Time To Get a WWatch - Game Thread

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potentialsheltervet said:
Garlicky
JJJ
April
AM
Santy

An Unknown Flavor
genny
Sporty
Nate
samac

Truenamer
Truenamer

Much Too Spicy
Clem
Empire

Hmm but this list distresses me
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Confoosed why you are voting someone in neutrals instead of one of your wolf reads

Also LOLing at Truenamer in his own category 😂
 
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Okay, here are our reads. If I have incorrectly tallied anything, please let me know.

To read the chart, the names in the left column are the people who participated live (or close to live) in the exercise. The names in the top row are the players being read gun-to-head. A green box is a town read. A red box is a mafia read. On the bottom, you see the total number of each read that every player received. On the far right, you see the total number of each read that the participants in the exercise gave.

I will need to look over this briefly to develop some impressions, but a few interesting things emerge immediately:

~ Truenamer and NateTheLesser gave identical reads with one exception (True town reads Nate, but Nate mafia reads True). They're both deep in the POE right now, and their similar perspective about what that implies could prove to be quite important as we move forward in the gamestate.

~ genny is trusted by SDN regulars and doubted by visitors (with the exception of True). Meta reads may be needed to sort that out.

~ Sporty remains a black void, with even splits here and no discernible trend about who's giving each read (some newcomers and some locals both ways). The same applies technically applies to Empire, at least statistically.

~ Nobody calling AM mafia surprised me a little bit. If any mafia participated in this game (not necessarily a guarantee), this might signify that they conceded a town read to us (one that is correct) on AM instead of trying to add a voice of resistance.

I'll share whatever thoughts I have as they come to mind.
 
Aprilthearab said:
Confoosed why you are voting someone in neutrals instead of one of your wolf reads

Also LOLing at Truenamer in his own category 😂
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I don't know. Let's see what happens.
Mafia stars and celebrities, what do they know, do they know things? Let's find out.
 
I am conflicted. Since I like the spice approach from psv. But at the same time Im like 'Dont you dare touch my child'
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
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Okay, here are our reads. If I have incorrectly tallied anything, please let me know.

To read the chart, the names in the left column are the people who participated live (or close to live) in the exercise. The names in the top row are the players being read gun-to-head. A green box is a town read. A red box is a mafia read. On the bottom, you see the total number of each read that every player received. On the far right, you see the total number of each read that the participants in the exercise gave.

I will need to look over this briefly to develop some impressions, but a few interesting things emerge immediately:

~ Truenamer and NateTheLesser gave identical reads with one exception (True town reads Nate, but Nate mafia reads True). They're both deep in the POE right now, and their similar perspective about what that implies could prove to be quite important as we move forward in the gamestate.

~ genny is trusted by SDN regulars and doubted by visitors (with the exception of True). Meta reads may be needed to sort that out.

~ Sporty remains a black void, with even splits here and no discernible trend about who's giving each read (some newcomers and some locals both ways). The same applies technically applies to Empire, at least statistically.

~ Nobody calling AM mafia surprised me a little bit. If any mafia participated in this game (not necessarily a guarantee), this might signify that they conceded a town read to us (one that is correct) on AM instead of trying to add a voice of resistance.

I'll share whatever thoughts I have as they come to mind.
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If it's unclear, "TN" is Truenamer. Excel is annoying when I try to write "True" because it becomes a logical value or something.
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
~ Sporty remains a black void, with even splits here and no discernible trend about who's giving each read (some newcomers and some locals both ways). The same applies technically applies to Empire, at least statistically.
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I don't know of anyone who can read Sporty lol. The first two people I considered are modding.
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
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Okay, here are our reads. If I have incorrectly tallied anything, please let me know.

To read the chart, the names in the left column are the people who participated live (or close to live) in the exercise. The names in the top row are the players being read gun-to-head. A green box is a town read. A red box is a mafia read. On the bottom, you see the total number of each read that every player received. On the far right, you see the total number of each read that the participants in the exercise gave.

I will need to look over this briefly to develop some impressions, but a few interesting things emerge immediately:

~ Truenamer and NateTheLesser gave identical reads with one exception (True town reads Nate, but Nate mafia reads True). They're both deep in the POE right now, and their similar perspective about what that implies could prove to be quite important as we move forward in the gamestate.

~ genny is trusted by SDN regulars and doubted by visitors (with the exception of True). Meta reads may be needed to sort that out.

~ Sporty remains a black void, with even splits here and no discernible trend about who's giving each read (some newcomers and some locals both ways). The same applies technically applies to Empire, at least statistically.

~ Nobody calling AM mafia surprised me a little bit. If any mafia participated in this game (not necessarily a guarantee), this might signify that they conceded a town read to us (one that is correct) on AM instead of trying to add a voice of resistance.

I'll share whatever thoughts I have as they come to mind.
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I haven't had enough time (or brains) to absorb the reads implication of this, but I am very pleased by this chart
 
My initial reaction is of surprise of how red Clem column is tbh. I dont recall something particularly wolfy from them, even tho I can see that they didnt do nothing to out their wolfrange
 
Truenamer said:
I was in that chat, yes. I certainly didn't say that I was going to start busing.
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I don't mean to imply that. Just that it wouldn't surprise me if someone in the POE made the strategic decision to bus a partner also deep in the POE after the discussion we had.
But I'm not going to put words in your mouth and idk how I feel about you rn anyway
 
genny is an extremely important slot to sort, I think. I couldn't even explain clearly what makes me lean mafia on her, but that's kind of the point of the exercise. It's pure gut.

If the SDN regulars believe genny is town, a little meta interpretation might be very valuable here.
 
Santygrass said:
My initial reaction is of surprise of how red Clem column is tbh. I dont recall something particularly wolfy from them, even tho I can see that they didnt do nothing to out their wolfrange
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Yeah that also surprised me for the same reason as genny. I felt more like people were just using clem as a wolfy placeholder until he provided more content so I'm not sure if the reads are genuine wolf reads or "golly gee I need to pick a wolf, clem works I guess"

The same logic probably applies to genny with how low her activity has been
 
Truenamer said:
Me too, good thing I'm not.

If I ever decided to be flexible on that rule, it sure as heck would not be halfway through D1 with a bunch of people I don't know very well.
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Could you tell me about what was discussed in there if Sporty/PSV don't get to it first?
 
Santygrass said:
At the start yeah. Now I have them in V-Lean .
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Mk, I thought I remembered they weren't town core, couldn't remember if that was null or leans. Because I would HIGHLY protest Jay being Null of all things.
 
If there are three mafia, then we only get two misses in this game (barring mechanical intrigue), so every single elimination is critical. Teamwork makes the dreamwork. This is probably obvious, but I like to emphasize it anyway.

There is no mafia read on the board that I truly feel comfortable with. I am getting a general impression that this is a growing feeling? Or does anyone have a mafia read that makes them feel pretty confident (by Day 1 standards)?
 
I'm a little unclear on the chat of [I think] an external chat of some sort. If this isn't considered out-of-game information (no judgment either way, just unfamiliar with the rules and norms here), it'd be helpful to me to know why this is important. It very well might be important, I'm just not aware of what's being discussed.

Does Truenamer's perspective on bussing matter before we have any flips?
 
Aprilthearab said:
Yeah that also surprised me for the same reason as genny. I felt more like people were just using clem as a wolfy placeholder until he provided more content so I'm not sure if the reads are genuine wolf reads or "golly gee I need to pick a wolf, clem works I guess"

The same logic probably applies to genny with how low her activity has been
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Also probably that Jay/Clem have been the most polarized in terms of approach to each other (at least Clem's approach to Jay). So the universal townread of Jay kinda skews the perception of Clem.
 
NateTheLesser said:
I thought your POE post towards Jay was pingy, and vote for me was potentially pingy. But your solving picked up the last few pages, so.

If you had a green check on me, where would you move your vote? Since it sounds like you still think True is more towny than not.
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probably clem which is a yawn of a day 1 vote but from his stuff so far i wouldn't be broken up over it
 
Aprilthearab said:
Yeah that also surprised me for the same reason as genny. I felt more like people were just using clem as a wolfy placeholder until he provided more content so I'm not sure if the reads are genuine wolf reads or "golly gee I need to pick a wolf, clem works I guess"

The same logic probably applies to genny with how low her activity has been
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from experience with clem i'd say his play so far is +scum but i wouldn't be stunned if he flipped green or anything
 
I wouldn't call Clem a confident mafia read, but the timeline of his vote for me and his play in general is pretty baffling. Might be the closest I get to a proper suspicion.
 
Day 1: Is it TTime to Start a Tally?

PSV ()
April ()
True (3) - samac, Nate, Sporty
Nate (3) - Santy, AM, Empire
AM ()
JJJ (1) - Clem
Santy ()
Empire (1) - April
samac (1) - PSV
Sporty (1) - genny
Clem (1) - JJJ

11/12

Winning: @NateTheLesser @Truenamer
Missing: @Truenamer
Vote closes at 9pm CDT WEDNESDAY (TODAY!) (< 2.75 hours)
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JaggedJimmyJay said:
Typically when I do that I would prefer more people take part, but if I only get three -- Nate, True, and AM are almost the perfect three for it to be. See? Tee hee. No fee.
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alas my dinnertime kept me from participating
 
Oh for some reason I thought there was less than an hour to EoD wowee. I can walk my dog then and be more available after
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
I'm a little unclear on the chat of [I think] an external chat of some sort. If this isn't considered out-of-game information (no judgment either way, just unfamiliar with the rules and norms here), it'd be helpful to me to know why this is important. It very well might be important, I'm just not aware of what's being discussed.

Does Truenamer's perspective on bussing matter before we have any flips?
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At least for pairings it matters to me. That's why I'm trying to clear up why PSV/Sporty think otherwise.
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
If there are three mafia, then we only get two misses in this game (barring mechanical intrigue), so every single elimination is critical. Teamwork makes the dreamwork. This is probably obvious, but I like to emphasize it anyway.

There is no mafia read on the board that I truly feel comfortable with. I am getting a general impression that this is a growing feeling? Or does anyone have a mafia read that makes them feel pretty confident (by Day 1 standards)?
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Also I vibe with the feeling on the second paragraph. Like, I feel much more confident in my trs than my sr , but I think thats usually the norm for me?
 
Animal Midwife said:
Could you bring that discussion here since True was in that PM?
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Well, I essentially voiced annoyance with having an extremely limited number of people to push because so many of the current regular players had cleared themselves voting for Cray. We talked about that a bit.
JaggedJimmyJay said:
I'm a little unclear on the chat of [I think] an external chat of some sort. If this isn't considered out-of-game information (no judgment either way, just unfamiliar with the rules and norms here), it'd be helpful to me to know why this is important. It very well might be important, I'm just not aware of what's being discussed.

Does Truenamer's perspective on bussing matter before we have any flips?
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So the chat was wolfchat in last game, which I was in. True and Sporty were in it too because they were mods.
*However* the more we talk about it the more I think it verges on OGI and since True himself said it doesn't mean he's going to start bussing probably best to drop it.
 
Truenamer said:
V
V
...ugh. Struggling with him. Probably V.

unyeet NatetheLesser.
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I thought this was a decent moment for Truenamer, and it might have even impacted my gun-to-head reads as they were happening. I was struggling with my Nate read too in that moment and still am, and I think it's encouraging that True is trying to process that here and even went for the town read. Nate's an easy mafia read if you need suspects right now, so... good moment.
 
Truenamer said:
Y'all better at least skim this!

These four posts constitute Nate's entrance to the thread. Very inoffensive from my perspective, I appreciate the bio/intro. No real content in these.



Still no content. I certainly can't throw stones for being busy, but we're getting fairly far in and so far his question to JJJ about Empire's read is the only gameplay.


Bit of an abrupt snap-vote on AM. I'd given him village points for this; I think any wolf who's played with AM knows better than to go after her early (or at least without something really solid). But on review, he hasn't played with her very much, and it was an unusual game. Might have given too much weight to that.


Don't think I responded to this properly. I use "Hmm" reacts to mean something in the range from "that's interesting but I don't know if I fully agree" to "I wonder why". In this case, yes, I was curious about the rationale.


His reaction to AM's counter-vote felt relaxed and villagey at the time.


Very even-keeled about Empire's wolfread on him.


More discussion with AM, re: his vote for her. This seemed like acceptable reason for a D1 vote over a day before yeet close to me.



Back to minimal content/gameplay.


And that's it, all his posts. This one is being mildly helpful again.

I believe I overweighted Nate's one vote on AM as being too risky for a wolf, given that he may not be familiar with how hard she reacts to early votes on her, and am a bit biased because he's friendly and lighthearted. He shouldn't be higher than my neutrals.
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Truenamer said:
I suppose it's not helpful to hold it too long, huh?

Yeet NatetheLesser

Come show up and give me a reason to change this.
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Aprilthearab said:
I know this might be a big ask but can you quote your own posts about Nate leading up to this vote? Headed to work rn but trying to figure out why this feels manufactured, might change my mind with context
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Truenamer said:
I just did a bit ISO of every one of his posts like, half a page up
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Okay, went back and read the ISO. Did not find what I was expecting (like, actual reasons to sus Nate) and instead found a list of quotes each followed by "I thought this was village at first, but now I'm not so sure"

Yeah I still think the True vote on Nate was weird. I understand pushes on low-posting players for more activity and content, but that's not what I'm weirded out by. I'm struck by the tone of "I guess I have to put a vote somewhere before people start getting annoyed that I haven't yet so I'll just put it on a neutral read and make it seem threatening when it's really just a way to try to look busy" which is something I at least know I've done as a wolf a lot
 
Animal Midwife said:
At least for pairings it matters to me. That's why I'm trying to clear up why PSV/Sporty think otherwise.
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Well, I think it's going to bring up a bad conversation so I'm done with that for now. He said he wouldn't be bussing right now so, we'll see.
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
I thought this was a decent moment for Truenamer, and it might have even impacted my gun-to-head reads as they were happening. I was struggling with my Nate read too in that moment and still am, and I think it's encouraging that True is trying to process that here and even went for the town read. Nate's an easy mafia read if you need suspects right now, so... good moment.
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I also tend to want to give town points for switching a vote in a way that puts themself in danger (even though that's something I often do regardless of alignment).
 
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