WildZoo's WWild ZZoo Part 2 - Game Thread

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Santygrass said:
Genny doing more solving than Zenge? Pls thats just not possible. And if by threatened we go Khepri had much more reasons to kill them .
And this day PSV killing Nate instead of Zenge is also weird but wowee
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Yeah, I'm not saying I agree, I'm just trying to find the rationale.
 
Day 4 Nom Nom Nom Vote Tally

Khepri ()
PSV (1) - Zenge
Santy (1) - Khepri

2/6
Missing: many

Deadline: 10pm EDT TOMORROW (~34.25 hours)

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I didnt saw that I posted it the first time loool
 
Unyeet Psv
Yeet Khepri

Do better, you dont have that big of a skill issue in your reads. Im going to unyeet when you give past day a proper read and give reads that make sense and arent nitpciking things in vaccuum forgetting worldsolves or your own previous reads tyvm
 
Santygrass said:
Unyeet Psv
Yeet Khepri

Do better, you dont have that big of a skill issue in your reads. Im going to unyeet when you give past day a proper read and give reads that make sense and arent nitpciking things in vaccuum forgetting worldsolves or your own previous reads tyvm
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Tell me how your unvote makes sense.
 
I think the night kills make sense from a wolf Santy perspective. Santy is like me when it comes to long-term gameplay. He will kill off people he is hard town reading so that as the game goes on the living people are those he is sussing. Like since he eventually is going to have to push someone to win, killing off his town reads prevents him from having to 180 on someone he’s town cased and been sticking up for and avoiding the awkwardness of that.
 
Khepri said:
I think the night kills make sense from a wolf Santy perspective. Santy is like me when it comes to long-term gameplay. He will kill off people he is hard town reading so that as the game goes on the living people are those he is sussing. Like since he eventually is going to have to push someone to win, killing off his town reads prevents him from having to 180 on someone he’s town cased and been sticking up for and avoiding the awkwardness of that.
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I mean, isn't that just... standard wolf strategy?

NK obvious villagers so the only people left at YOLO are all suspicious of each other and have material for you to fabricate pushes out of, that's how momma Dubz taught me
 
Khepri said:
I think the night kills make sense from a wolf Santy perspective. Santy is like me when it comes to long-term gameplay. He will kill off people he is hard town reading so that as the game goes on the living people are those he is sussing. Like since he eventually is going to have to push someone to win, killing off his town reads prevents him from having to 180 on someone he’s town cased and been sticking up for and avoiding the awkwardness of that.
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N2 doesnt fit with that. And for the last part I think its pretty obvious that Im not trying to avoid that with the way I've been playing lol
 
Santygrass said:
N2 doesnt fit with that. And for the last part I think its pretty obvious that Im not trying to avoid that with the way I've been playing lol
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You have not been afraid of changing your reads fairly abruptly, that's for sure
 
Does anyone have a clear village case for Clem/Nanook? I think... Santy might have made one yesterday?
 
Truenamer said:
I mean, isn't that just... standard wolf strategy?

NK obvious villagers so the only people left at YOLO are all suspicious of each other and have material for you to fabricate pushes out of, that's how momma Dubz taught me
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I think they are referring with my own townreads. That now that I think about it, n1 doesnt fit with that view either lol. But there Lawpy interest could come into play but w/e.

Like , since Nate was my towncore read since n1, it was a slot that I had to kill. And its like ... Yeah? But why do I kill genny over psv/nate then? Or leave Zenge alive too who is a slot that hinders my threadpull greatly?
 
Truenamer said:
I mean, isn't that just... standard wolf strategy?

NK obvious villagers so the only people left at YOLO are all suspicious of each other and have material for you to fabricate pushes out of, that's how momma Dubz taught me
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I’m not referring to night killing obvious villagers, but villagers that you specifically town read.
 
Truenamer said:
Does anyone have a clear village case for Clem/Nanook? I think... Santy might have made one yesterday?
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Lawpy vote + Clem vote since early = Unpairing

'He could've bussed!' . Look at the invest Clem is putting in the game. That is not a slot that wants to bus their teammate to be confident in endgaming. The way in which Lawpy pushed Clem too seemed unpairing imo.

Clem having 5 townreads and sheeping them, and not being their partner there is fairly ckearing. Maybe Nate/Zenge said something more yesterday. But Im not feeling Clem at all, nah
 
Truenamer said:
I... guess? It just doesn't seem reasonable to rely on the wolf revealing themselves through obvious NK targets when they haven't done that once all game. (EDIT- I guess AM did help with Lawpy, hm)

Either way, irrelevant, pretty sure we can't holster the yeet.
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Its less about the scum revealing themselves and more about having one less player to miskill lol

Its a moot point but its correct in this context if it were allowed
 
Santygrass said:
Lawpy vote + Clem vote since early = Unpairing

'He could've bussed!' . Look at the invest Clem is putting in the game. That is not a slot that wants to bus their teammate to be confident in endgaming. The way in which Lawpy pushed Clem too seemed unpairing imo.

Clem having 5 townreads and sheeping them, and not being their partner there is fairly ckearing. Maybe Nate/Zenge said something more yesterday. But Im not feeling Clem at all, nah
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Yeah, okay, this makes sense.
 
Went back and looked at the last day or so of Nate-posts, and unfortunately there's no particular smoking gun. Most of the more recent posts centered around MKG.

NateTheLesser said:
Clem was the second vote, he sheeped Khepri/Seven. Which I think looks even better for him. He's not really playing like a wolf that was bussing his partner so he can go solo the rest of the way, IMO.
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Nate agreed with the "Clem not acting like a wolf" read.

NateTheLesser said:
Updated:

Had I looked at my own spreadsheet I would have seen that MKG was on my wagon with Lawpy EOD1, which was a point against them being paired. Not sure it would have changed my vote anyway, but oh well.
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This was his last one, with his tracking spreadsheets. Mostly quoting to bump it.
 
Mentally trying to fill out this table. If folks want to contribute I'd appreciate it. Don't know if this is the right way to go about it but this is how I process games. This has not been robustly filled out yet, I didn't want to make too many assumptions. Italics if someone is sliding towards the adjacent category.

PlayerVillage-ReadingQuestioningWolf-Reading
TruenamerZenge, Clem, PSVSanty, Khepri
Zenge??PSV
SantyClem, TrueZenge, Khepri, PSV?
KhepriZenge, ClemPSVTrue, Santy
PSV??Khepri
Clem???

EDIT- Will update this when people give me info
 
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Truenamer said:
PlayerVillage-ReadingQuestioningWolf-Reading
TruenamerZenge, Clem, PSVSanty, Khepri
Zenge??PSV
SantyClem,TruenamerZenge,Khepri, PSV
Khepri??Santy
PSV??Khepri
Clem???
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My headspace is working something like this rn. Ehh maybe not fully accurate but is where they lean mostly for this day
 
Truenamer said:
@potentialsheltervet they think you're a potentialsheltervillain
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Smh. Why is it when I want to be NK'd I live long enough to become a villain?
Zenge142 said:
No, you’re not wolfing or No, you’re not going to tell me if you’re wolfing?
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No, I'm not wolfing, but I also wouldn't tell you if I was.
Santygrass said:
Risk reward ratio doesnt add up tho. Idk

Yeet Psv
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Okay
Santygrass said:
Risk reward ratio doesnt add up still.

Yeet Psv.
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I'm glad you took a few seconds to reflect and then decided you still wanted to yeet me. Is a double yeet more effective?
 
Zenge sussing me makes sense. True not sussing me makes sense. True's basically a confirmed villager at this point unless this is the world's most elaborate pocketing scheme.
I want to feel like Santy is village because of the exquisite cheetah references, but... Eh. Some paranoia there.
I don't agree with Clem or Khepri being cleared. I know Santy knows them better, but I don't see how any of what he's said is completely exclusionary.
 
Truenamer said:
What is your reasoning for putting him back there?
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Well, I've been wanting to yeet him this whole game. And I'm going to be pissed if I was on a wolf early, moved off, but was right all along.
But mostly I just... Don't really agree with Santy's points on him? Does he feel disconnected from the game? Yes. Like he doesn't care? Absolutely. But Santy last game said that is NAI and I feel like he's now trying to say it's AI here because Clem wouldn't have bussed his only partner, but like...? Lawpy mentioned the post cap when he signed up, and we all know how much Lawpy has been fantasizing about being bussed/deepwolfed against. So if Lawpy requested it and Clem thought it could give him cred, then I don't see why not?
Like @Santygrass tell me if I'm misunderstanding your argument but at this point I still don't see how Clem can't be scum and how he can't be paired with Lawpy
 
potentialsheltervet said:
Well, I've been wanting to yeet him this whole game. And I'm going to be pissed if I was on a wolf early, moved off, but was right all along.
But mostly I just... Don't really agree with Santy's points on him? Does he feel disconnected from the game? Yes. Like he doesn't care? Absolutely. But Santy last game said that is NAI and I feel like he's now trying to say it's AI here because Clem wouldn't have bussed his only partner, but like...? Lawpy mentioned the post cap when he signed up, and we all know how much Lawpy has been fantasizing about being bussed/deepwolfed against. So if Lawpy requested it and Clem thought it could give him cred, then I don't see why not?
Like @Santygrass tell me if I'm misunderstanding your argument but at this point I still don't see how Clem can't be scum and how he can't be paired with Lawpy
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I mean, my understanding is that if Clem wants to win, and is a wolf, and knows he's not going to be around to actively engage with the game, it doesn't make sense to contribute to the yeet of his partner who is actively engaged and contributing.

And, yeah, I see that. I am thinking now of shorty telling me about a Champs qualifier game where the winning wolves essentially didn't post at all multiple days, or something like that.
 
potentialsheltervet said:
Zenge sussing me makes sense. True not sussing me makes sense. True's basically a confirmed villager at this point unless this is the world's most elaborate pocketing scheme.
I want to feel like Santy is village because of the exquisite cheetah references, but... Eh. Some paranoia there.
I don't agree with Clem or Khepri being cleared. I know Santy knows them better, but I don't see how any of what he's said is completely exclusionary.
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Trying and failing to not be pocketed by this post
 
Truenamer said:
I mean, my understanding is that if Clem wants to win, and is a wolf, and knows he's not going to be around to actively engage with the game, it doesn't make sense to contribute to the yeet of his partner who is actively engaged and contributing.

And, yeah, I see that. I am thinking now of shorty telling me about a Champs qualifier game where the winning wolves essentially didn't post at all multiple days, or something like that.
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Currently I'm thinking about Mountains, where Dolph, Mayo, and genny got decently close to winning simply because the high posters turned against each other.
And not to say all lowposters must be yoten, but I also don't think postage (?) is AI. So like if Clem busses sometimes (which he said he does) then wouldn't he always be disengaged from the game...? Because this attitude is NAI for him?
So we don't necessarily need to ask "would he?" because if I'm understanding right, the answer is "he already has."
 
potentialsheltervet said:
Currently I'm thinking about Mountains, where Dolph, Mayo, and genny got decently close to winning simply because the high posters turned against each other.
And not to say all lowposters must be yoten, but I also don't think postage (?) is AI. So like if Clem busses sometimes (which he said he does) then wouldn't he always be disengaged from the game...? Because this attitude is NAI for him?
So we don't necessarily need to ask "would he?" because if I'm understanding right, the answer is "he already has."
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Hm. Clem raised the idea of sleeping the vote (though we can't). Trying to think if a low-posting bussing wolf would want us to no-vote today, versus getting another misyeet and bringing the game to a wrap slightly faster.

If we misyeet each day, today being D4, the wolf wins (1v5, 1v3, 1v1) after the misyeet on D5, tomorrow. Technically the morning of D6.

If we had slept then misyeeted after that, the wolf would win (1v5, 1v4, 1v2) after the misyeet on D6. So it would still require two misyeets, but would mean one extra day cycle to discuss.

So it seems like holstering the yeet is indeed worse for the wolf in that it gives us more time to solve (and more time for them to make a mistake).
 
Santygrass said:
I think they are referring with my own townreads. That now that I think about it, n1 doesnt fit with that view either lol. But there Lawpy interest could come into play but w/e.

Like , since Nate was my towncore read since n1, it was a slot that I had to kill. And its like ... Yeah? But why do I
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Clem J said:
Its less about the scum revealing themselves and more about having one less player to miskill lol

Its a moot point but its correct in this context if it were allowed
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No it isn’t
 
It would only be the right choice if we were robots shooting randomly.
 
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