Temporally, this vote was placed later than the "typical" salt/joke votes, but it was also only page 2 of the thread, and page 1 was primarily fluff.
This was after Dina and Bob dropped votes on her within the same minute. I thought the timing was interesting,
I'm not surprised at Dina's vote on me, but Bob's vote feels off. Could just be bob being bob though
I didn’t like timing of it. Seems late (night of start) to be for funsy.
Plus. If I was wolf, I would want rid of Mel.
PS- Dina’s vote and mine were 1 min apart, ie it wasn’t posted yet. (if that’s why you think it was weird)
I was actually wondering if you were being serious or jokey in your post and knowing that you were being serious makes me feel worse
We have a whole day before we need to worry about solidifying votes. Multiple votes on the board right now weren't placed as wolf reads, but just to get conversation started. Why does mine stick out to you? Do you really believe your slippery slope fallacy that a single non-serious vote on Mel mid-D1 will actually lead to a village loss?
This still feels like a bit of an overreaction to me on reread. I think it's primarily the bolded sentence that makes it feel that way - it's pretty aggressive. I have issues with Bob's reasoning too, which I've discussed on the thread already. It's possible that April had a big reaction like this because she's been a D1 misyeet before.
This feels pretty excessive in response to the prior Bob post. Defensive enough to extrapolate a defense of a D1 vote into losing/not losing the game?
I heard myself saying that post in an inquisitive tone, not a defensive tone, wondering about Bob's reasoning rather than defending myself, which seems like it was lost in translation
This response to cubs felt off. I'm not sure I can articulate why.
How could it be late if it wasn't even half way through D1 and most people hadn't even put down any vote at all?
This is a valid point.
Reminder to myself to go back and read some of Alley's posts because I thought I felt weird vibes there yesterday, don't remember why though and not enough to make a read off of
This was in response to my reads post, where I had alley in my village leans. I don't remember if April actually says later what was pinging her about alley, we'll see as we proceed.
Nope. She doesn't - she alludes to it in this post below, but never actually says what specific posts were getting her attention.
I agree on Alley feeling weird. I checked the posts that you referenced, and I think the posts that stood out to me were a little different but I get the same vibe you did. Not sure if I feel confident enough on that to yeet her for it since I think D1 alley tends to be sketchy and I'm not sure where that line can be drawn so early in the game
I'm inclined to give her more than half a cycle to contribute to game solving before I put her in red for that reason, and TME was very close to getting yeeted early in the last game and ended up village for what it's worth
Same thing as TME - generally sketchy and hard to differentiate wolfy sketch from baseline sketch, another point that got pressured early and ended up village in the last game
These are fair points, especially since I haven't played for a bit and have never played with village!cubs. Yesterday, I felt like these were examples of her defending people in a way that I've seen her do before when she's wolfing, but they're not coming across that way on reread. The ones quoted below remind me of that a little more - I don't remember which game it was where April was wolfing and white knighted me, but this felt similar to it:
NAI for shorty to sound very involved and stir up conversation
That doesn’t mean I can’t think a post sounds weird
That doesn't mean I can't share my read too 😛
The reason it struck me as similar was Sporty had commented on a specific post, and even said she wasn't sure if she felt like it was weird or not, but April jumped in there anyway to say it was NAI.
If it's worth anything, he was also super stretchy in the last game to the point I almost yeeted him multiple times over it and turned out village
Here's some more light defense of cubs, but this, like her quote above talking about him and TME, was a more natural insertion into the discussion. I did consider this point last night when I was deciding where to vote (along with the fact that my D1 wolf vibes meter needs to be recalibrated).
I thought Bob's april vote reasoning felt a little off, but nothing outside of his village meta. I did agree that voting for Mel was not what I expected from april and I'm a little curious if she plans to stay there @Aprilthearab. It was one of the things that made me feel like she was wolfy yesterday
I don't intend to stay here but so far no one else has given me a reason to move to them and Mel hasn't given me a reason to move off of him. Again, it was just a conversation starter, don't see why it was a big deal compared to any other conversation starter votes
On reread, it does seem like a disproportionately big deal was made out of April's vote - I think partially because Bob made such a thing out of it (joking or not), but I think some of it was because of the timing, even though much of the thread hadn't voted yet.
@Dinashadow, what did you expect from April?
Schools has been striking me very village. When she's wolfing, she tends to be much more worried about how people are reading her which turns into low posting that sounds a bit cautious, and in this game she's been pretty relaxed and sassy. Hedginess is part of her village meta
April has wolfed with pleasy before, and I agree with her assessment here. In addition to the hedginess (which I mentioned in my own reads often gets her wolf-read), pleasy does really up her sass game when she's village. She can be one of those low-hanging fruits for people to misyeet, and I liked April's evaluation on her.
Yeah I'm not sure about Dina either, sounds mostly village minus a few inexplicable pings, but she also pinged me a few times in the last game. I think I sometimes second-guess my own village read on her because she's also a great wolf
@Aprilthearab, what pinged you about Dina?
Oh yes
I was planning on moving off of Mel if he showed up and sounded alright, now he's apparently here but I'm waiting for some contributions
This was less than an hour to voting close when the vote on Mel that was originally for funsies morphed to being a pressure vote. Without any follow-up on what specifically was bothering her about alley, it's difficult for me to interpret this in the context of where her vote ended up.
All that does is further her point that you haven't posted any serious content
This was a slight bit of pressure on genny, but she doesn't continue to push there.
I kinda want to move to alley but I don't want to make another tie
That's what I was feeling. We could both vote there?
This still feels groce, especially with April never actually saying what it was about alley that was making her think she was wolfy, particularly when she'd already acknowledged that alley often seems sketchy D1.
Don't you usually give trouble to people who openly advertise their PM plans?
I liked that she called Cray out for this because it did seem hypocritical given how Cray has gone after samac for PM coordination in previous games.
this was a very......pointed post to make. Why do you feel the need to pre-empt moving off of an RVS vote? Do you have specific questions for me?
Not sure what an RVS vote is. My vote on you was never serious, just to start conversation (and it certainly did) with anyone who took interest, and I was hoping at some point preferably earlier in the cycle, I would have gotten a better feel for you and everyone else so that I could know where to put a serious vote. Didn't matter if that meant keeping it on you or putting it on someone else, I just didn't want my vote to be sitting somewhere for absolutely no reason by EOD.
RVS - Random Voting Stage
What I'm getting at is that an RVS vote is pretty much expected to be moved by EOD, so its weird to me you went out of your way to say you were going to move it. But whats pinging me more is that you mentioned seeing that I was contributing, but you made no effort to engage with me or evaluate my contributions before/after vote close.
Bolded - I'd interpreted her earlier comment about how she saw that Mel was there but she was waiting for contributions as her vote shifting to a pressure vote. I don't know if she was perhaps not asking questions because she was waiting for the pbpa that was promised and never materialized, but Mel makes a good point here that she didn't make an effort to engage with him.
This interaction
coming shortly after April had said this:
feels off to me. Alley didn't post at all between April saying that she wasn't sure if she felt confident enough to yeet her and then talking about coordinating with Dina, and it was mentioned earlier in the thread that wolf!alley tends to be very wordy. @Aprilthearab, what made you feel more confident in voting her?
It was a combination of not having a wolf feel on anyone else and my village leans/reads, notably Schools and Dina, feeling wolfy about her too. Initially, when I mentioned it below, I was the first person to mention feeling questionable about Alley and wasn't super sure of my read:
And then schools mentioned her getting wolfy vibes too, which is when I responded with this:
After this is when Dina noted some more wolfy vibes from Alley and made me feel like I maybe wasn't imagining it.
And really, this post below has a lot of truth to it. I felt stuck and even though I had wanted to avoid voting Alley until I could get more than one cycle of reads on her, I didn't have anyone wolfier.
I didn't feel good about the Bob vote because I couldn't justify any of his weirdness being any wolfier than his village weirdness. I don't have any read at all on Genny or Sporty so I didn't feel like going there. Just stuck.
I don't see Dina making the two last-minute switches as a wolf because it drew a lot of attention. I feel like there must have been somewhere else that she could have kept her vote quiet unless she was trying to protect a packmate.
So here's the thing: she vaguely said that she wasn't getting good vibes from alley, but then never specified what those were, and then went along with it when her village reads went to yeet alley on D1 (again). Knowing that alley can be misyeeted pretty easily - this isn't the first time in the last couple months where she was misyeeted D1 - swinging the vote there for reasons that she never actually stated, and relying on other people's reads to get there, feels like taking the easy way out. Pleasy at least articulated why she was wolf reading alley and I could follow how she got there, even if I disagreed with her.
Not really. Schools is a strong village read, I'm inclined to think you, Dina, and AM are village, Bob and Cubs are always saying weird things that ping me but it's NAI right now, I don't trust myself reading TME given the last game, Sporty, Mel, and Cray are very hard for me to move out of neutrals, genny and MsP are nearly absent. What sucks is that most of the roster this game happens to be the people that I've routinely misread in previous games.
I feel this, but hope we'll see some evolution of wolf leans from April as this cycle goes on.
Oh wait I think I misread this as still talking about Sporty's vote, nevermind. But I still don't think someone being on a misyeet means they're not a wolf. Sure, they might want to avoid being on the wagon that flips, but wolves are going to want to misyeet villagers and it's easy to play it off as "I'm a villager so I didn't know any better" and not get too much sus for it.
I thought it was still talking about Sporty's vote. How did you interpret it after this comment, @Aprilthearab?
