The Stand WW Game Thread

[Ashgirl]

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*Ashgirl always seems to escape being lynched. Has she revealed.

As Willow mentioned, I did reveal earlier and I am Kojak, Glen's (who was FFM) dog.

Anyways, I don't know much as usual, other than I can somewhat confirm that Chillbo was not lying about his ability to steal things.

As for who to lynch today, I'm not sure (as usual). I might reread a bit and see if anyone has any compelling information before voting.

 

[WildZoo]

(would an original wolf throw two wolves under the bus?)

@WillowLeaf can answer that question, if she remembers the Shangri-La game 😏

 

[lhmhtd]

Hmmm. I'm going to go with lynch ogrady.

Allies right, super active then randomly quiet.

 

[brightimpressio]

M-o-o-n, that spells "if we really don't have any better ideas it would probably be a good idea to start getting rid of known chaos characters. In the beepers game the chaos characters won because they outlasted the wolves. ***************lynch o Grady for now ***************."

 

[Roxas]

Anyone know anything about O Grady? Since Sunday, all he has posted on the thread has been lynch votes, no strategy or discussing.

I feel bad that I haven't been as active, I just started school this week. I've been checking in to read the thread but haven't had time for serious discussion.

 

[StartingoverVet]

I tried to use my fire on Allie last night.

I was told she could not be affected. That has not happened with anyone else.
Not sure what to make of it. Even DocE was affected.

Trying to think of what would make a person immune to fire in the context of this book and nothing comes to mind.

I have to go off to do construction work (don't ask). Will check back and see what y'all come up with later.

 

[WillowLeaf]

M-o-o-n, that spells "if we really don't have any better ideas it would probably be a good idea to start getting rid of known chaos characters. In the beepers game the chaos characters won because they outlasted the wolves. ***************lynch o Grady for now ***************."

I doubt the chaos characters will win just by outlasting us. There were 8 to start with - that's a lot of lynching required in addition to the wolves, if we really have to lynch both chaos and wolves.

The only other possibility I see is that there are two unaligned groups - one neutral group, and one chaos group with a more reasonable number of chaos roles. In that case maybe they do just need to outlast the wolves, but it's not helpful if we don't know who is chaos and who is neutral.

 

[WillowLeaf]

Allie, have you been unable to PM anyone this whole game, or is that a new restriction?

@WillowLeaf can answer that question, if she remembers the Shangri-La game 😏

I remember it. You had me stubbornly defending you, and then feeling pretty foolish when you were killed. I will never fully trust you again.

 

[brightimpressio]

I doubt the chaos characters will win just by outlasting us. There were 8 to start with - that's a lot of lynching required in addition to the wolves, if we really have to lynch both chaos and wolves.

The only other possibility I see is that there are two unaligned groups - one neutral group, and one chaos group with a more reasonable number of chaos roles. In that case maybe they do just need to outlast the wolves, but it's not helpful if we don't know who is chaos and who is neutral.

M-o-o-n, that spells "I agree. I doubt that if everyone is chaos that they simply have to outlast everyone else, but that game has made me a bit scared of keeping known chaos characters around for too long 😉"

 

[WillowLeaf]

M-o-o-n, that spells "I agree. I doubt that if everyone is chaos that they simply have to outlast everyone else, but that game has made me a bit scared of keeping known chaos characters around for too long 😉"

Yeah I'm nervous of ignoring chaos characters too. I'm a bit confused about the info on chaos roles this game - I'm not sure if all we know is that 8 people are unaligned, or if we know that some are chaos and not all neutral, or whether there might be two other groups besides villagers and wolves...

 

[allieh8607]

Allie, have you been unable to PM anyone this whole game, or is that a new restriction?

Not a new restriction, it's been like that the whole game. I don't remember who was in my original group, but they would have been able to tell you I never PMed the group and ignored any individual PMs. I'm assuming it's because I am an "everything" seer...name, affiliation, and ability. I was trying to make it seem like I wasn't the seer obviously, but the cat's kind of out of the bag now so I don't have a problem admitting that. So I can find out lots of info but the mods made it so I can't tell anyone. I can send anonymous messages to one person but they cannot give away my identity or contain any seer results whatsoever.

I am also one of the mods' favorite characters in the book, so perhaps that's why I'm untouchable 😛

 

[allieh8607]

Hmmm. I'm going to go with lynch ogrady.

Allies right, super active then randomly quiet.

You were getting anonymous messages for awhile...have you gotten any recently?

 

[WillowLeaf]

Not a new restriction, it's been like that the whole game. I don't remember who was in my original group, but they would have been able to tell you I never PMed the group and ignored any individual PMs. I'm assuming it's because I am an "everything" seer...name, affiliation, and ability. I was trying to make it seem like I wasn't the seer obviously, but the cat's kind of out of the bag now so I don't have a problem admitting that. So I can find out lots of info but the mods made it so I can't tell anyone. I can send anonymous messages to one person but they cannot give away my identity or contain any seer results whatsoever.

I am also one of the mods' favorite characters in the book, so perhaps that's why I'm untouchable 😛

Okay. I was asking about PMing because DocE was in your group, and I thought maybe through PMs the wolves knew you were being protected and therefore didn't try to attack you. Otherwise it makes no sense to me that the wolves would assume that there is a protector role and that you're protected every night, and not try to kill the seer.

 

[Frozenshades]

Not a new restriction, it's been like that the whole game. I don't remember who was in my original group, but they would have been able to tell you I never PMed the group and ignored any individual PMs. I'm assuming it's because I am an "everything" seer...name, affiliation, and ability. I was trying to make it seem like I wasn't the seer obviously, but the cat's kind of out of the bag now so I don't have a problem admitting that. So I can find out lots of info but the mods made it so I can't tell anyone. I can send anonymous messages to one person but they cannot give away my identity or contain any seer results whatsoever.

I am also one of the mods' favorite characters in the book, so perhaps that's why I'm untouchable 😛

Can confirm. Was not replied too 🙁

 

[lhmhtd]

You were getting anonymous messages for awhile...have you gotten any recently?

They stopped and then I got one again last night. It said, "misplaced suspicion." I'm assuming that's about Chillbo?

 

[StartingoverVet]

The only other possibility I see is that there are two unaligned groups - one neutral group, and one chaos group with a more reasonable number of chaos roles. In that case maybe they do just need to outlast the wolves, but it's not helpful if we don't know who is chaos and who is neutral.

Unless somebody(ies) are holding out there is only one big group. Perhaps there is a sub-group but I haven't seen any indication of that, but a few people are so inactive as to make it hard to say (chillbo, swings, etc).

 

[StartingoverVet]

How does the death of cocoa demonstrate that? Do you think she was chaos and had a special ability to not be converted? I thought allie said earlier that cocoa was not a chaos/unaligned, so if it's true that cocoa was chaos, then someone is lying (or I'm remembering incorrectly).

Cocoa was not chaos, that is not what I was saying..

My point was cocoa "could not be converted"
which means that normal villagers can be converted.
Which means that looking for conversions only among the chaos characters is misguided. Not saying we can't be converted, as obviously LIS appeared to be, just that it appears that it is probably just as likely for a plain villager to be converted.

 

[StartingoverVet]

lynch HTML

One of the few people whose role we don't really know, and I am not buying there are 2 links for villagers to receive anon messages. Why repeat the same mechanism for 2 separate people?

 

[ksmi117]

Lynch allieh. Just too much of a perfect conversion target and it's been pretty clear that she's a seer for too long to stay alive I think.

 

[allieh8607]

lynch HTML

One of the few people whose role we don't really know, and I am not buying there are 2 links for villagers to receive anon messages. Why repeat the same mechanism for 2 separate people?

I know HTML's role and although I haven't seered them, I don't think they would have been a wolf. Can't speak for conversion though.

Lynch ksmi

 

[Chillbo Baggins]

Lynch allie

 

[Frozenshades]

lynch allie

 

[allieh8607]

🙁

I don't blame you guys, I really don't. But this is what the wolves want. You'll be losing a villager.

 

[brightimpressio]

M-o-o-n, that spells "unlynch whoever, lynch Ksmi."

I'm suspicious of allie but I'm willing to put that off until a bit later in the game. 3 known chaos characters are bandwagoning on her, which gives me weird feels. She very well could be a wolf, but if she's around later in the game we know who to go after.

 

[lhmhtd]

I'm "Ralph brentner." And I am the voice of nick andros.

 

[WildZoo]

Official "You Should Always Trust WZ" Lynch Tally
Allie (4) - Cyndia, ksmi, chillbo, FS
Chillbo (1) - Willow
O Grady (1) - HTML
Ksmi (2) - allie, BI
HTML (1) - SOV

9/12 votes
Roll call: @Ashgirl @O Grady @nohika
Lynch deadline is 11pm EST but I'll close early if everyone checks in

 

[ksmi117]

M-o-o-n, that spells "unlynch whoever, lynch Ksmi."

I'm suspicious of allie but I'm willing to put that off until a bit later in the game. 3 known chaos characters are bandwagoning on her, which gives me weird feels. She very well could be a wolf, but if she's around later in the game we know who to go after.

It's my experience that wolves tend to not draw attention to themselves in games. Well except DocE, and we all see where that got him. And the past two days I've kind of thrown out my thoughts on the thread since I haven't been too talkative via PM and don't know who to trust, and people have bandwagoned on those votes, unfortunately. Seems like a dumb move if I were a wolf, when I could have just voted along with the masses, no?

I'll be the first to admit that I have horrible wolf-dar in these games but the seer has been converted in the last two games I've played in and I'd hate to make the same mistake again. I'd be willing to change my vote if there's a good reason to vote for someone else. Allie is just a little more suspicious to me at this point. Unless there is reason to believe wolves have attacked allie and failed to kill her because of protection or something, it just doesn't make sense to me that she's still alive and a villager.

 

[allieh8607]

It's my experience that wolves tend to not draw attention to themselves in games. Well except DocE, and we all see where that got him. And the past two days I've kind of thrown out my thoughts on the thread since I haven't been too talkative via PM and don't know who to trust, and people have bandwagoned on those votes, unfortunately. Seems like a dumb move if I were a wolf, when I could have just voted along with the masses, no?

How would you know that people would bandwagon when you initially voted? You unintentionally drew attention to yourself by doing that (if that's what happened...I didn't notice)...it happened by chance that people bandwagoned on your vote. So that argument isn't really valid.

 

[brightimpressio]

It's my experience that wolves tend to not draw attention to themselves in games. Well except DocE, and we all see where that got him. And the past two days I've kind of thrown out my thoughts on the thread since I haven't been too talkative via PM and don't know who to trust, and people have bandwagoned on those votes, unfortunately. Seems like a dumb move if I were a wolf, when I could have just voted along with the masses, no?

I'll be the first to admit that I have horrible wolf-dar in these games but the seer has been converted in the last two games I've played in and I'd hate to make the same mistake again. I'd be willing to change my vote if there's a good reason to vote for someone else. Allie is just a little more suspicious to me at this point. Unless there is reason to believe wolves have attacked allie and failed to kill her because of protection or something, it just doesn't make sense to me that she's still alive and a villager.

M-o-o-n, that spells "I honestly thought that you had more votes at the time that you did; I was just trying to keep allie from being lynched this early in the game. I'm not that suspicious of you 😉.

My wolf-dar has been really really bad this game. I think it's just a confusing game. I agree that allie not being killed yet is really weird, but I'm willing to put off lynching her for a few more cycles on the off-chance that she isn't a wolf. If she is a wolf I think it's weird that the villagers don't have a seer, but this might just be one of those games.

Edit: Of course it is possible that she's a convert..."

 

[ksmi117]

How would you know that people would bandwagon when you initially voted? You unintentionally drew attention to yourself by doing that (if that's what happened...I didn't notice)...it happened by chance that people bandwagoned on your vote. So that argument isn't really valid.

I didn't know they would bandwagon, but that's always a risk you take when throwing a new lynch vote out. I would think that a wolf would be less risky and just vote with others. Or at least that's what I normally do when I've been a wolf in the past.

 

[allieh8607]

Either way, I just came across a post by cyndia that said ksmi is chaos so I'd rather try and find a wolf...unless of course she was converted.

Unlynch ksmi lynch ogrady

 

[allieh8607]

But I do want to point out that ksmi jumped on the 1st docE bandwagon late, then for the second one she said "I think docE is a wolf" but threw out a random vote for cocoa (which I can't fault too much since I also didn't want the superflu and threw out a random vote) and then a few days later voted to lynch cocoa, a bandwagon took off, and you said how you'd feel bad if waffles after 7 weren't counted. Idk...I just am a little uncomfortable with your voting pattern but I'd rather concentrate on wolves than chaos at this point.

 

[brightimpressio]

M-o-o-n, that spells "unlynch Ksmi, lynch o-grady."

 

[Roxas]

***** Lynch chillbo *****

 

[WildZoo]

Official "You Should Always Trust WZ" Lynch Tally
Allie (4) - Cyndia, ksmi, chillbo, FS
Chillbo (2) - Willow, O Grady
O Grady (3) - HTML, allie, BI
Ksmi (0)
HTML (1) - SOV

10/12 votes
Roll call: @Ashgirl @nohika
Lynch deadline is 11pm EST but I'll close early if I feel like it

 

[Frozenshades]

unlynch allie lynch chillbo

I present you these offerings, WZ, oh queen of ties

 

[LetItSnow]

*****************
lynch all y'all for being boring
*****************

 

[WildZoo]

A three-way tie? How tempting 😏

 

[Ashgirl]

I'm spending time with family and haven't had time to check the thread so for now****lynch ogrady****

 

[WildZoo]

🙁

 

[ksmi117]

But I do want to point out that ksmi jumped on the 1st docE bandwagon late, then for the second one she said "I think docE is a wolf" but threw out a random vote for cocoa (which I can't fault too much since I also didn't want the superflu and threw out a random vote) and then a few days later voted to lynch cocoa, a bandwagon took off, and you said how you'd feel bad if waffles after 7 weren't counted. Idk...I just am a little uncomfortable with your voting pattern but I'd rather concentrate on wolves than chaos at this point.

As far as the cocoa vote, I legitimately thought there was a valid reason to vote for him/her based on the anonymous messages and the who could PM who thing. Then you cleared him/her after the huge bandwagon, and someone explained at least that DocE wasn't on the PM list for Vetash making that reason invalid. So I felt bad for even bringing up those reasons again, thus my feeling bad about the waffles after 7 thing.

I don't recall when I voted for DocE the first time and don't have the time or energy to look back into that vote, but I'd been suspicious of DocE for a bit before he was actually lynched and even brought it up with the other chaos players. The cocoa vote then was for just the reason who stated. DocE was already in the lead by a significant amount. Seems silly in retrospect knowing DocE was full of it but I didn't know what would happen if the superflu thing was real.

 

[Frozenshades]

🙁

I did what I could.

 

[SummerTheLynx]

@nohika what say you so we can end this lynch

 

[WildZoo]

Your sleep-deprived mod didn't send out items today. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

 

[WillowLeaf]

Cocoa was not chaos, that is not what I was saying..

My point was cocoa "could not be converted"
which means that normal villagers can be converted.
Which means that looking for conversions only among the chaos characters is misguided. Not saying we can't be converted, as obviously LIS appeared to be, just that it appears that it is probably just as likely for a plain villager to be converted.

Nevermind, I obviously misread your post. I thought you were saying it was a good idea to focus on chaos roles being potential converts and was confused. Yeah I agree that cocoa being unconvertable means that regular villagers probably can be converted.

Unless there is reason to believe wolves have attacked allie and failed to kill her because of protection or something, it just doesn't make sense to me that she's still alive and a villager.

Nope. But I have a strong reason to believe that allie has not been attacked yet.

Either way, I just came across a post by cyndia that said ksmi is chaos so I'd rather try and find a wolf...unless of course she was converted.

Unlynch ksmi lynch ogrady

Am I missing something? I thought ogrady was chaos/unaffiliated too.

Seems silly in retrospect knowing DocE was full of it but I didn't know what would happen if the superflu thing was real.

Maybe it was real. MJ died when DocE was lynched.

 

[WillowLeaf]

I want to waffle to allie but that would create a tie. I'm fine with ogrady too - I have no reason to trust him, and think he's a bit suspicious. But if someone waffles to allie I will too, assuming that there is enough time before deadline for me to see the waffle. (What time zone is the 11pm deadline in?)

 

[allieh8607]

Nope. But I have a strong reason to believe that allie has not been attacked yet.

Am I missing something? I thought ogrady was chaos/unaffiliated too.

Care to share that strong reason? I mean, if I have been attacked I definitely haven't been notified of it so I wouldn't know. I wasn't notified that SOV tried to light my house on fire.

Is ogrady chaos? It's getting hard for me to keep everyone straight. SOV, ksmi, Chillbo are all supposedly chaos and now you're saying ogrady too. I'm realizing I don't know much about you...I think tomorrow it may be time to compose the dreaded list with everyone's roles...people don't seem to want to do much discussing so info just isn't getting around like it should.

 

[allieh8607]

I want to waffle to allie but that would create a tie. I'm fine with ogrady too - I have no reason to trust him, and think he's a bit suspicious. But if someone waffles to allie I will too, assuming that there is enough time before deadline for me to see the waffle. (What time zone is the 11pm deadline in?)

The deadline passed about an hour ago but nice try

 

[WillowLeaf]

Care to share that strong reason? I mean, if I have been attacked I definitely haven't been notified of it so I wouldn't know. I wasn't notified that SOV tried to light my house on fire.

Is ogrady chaos? It's getting hard for me to keep everyone straight. SOV, ksmi, Chillbo are all supposedly chaos and now you're saying ogrady too. I'm realizing I don't know much about you...I think tomorrow it may be time to compose the dreaded list with everyone's roles...people don't seem to want to do much discussing so info just isn't getting around like it should.

Info came from Gwen, who was killed at night so I think she was a villager. I don't know her role, so I don't know if she had some kind of tracker-like role or what.

Not sure about grady. I thought FFM or somebody said that ogrady and chillbo could both PM with LIS and vetash, and that the only person vetash and LIS could both PM who was not chaos/unaffiliated was cocoa.

You're right, you don't know anything about my role/ability because I've never mentioned it on the thread. I will if other people find me suspicious too, but I haven't had any reason to reveal yet.

The deadline passed about an hour ago but nice try

Time zones. They're really hard for me to keep track of. 😉

 

[WildZoo]

Sorry guys. Fell asleep while waiting for my computer to stop being dumb.
You have lynched O Grady - Julie Lawry. Her affiliation could not be determined, but we do know that she had a nightly habit of distracting someone with her services