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PippyPony said:
Oh, and contingency vote for DVMD was because I was drunk out of my mind last night and thought her first couple posts matched her wolf pattern.

Also would be no way for me to have gotten info on her.

So, @Jilary nailed it in saying it was dumb to put a lot of stock into that vote.
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I guess I’m curious why you aren’t directing your vote towards Mel?
 
Pippy, is there a reason you haven't placed a Lynch vote yet?

I am a tad nervous about the rez as the last several games, rez has been chaos or wolf convert who then went on to win the game. Teep and KC come to mind...
 
StayingPositive2017 said:
Defending Allie, attacking Pippy BEFORE Staff got really weird and unhelpful.
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If you go back and read again, I think you'll see that my point wasn't defending anyone but Dy, and only in that I was defending that I didn't think it was inconsistent that Dy called out Pippy for defending Staff and not calling out Allie for defending Greeny, because I found the former sketchier than the latter. I explained why I didn't find the latter that suspicious. Basically, I agree with Dy, which isn't even to say that means she isn't a wolf. I am fully aware that wolves try to make good arguments, and often do a good job when they do defend villagers because they can make a good case because they know who the villagers are.

That all said, I will never find a decent point with logic that I agree with, particularly wolfy, unless it doesn't sound consistent with how I think another player thinks, or they are generally contradicting themselves, or something besides that.

I am just finding myself disagreeing with Cray so much. defending greenie and FTB who I'm still suspicious of
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My "defense" of Greenie was literally merely saying that her comment was in keeping with her general style of play, I even said it sounded candid for her, but that could be candid wolf or villager, it wasn't clear.

I will always speak out against lynching people for reasons I think are crappy, or when I think there is someone better to lynch. I don't like lynching people when they just sound like themselves as the reason for the lynch, especially D1. When people said there was something just off and it pinged the feels, that I can respect. But these stupid rules of "such and such phrase is wolfy" doesn't fly with me. It can make villagers afraid to speak their mind, which they need to do.

Do you have any hard reasons to not think FTB's not a good lynch or are these just feels? Cuz this sounds like a soft vouch
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As I explained, I thought her comment was useful (it was to me, other players made the point that is was soooo obvs, OK, Cray is dumb-dumb, especially after being up for a long time), and I'm not familiar with her beyond us starting a co-mod relationship. That said, going off that, I know that she's a smart veteran that hasn't played in a while. All of which, coupled with the fact it's early game and there's plenty of people that we talked about on the board that are sketchier, plenty of people who haven't said much yet, and another noob who's not being very helpful, FTB just wasn't my top choice. Period. That's not the same as saying they're not a wolf. Maybe I'm being too sentimental (they're just getting back in the game, we are planning a WW game) or too rational (I found the comment helpful and not wolfy as such, perhaps I'm not paying attention to "feelz" that it's a throwaway comment).

Last game you were spouting all kinds of Mafiawiki logic and sounding like you were a professor on this game This game you keep saying how you don't know how the mechanics work. This is such a big swing for you and I know you were village last game. I think whats most frustrating about this is that people skim your long posts or don't engage cuz then you go on a tirade about that person. Cue retaliatory Cray expose on StayPaws in 3...2...1...
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You might note that my on-thread love affair with googling about this game started when I tried to a hatch a failed vanillager plot with Ceke in the Bar game, and now that I've claimed Battlestar Galactica as a theme to mod. Why? Cuz I have a lot to learn.

I already explained in exquisite detail why the brain fart about the lynch thing. Yes, I know how it's done, but reading Finn's mod post I thought things were different this time around. Seriously not getting why anyone would find that sort of error particularly wolfy. One time I was sitting at a red light, and I somehow hallucinated that it turned green, and I slammed the gas, rammed the car ahead of me so hard the stereo flew out of the dash. Point: sometimes I see things that aren't there.

As far as the tie thing, most of the time most people act like "omg break the tie or more people die bad for village!!" So I haven't seen that many ties at final tally. Seriously, I thought most times it was resolved by all dying. And, my question as to why it didn't lead to a double death, still valid, for chrissakes.

I was village last game and died night 1. Don't really see your point.

What really offends me, is that my tirades aren't so much about whoever has said what they have said to find me sketchy, but more about why I think finding my typical play (or typical mistakes) so wolfy.

The first game I ever played as wolf, everyone totally had me pegged as wolf from the start, for sounding different, even though I did all the typical obvious cray things. Me sounding dumb isn't really new.

I'm leaving this post at where I was when I started the post and was catching up on the thread. I have more to say about you.
 
StayingPositive2017 said:
Pippy, is there a reason you haven't placed a Lynch vote yet?

I am a tad nervous about the rez as the last several games, rez has been chaos or wolf convert who then went on to win the game. Teep and KC come to mind...
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I mean, same, especially after trusting Teep so hard last game. But they can't ALL be non-village.... right?

I think she's worth listening to for now, at least until Mel goes down village or staff wolf.

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My morning thought, however: would it not be abnormal for Pippy to get notification that she was redirected, and still get the results of her action, all while being killed?

I know it all comes down to order of operations in the game, but I just haven't seen that before.
 
SportPonies said:
My morning thought, however: would it not be abnormal for Pippy to get notification that she was redirected, and still get the results of her action, all while being killed?

I know it all comes down to order of operations in the game, but I just haven't seen that before.
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This is mod dependent. I have played plenty of games where you didn't get night results if you were night killed and I've played plenty where you did get night results regardless of being killed. I don't think I've ever played a Finn game before though so I don't have any personal experience off the top of my head for her preference.
 
[QUOTE="SnowshoeDog143, post: 19554227, member: 465831]Genny has had no useful comments so far, which makes me think she's either a vanillager or a wolf, when she has an ability she is usually more thoughtful and less jokey (I think).[/QUOTE]
I can’t believe none of you geniuses noticed I had a posting restriction yesterday.
 
StayingPositive2017 said:
Pippy, is there a reason you haven't placed a Lynch vote yet?

I am a tad nervous about the rez as the last several games, rez has been chaos or wolf convert who then went on to win the game. Teep and KC come to mind...
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At some point I'd like to know who did the rez, assuming they have no other rezzes available, they should fess up to it so we can feel better about pip's affiliation.
SportPonies said:
I mean, same, especially after trusting Teep so hard last game. But they can't ALL be non-village.... right?

I think she's worth listening to for now, at least until Mel goes down village or staff wolf.

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My morning thought, however: would it not be abnormal for Pippy to get notification that she was redirected, and still get the results of her action, all while being killed?

I know it all comes down to order of operations in the game, but I just haven't seen that before.
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I've definitely gotten my results the night I was killed. It's not uncommon, but definitely mod dependent.
 
vetmedhead said:
This is mod dependent. I have played plenty of games where you didn't get night results if you were night killed and I've played plenty where you did get night results regardless of being killed. I don't think I've ever played a Finn game before though so I don't have any personal experience off the top of my head for her preference.
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I know her preference!!! :heckyeah:
 
Crayola227 said:
The thing about Chaos is that while called that, they aren't necessarily about causing chaos. It's just that they have their own win condition, which actually can line up with the village goals or the wolf goals, even. They're a 3rd party. The reason they are called that is because often, though not always, the net affect of their play toward their win condition, which technically doesn't necessarily line up with either village or wolf, can often be chaos creating. Often what it is, is that when their behavior is analyzed, something doesn't quite "add up" because they're not behaving as would be expected of the two regular affiliations.
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Sooooo looks like I really am a noob-for-brains because I definitely misinterpreted the chaos role. Got it. Thanks for taking the time to explain!
 
SnowshoeDog143 said:
It will give me info on FTB and LIS.
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LetItSnow said:
<insert eye roll>

Lemme translate: "I'm gonna throw some shade on someone just so I look like I'm throwing shade, but I'm so lazy I can't even go find any actual reasons for the shade I'm throwing."

If that isn't sketchy as hell, I dunno what is.
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dyachei said:
Being active in the thread. like, duh
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Yep, I was with LIS before he died, that Snowy was starting to look sketch to me. This isn't some idiotic retaliatory post about Snowy for "tunneling" me. That's what I figured it was, and I let it go at that. But the way Snowy has hedged, throwing shade on LIS, who was village, and the way she keeps coming back to me.... The thing is, finding me sketch isn't sketch in and of itself. For me, it's why you find me sketch.

Problem is, because the village usually finds me sketch, I'm a favored scapegoat for wolves. They can try to hide behind me all game, and when I flip village, it's easy for them to say "whoopsie."

Snowy has just pushed it so hard for so many crap reasons, and it's not even just that which is why I'll be voting her after sealing Mel's fate (pretty sure that's where the vote is going, and will be my contigency lynch before I turn in (that's right, go to sleep for the day).

allieh8607 said:
I could go into how I act as a wolf vs villager when I'm going down but wifom and all that
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That's why I posted that link about wifom. IMHO I think it's fine for people to explain their own gameplay. You put that into your meta and it also helps your meta of someone as a wolf even if they do turn out to be lying.

Not to mention, saying, "I could do this, or I could do that, and I wouldn't do ___", well, everything is WIFOM and at some point you have to decide which of two possible pathways someone would likely go down out of what they could have.

Melchizedek said:
I wasn't trying to make it last minute! She JUST gave us the wording of her role which makes me believe her v.s. getting it second hand what her role was from someone else.
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Wow, between you:
saying you didn't know Pippy's role (I haven't checked the timestamps),
you telegraphing her role on the thread so conveniently,
her last words to have you lynched,
and what she has to say now that you're back,
plus this ridiculous last minute "Don't kill Allieh!" which was pretty strongly worded given it was based on villager code (seriously, after the mods said what they said, you guys thought to use villager code as your main deciding factor? and you say I'm dumb), that was really overstated, and the timing really suspect.

You are vouching for a villager with like 8 votes on them 5 minutes before they go down. That looks like a wolf trying to gain village cred by defending a villager whose fate is sealed. The only reason not to think that is what you were doing is that I like to think you're a smarter wolf than that. Unless that's part of your plot. Sure, that's definitely WIFOM logic right there, but it doesn't matter when you put the rest of it together.

Contingency lynch Mel
 
DVMDream said:
I must be lucky with the Fatal Plus because I like it better than anything else I have used.
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Wow. I thought things got dark in pre-allo/allo, the snake pit. Was not expecting that. Plus, what kind of frakked up name is Fatal Plus? Sounds like a dark parody name they'd use in a Robot Chicken skit.

DVMDream said:
Hmm... is there only one manufacturer for Fatal Plus because I have yet to have a rough euth with it... but I overdose on propofol and wait until they are basically dead to the world from that before giving the Fatal Plus. Only time I have had a "rough" euth was a dog with cardiac disease and really... he just kind of face planted because it hit him hard when it did hit him. Ooops...
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Wow, I seriously almost got sick just reading that. I went into people medicine because the suffering of humans bothers me so much less than that of animals. Guess that's one way to deal with the fact you can't euthanize humans.
 
DVMDream said:
The other thing I will do when I am given a posting restriction is just go MIA for the time I have to do the restriction... I think that is a valid strategy here..

"one nice thing about Michigan"
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LetItSnow said:
That's what I usually do with posting restrictions. I've got a lynch vote in; that's good 'nuff for the day.

"one nice thing about Michigan"
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Besides instituting a punishment for people not opening PMs in my game, I think if I use posting restrictions I'll put in a post minimum, too.

Did LIS get mod-killed for mocking the modpunishment for using villager code and mocking Michigan?
 
LyraGardenia said:
Also just noticed @Crayola227 wasn't around after late last night, which is interesting considering how active she was D1. I know she apparently said she'd be busy this game, but I'd like to hear more from her tomorrow.
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I'm here! In fact, I'm always so "here" that I usually feel the need to brace everyone for any absence that might occur. My hours are weird and that's a fact. In any case, after being up for 30 plus hours (as the timestamps show) I crashed for like 15 hours. That's also pretty typical for me after a big stretch. Some people get stalkery enough to check if someone's been active elsewhere on the site with posts and likes when they've been absent on the thread. In any case, even if I were to try as a wolf to lay low and then WIFOM claim I would never do that as a wolf, do you guys seriously think I have that kind of willpower to stay away from my keyboard and SDN???
 
PippyPony said:
I'm back, b*****es

Thank you to whoever rezzed me.

No thanks to the protector who dropped the ball like woah.

Screw you to whoever redirected me before I died. Don't know why you would think it was a good idea to redirect someone who claimed a power role.

@Melchizedek I would like to know why you were lying so substantially about our PM conversations -- start talking now because you not only knew I was the seer, you also knew you were my planned target.

Staff Wielder is village. I was redirected from Mel onto him, he is clear.

I'm strongly considering a dy lynch today but could also go for Mel. Based off of their BBC votes on D1, I would say that either genny or vmh is probably also wolfy so would like to hear a lot more from them. Also still not a fan of FTB's contributions, and Crayola continues to be weirder than normal imo.
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I have redirected people I thought had power roles and could be wolves - and caught like 4/4 wolves.

Why are you not as keen on lynching Mel today? If you are less suspicious of Mel, why are you not more suspicious of Cowgirl?
 
PippyPony said:
It does not lower her for me. I think she would 100% kill off me and then LIS because we saw her behind the scenes as a wolf. She is up there for me in terms of sketchballness; I want these other 2 addressed first, I think, but based on kill choices alone she is looking progressively more wolfy to me.
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SnowshoeDog143 said:
thats why I said slightly. because she is still up there but not my first pick right now. I just know AM is probably going to grill me on why I'm not voting her today now, so just putting it out there now.
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I don't like to go with "this sorta thing is typically wolfy" as a point to pick, but this sort of "defend before anyone can call me out on it" reads as wolfy to me when I put it together with the rest of the reasons I find Snowy sketch. Only reason I'm not voting there today is because I'm voting Mel on the tails of the Pippy drama.
 
SkiOtter said:
No longer has to be a contingency, were in the day cycle now (since 1 am est)
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lol, add it to the list of idiotic little mistakes I've made this game

all I need to do now is try to lynch an already dead player a al @LetItSnow

ETA: on the contingency I don't wake before deadline again
I don't like to put in votes early in the day when I might not see the talk of the day
in general, I don't like putting in early votes, but I like not voting at all even less
 
StayingPositive2017 said:
Pippy, is there a reason you haven't placed a Lynch vote yet?

I am a tad nervous about the rez as the last several games, rez has been chaos or wolf convert who then went on to win the game. Teep and KC come to mind...
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Not sure why Pippy hasn't placed a vote yet, but she's been putting pressure on both Mel and dy to try and get a read on them. Both have been particularly sketchy in my book and their response since said pressure have only added to that.
 
johnnaboo said:
Not sure why Pippy hasn't placed a vote yet, but she's been putting pressure on both Mel and dy to try and get a read on them. Both have been particularly sketchy in my book and their response since said pressure have only added to that.
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Yes, I can see that. If LIS were here, he would tell you not to answer for others because we want to hear their answers. Consider this a gentle tsk as a noob
 
StayingPositive2017 said:
Yes, I can see that. If LIS were here, he would tell you not to answer for others because we want to hear their answers. Consider this a gentle tsk as a noob
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Fair enough, but this is also vouching for Pippy. I got info that dy is doing some very wolfy things behind the scenes. Cannot reveal my sources, though.
 
johnnaboo said:
Fair enough, but this is also vouching for Pippy. I got info that dy is doing some very wolfy things behind the scenes. Cannot reveal my sources, though.
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Is there a reason you're not voting for dy yet? This seems important to test.
 
Animal Midwife said:
What are your current reads?
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Dy reads like dy every time I play with her.
I feel like kcoughli is up to something but I don't know what. I had an item and used it but it didn't tell me anything (item limitations, not anything player specific/actually wolfy). I don't fully understand the original Mel issue but he feels odd to me. I feel cray is vanilla-y but don't have any strong backup for that. My PM partner is an absolute newbie and is generally real quiet. Which feels odd to me.

There are other patterns and details I can see but don't want to talk about as they don't give me a wolf/not wolf read and may give others more info by me talking bout it.
 
StayingPositive2017 said:
Yes, I can see that. If LIS were here, he would tell you not to answer for others because we want to hear their answers. Consider this a gentle tsk as a noob
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I don't think this was a tsk moment. He didn't really answer why Pippy hadn't responded, and if anything, it was not only a me, too comment, he also added his own thoughts to what's going on.

I think sometimes LIS is a little too strict with that rule anyway. Sometimes you really need others not to make excuses for others, and sometimes what they want to insinuate about why someone did something is just as informative.
 
Crayola227 said:
I don't think this was a tsk moment. He didn't really answer why Pippy hadn't responded, and if anything, it was not only a me, too comment, he also added his own thoughts to what's going on.

I think sometimes LIS is a little too strict with that rule anyway. Sometimes you really need others not to make excuses for others, and sometimes what they want to insinuate about why someone did something is just as informative.
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*She 😉
 
Crayola227 said:
I think sometimes LIS is a little too strict with that rule anyway. Sometimes you really need others not to make excuses for others, and sometimes what they want to insinuate about why someone did something is just as informative.
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I disagree. Most of the wolves I found last game was in part due to non-interjected responses to my questions. Vouches are fine, but answering for them can tamper with the process.
 
Crayola227 said:
I have redirected people I thought had power roles and could be wolves - and caught like 4/4 wolves.

Why are you not as keen on lynching Mel today? If you are less suspicious of Mel, why are you not more suspicious of Cowgirl?
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If you redirected me, then that was either an obnoxious choice or you are a wolf. Or both.

I am suspicious of Mel. I do not like the language I have seen from you about lynching Mel, and you are climbing up my sketch list unbelievably fast, so that is giving me pause.

People who are asking about where my vote is: I'm still weighing evidence and thinking about where I want to go with my vote today. Also it was like 2am and I needed to sleep, and just woke up. Decisions are for the daytime 😛
 
Crayola227 said:
I don't think this was a tsk moment. He didn't really answer why Pippy hadn't responded, and if anything, it was not only a me, too comment, he also added his own thoughts to what's going on.

I think sometimes LIS is a little too strict with that rule anyway. Sometimes you really need others not to make excuses for others, and sometimes what they want to insinuate about why someone did something is just as informative.
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That would be your opinion. I am specifically asking pippy why she hasn't voted yet.
 
Unofficial Day 3 Lynch Tally
staff (1) - Coop
SoFlo (1) - Lyra
dy (3) - vmh, jboo, AM
Mel (4) - Snowy, Sporty, Jil, Cray

9/24
lynch close in 12 hours
 
StayingPositive2017 said:
That would be your opinion. I am specifically asking pippy why she hasn't voted yet.
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Did you see my prior response? I am trying to work through the evidence in my head and decide whether it actually points to Mel being wolfy. I had a village read on him prior to when I was killed, so I wanted to hear his defense first. I'm still not satisfied with his explanation of why he was lying about knowing my role.

Again - I stopped posting because it was after 2am and I wanted to think through things a little more carefully today after I had like, coffee and stuff.
 
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