Wayne State vs. EVMS...need your opinions!

[davattic]

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Hey, everyone
As an OOS applicant, I've been lucky enough to be accepted by Wayne State and EVMS. As the May 15 deadline is approaching, I have to pick one of these schools, and right now I'm leaning towards EVMS based on this pro/con list I've been making. I really don't pay attention to so-called the "reputation" of a school, but I'm definitely curious as to where students at Wayne State and EVMS do their residency. Anyway I want to know which school your guys think is a better choice (need second opinions before making full commitment😳), and especially I'd love to hear from current medical students at these schools. Here is my pro/con list, and let me know if I'm missing something. Thanks!


Wayne State

<Pros>
Awesome clinical rotation sites (I personally liked the underground tunnel because you don't have to walk outside during winter.😀)
Lots of trauma cases
New medical building/library
Abundant research opportunities
University affiliation

<Cons>
Outrageous OOS tuition ($60,000+)
Enormous class size (300+) => presence of cliques/less interaction among students
Location => relatively high crime rates in Detroit (although not as bad as they used to be)
Rather homogeneous demographics of Detroit



EVMS

<Pros>
Outstanding clinical education (standardized patients, Sentara and the pediatric hospitals on campus...etc)
Longitudinal Generalist Mentorship
Reasonable OOS tuition (~$44,000)
Location (Norfolk seems like a small town with a bit of urban touch/ less crime rates compared to those in Detroit)
Small class size (a little over 100)
Laidback/cooperative school atmosphere
Lots of community service opportunities
Close to Virginia Beach (Yes!)
Reasonable proximity to big cities like DC, Philly....etc

<Cons>
Too clinically oriented?
No affiliation with a university => less research opportunities
No sports team😛

 

[AdmiralChz]

These are some good pros and cons. Norfolk isn't that much of a small town (try Charlottesville some time), and its urban areas have been revitalized in the past 15 or so years and are pretty nice now, lots of young people hang out there.

That being said, while I don't know for sure about either, I imagine that graduates do residencies in the same general vicinity of the schools - so Upper Midwest for Wayne State, Mid-Atlantic for EVMS. You can't really go wrong with either - congrats on your acceptances!

 

[tiedyeddog]

Seems like the difference is almost 80,000 dollars.... Go with EVMS. (Isn't Wayne S. In Detroit?! Do people actually choose to live in detroit?!)

 

[AdmiralChz]

Seems like the difference is almost 80,000 dollars.... Go with EVMS. (Isn't Wayne S. In Detroit?! Do people actually choose to live in detroit?!)

I was thinking the SAME thing!!!!

 

[tiedyeddog]

I was thinking the SAME thing!!!!

Seriously, hell on earth.

How important is doing research to you? Do you plan on doing it for sure? Wayne State might be a better choice but I'm sure EVMS would have opportunities there you just need to look early in order to lock it up for the summer.

 

[JeebusMcJones]

Seriously, hell on earth.

How important is doing research to you? Do you plan on doing it for sure? Wayne State might be a better choice but I'm sure EVMS would have opportunities there you just need to look early in order to lock it up for the summer.

I choose to live here and I love it. davattic, if you have any specific questions feel free to PM me, or just reply, whatever. I posted the Wayne State 2009 match list here: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=7965671&postcount=279

 

[virusgirl]

I don't claim to know anything about Wayne State, but I really liked EVMS a lot. In particular, I think their standardized patient program is top-notch. If it's cheaper, I would definitely go with EVMS.

 

[RoadRunner17]

Wayne State's a good school, but I would consider it reasonable to go only if I was an in-state resident (which I am). But you're looking at $60,000+/year... just based on cost alone I would have to vote for EVMS.

 

[DrYoda]

Seems like the difference is almost 80,000 dollars.... Go with EVMS. (Isn't Wayne S. In Detroit?! Do people actually choose to live in detroit?!)

This pretty much sums up my thoughts.

 

[1010btf]

Grats on getting accepted mate
What stats did you need to get into WSU as an OOS?(If you dont mind sharing)

 

[medhearter]

both schools have essentially the same kinda match lists

why don't u think of which city/school you'd like to spend the next 4 yrs of your life.

from what i understand about wayne state, there isn't a lot of interaction you neccessarily get from your classmates, evbdy streams the lecs, and seriously, the campus looks beyond depressing :S

how was the feel at evms?

 

[JeebusMcJones]

both schools have essentially the same kinda match lists

why don't u think of which city/school you'd like to spend the next 4 yrs of your life.

from what i understand about wayne state, there isn't a lot of interaction you neccessarily get from your classmates, evbdy streams the lecs, and seriously, the campus looks beyond depressing :S

how was the feel at evms?

Right, except none of those things are actually true. I go to class every day and so does a good portion of people, we go out every week (except exam week... we go out after ) and the campus is great, especially with the new building. The undergrad campus is too, I spend a lot of time there. And why do premeds get so anal about streaming lectures? do you honestly think it's going to matter at ALL to you when you're in the middle of this **** fest we call med school?

 

[medhearter]

Right, except none of those things are actually true. I go to class every day and so does a good portion of people, we go out every week (except exam week... we go out after ) and the campus is great, especially with the new building. The undergrad campus is too, I spend a lot of time there. And why do premeds get so anal about streaming lectures? do you honestly think it's going to matter at ALL to you when you're in the middle of this **** fest we call med school?

i'm actually on the waiting list and really wish they'd accept me despite how depressing it looks, how much it costs, and how the students seem like they're studying all the time. but i dont understand why you're denying the truth in how depressing it looks and how the WSU students DO spend a great deal of more time to themselves and to studying than students at ... any other school

as for residencies, note that only 88% of this year's grads matched into residency programs. i'm going to guess this had to do with the depressing.

so to the OP, please go to EVMS! (for me) and (if you want to) and too many clinical opportunities is not a con.

on another note, i remember my interviewer telling me that its not advisable to do research while at school. the best time to do research would be over your summers. in that case, you have all of america open to you. network and do research in something that excites you, not just something thats at wayne.

 

[DrYoda]

and how the students seem like they're studying all the time.

I'm pretty sure this is a trait shared by the majority of medical students, regardless of school.

as for residencies, note that only 88% of this year's grads matched into residency programs. i'm going to guess this had to do with the depressing

What are the remaining 12% doing? Research years? You have to know what this remaining group is up to before you declare it a bad thing.

 

[medhearter]

I'm pretty sure this is a trait shared by the majority of medical students, regardless of school.



What are the remaining 12% doing? Research years? You have to know what this remaining group is up to before you declare it a bad thing.

you're absolutely right in that studying is an important part of medical school. i'm just comparing my experience in meeting WSU students vs. students from SLU, and probably making a leap of an assumption when I say the avg WSU student is more immersed than the avg med student anywhere else. but hey,

the WSU student says: "med school is a **** fest" or "you have to study all the time - that's important" or "going to class is boring anyway" or "knowing our profs? why do we need to get to know our profs?" or "there is no time to do research - too much to study for" or "i dont stick around the campus over breaks, its boring - unless i've got to study" or "i can't wait till i'm done here"

the SLU student says: "med school has been the best time of my life" and "everybody here is really involved in pursuing things that really matter to them" and "ha - u think we study all the time? theres much more to medical school than just studying" and "we have a lot of fun in class" and "we have a great sense of comaraderie here" and "its really important to seek your unique strengths and interests in medicine - and this place really gives you the support to do that"

 

[gujuDoc]

Hey, everyone
As an OOS applicant, I've been lucky enough to be accepted by Wayne State and EVMS. As the May 15 deadline is approaching, I have to pick one of these schools, and right now I'm leaning towards EVMS based on this pro/con list I've been making. I really don't pay attention to so-called the "reputation" of a school, but I'm definitely curious as to where students at Wayne State and EVMS do their residency. Anyway I want to know which school your guys think is a better choice (need second opinions before making full commitment😳), and especially I'd love to hear from current medical students at these schools. Here is my pro/con list, and let me know if I'm missing something. Thanks!


Wayne State

<Pros>
Awesome clinical rotation sites (I personally liked the underground tunnel because you don't have to walk outside during winter.😀)
Lots of trauma cases
New medical building/library
Abundant research opportunities
University affiliation

<Cons>
Outrageous OOS tuition ($60,000+)
Enormous class size (300+) => presence of cliques/less interaction among students
Location => relatively high crime rates in Detroit (although not as bad as they used to be)
Rather homogeneous demographics of Detroit



EVMS

<Pros>
Outstanding clinical education (standardized patients, Sentara and the pediatric hospitals on campus...etc)
Longitudinal Generalist Mentorship
Reasonable OOS tuition (~$44,000)
Location (Norfolk seems like a small town with a bit of urban touch/ less crime rates compared to those in Detroit)
Small class size (a little over 100)
Laidback/cooperative school atmosphere
Lots of community service opportunities
Close to Virginia Beach (Yes!)
Reasonable proximity to big cities like DC, Philly....etc

<Cons>
Too clinically oriented?
No affiliation with a university => less research opportunities
No sports team😛

I think you have answered your own question. It seems like your gut is telling you that you'd fit in at EVMS. either way both are great schools.

EVMS is in a very army rich kinda city from what I've heard. The south is of course going to be smaller but I've heard great things about EVMS from the Med masters kids who are most likely going there next year and from former med masters kids who got in there for med school.

I've heard good things about wayne state but based on cost and your preference for smaller class sizes, i'd go to EVMS.

 

[JeebusMcJones]

i'm actually on the waiting list and really wish they'd accept me despite how depressing it looks, how much it costs, and how the students seem like they're studying all the time. but i dont understand why you're denying the truth in how depressing it looks and how the WSU students DO spend a great deal of more time to themselves and to studying than students at ... any other school

as for residencies, note that only 88% of this year's grads matched into residency programs. i'm going to guess this had to do with the depressing.

so to the OP, please go to EVMS! (for me) and (if you want to) and too many clinical opportunities is not a con.

on another note, i remember my interviewer telling me that its not advisable to do research while at school. the best time to do research would be over your summers. in that case, you have all of america open to you. network and do research in something that excites you, not just something thats at wayne.

Denying the truth? I absolutely love it here, so apparently you're wrong on that front. I'm having a difficult time understanding how you came to the conclusion that Wayne students are inherently more secluded. You have no basis for that claim. And yeah dude, I study pretty much all the time. My friends at Michigan and MSU study all the time. My friends in the Caribbean study all the freakin time.

The match rate is normally 95%, it was lower this year because a whole lot of people (some of whom I know and are fantastic candidates) ranked less that 4 programs. Anyone will tell you that's essentially a death sentence.

Furthermore, the "big class" argument makes no sense. The class is 290 kids. Large when compared to most med schools, but I went to an undergrad with 40,000 people. My high school class had 600 kids. You're not going to have 289 best friends, but if you can't make friends or interact because there are a few more students in your class that's your fault, not anyone elses.

And finally, I sincerely hope you get in. The waitlist is long and painful, but it moves. I was on it until mid-June. One of my friends was taken off the waitlist 2 days before orientation. Anyways, good luck and stop being such a premed.

 

[gujuDoc]

i'm actually on the waiting list and really wish they'd accept me despite how depressing it looks, how much it costs, and how the students seem like they're studying all the time. but i dont understand why you're denying the truth in how depressing it looks and how the WSU students DO spend a great deal of more time to themselves and to studying than students at ... any other school

as for residencies, note that only 88% of this year's grads matched into residency programs. i'm going to guess this had to do with the depressing.

so to the OP, please go to EVMS! (for me) and (if you want to) and too many clinical opportunities is not a con.

on another note, i remember my interviewer telling me that its not advisable to do research while at school. the best time to do research would be over your summers. in that case, you have all of america open to you. network and do research in something that excites you, not just something thats at wayne.

I heard the 88% was the percentage that matched into TOP CHOICE i.e. CHOICE NUMERO UNO for residency. not the percent that actually matched. My friend interviewed a few weeks ago and was told this.

Edit: I just saw the WSU student's comments so maybe it was 88% percent overall that matched and my friend misunderstood. but it still stands that that is what i heard.

 

[JeebusMcJones]

you're absolutely right in that studying is an important part of medical school. i'm just comparing my experience in meeting WSU students vs. students from SLU, and probably making a leap of an assumption when I say the avg WSU student is more immersed than the avg med student anywhere else. but hey,

the WSU student says: "med school is a **** fest" or "you have to study all the time - that's important" or "going to class is boring anyway" or "knowing our profs? why do we need to get to know our profs?" or "there is no time to do research - too much to study for" or "i dont stick around the campus over breaks, its boring - unless i've got to study" or "i can't wait till i'm done here"

the SLU student says: "med school has been the best time of my life" and "everybody here is really involved in pursuing things that really matter to them" and "ha - u think we study all the time? theres much more to medical school than just studying" and "we have a lot of fun in class" and "we have a great sense of comaraderie here" and "its really important to seek your unique strengths and interests in medicine - and this place really gives you the support to do that"

Dude, that's a whole bunch of bull**** and everyone who's been in med school longer than an interview day knows it.

BTW, I was accepted at SLU. Nice school, but what you're saying doesn't really hold true.

 

[JeebusMcJones]

I heard the 88% was the percentage that matched into TOP CHOICE i.e. CHOICE NUMERO UNO for residency. not the percent that actually matched. My friend interviewed a few weeks ago and was told this.

No, that's not true. If 88% matched top 1 then some money must have been exchanging hands...

 

[gujuDoc]

also videostreamlining is a god sent gift. You may think it diminishes interaction but truth is even those that go to class love it for being able to watch it over if they didn't catch something. also it really allows one to be more flexible in their own schedule. You will find that once you are immersed in med school, it might actually make your life easier to know you can watch it later if you are not the kind to sit in a lecture hall for 8 hours. It gives you an extra hour of sleep or so sometimes. It helps when you miss something. It has numerous benefits. We have it at USF and I did a grad program there so i should know. i loved that feature.

 

[gujuDoc]

No, that's not true. If 88% matched top 1 then some money must have been exchanging hands...

Oh ok. I don't if my friend misunderstood or the interviewer misunderstood her question.

 

[gujuDoc]

Dude, that's a whole bunch of bull**** and everyone who's been in med school longer than an interview day knows it.

BTW, I was accepted at SLU. Nice school, but what you're saying doesn't really hold true.

agreed.

Medheater,

Keep in mind that a lot of people put on an impression on interview day but when you get to med school you will often find out that it is not necessarily how they really are or how they really feel about the school.

I know that a lot of people have had this sorta experience here in Florida in the past. I'm sure the same holds at SLU.

also if you are going based on a few handful of students then that is a poor way to make a decision. Year to year people may feel differently about a school. It does not say anything about a school so much as a given student.

 

[medhearter]

Dude, that's a whole bunch of bull**** and everyone who's been in med school longer than an interview day knows it.

BTW, I was accepted at SLU. Nice school, but what you're saying doesn't really hold true.

heh
no as surprising as it may seem ( i was surprised too )
those are actual things that were said
you seem in shock because you think every med student experiences the WSU experience...

when i went to SLU i was hosted by a student, and she managed to get like 15 people to come out on a Monday night. I went to class too and met a number of 2nd year students. and essentially they shared the same sentiments

when i was hosted by a WSU student she said "nobody really goes to class, i'm going to see if i can ask my friend to come out - but she's usually really busy - we all have a lot to study - even tho exams are done - its really hard - med schools real tough - real tough - i feel like i work so hard - but yea i'm at the middle of the class - yea we're graded on a curve - and theres a lotta gunners - i dont personally know them though"

 

[JeebusMcJones]

heh
no as surprising as it may seem ( i was surprised too )
those are actual things that were said
when i went to SLU i was hosted by a student, and she managed to get like 15 people to come out on a Monday night. I went to class too and met a number of 2nd year students. and essentially they shared the same sentiments

when i was hosted by a WSU student she said "nobody really goes to class, i'm going to see if i can ask my friend to come out - but she's usually really busy - we all have a lot to study - even tho exams are done - its really hard - med schools real tough - real tough - i feel like i work so hard - but yea i'm at the middle of the class - yea we're graded on a curve - and theres a lotta gunners - i dont personally know them though"

You do realize this could have been the result of an infinite number of incidental or personal issues, right? A bunch of us were down at the bar Monday watching the game. You know, the huge sports event that took place block from my boring scary apartment. I don't expect you to make your decision based on something stupid like that.

I had an interview in NYC and my host said 2 words to me. I didn't even know he had roommates until I saw one leaving to class in the morning. Difference between us is that I didn't extrapolate my isolated experience to encompass every freakin kid at the school.

 

[medhearter]

You do realize this could have been the result of an infinite number of incidental or personal issues, right? A bunch of us were down at the bar Monday watching the game, but I don't expect you to make your decision based on something stupid like that.

I had an interview in NYC and my host said 2 words to me. I didn't even know he had roommates until I saw one leaving to class in the morning. Difference between us is that I didn't extrapolate my isolated experience to encompass every freakin kid at the school.

cool.

i didn't have an isolated experience at SLU

at WSU, sure, maybe my host was a ... uber-studyer

but the fact that you found the passion of SLU students to be absurd, tells me you dont see such students at WSU

 

[JeebusMcJones]

cool.

i didn't have an isolated experience at SLU

at WSU, sure, maybe my host was a ... uber-studyer

but the fact that you found the passion of SLU students to be absurd, tells me you dont see such students at WSU

Your interview was, by definition, an isolated experience. If you spent the night with 51% of the class and reported that every one of them was a socially healthy party animal with no concerns for school then I'll be inclined to believe you. Otherwise all you did was meet a happy person that had friends over.

 

[medhearter]

Your interview was, by definition, an isolated experience. If you spent the night with 51% of the class and reported that every one of them was a socially healthy party animal with no concerns for school then I'll be inclined to believe you. Otherwise all you did was meet a happy person that had friends over.

i thought i already told you that i went to a lecture, which btw was extremely interactive and fun, and about 100 kids were there, many of whom i got to talking to, as they were wondering who the hell i was.

and i did spend the night with a bunch of students. they weren't just this girls closest friends. they were her classmates. and they were all very different, but they all shared the same excitement about their school, and about life, and about medicine.

ahh... what the hey.

OP all the best with your choice.

i hope WSU considers me for an acceptance
i have a feeling my interviewer at SLU thinks I'm a crazy torontonian.

 

[JeebusMcJones]

i thought i already told you that i went to a lecture, which was extremely interactive btw, and about 100 kids were there, to meet with, and talk to.

also i did spend the night with 16 students. they were all very different, but they all shared the same excitement about their school, and about life, and about medicine.

Look dude, I understand you met some cool people and had a nice time, really I do. But you can't make broad claims about all of us based on that. And you have to understand that when you come here and say something like Wayne State is depressing based on the night you spent with a downer, then I'm going to object, because based on the year I've spent with every single person in my class, Wayne is a great place. Is this getting through to you at all?

 

[RoadRunner17]

Look dude, I understand you met some cool people and had a nice time, really I do. But you can't make broad claims about all of us based on that. And you have to understand that when you come here and say something like Wayne State is depressing based on the night you spent with a downer, then I'm going to object, because based on the year I've spent with every single person in my class, Wayne is a great place. Is this getting through to you at all?

Let it go dude. The guy clearly won't back down from his mistaken impressions based on a night and a day on each campus. But that's his problem.. I think everyone else recognizes the fallacy of making such broad generalizations

 

[JeebusMcJones]

Let it go dude. The guy clearly won't back down from his mistaken impressions based on a night and a day on each campus. But that's his problem.. I think everyone else recognizes the fallacy of making such broad generalizations

I can't back down, I haven't had a decent argument in weeks... I NEED IT!

 

[medhearter]

I can't back down, I haven't had a decent argument in weeks... I NEED IT!

hehe, its all good.

would ppl stop automatically assuming that i'm a guy. reading "he" and "his" can really confuse.

ok jeebusmcjones

if i get into WSU maybe we'll argue.

 

[sunset823]

I hate all the Detroit-bashing that happens on this forum, Wayne State is actually in a relatively nice part of Detroit, and one can live in more 'upscale' areas with a short commute if they wish.

That being said, go where it's cheaper - sounds like that's EVMS

 

[FrickenhugeMD]

I'm pretty sure this is a trait shared by the majority of medical students, regardless of school.



What are the remaining 12% doing? Research years? You have to know what this remaining group is up to before you declare it a bad thing.

Of the 28 that had to scramble, all but 2 matched into something.

And just for some more personal experience at wayne, I love it here. My classmates are cool people for the most part (everywhere will have its wierdos), and even on weekends before a test I could call some of my classmates and we would go out on the town. I personally don't think wayne is that hard either! I put in a fair amount of studying, but I have TONS of free time and still am in the upper 1/2 of my class. Med school is what YOU make of it. Don't let other people dictate how little or much of a good time you have there.

 

[medhearter]

Of the 28 that had to scramble, all but 2 matched into something.

And just for some more personal experience at wayne, I love it here. My classmates are cool people for the most part (everywhere will have its wierdos), and even on weekends before a test I could call some of my classmates and we would go out on the town. I personally don't think wayne is that hard either! I put in a fair amount of studying, but I have TONS of free time and still am in the upper 1/2 of my class. Med school is what YOU make of it. Don't let other people dictate how little or much of a good time you have there.

thats awesome.

my WSU host was great too. perhaps just very overwhelmed with the work.

actually i did want to ask... is the food at scott hall.. always soo... unhealthy? like no healthy options.. at all.. just.. half-cooked/fried grilled cheese hamburgers... and the like

i thought it was an american thing, but then the food at every other school was better!

 

[davattic]

Thanks to everybody for their input! I didn't mean to cause such a heated discussion among you guys. I mean...I think both WSU and EVMS are great places to learn medicine and they have their own strengths and weaknesses. But, after careful consideration, I think I'll probably choose EVMS because of the location and cost. Anyways, the best of luck to those of you who are on the waitlist!👍

 

[ImmunoRocks]

Thanks to everybody for their input! I didn't mean to cause such a heated discussion among you guys. I mean...I think both WSU and EVMS are great places to learn medicine and they have their own strengths and weaknesses. But, after careful consideration, I think I'll probably choose EVMS because of the location and cost. Anyways, the best of luck to those of you who are on the waitlist!👍

davattic, congrats on your acceptances!

Just a quick comment about research at EVMS: if you're interested in research, there are a number of basic science and clinical research opportunities available for students. You probably won't be doing any during your school year (there's probably little time for it), but summer's a great time to get involved. CHKD has a summer scholars program with more clinically-oriented research projects. If basic science is your thing, the professors whom I've talked to have been really open about accepting students into their labs.

Are you going to preview weekend at EVMS? I know someone who had to make a decision between the same two schools. PM me if you want more info.

 

[TMP-SMX]

Seriously, hell on earth.

How important is doing research to you? Do you plan on doing it for sure? Wayne State might be a better choice but I'm sure EVMS would have opportunities there you just need to look early in order to lock it up for the summer.

This is coming from someone from Ohio. Now that's funny. 😉

Anyway, Wayne is a very good school, but I can't recommend it to you because the tuition for OOS is out of control. Go where it is the cheapest.

A good chunk of the people don't actually live in Detroit. They live in Royal Oak, Ferndale, or the other suburbs. The ones that do live in Detroit are on Wayne's campus or places like the Riverfront downtown.

Wayne is great because of the video streaming. I live a bit further away North and not having to go to class is amazing. I also have a lot of free time partly because watching lecture at 2.5X speed is a lot faster and I procrastinate way too much. The other main benefit of Wayne is the patient population is huge and there is a lot of pathology (good to learn but bad for the community).

 

[tiedyeddog]

This is coming from someone from Ohio. Now that's funny. 😉

Damn, I'll give you some e-respect for that one. I'll be honest, I've never seen Wayne State's campus I was just remarking about Detroit in general.

 

[Premed Worrier]

To the OP. Take a look at my MDApps. If you are at all similar to me (i.e. sex, location, scores, major, etc.) then I think that Wayne State is the best fit for you. If you are totally opposite of me then I think that you should probably go to EVMS.

 

[medhearter]

To the OP. Take a look at my MDApps. If you are at all similar to me (i.e. sex, location, scores, major, etc.) then I think that Wayne State is the best fit for you. If you are totally opposite of me then I think that you should probably go to EVMS.

how does that make any sense?

 

[Premed Worrier]

how does that make any sense?

It was a joke. I have read that EVMS likes to accept similar applicants off the waitlist for people who decline acceptances. So...if similar to me I would prefer to accept somewhere else to give me a shot. If not similar, then it doesn't matter much. Jokes aren't funny after having to explain them.

 

[medhearter]

It was a joke. I have read that EVMS likes to accept similar applicants off the waitlist for people who decline acceptances. So...if similar to me I would prefer to accept somewhere else to give me a shot. If not similar, then it doesn't matter much. Jokes aren't funny after having to explain them.

oh haha

you do realize that your joke wasn't very clear without the explanation don't you.

 

[mrcmedman]

I'm facing the same decision. I was accepted to both EVMS and Wayne State.

I'm OOS for both schools. But I'm Canadian and I live about a 3 hour drive from Detroit. I've actually calculated the total costs of attendance for both schools. And after subtracting the fact that I won't need to purchase health insurance ($3k/year) or incur international flights to Norkfolk ($3k/year) if I go to Wayne State, the total cost of attendance is only $25-30k more expensive over four years.

Any more insights that can help me make my decision?

 

[SBK]

I'm facing the same decision. I was accepted to both EVMS and Wayne State.

I'm OOS for both schools. But I'm Canadian and I live about a 3 hour drive from Detroit. I've actually calculated the total costs of attendance for both schools. And after subtracting the fact that I won't need to purchase health insurance ($3k/year) or incur international flights to Norkfolk ($3k/year) if I go to Wayne State, the total cost of attendance is only $25-30k more expensive over four years.

Any more insights that can help me make my decision?

I'll most likely be at WSU! That's gotta be a plus!

 

[jamaicandoc]

I'm facing the same decision. I was accepted to both EVMS and Wayne State.

I'm OOS for both schools. But I'm Canadian and I live about a 3 hour drive from Detroit. I've actually calculated the total costs of attendance for both schools. And after subtracting the fact that I won't need to purchase health insurance ($3k/year) or incur international flights to Norkfolk ($3k/year) if I go to Wayne State, the total cost of attendance is only $25-30k more expensive over four years.

Any more insights that can help me make my decision?

do let us know where you decide to go mrcmedman...I'm waitlisted at EVMS.. so hoping I can get a spot there..

 

[mrcmedman]

do let us know where you decide to go mrcmedman...I'm waitlisted at EVMS.. so hoping I can get a spot there..

jamaicandoc, I haven't quite decided yet. I just got off the OOS waitlist. I am honestly though leaning towards Wayne State.

I know that both schools are very strong clinically-speaking. EVMS has good hospitals (Sentara) and of course the standardized patient program. Wayne of course has all the clinical opportunities at DMC and other hospitals in metro Detroit.

One issue with Wayne is the student social life there. There are quite a few conflicting posts on this thread about that topic.....while at EVMS, one of the major selling points was the class unity and student social ife....

What were your impressions of EVMS btw?

 

[jamaicandoc]

jamaicandoc, I haven't quite decided yet. I just got off the OOS waitlist. I am honestly though leaning towards Wayne State.

I know that both schools are very strong clinically-speaking. EVMS has good hospitals (Sentara) and of course the standardized patient program. Wayne of course has all the clinical opportunities at DMC and other hospitals in metro Detroit.

One issue with Wayne is the student social life there. There are quite a few conflicting posts on this thread about that topic.....while at EVMS, one of the major selling points was the class unity and student social ife....

What were your impressions of EVMS btw?

mrcmedman, I liked EVMS when I interviewed there. I think it's a good school. I agree with other posters about the pros and cons of the school. I think the fact that histology is still done using microscopes is kind of a pain. Other than that, I'm not super keen on research, so It doesn't matter much to me about the research reputation of a school. Also, I agree with you, EVMS student body definitely seemed cohesive and a good groups of social kids. Don't know what Wayne State is like, but I think anywhere you go to medical school you will form a good group of 10-12 friends that you will regularly hang out with. In the end, given that the two schools are similar, if I was making this choice I would consider where I want to practice later, as others said, with Wayne State you will sort of get preference for regional residencies and same with EVMS I suppose. good luck on your decision !!!