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cowgirl92 said:
I'm not sure if this is even still an issue, but I'm not sure why this was such a red flag for you. FWIW, I actually took how you worded that message to mean you were rezzed with powers (although possibly not the same ones). And yes, I realize that's easy to say now in my defense, but its true nevertheless. And my offer to role reveal in our PM still stands, if you have serious concerns about me being a wolf.
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I'm admittedly curious about why you'd lean that way instead of the opposite way, but I am still thinking about things a bit.
 
kcoughli said:
Has anyone besides Pippy been redirected? (not including maybe-dy) Could it be a defensive ability or item?
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Just putting this out there for shiggles:

My ultra uber Tin Hat Model T-5000 is that maybe staff wielder is a wolf and I keep getting pulled to seer him as village as like a hypnosis thing, and won't be able to properly seer anyone until we lynch him lol
 
PippyPony said:
Just putting this out there for shiggles:

My ultra uber Tin Hat Model T-5000 is that maybe staff wielder is a wolf and I keep getting pulled to seer him as village as like a hypnosis thing, and won't be able to properly seer anyone until we lynch him lol
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oh god yes
 
kcoughli said:
Has anyone besides Pippy been redirected? (not including maybe-dy) Could it be a defensive ability or item?
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Also adding to this just because I see no reason to hide info at this point since everyone knows my role:

- Original target before my death was Mel
- Target last 2 nights was someone different (was told my ability would maybe not work as well, didn't get results the first time so tried same target again and got same "staff wielder shows up instead" message as I did on N1)
 
PippyPony said:
Just putting this out there for shiggles:

My ultra uber Tin Hat Model T-5000 is that maybe staff wielder is a wolf and I keep getting pulled to seer him as village as like a hypnosis thing, and won't be able to properly seer anyone until we lynch him lol
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Or until mods strike them down for not participating
 
Sorry if this a dumb question, but how does a redirector know what/who to redirect? Or do you just have to randomly guess?
 
PippyPony said:
Just going to remind you that you really enjoy tunneling me when I am a villager these days. Exhibit A: last game.
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Didn't even offer to lynch you yet. I was merely stating that I'm nervous about the way you've been acting the last day or so. I'd like to see what happens to Mel before I decide what to do with you (or staff, given your tin foil hat theory)


cowgirl92 said:
Sorry if this a dumb question, but how does a redirector know what/who to redirect? Or do you just have to randomly guess?
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Usually you use a hunch and hope you're right.
 
SportPonies said:
Didn't even offer to lynch you yet. I was merely stating that I'm nervous about the way you've been acting the last day or so. I'd like to see what happens to Mel before I decide what to do with you (or staff, given your tin foil hat theory)
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Yup, I know, but given the level to which you tunneled me last game (which trust me -- I get) I figured I'd try to head that off at the pass 😉

And that is my second tinfoil hat theory, tyvm. The first, marginally less tinfoily hat idea is that I get auto-redirected off of wolves when I choose them as seer targets because I'm a lake (or was a lake) and lakes have waves.

I actually even have a third hypothesis kicking around, but it relies on:
- mods being meanies
- sharing my recent target, which is the only thing I am not sure I am ready to do

So I am less gungho on that one atm because these mods are lovely 😍
 
PippyPony said:
Yup, I know, but given the level to which you tunneled me last game (which trust me -- I get) I figured I'd try to head that off at the pass 😉

And that is my second tinfoil hat theory, tyvm.
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Sorry, I feel dense, but what is your second tinfoil hat theory?
 
PippyPony said:
Yup, I know, but given the level to which you tunneled me last game (which trust me -- I get) I figured I'd try to head that off at the pass 😉

And that is my second tinfoil hat theory, tyvm. The first, marginally less tinfoily hat idea is that I get auto-redirected off of wolves when I choose them as seer targets because I'm a lake (or was a lake) and lakes have waves.

I actually even have a third hypothesis kicking around, but it relies on:
- mods being meanies
- sharing my recent target, which is the only thing I am not sure I am ready to do

So I am less gungho on that one atm because these mods are lovely 😍
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I like your second tin foil hat theory better, so I don't know what that says about me haha. It just seems odd that you automatically go to staff every time.

Mind you, I haven't read the last few pages because I'm on a lunch break and have skimmed at best. I'll work on that tonight.
 
cowgirl92 said:
Sorry, I feel dense, but what is your second tinfoil hat theory?
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This:
PippyPony said:
Just putting this out there for shiggles:

My ultra uber Tin Hat Model T-5000 is that maybe staff wielder is a wolf and I keep getting pulled to seer him as village as like a hypnosis thing, and won't be able to properly seer anyone until we lynch him lol
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SportPonies said:
I like your second tin foil hat theory better, so I don't know what that says about me haha. It just seems odd that you automatically go to staff every time.
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I agree it is odd.

One of the reasons why I was on KC this morning, because if I'm actually getting deliberately redirected to him, I can imagine her sitting there and giggling to herself about it.

(Don't deny it, KC -- I feel like there are at least a few people who would looooove to send me in circles. You, Kara, dubz, PBC, Meats & Mel immediately come to mind as people who I think would immensely enjoy something like this).

Lack of evidence of other redirection is what makes me wonder if it is actually something about my role or the roles of the people I've been seering that is what is causing the weirdness.

Nerfing seering by giving inaccurate or otherwise occluded results could be a way to offset the power of having an affiliation seer in the game in the first place. Particularly one that receives night results upon death and rezzes with ability (somewhat) intact.

Which is why I was asking about Finn's preferences -- I'd still like to hear from others who have played her games in the past.

(ETA meats & Mel to list of people who I think would enjoy ****ing with my paranoia lol)
 
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Oh, but what I meant to say with regards to tin foil hat theory #2 is that I believe Staff is village based on how dy was trying to push that lynch D1 & D2.

I obviously could be reading the situation wrong but I saw wolf-village in those interactions, so I'm probably going to stick with my gut on that one.
 
Official Day 5 Remember the Robin Lynch Tally

Paws (1) - AM
Gryff (2) - jboo, BBC
CheezyD (3) - Mixed, Sporty, Jil

6/20
lynch close in 9.5 hours

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@PippyPony

I could go for Paws (based on Kara's doubts during her PM with me, she expressly stated to lynch paws if paws was alive when kara died), 3m, gryff (escaping lynch too many times), and sport based on my gut feeling.

lynch paws
 
Melchizedek said:
Thoughts on Lyra: ...
In any case she was my only PM partner yesterday so I had no choice but to role reveal and explain some things to her early in the day. She came back an hour or so after Dy got vig'd and messaged back with her role (which she didn't have to do. its not a role that is inherently village; I don't know how to interpret) and said that she thinks I'm village (but at that point most of the thread was thinking I was less wolfy because of the Dy flip, so idk if what I said convinced her or she was just sheeping the thread)

Overall I'm finding her sketchy, and her being busy in real life is muddling my read on her. I'd be willing to lynch here depending on how she responds to these accusations.
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I missed this in the excitement of yesterday.

Why would you role reveal to someone who you were suspicious of? And why were you forced to role reveal to her?

I guess I'm wondering what the timing was on this and whether you were actually in any danger or not.

@LyraGardenia thoughts on this PM exchange?
 
katashark said:
@PippyPony

I could go for Paws (based on Kara's doubts during her PM with me, she expressly stated to lynch paws if paws was alive when kara died), 3m, gryff (escaping lynch too many times), and sport based on my gut feeling.

lynch paws
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Did I miss you saying this earlier, or was this the first time you brought this up?
 
And follow up: can you quote that part of your PM* please? Kara is dead, should be no reason to protect her.

(*If this is allowed in rules. I forget but am about to go check).
 
katashark said:
@PippyPony

I could go for Paws (based on Kara's doubts during her PM with me, she expressly stated to lynch paws if paws was alive when kara died), 3m, gryff (escaping lynch too many times), and sport based on my gut feeling.

lynch paws
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This is kind of crazy, Kara's on thread critiques of me have all been grouped with critiques on other noobs as well. I took it as she was trying to help me give better reads. You have also been agreeing with all my reads so far, which I mentioned in my reads yesterday. I whole heartedly disagree with you on griff, he seems super noob, and after we all called 3m out, he had relevant things to contribute which is why i went with a lynch on FTB... who you also thought was sketchy in previous reads.

so what i hear you saying is you aren't sure who to lynch, so you are going off someone else's recommendation, even though your gut says Sporty?
 
StayingPositive2017 said:
This is kind of crazy, Kara's on thread critiques of me have all been grouped with critiques on other noobs as well. I took it as she was trying to help me give better reads. You have also been agreeing with all my reads so far, which I mentioned in my reads yesterday. I whole heartedly disagree with you on griff, he seems super noob, and after we all called 3m out, he had relevant things to contribute which is why i went with a lynch on FTB... who you also thought was sketchy in previous reads.

so what i hear you saying is you aren't sure who to lynch, so you are going off someone else's recommendation, even though your gut says Sporty?
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No
 
StayingPositive2017 said:
This is kind of crazy, Kara's on thread critiques of me have all been grouped with critiques on other noobs as well. I took it as she was trying to help me give better reads. You have also been agreeing with all my reads so far, which I mentioned in my reads yesterday. I whole heartedly disagree with you on griff, he seems super noob, and after we all called 3m out, he had relevant things to contribute which is why i went with a lynch on FTB... who you also thought was sketchy in previous reads.
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Mmm yeah I just skimmed through Kara's posts and that is not the sense I got. I do agree with your characterization of Kata's posts, but...

Kills me to do this to manatee but

Lynch Paws

Time for a little extra pressure here, me thinks
 
Official Day 5 Remember the Robin Lynch Tally

Paws (3) - AM, kata, Pip
Gryff (2) - jboo, BBC
CheezyD (4) - Mixed, Sporty, Jil, Coop

9/20
Lynch close 10pm EST (about 8.75 hours)

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PippyPony said:
Mmm yeah I just skimmed through Kara's posts and that is not the sense I got. I do agree with your characterization of Kata's posts, but...

Kills me to do this to manatee but

Lynch Paws

Time for a little extra pressure here, me thinks
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Not sure what the extra pressure will do, as I still am not getting why Kara would say "kill paws if i die" based on her thread posts alone.
I definitely don't see a griff vote, but could maybe see a Mel vote, though I was leaning dy during that craziness. You've mentored and wolfed with me so I feel like you can see i read things totally different and wrong from everyone else sometimes. Most of your suggestions as a mentor went over my head if you recall. Do you have any specific questions you want answered?
 
MixedAnimals77 said:
For all of you, I have a strong suspicion to boot Mel today also after item use yesterday in which results could not be found for Mel. So unless there is strong evidence against....
Lynch Mel
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@LyraGardenia I would also like to know if this checks out, given what Mel revealed to you about his role
 
PippyPony said:
I agree it is odd.

One of the reasons why I was on KC this morning, because if I'm actually getting deliberately redirected to him, I can imagine her sitting there and giggling to herself about it.

(Don't deny it, KC -- I feel like there are at least a few people who would looooove to send me in circles. You, Kara, dubz, PBC, Meats & Mel immediately come to mind as people who I think would immensely enjoy something like this).

Lack of evidence of other redirection is what makes me wonder if it is actually something about my role or the roles of the people I've been seering that is what is causing the weirdness.

Nerfing seering by giving inaccurate or otherwise occluded results could be a way to offset the power of having an affiliation seer in the game in the first place. Particularly one that receives night results upon death and rezzes with ability (somewhat) intact.

Which is why I was asking about Finn's preferences -- I'd still like to hear from others who have played her games in the past.

(ETA meats & Mel to list of people who I think would enjoy ****ing with my paranoia lol)
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I'm a bit hurt I'm not included in any of the above lists. 😉
 
PippyPony said:
Elaborating further -- curious that you would assume I came back powerless when someone was fishing for info about that.

Same someone who I told to get Mel lynched if I died.

Makes me wonder if there is actually a little communication loop going on
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So now you've told one person two pieces of information and now we're getting wolfy outcomes from that? How are you not lynching here?

Jilary said:
This feels so wolfy to me. Can we please Lynch mel now?
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PippyPony said:
There is something I am toying around with in my mind, which is that perhaps there is actually no redirector at all and it is just my role mechanic to kick back onto a villager when I seer a wolf.

The message I get is about bringing someone to my shore, but [always staff wielder, so cute] shows up instead. So my tinfoil hat idea is that that is my notification for wolf seering: auto redirect onto a villager as kind of a "wave" mechanic that would match with my role.

In that case, then yeah, lynching Mel would get us that info. And then we would also know another wolf because of who I tried to seer last night.

Could be a chance that dy was lying about being redirected, particularly if redirector does exist and is wolfy.
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Occam's Razor Pippy.

Jilary said:
That he knew pips role and she was hit with two wolf abilities, seems like excess considering on thread it was just known she had an ability. The next day when cowgirl outed that info, he made a big fanfare about not knowing pips ability, it wasn’t until after pip came back that he clarified that he didn’t know her ability until after he posted on thread that she shouldn’t be lynched. And now that last post, the last line about his reads being crap this game just doesn’t feel genuine to me. It feels like a wolf going “golly jeepers guys, I just haven’t been finding wolves well this game.”
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You're tunneling in the worst way. I felt brain fart last night after running around all day, don't blow it up into something its not.

Jilary said:
I definitely think dy was lying about being redirected.
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No duh, she was a wolf, of course she was lying.

MixedAnimals77 said:
Sure, the handmap could not detect his location. Per the 2 previous wolves dy was construction which is not a location while greeny was buckeyes which although represents Ohio is not a location.
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Pay attention there are non-location based roles that could have kicked back the same result.

edit: Someone already pointed this out.

MixedAnimals77 said:
True, I forgot they were not locations either. However, Mel was very interested in who had the hand map yesterday for some reason. Somethings are sketch about everything that went on with pippy and such, but FTB before death seemed to think Mel was worth more investigating leaning toward lynching.
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Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't care who had it, I was wondering how the mechanic works.

PippyPony said:
Just putting this out there for shiggles:

My ultra uber Tin Hat Model T-5000 is that maybe staff wielder is a wolf and I keep getting pulled to seer him as village as like a hypnosis thing, and won't be able to properly seer anyone until we lynch him lol
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or maybe Staff has been an unseerable wolf since the beginning so they knew to redirect you on to him again and again to keep clearing him and no one else?
PippyPony said:
I missed this in the excitement of yesterday.

Why would you role reveal to someone who you were suspicious of? And why were you forced to role reveal to her?

I guess I'm wondering what the timing was on this and whether you were actually in any danger or not.

@LyraGardenia thoughts on this PM exchange?
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I trusted her just enough to reveal my role name, nothing else, and this amount of trust was based on the fact that she at the time was picking up on the same AM weirdness that I was and I thought that it wouldn't have been a good wolf move
It was 4:48 a.m. and I did it early so she had reason to believe me instead of thinking that I'm a wolf last minute scrambling.
 
PippyPony said:
Just putting this out there for shiggles:

My ultra uber Tin Hat Model T-5000 is that maybe staff wielder is a wolf and I keep getting pulled to seer him as village as like a hypnosis thing, and won't be able to properly seer anyone until we lynch him lol
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This is kind of an insane theory. Don't you think the simpler explanation is that a wolf redirector is ****ing with you?
PippyPony said:
@vetmedhead

Since you are in my head so much this game, I would love to hear your thoughts about remaining players
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Currently pinging my radar is paws, Lyra, Mel, and maybe sporty. I can see where you're coming from with KC but unless she was the convert I just can't see her being an original with two rezzes. DVMD has dropped off the past couple of days but that's well within her normal play so nothing that really sets me off (I think I'm just forever suspicious because she's snowed me hard as a wolf in past games and I've just accepted I can't read her for **** lol). I am also now recognizing that I thought staff and soflo were the same person and I felt like this amalgamation person was village lol.
Give me a minute to do the rest of this. I hate making reads lists so it's gonna take me a minute lol.
PippyPony said:
And, did you have a reason for this vote?
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I recognized that most of my reasoning for voting lyra was because I'm illiterate so I pursued the other player I had suspicions about at the time. I still have a bad feeling about lyra in my gut but I can't justify it with any good reasoning at the moment and it's making me feel like I'm slipping into a tunnelling situation.
 
StayingPositive2017 said:
So how much time does Kata get to fake these quotes before she posts them? If they are that obvious, 15 minutes probably should have been enough time?
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It was consistent with the formatting I was looking for. Which is not saying much, particularly given delay, but I'm breaking into playing-dirty territory and will take what I can get at this point.
 
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