There's a WW in Michigan Game Thread

[PippyPony]

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The fact that cray wasn't active today and lis is villager slightly lowers her from being wolfy in my mind now

It does not lower her for me. I think she would 100% kill off me and then LIS because we saw her behind the scenes as a wolf. She is up there for me in terms of sketchballness; I want these other 2 addressed first, I think, but based on kill choices alone she is looking progressively more wolfy to me.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

I fully support this vote; imo dy has been pushing on slightly sketchy villagers to see what sticks (whichever noob said that earlier today gets hella props from me). And iirc she started kicking it up a notch when greenies treats was getting lynched.

hmm I guess I read her thoughts as tunnelling mainly. Which is a thing I know some good players do (eg am and dvmd) but I haven't played enough with her to know if its a common thing for her. If not, she would be a good vote too.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

It does not lower her for me. I think she would 100% kill off me and then LIS because we saw her behind the scenes as a wolf. She is up there for me in terms of sketchballness; I want these other 2 addressed first, I think, but based on kill choices alone she is looking progressively more wolfy to me.

thats why I said slightly. because she is still up there but not my first pick right now. I just know AM is probably going to grill me on why I'm not voting her today now, so just putting it out there now.

 

[PippyPony]

hmm I guess I read her thoughts as tunnelling mainly. Which is a thing I know some good players do (eg am and dvmd) but I haven't played enough with her to know if its a common thing for her. If not, she would be a good vote too.

From what I have seen she does occasionally tunnel, but not nearly as badly as I do on her, so take my read on her with a grain of salt lol

 

[Melchizedek]

Correct. I told you I was the seer after you started pushing on my comment to not let the village lynch me. You then asked who I was seering. I said "You". You then tried to suggest that I seer Snowy instead because you had defended me, so clearly you were a waste of time.

I then found myself redirected and deaded, so how about you tell me why you didn't want me looking into your affiliation?

I'm paranoid as all hell, and you coming right out and saying I should help you, without giving me jack to go off of, just sent off instinctive alarm bells. Once I sat down and thought it through, I realized that was a stupid move for a wolf to make, so I pulled the lynch off of you well before you came back and told me you were the seer. Check the time stamps on the PM's and thread posts if you don't believe me.

I didn't care if you seered me or not, it would have cleared me as village to you, but the fact that I kept you from being lynched should have clued you in to begin with. I suggested snowy because I was 100% sure Snowy was playing to her wolf meta. I don't get how you're pinning the redirect on me.

As for me being a wolf and still letting the pack kill you; after your MULTIPLE threats, you think I would still have done that and spend all of yesterday on the defensive like I had to?

ETA: "One nice thing about Michigan."

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

actually knowing staffy is village and greeny was a noob, cray's comment on them is even more sketch.

 

[DVMDream]

As for me being a wolf and still letting the pack kill you; after your MULTIPLE threats, you think I would still have done that and spend all of yesterday on the defensive like I had to?

ETA: "One nice thing about Michigan."

You actually weren't saying much at the end of lynch yesterday until the last 5 minutes of.... "don't lynch allie"

"Michigan good thing"

 

[DVMDream]

I really want to vote Mel based on Pippy's info but I'm also curious about Mel shouting out to not lynch allie, not really a wolfy thing to do. Unless he was doing that close to end lynch because he knew she'd be village.

ETA: "Michigan good"

 

[PippyPony]

actually knowing staffy is village and greeny was a noob, cray's comment on them is even more sketch.

And makes dy's selective ignoring of noob comments also strange.

I think she is a good choice for today; I do think that she and Mel are probably not both wolves given D1 exchange so it would give info on the other one.

 

[DVMDream]

And makes dy's selective ignoring of noob comments also strange.

I think she is a good choice for today; I do think that she and Mel are probably not both wolves given D1 exchange so it would give info on the other one.

Meh, dy is being normal dy to me this far. But it has been a while since I've played with her.

 

[Melchizedek]

You actually weren't saying much at the end of lynch yesterday until the last 5 minutes of.... "don't lynch allie"

"Michigan good thing"

I'm sorry my defenses aren't as prolific as Cray's? Idk it felt like I had a giant target on my back and had to be explaining myself to Cowgirl and LIS at the least.

I really want to vote Mel based on Pippy's info but I'm also curious about Mel shouting out to not lynch allie, not really a wolfy thing to do. Unless he was doing that close to end lynch because he knew she'd be village.

ETA: "Michigan good"

I already mentioned why it happened late. Allie role revealed in a post that pretty much ninja'd one of mine. I had to go back and look for the post when I saw LIS quoting it. It took me another two/three minutes to analyze and post.
ETA: Everyone should move to Michigan, its a wonderful place.

 

[PippyPony]

I really want to vote Mel based on Pippy's info but I'm also curious about Mel shouting out to not lynch allie, not really a wolfy thing to do. Unless he was doing that close to end lynch because he knew she'd be village.

ETA: "Michigan good"

Honestly I was originally just seering him for cursory clearing purposes so I could PM with him more freely because I liked his initial reads, but then he responded all weird to the role reveal and then I got redirected and also died.

He would have to tell people not to lynch me even if he was a wolf because he would know I wasn't lying, so I also think that's a **** excuse to be leaning on.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

I really want to vote Mel based on Pippy's info but I'm also curious about Mel shouting out to not lynch allie, not really a wolfy thing to do. Unless he was doing that close to end lynch because he knew she'd be village.

ETA: "Michigan good"

Eh if people unlynched allie, there was a higher chance staff would win lynch then mel. I would probably take that chance of saying not to lynch allie if I were a wolf in mel's place. It could semi establish yourself villager cred if village code were a thing.

 

[vetmedhead]

I fully support this vote; imo dy has been pushing on slightly sketchy villagers to see what sticks (whichever noob said that earlier today gets hella props from me). And iirc she started kicking it up a notch when greenies treats was getting lynched.

I think there is a very good chance that she's a wolf. My lynch vote is going to live there today and I'm going to strongly encourage others to go there today too

I'm paranoid as all hell, and you coming right out and saying I should help you, without giving me jack to go off of, just sent off instinctive alarm bells. Once I sat down and thought it through, I realized that was a stupid move for a wolf to make, so I pulled the lynch off of you well before you came back and told me you were the seer. Check the time stamps on the PM's and thread posts if you don't believe me.

I didn't care if you seered me or not, it would have cleared me as village to you, but the fact that I kept you from being lynched should have clued you in to begin with. I suggested snowy because I was 100% sure Snowy was playing to her wolf meta. I don't get how you're pinning the redirect on me.

As for me being a wolf and still letting the pack kill you; after your MULTIPLE threats, you think I would still have done that and spend all of yesterday on the defensive like I had to?

ETA: "One nice thing about Michigan."

Can I get an updated list of your current feelz?

 

[vetmedhead]

By the way, any prevailing theories about the double kill last night?

 

[Melchizedek]

Can I get an updated list of your current feelz?

Would you like the grand list or do you have a few specific people in mind?

I hear the air in Michigan smells nice.

 

[PippyPony]

By the way, any prevailing theories about the double kill last night?

Could just be even night; wasn't going to get too excited about it until there was more of a pattern than just n=1

 

[fromthebox]

By the way, any prevailing theories about the double kill last night?

I was thinking maybe a modkill. No other theories yet.

 

[vetmedhead]

Could just be even night; wasn't going to get too excited about it until there was more of a pattern than just n=1

I just like to speculate fast, early, and often. It's what I do!

 

[vetmedhead]

I just like to speculate fast, early, and often. It's what I do!

Also, inb4 somebody turns the above into a sex joke

 

[vetmedhead]

Would you like the grand list or do you have a few specific people in mind?

I hear the air in Michigan smells nice.

Grand list!

 

[DVMDream]

I think there is a very good chance that she's a wolf. My lynch vote is going to live there today and I'm going to strongly encourage others to go there today too

I'm not going to vote there because I'll repeat, dy is posting like her normal villager self.

ETA... Michigan. Good.

 

[vetmedhead]

I'm not going to vote there because I'll repeat, dy is posting like her normal villager self.

I strongly disagree

 

[DVMDream]

Eh if people unlynched allie, there was a higher chance staff would win lynch then mel. I would probably take that chance of saying not to lynch allie if I were a wolf in mel's place. It could semi establish yourself villager cred if village code were a thing.

Kind of the point I was making with just less words.

Damn it, Michigan nice.

 

[DVMDream]

I strongly disagree

You haven't played with her like I have. I trust my read much more than yours.

Michigan good

 

[dyachei]

By the way, any prevailing theories about the double kill last night?

I have one. I'll let you consider it a little longer though.

 

[WildZoo]

Also, inb4 somebody turns the above into a sex joke

Why would you take this away from me

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Also, can the posting restriction be you have to make a michigan joke or post a michigan gif? Would be more entertaining to read

Eg: Michigan Jokes - State Jokes

 

[dyachei]

Oh and pippy I don't even think I was in the thread when greenies was in the lead?

 

[Crayola227]

Good point here.


Interesting that you think that. Chaos was something that just made sense to me during read-throughs of other games. And given the finger pointing during D1 that wasn't making much sense to me and my noob-for-brains, it wouldn't be a stretch to think that a chaos role would hop on that bandwagon to obfuscate things further. But, again, I have much less experience with this so that's just an educated guess. That's also another reason why I'm not talking much because I honestly feel like I'm just shooting the ****. I don't want to screw over the village with my inexperienced thoughts. Other experienced villagers know some players and some common wolf strategies better, so I'm kinda leaning on them to figure things out.

The thing about Chaos is that while called that, they aren't necessarily about causing chaos. It's just that they have their own win condition, which actually can line up with the village goals or the wolf goals, even. They're a 3rd party. The reason they are called that is because often, though not always, the net affect of their play toward their win condition, which technically doesn't necessarily line up with either village or wolf, can often be chaos creating. Often what it is, is that when their behavior is analyzed, something doesn't quite "add up" because they're not behaving as would be expected of the two regular affiliations.

One game I was neutral, which I think meant I won with either side that won, provided that I lived to the end. In that game I think I killed or identified 3/4 wolves. Somehow I ended up playing villager even though I didn't have to.

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

8 pages?!?!

Welcome back, Pip! 🙂

Lynch was a gongshow. I look forward to finding any measure of sense in all of that.

 

[DVMDream]

The thing about Chaos is that while called that, they aren't necessarily about causing chaos. It's just that they have their own win condition, which actually can line up with the village goals or the wolf goals, even. They're a 3rd party. The reason they are called that is because often, though not always, the net affect of their play toward their win condition, which technically doesn't necessarily line up with either village or wolf, can often be chaos creating. Often what it is, is that when their behavior is analyzed, something doesn't quite "add up" because they're not behaving as would be expected of the two regular affiliations.

One game I was neutral, which I think meant I won with either side that won, provided that I lived to the end. In that game I think I killed or identified 3/4 wolves. Somehow I ended up playing villager even though I didn't have to.

The thing anyone needs to understand about chaos or neutral is that they aren't village and they should die (be lynched). If it isn't village, it gets lynched because you don't know how or what they can do to impact the game....might help village, might destroy them, best to just not find out.

 

[PippyPony]

Oh and pippy I don't even think I was in the thread when greenies was in the lead?

You were at least present when she was tied

staff still is IMO, don't think they've answered my question from yesterday still.

@dyachei this was in response to @Animal Midwife when she made a comment about greenies and staff not answering her questions. This was shortly after greenies had acquired a second vote and was tied with the other candidates. Don't love the focus or the timing, particularly in retrospect.

 

[vetmedhead]

Why would you take this away from me

I get off on being withholding

 

[Melchizedek]

Grand list!

Wolf
DVMD
KC

Wolfish
Snowy
Dy
Gryff
Cowgirl
Jil

Villageish
Kara
AM
Crayola

Village
Pippy
BBC
Staff
SP

Everyone else is either null or I don't have enough info to form an opinion on.


Other thoughts

Snowy my case for snowy was built around her being hedgey, she’s made some decent analysis since my last comments on her and it makes me double check my read.

Dy - I’m back to thinking Dy is wolfy now that DVMD seems to be hard preaching her meta. Right after “putting the nail” in a villager’s coffin, turning around and vouching for someone that has been tunneling on a now confirmed villager?

Really want DVMD, Jil, and Coops talking because they all either voted or posted support confirm the Allieh lynch.

AM started out village to me based on her meta, but she’s been sheeping my vote the past two days now and its setting off alarms

SP is coming off the same way that she did last game. Asking questions, just a tad clueless, a little emotion tinged in her posts whenever all-hell-breaks-loose in the game

ETA: Michigan has beautiful views
I'm having a hard time with this post restriction.

 

[dyachei]

You were at least present when she was tied


@dyachei this was in response to @Animal Midwife when she made a comment about greenies and staff not answering her questions. This was shortly after greenies had acquired a second vote and was tied with the other candidates. Don't love the focus or the timing, particularly in retrospect.

OK...staffy is literally reluctant to talk and then tells people that questioning them is wolfy. I'm sorry you thought my focus there was weird?

 

[PippyPony]

OK...staffy is literally reluctant to talk and then tells people that questioning them is wolfy. I'm sorry you thought my focus there was weird?

Considering that you also didn't seem to be put off by greenies saying that the act of voting was sketchy? Yeah. I do think that is weird.

 

[dyachei]

Considering that you also didn't seem to be put off by greenies saying that the act of voting was sketchy? Yeah. I do think that is weird.

I want to say I did comment on that...

 

[PippyPony]

I want to say I did comment on that...

*Shrug* if you did, then I didn't see it.

Will look tomorrow -- I am wondering if SDN crashing is its way of lovingly telling me to go to sleep because it is way past my bedtime.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Okay I'm going with pippy here on the mel lynch. I don't know if I agree though that if he is a wolf, that cray isn't. Cray is still near the top of my list and looking at paws comments earlier on her also make me want to crack that craycray egg. Genny has had no useful comments so far, which makes me think she's either a vanillager or a wolf, when she has an ability she is usually more thoughtful and less jokey (I think). Gryff is hard to read beneath the noob. 3m is disappeared which is probably more villagey then wolfy and she is probably soon to be modkilled if she doesn't show up, but just noting that she wasn't around today. dy I'm reading as tunnelling village, I get where the votes for her are coming from though, but if she plays this way normally per others probably not voting there today. if mel is a wolf I would look at boo. dvmd has too many pages of posts I didn't feel like going through them today so no feels one way or another for her today. Everyone else is either neutral or village leaning and not top concern rn.

 

[cowgirl92]

I had one "broad game mechanic" question to ask, so I asked how many wolves were left. There are 4. Hopefully that was a good question???? I only had one, so I can't do anymore, but if anybody has advice for if it comes up in the future I'd appreciate it.

 

[DVMDream]

Dy - I’m back to thinking Dy is wolfy now that DVMD seems to be hard preaching her meta. Right after “putting the nail” in a villager’s coffin, turning around and vouching for someone that has been tunneling on a now confirmed villager?

Really want DVMD, Jil, and Coops talking because they all either voted or posted support confirm the Allieh lynch.


ETA: Michigan has beautiful views
I'm having a hard time with this post restriction.

You so need to hard re-read the thread. Go back and see my original thoughts on allie... I repeatedly stated I thought the vote was a mistake. Repeatedly. Then she posted her role....and well, it is why you and I are in this whole mess below.....

Michigan is good.

Apparently some say vanillager. Who knew?

I'm not going to change my thought on dy. That's how she plays village. She kind of rides people. If she were being quiet and not riding people, I'd be worried.

 

[DVMDream]

Wolf
DVMD
KC

Wolfish
Snowy
Dy
Gryff
Cowgirl
Jil

Villageish
Kara
AM
Crayola

Village
Pippy
BBC
Staff
SP

Everyone else is either null or I don't have enough info to form an opinion on.


Other thoughts

Snowy my case for snowy was built around her being hedgey, she’s made some decent analysis since my last comments on her and it makes me double check my read.

Dy - I’m back to thinking Dy is wolfy now that DVMD seems to be hard preaching her meta. Right after “putting the nail” in a villager’s coffin, turning around and vouching for someone that has been tunneling on a now confirmed villager?

A few other things bizarre with your input here.... I'm a wolf and so is dy? Seems a bit bizarre for a wolf to "strongly vouch" another wolf. Doesn't it? And how then are we in different categories??? We should be in the same based on your explanation of your reads.

Also you noobs have got to stop using the damn word vouch except for in mod confirmed alliance situations.

I'm not "vouching" for dy. I'm telling everyone she reads more village to me and based on the people currently playing, I've definitely got more experience playing with her than anyone else. That doesn't mean I can't be wrong but currently for multiple reasons, I've got her more village.

Oh and one last thing....dy tunneled a villager? Holy crap, surely none of us have ever done that as a villager??? Right? (Totally didn't just happen last game with me and you). Oh, wait, it is actually more common for villagers to tunnel....yeah. Your reads are way off and bizarre.

Oh yeah, Michigan, good.

 

[DVMDream]

I had one "broad game mechanic" question to ask, so I asked how many wolves were left. There are 4. Hopefully that was a good question???? I only had one, so I can't do anymore, but if anybody has advice for if it comes up in the future I'd appreciate it.

Can ask about any third party factions. Can ask if there are any conversions present in the game. Can ask if any items present in the game. Just to name a few.

 

[Melchizedek]

A few other things bizarre with your input here.... I'm a wolf and so is dy? Seems a bit bizarre for a wolf to "strongly vouch" another wolf. Doesn't it? And how then are we in different categories??? We should be in the same based on your explanation of your reads.

Also you noobs have got to stop using the damn word vouch except for in mod confirmed alliance situations.

I'm not "vouching" for dy. I'm telling everyone she reads more village to me and based on the people currently playing, I've definitely got more experience playing with her than anyone else. That doesn't mean I can't be wrong but currently for multiple reasons, I've got her more village.

Oh and one last thing....dy tunneled a villager? Holy crap, surely none of us have ever done that as a villager??? Right? (Totally didn't just happen last game with me and you). Oh, wait, it is actually more common for villagers to tunnel....yeah. Your reads are way off and bizarre.

Oh yeah, Michigan, good.

My thinking Dy is a wolf is based on you being a wolf defending her. I'm okay with finding out if you are a wolf first and willing to eat my words about Dy if thats not the case.
And yes village tunneling on village happens often which is another factor in why Dy is lower on my wolf list than you are.

ETA: Michigan is great
I hope you're getting a kick out of this.

 

[DVMDream]

My thinking Dy is a wolf is based on you being a wolf defending her. I'm okay with finding out if you are a wolf first and willing to eat my words about Dy if thats not the case.
And yes village tunneling on village happens often which is another factor in why Dy is lower on my wolf list than you are.

Um, I'm not that stupid and you know that. Making me more suspicious of you.

I just can't quite pull the lynch on you yet because of your post about allie. It rings too much of how LIS and I reacted....we just reacted in the opposite direction because no vanillager in the PM... and allie mentioned vanillager and it was odd. And I'm going to get mod smitted...

So Michigan is good....you might want to update your post. 😉

 

[cowgirl92]

Can ask about any third party factions. Can ask if there are any conversions present in the game. Can ask if any items present in the game. Just to name a few.

Thanks very much!

 

[fromthebox]

Can ask about any third party factions. Can ask if there are any conversions present in the game. Can ask if any items present in the game. Just to name a few.

....Michigan bad?

 

[DVMDream]

....Michigan bad?

****.....

Yes, Michigan very bad.

I'm for sure dying by lightning now.... would be worth it

 

[mmmdreamerz]

Sorry guys. I worked all day yesterday and then promptly missed lynch close because I last-minute went to see Star Wars (which is freaking awesome btw).

Here’s some thoughts when I was getting caught up this morning...

Actually lynch Greeney, because unless it is your first game you should know better by now.

Village points, very early on and first person to call out a known wolf

Lynch fern

For coming on way too strong and harshing the mellow

Early on too, so not a ton of value, but just noted because BBC was right about greeney

@greeneyegal92 I'm still waiting for an answer. To add some pressure for an answer

Unlynch kcough
Lynch greeney

Village points for Kara, this got the greeney lynch going

let me explain

Greeney is also a noob, but I have some frame of reference (more than with Staff) to feel that Greeny was being typical.

Soft-vouchy for greeney

Okay I'll take this for now. Don't have time to look at other people closely because my breaks over so going back to 3m.

Unlynch puppy
Relynch 3m

This is so typical of Snowy, that giving her villager points for it. She always likes to call me out early on haha

is no one else curious how staff survived the tie? is that mod quirk?

You’ve played several games I think....has there ever been a rhyme of reason to ties? Hmmm

Right before the night closed, Pippy messaged me that Mel knew some details about her role and that if she died, he should get lynched.
So Lynch Mel

Village points for cowgirl, especially with Pippy back and what she’s said. Mel is high on my list

Allie could still be a wolf, but she reached out to me via PM last night. She gave me her role name. I've done that as a wolf before though. I think it's pretty common to try to get your PM partner on your side.

With Allie a known village now, this seems like a village statement

See, here’s what bugs me about Mel “hinting” and hoping a protector would pick up on it. Statistically, there is 1 protector, but multiple wolves. Better to just say “Pippy might be important, please protect and don’t lynch” than to be subtle - odds are in favor of the wolves catchng the subtlety but the protector missing it. Just because there are more of them.

I completely agree with this. If you are going to say something vouchy on the thread, make it obvious

we just talked about how coop tried to pull votes away from now confirmed scum and no one is voting there. wtf?

I need to go back and read this, but def points coop on my list

As I told @LyraGardenia in our PM (have you seen it? Because you haven't acknowledged it...)

This makes me look at Lyra a little as to why she didn’t respond

I'm back, b*****es

Thank you to whoever rezzed me.

No thanks to the protector who dropped the ball like woah.

Screw you to whoever redirected me before I died. Don't know why you would think it was a good idea to redirect someone who claimed a power role.

@Melchizedek I would like to know why you were lying so substantially about our PM conversations -- start talking now because you not only knew I was the seer, you also knew you were my planned target.

Staff Wielder is village. I was redirected from Mel onto him, he is clear.

I'm strongly considering a dy lynch today but could also go for Mel. Based off of their BBC votes on D1, I would say that either genny or vmh is probably also wolfy so would like to hear a lot more from them. Also still not a fan of FTB's contributions, and Crayola continues to be weirder than normal imo.

Mel definitely said that he didn’t know Pippy’s role which is sketch as hell considering. I had a bunch of “staff is sketch” posts included in this that I had to go back and delete though lol

I think my vote is either going to Mel or Coop today.