.

Except is does.

 

[DVMDream]

Skilled players can keep their meta steady regardless of affiliation.

I don't know how to do this. Can you teach me?

 

[WildZoo]

but with dubz's sassiness 😛

Oh my. DVMD's sass was minted before I even knew what WW was.

Maybe this is what you're referring to, but doesn't it depend on order of operations that the mods use? Like if a vig submitted Coop as their kill attempt before wolves submitted theirs, etc.

Meh, my point still stands that I don't think it's wise to be assuming last night was a no kill night.

I don't think anyone was assuming anything.
Multiple options were brought up, a lot of people liked the idea that coop attacked someone and had it backfire because it explains why there isn't a dead villager. Vig kill processed before wolf kill is possible but most of the time actions of the same type are processed simultaneously. Hell, the wolf target being protected is a possibility too. Or coop being blocked if she was the one doing the attacking. Etc etc.

And I really don't remember anyone saying that last night was a straight no kill night with no attempted wolf kill

 

[DVMDream]

Well, I also disagree that holding a rez to wait for a power role is a good idea. Better to use it early so it gets used to boost numbers.

That was my "though I get there is no guarantee" bit in my post. 😉

 

[WildZoo]

May I ask why?

I predict collusion with AM 😉

 

[DVMDream]

And I think it's bizarre that a bunch of you have suddenly decided that lynching can't be used for info gathering as well as role verification, so there we are. lol

Yeah, it is, but that was a fairly easily verifable role and there were others that were suspicious. Why not get double the info instead of one info?

 

[DVMDream]

Except is does.

Vanilla is NO abilities. At all.

We don't know if she is vanilla or not. And wolves may or may not decide at some point to test that.... they have done crazier things.

So, no, I don't agree with stating she is "basically vanilla". There is also the possibility of being rezzed as a wolf (for the love of all that is holy don't start panicking about this people) but if that is the case, her ability could be different or gone vanilla in order for village to be able to use roles on her.

Again, you don't know so stating she is "essentially vanilla" really isn't accurate.

 

[MOOSEygoosey]

I predict collusion with AM 😉

Ughhhh, of course 😛

 

[Animal Midwife]

Vanilla is NO abilities. At all.

We don't know if she is vanilla or not. And wolves may or may not decide at some point to test that.... they have done crazier things.

So, no, I don't agree with stating she is "basically vanilla". There is also the possibility of being rezzed as a wolf (for the love of all that is holy don't start panicking about this people) but if that is the case, her ability could be different or gone vanilla in order for village to be able to use roles on her.

Again, you don't know so stating she is "essentially vanilla" really isn't accurate.

I said essentially not that she is.

The scenarios I see are her retaining everything and not being attacked, retaining nothing, or being a wolf. All of which she can't use the ability to help the village.

 

[WildZoo]

Ughhhh, of course 😛

Though I don't think AM is voting for you today. Not sure how she feels about you now.

 

[Glammyre]

That is a *lot* of posts to read through 🙁

@StayingPositive2017, what time did you see bryndi on yesterday? I PM'd her and heard back, and am comparing stories.

 

[Animal Midwife]

For real though @CoffeeQuestionMark, if you get too unrealistic in reads, I will dunk you again.

 

[DVMDream]

Well NOW I'm concerned because it has been two hours since the "give me a moment" statement.

Lynch RedBean

Really? Really? The time thing again?

I am only repeating this once IF ANYONE USES YOU WEREN'T BACK BY THE TIME I EXPECT!! RAWR!!! I am going to lynch them. This is one of the biggest reasons I left WW to start with. I can't stand this. As well as they "well I know you were online" so the **** what? I am often on SDN but not paying attention to or posting in ww either because I only have a few minutes or I just don't want to.

 

[Stagg737]

This is irritating, now wolves have an excuse for role claim overlap. The tasting could be seering of any variety, why did you go with role copy?

I think it's logical based on the game. Only so many characters can taste if the mods are going off of actual Smash abilities. Kirby and Yoshi are just the obvious choices imo.

Any thoughts on more active players?

I've only read part way through page 10, so I've got a ton to catch up on. I gave my thoughts earlier, so not much new since then. PBC and Cray were and still are near top of my list. JBoo and Dubz are also kind of off to me.

Like I said last game though, I don't like players that are dead weight or weak attempts to not seem like dead weight, which is why my vote is sitting with elf for now. May very well change my vote when I get caught up tonight, but just got a new admission, so may be closer to lynch than I'd like.

 

[PippyPony]

I said essentially not that she is.

The scenarios I see are her retaining everything and not being attacked, retaining nothing, or being a wolf. All of which she can't use the ability to help the village.

Can someone else explain to me how having an alive player who is less likely to get attacked and -- if attacked, may be able to avoid being killed -- is not helpful to the village? Because I am still confused here.

Yeah, it is, but that was a fairly easily verifable role and there were others that were suspicious. Why not get double the info instead of one info?

I dont know, because I'm stubborn sometimes and didn't really think of it like that.

 

[DVMDream]

You’re lynching me solely based on me not being glued to my computer all day? Okay, but that seems a bit hasty.

I’ve been dealing with my sick cat all day, who I was worried could be potentially be blocked. I checked in when I had a moment to read things over then I just made the 2 hour drive back home to try and beat some bad weather. Sorry, life happened.

I am home now and will be in checking periodically

And addressing @DVMDream ’s concerns: I was talking about your posts outside of WW, which are usually lengthy and shows your insight. Example: see the Banfield debt forgiveness thread. This was clarified when someone (AM I think it was?) asked me shortly after if I had ever played with you.

Kara has been giving me her insight in the playing styles of other people. She’s explained that some are chattier, some are quieter, some are more passive and some dominate the discussion. As a noob I’m figuring out it can be a learning curve to read some people I haven’t had much interaction with before. And I’m also figuring out that game personalities can be different from how someone is outside of the game.

Lynch Coffee
Your hastiness to lynch me feels like an excuse to make me an easy target. And I’m confused by your weird comment about tasting something.

I saw that reasoning about my posting. Remember, as someone told you, WW posting and posting outside of WW can be different. So if you have time you can read some games I have played, or talk with Kara about my typical play or a number of the people currently playing this game. I will not explain my typical play because that isn't how WW works. 🙂

 

[DVMDream]

Skimble said she was busy and hopped on the Jboo train. The whole thing she posted seemed a bit flaky idk it doesn't sway me either way especially with her being busy.
I've never played with DVMD so I don't know her meta and I'm trying to gauge her. She kinda has a meta between cray's (with the posting style) but with dubz's sassiness 😛 . I'm leaning village towards her but, again, I've never played with her so I'm not going to make any choices on her today.
SAR didn't really post anything of value today, just asked/answered a couple of questions. I will point out what AM quoted earlier when SAR pointed out Coop earlier and said that Coop calling her out for her noob vote was weird to her. So, she didn't exactly call Coop out but threw some stuff at her and then today said she wasn't suspicious of anybody. I find that a bit weird and it could be some wolves throwing sketch on other wolves. So SAR is slightly more sketch in my book.
For now, I'm comfortable with my Jboo vote.

Get this right. I was around before Cray, therefore, Cray is more posting similar to me, not the other way around. 😉 😛

 

[DVMDream]

Read the context.

Still haven't found the context and half way through page 12.

 

[WildZoo]

Can someone else explain to me how having an alive player who is less likely to get attacked and -- if attacked, may be able to avoid being killed -- is not helpful to the village? Because I am still confused here.

I think what she's saying is wolves probably aren't going to attack her either way so it doesn't matter if she did come back with the ability, it isn't useful in the way it would have been before (but it lost that usefulness the minute she revealed anyway). Wolves not attacking her just means they'll attack someone else who will (probably) definitely die, and they're more likely to hit an important PR.

Add that onto the fact that rezzes get heat anyway, she'll probably just end up lynched again.

Numbers are numbers though so I ain't mad about her being rezzed.

ETA: possibility of affiliation change, of course, complicates everything

ETA2: I did momentarily get an echo-y feeling of Mel's "Let's lynch her to be sure, she'll be rezzed anyway!" from last game though, and for obvious reasons...me no likey. Agree with what DVMD said somewhere about preferring to get double the info.

 

[RedLauren]

Wasn't hastiness
I was reacting to what you said, about just needing a moment to post, and now it has taken 4 hours to follow through (though you still haven't). Would suggest in the future to not say anything along those lines if you're not going to be around.

Also, would suggest forming a better case against me than just what my night results are. Night results are night results.

So where are the rest of the reads you promised? Certainly this wasn't Kara's idea 😵

So Kara just explained to me what exactly "reads" are. When I said "give me a moment" I meant it as in give me a moment to read and catch up and also to see if there's anything Kara specifically asked me to say (the comment to Wildzoo). I didn't realize I "promised reads". Again, I'm learning. It's a process.

 

[MOOSEygoosey]

Get this right. I was around before Cray, therefore, Cray is more posting similar to me, not the other way around. 😉 😛

Hahaha sorry, just trying to associate your style with the ones I'm familiar with. Lol, so Dubz got her sassiness from you and Cray got her postiness from you 🙂

 

[DVMDream]

There always is and was explained between my back-and-forth with her and bleeds into day.

Definitely did not bleed into Day.

Further explanation now definitely wanted.

 

[DVMDream]

Can someone else explain to me how having an alive player who is less likely to get attacked and -- if attacked, may be able to avoid being killed -- is not helpful to the village? Because I am still confused here.

This was the point I was trying to make above.

 

[DVMDream]

I think what she's saying is wolves probably aren't going to attack her either way so it doesn't matter if she did come back with the ability, it isn't useful in the way it would have been before (but it lost that usefulness the minute she revealed anyway). Wolves not attacking her just means they'll attack someone else who will (probably) definitely die, and they're more likely to hit an important PR.

Add that onto the fact that rezzes get heat anyway, she'll probably just end up lynched again.

Numbers are numbers though so I ain't mad about her being rezzed.

ETA: possibility of affiliation change, of course, complicates everything

Meh, I bet she sticks around long enough (if she wasn't converted) and wolves may chance their luck on her. But maybe I am wrong too. Only time will tell.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Definitely did not bleed into Day.

Further explanation now definitely wanted.

What part do you want explained? I already stated at the time why I was voting there/

 

[PippyPony]

I think what she's saying is wolves probably aren't going to attack her either way so it doesn't matter if she did come back with the ability, it isn't useful in the way it would have been before (but it lost that usefulness the minute she revealed anyway).

Bingo.

And yeah, if wolves now attack other people, then newsflash: they were going to attack other people anyways. It's like, kinda how the game works lol

 

[DVMDream]

I want an explanation from @Animal Midwife on the Moose vote now, since it most definitely wasn't mentioned by her at all today and was not explained during lynch yesterday.

My lynch vote will depend on that response.

 

[genny]

Looking for explanation on this vote.

I thought she seemed wolfy. I have changed my mind.

 

[DVMDream]

What part do you want explained? I already stated at the time why I was voting there/

No, you didn't, other than "two hours have passed since that unlynch".

 

[RedLauren]

Why is her absence more suspicious than anyone else's? Heck I was absent too, why wasn't it suspicious? Why moose?

Per Kara earlier today: "I don't like how our position on moose was twisted. It wasn't just her being quiet but how she was posting and that she gave reads when being pushed."

 

[WildZoo]

Meh, I bet she sticks around long enough (if she wasn't converted) and wolves may chance their luck on her. But maybe I am wrong too. Only time will tell.

Depends on many many factors. My opinion, it stopped mattering the moment she revealed her role. If there was a point where she became "essentially vanilla" it was then. Only useful bit left was wolves probably took the opportunity to push her lynch because they knew they couldn't kill her.

 

[DVMDream]

Per Kara earlier today: "I don't like how our position on moose was twisted. It wasn't just her being quiet but how she was posting and that she gave reads when being pushed."

Can I get an example of "how she was posting" that was suspicious to RedKara?

 

[kaydubs]

DAY 2 LYNCH TALLY
Elfabeth (1) - Stagg
jboo (3) - Moose, PBC, Skimble
Fern/BBC (2) - AM, Pippy
PBC (1) - WZ
WZ (1) - jboo
bryndy (2) - Paws, nyan
RL-KB (1) - Coffee
Moose (1) - Melby
Coffee (1) - RL-KB
AM (1) - SAR

14/26
Deadline in ~3 hours (10pm Eastern/9pm Central)

 

[Animal Midwife]

No, you didn't, other than "two hours have passed since that unlynch".

Yesterday:

It wasn't you being gone, but rather, the amount of time and reasoning between your unlynch and current lynch.

Today:

Did your SAR feels decrease from yesterday?

 

[MOOSEygoosey]

Per Kara earlier today: "I don't like how our position on moose was twisted. It wasn't just her being quiet but how she was posting and that she gave reads when being pushed."

I always give reads when asked! I try to be as honest as possible because I have nothing to hide!

 

[Animal Midwife]

@nyanko Is Fern caught up yet?

 

[PippyPony]

Only useful bit left was wolves probably took the opportunity to push her lynch because they knew they couldn't kill her.

And see, I also kinda disagree with this. I feel like wolves would have stayed the **** away from looking like they were actively pushing her lynch for exactly that reason. Because they would know she wasn't BSing, therefore would know how it would look in retrospect. Would they want the lynch to happen? Yeah, for sure, if they were thinking that far ahead. But I doubt anyone would be super duper loud about it.

 

[Animal Midwife]

And see, I also kinda disagree with this. I feel like wolves would have stayed the **** away from looking like they were actively pushing her lynch for exactly that reason. Because they would know she wasn't BSing, therefore would know how it would look in retrospect. Would they want the lynch to happen? Yeah, for sure, if they were thinking that far ahead. But I doubt anyone would be super duper loud about it.

Coop sure was active.

 

[MOOSEygoosey]

Per Kara earlier today: "I don't like how our position on moose was twisted. It wasn't just her being quiet but how she was posting and that she gave reads when being pushed."

I'd also like to point out that people get called for avoiding answering probes as well as for answering them. It's a lose lose. However, if people don't answer my probes, they go on my sketch list.