Supernatural: Villains WW Game Thread

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I’m bad at describing tone but some of the posts she chose to reply to seemed odd, and some of her comments seemed to be from a very different perspective than me. Like the comment about thinking zenge wanted us to question his PR, honestly that’s what I think he wanted the WOLVES to think, so it seemed odd to me to bring it up
Oh, for mercy's sake, why on earth would I not just discuss that in wolf chat with the other wolves then. Is that not the clear place to do so? How is it not obvious that if I bring it up here-- in direct discussion with someone else, at that, over the reliability of the post-- then I'm trying to collaborate? What would be the point of thinly-veiled, coded discussions on the game thread if anyone was a wolf when an open, productive discussion room exists for them?

What are your other reasons for finding me wolfy?
 
I feel this except for the writeup bit. "If you are familiar with the show, don't be surprised if things seem...strange. Writeups may or may not reflect actual game events."
I have a tinfoil-ish theory regarding the flips. Mainly with the cannibal mod posts earlier but not sure how it’s going to play out.
 
I have a tinfoil-ish theory regarding the flips. Mainly with the cannibal mod posts earlier but not sure how it’s going to play out.
I'm just mad that someone will die and I'll be hidden in suspense until the end of the game. and i dont like secrets
 

The first mechanic is the "cannibal" modifier. There are certain roles in the game that are able to perform "cannibal" or hidden kills. When these roles kill someone, they stash the body, so that the dead player's role and alignment are only revealed privately to the killer, and are not revealed on thread.
roleS... plural? we have multiple flesh eaters among us? but like, do we have multiple wolves and multiple 3Ps? assuming there's more than 1 wolf and not just 1 wolf left to themself? or the wolves are the cannibals? sorry just typing aloud here, not actually asking for answers.
 
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Point 1 is saying that because it’s unlikely I would ever do this as a seer, wolves won’t risk killing me. I could be a bomb for all they know. It’s all WIFOM.

It’s also saying, to Pleasy’s question, that wolves cannot claim seer as a cover role which would normally cause players to back off of a wagon very abruptly.

But in general, yes, I meant for it to be a mic drop moment and never talk about it again.
But... you can't expect the rest of us not to discuss it. The wolves would let you live if we found you wolfy, or might just decide to kill you if we agree that you are indeed the seer. I don't see why they wouldn't, even if it's a bluff. You'll still be one villager down.
 
Oh, for mercy's sake, why on earth would I not just discuss that in wolf chat with the other wolves then. Is that not the clear place to do so? How is it not obvious that if I bring it up here-- in direct discussion with someone else, at that, over the reliability of the post-- then I'm trying to collaborate? What would be the point of thinly-veiled, coded discussions on the game thread if anyone was a wolf when an open, productive discussion room exists for them?
Why would a wolf NOT want to appear to be trying to collaborate?? I fail to see how that would clear you? And it’s not that the comment was overtly wolfy, but to me it makes more sense to be concerned over whether or not zenge is actually a seer from a wolf perspective than it does from a village one
What are your other reasons for finding me wolfy?
It’s day 1, do I need a laundry list of reasons? Honestly your response to my vote has only made me more confident in it
 
Samac also has tin foil about the cannibalism and I'm just sitting here waiting on y'all to spill the beans lol
My only thought on it, is that it's probably not a wolf role. Cause the role of the deceased is revealed to the killer. And wolves know who's a villager and who's a wolf, and I guess they know whether they are the cannibals as well.
 
@kdswg You salt yeeted me last game for a reason that was quite bizarre, and I'm your first vote here for similar reasons. In neither game was I or am I a wolf. Done discussing with you! I'm sure our next game will start with you voting me... Again!
 
I'm just mad that someone will die and I'll be hidden in suspense until the end of the game. and i dont like secrets
Yeah it reminds me of a game that I think FtF had where the flips didn’t reveal the roles. But the flips at least included their alignment I thought
 
@kdswg You salt yeeted me last game for a reason that was quite bizarre, and I'm your first vote here for similar reasons. In neither game was I or am I a wolf. Done discussing with you! I'm sure our next game will start with you voting me... Again!
Do I still need to defend my joke salt-yeet??? Why is it so bizarre for me to be jokingly salty when you left a flaming arrow pointing towards me by saying you were going to investigate me? It doesn’t even matter bc, again, it was a joke, I was never gunning for you.

I’m sorry if it seems like I constantly target you D1 (I thought we played together in another game since StardeWW but I guess not), but this is the first time I’ve genuinely read you as wolfy. Based on my track record I’m probably wrong, but I’m trying to not ride coattails so much this game so I threw out a vote
 
Do I still need to defend my joke salt-yeet??? Why is it so bizarre for me to be jokingly salty when you left a flaming arrow pointing towards me by saying you were going to investigate me? It doesn’t even matter bc, again, it was a joke, I was never gunning for you.

I’m sorry if it seems like I constantly target you D1 (I thought we played together in another game since StardeWW but I guess not), but this is the first time I’ve genuinely read you as wolfy. Based on my track record I’m probably wrong, but I’m trying to not ride coattails so much this game so I threw out a vote
I completely understand being frustrated, but you’re not doing anything wrong, so don’t feel bad! My wolfy pings are frequently incorrect. Don’t feel bad for trusting your gut and pointing out something that seemed off to you. It’s really good to question and push your own wolf reads instead of “riding coattails” or sheeping other people. So don’t feel bad for stating your opinion based on Stoat’s actions and voting in a logical way.
 
A quick note about WW theory and how I will play this game:
Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else's time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.

I've reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO (Game Theory Optimal) play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread.

I am hard-claiming, and I will never be rescinding. I am the Seer. When it becomes prudent I will provide my peeks.

Benefits:
1. I will survive tonight: I do not believe the wolves are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the seer. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the seer cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were.

2. I'm lock clear: All of you already know I'm lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a wolf. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to wolf in that I've ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a wolf, by open-claiming on thread open, when all I have to do is provide like a C-level wolf game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally know that I have a billion other options as a wolf, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS (Fancy Play Syndrome) exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I know that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a wolf play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not **** up and yeet me. Makes my life super awesome.

3. There are only 11 players you need to try to read, rather than 12. I have already provided a "free" peek of me in a game with a mere 12 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.

Conclusion:
The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the seer, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion:
It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns. It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I'm "neutral" or "wolfy." That is legitimately stupid, and I won't entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a wolf is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV (Expected Value) gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They're universes apart. That means I wouldn't DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, wolf-me also wouldn't BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of doing this as a wolf is COMPLETELY DWARFED by my baseline wolf EV anyway. Anything that complicates my wolfing life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my wolfing life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation wolfing lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.

Sucks for the wolves when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect.

Get #rekt.

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I’m still reading this post and I’m just baffled.
 
The tone of that post just seems so weird and un-Zenge-like.
When has he ever referred to seering targets as a “peek??”
 
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Yeet Zenge


I want to know more about why he posted that copypasta and what his purpose was besides a big distraction play or “for the meme” kind of thing

I would also like to know if @Animal Midwife had seen that copy pasta before since she’s frequented MU a lot.
 
The tone of that post just seems so weird and un-Zenge-like.
When has he ever referred to seering targets as a “peek??”
I mean pretty much since I first read this phrase. It just hasn’t come up since. But I intend to use the phrase peeks more regularly.
 
I want to know more about why he posted that copypasta and what his purpose was besides a big distraction play
Yes, it’s a copypasta. If you google phrases of it you’ll see it’s been posted on pretty much every forum WW site on the interwebs. Never SDN tho. It was open real estate.

I’ve been holding that copypasta for months, a quarter of a year, waiting for the right opportunity to post it. Now seemed like the best opportunity.

I wouldn’t really say it was a distraction. Peoples reactions have been very valuable for information.

or “for the meme” kind of thing
Also yes
 
This tallying mod will be out in the field all week like she is every week so will do my best to stay up on tallies. Will be sticking to my boundary of “stops posting tallies 10 minute prior to close cause you waffle chokers never learn.”
 
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It’s kind of a tone thing, but also her immediate jump to read zenge as 3p after the opening feels weird to me
Did you read it as particularly wolfy? Or village?
 
Yeah I would be annoyed because my post was misconstrued, but you went from 0 to 1000 in 2 posts and it seemed like a big reaction for 1 yeet vote
It actually made me feel better about stoat with that reaction, she tends to be expressive.
She had seemed kind of subdued, she outposted dubz and i together (I subbed for dubz) last game.
 
I won't contradict you, cause you included alley in that too, and I second what alley said. She said it more eloquently than me, but I'm not just gonna sit and accept that Zenge is the seer just because he said so.

I agree that it's a bold move for a wolf. My initial reaction was that I'll feel better about him once he actually seers a wolf (cause it'll be very easy for a wolf to be seering villagers). I've seen DubZ claim seer in StardeWW so I don't think his post should be the rule by which we all play.

However, after the initial conversation with you, I had the thought that it might indeed have been mechanically required for him to role reveal as the first post in the thread. From what I've heard from other veterans, Zenge always tries to be 1st but it seems unlikely that he'd be first and write an essay at the same time. Which makes me feel better about him. His subsequent engagement on the thread has me feeling better about him, so I'm definitely not stuck on him being a wolf.
I would be shocked if had a role that he had to throw down seer on thread in the first post, but strange things happen sometimes I guess.
 
Unyeet cubs
Yeet Zenge


I want to know more about why he posted that copypasta and what his purpose was besides a big distraction play or “for the meme” kind of thing

I would also like to know if @Animal Midwife had seen that copy pasta before since she’s frequented MU a lot.
Yes, I've seen it before. Do you think posting it is AI?
 
roleS... plural? we have multiple flesh eaters among us? but like, do we have multiple wolves and multiple 3Ps? assuming there's more than 1 wolf and not just 1 wolf left to themself? or the wolves are the cannibals? sorry just typing aloud here, not actually asking for answers.
This is why there’s no point in publicly tinfoiling before flips it leads to scary circles.
 
Yes, it’s a copypasta. If you google phrases of it you’ll see it’s been posted on pretty much every forum WW site on the interwebs. Never SDN tho. It was open real estate.

I’ve been holding that copypasta for months, a quarter of a year, waiting for the right opportunity to post it. Now seemed like the best opportunity.

I wouldn’t really say it was a distraction. Peoples reactions have been very valuable for information.


Also yes
I assumed you’d just typed that **** up after getting your role and we’re anxiously awaiting to post it
like
What
 
Have we ever done that here?
Or did she find that while googling your seer claim?
I don’t think we’ve ever called them Turbos. Not in the last year at least.

I can’t speak to what she’s been googling.
 
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