WildZoo's WWild ZZoo Part 2 - Game Thread

[justafluff]

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@Truenamer I got misyeeted in the anniversary game, but what applies to "nearly misyeeted"? People find me wolfy all the time D1, and sometimes I'm able to survive it.

I got nearly misyeeted on SPN villains until stoat stepped up and acted wolfier to save my ass. I was being questioned by AM since D1 there as well (she was a wolf). It's on brand for her, though, cause in the last game I played (okami), she was pushing me but was village.
I got nearly misyeeted in BoWWling... I don't know... we had this discussion about whether or not I am LHF and I don't think I am, but I do think wolves tend to try their luck with me.

 

[justafluff]

ClemJ giving off town reads like

 

[Animal Midwife]

ClemJ giving off town reads like

How do you feel about that?

 

[justafluff]

How do you feel about that?

I don't know. His play reminds me a bit of Mad Jack. I'm tempted to vote there, but like I said, I don't believe it's just risky & careless wolf behavior, and I'd rather see where he goes with it in the following days.

 

[Santygrass]

Unyeet Zenge
Yeet Khepri

Feeling Spicy

 

[Clem J]

What's got you TRing genny?
Also, Pot is a new one for me.

They read the same as in wwatch to me

 

[Zenge142]

Unyeet Zenge
Yeet Khepri

Feeling Spicy

I’m not opposed to this. I think ISOs are a good way for a wolf to make themselves look village.

Fluff feels like low hanging fruit tbh.

 

[Clem J]

ClemJ giving off town reads like

Damn, I look good

 

[Clem J]

Unyeet Zenge
Yeet Khepri

Feeling Spicy

I'm having flashbacks

 

[justafluff]

Another ISO done & I need some clarifications from Mr. Nate. Theres actually not that many posts of game solving content other than this:

Think I'm okay with the main wagons being Zenge/Fluff/Clem at this point, I don't have a strong town read on any of them. (Clem's play I think is not AI though I understand it being sorted into the "not pro-town" bucket. I don't read him as wolfy but I think pressure there is fine)

Here he states he's ok with all wagons. Specifically focusing on Clem, he basically says that his play is NAI, and he understands why there are votes there.

Yeet Fluff

Let's see where this goes.

Then he chooses one of the wagons, me.

I also keep mulling on this post. At this point Zenge was the only real wagon with 4 votes, and Fluff was clearly aware of the state of things. Does w!Fluff push back against the lead wagon if it's a townie? Is this a w/w perspective, or just t!Fluff worried about a misyeet?

Then here is it that you 're wondering if I'm a wolf, or you 're sure and just trying to see if Zenge is my packmate?

Is that how you read it?

It's not a strong enough defense of Zenge to read as pockety, to me. Like it's more of a "Zenge seems normal" read than "Zenge seems town".

But then, he says I'm not pocketing Zenge at all. So, which one is it @NateTheLesser ? Me and Zenge are the pack or I'm just a wolf defending a townie but not pocketing them?

 

[Santygrass]

I want to see Seven/Khepri reply in regards to the read on me + I liked Zenge's train of thought in their question to them too.
Also their read on PSV is unconvincing to me since PSV was one of the slots I was townreading more, and that again doesnt add up with the argument of them mindmelding with me and reaching a townread because of it

 

[justafluff]

For all the above, not clear flow of thinking and feeling like he chose the opportunity to jump on my vote after Khepri,
yeet Nate
@kaydubs

I'm gonna head out for a few hours, so if I'm the sacrificial prey animal today, you're wrong, but it's ok.

 

[WildZoo]

Day 1: Life Finds A Way Vote Tally

Khepri (1) - Santy
Zenges (1) - Clem
Santy (1) - True
mkg ()
fluff (3) - Khepri, AM, Nate
Clem (2) - Zenges, PSV
Nate (2) - Lawpy, fluff

10/12

Missing: @genny @mkg323

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~3.5 hours)

 

[mkg323]

Can you pinpoint to me to a post that you read and thought 'yup, this is V!Zenge' , or showed the strong logic that you vibed with?

Why AM? Pinpoint to something that made you think you were with V!AM too would be helpful.

I agree with both of your Villa Leans tho, and feel quite good about both of them rn.

Gotcha

Can you expand this train of thought? You say hours away but wasnt it like, early in the day and with a lot of the day still? Like 24+ hours isnt 'hours away' to me. But maybe I am misinterpreting your post

Yes, I have played with him in our Champs Qualifier (V!Me , W!Nook) , In Multihammer mash (Both Wolves together) , and in a Syndicate game (Both Town) .
Jay said that it isnt a good idea to look at nook games in champs as their meta, cuz there Nanook was putting an effort in playing different and with another level of effort thats not the norm iirc . And I kinda agree with it.

If you want another game to compare in where both of us have played, I think the Syndicate one its the best. Link to the game. Clem/Nanook ISO .

Imma be honest I really hate doing ISOs on mobile so I’m gonna try and be as descriptive as possible without pulling quotes. I feel like Zenge sometimes is slow at the start of the game, which comes off as lurky, wolfy, etc. not only is that not happening here, but the tone feels, idk, direct? Like from what I remember from him as a wolf is his posts can be twisty and through shade and here he’s just made it very clear who he is wolf reading and what he doesn’t like.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Her posts are easy to follow. I can see her thought process as an effort at game solving, even if I don’t fully agree with her Fluff push.

You don't fully agree with AM's Fluff push. Do you think Fluff is town?

 

[Zenge142]

You don't fully agree with AM's Fluff push. Do you think Fluff is town?

Presently undecided. But I think the case against Fluff is flimsy and doesn’t really hold water.

Midwife seems like she is decided, and I don’t agree with that decisiveness on Fluff, or the case that’s been presented so far.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Feels like a classic fluff "speaks from a wolfy perspective even when villager"-ism but I'm not up to date on the thread at all. I'll give thoughts in a jiffy.

You're not caught up but you saw the "slip"?

 

[NateTheLesser]

Unyeet Zenge
Yeet Khepri

Feeling Spicy

Talk about this.

 

[Khepri]

Is that how you read it?

It's not a strong enough defense of Zenge to read as pockety, to me. Like it's more of a "Zenge seems normal" read than "Zenge seems town".

I don't read it one way or the other. It's just that you left the possibility of t!Zenge and w!Fluff out. Is there any particular reason why it has to be either w/w or t!Fluff only?

@Khepri how are you viewing Nanooks’s recent posts?

His posts are fine to me so far.

@Khepri can you talk to me about your read on me? Because I feel like when you went over the slots I was both your most confident read AND the one who didnt bothered talking much about. One of your arguments was the mind melding/like-wise minds , but your first reads was townreading Zenge, the slot I was mostly focusing on sussing, so that its a point against the mindmelding part or that would make you waver I feel like.

We've picked up on similar things even if our interpretation has been different. For example, how you felt about Zenge's intro posts was my initial reaction as well. The post that really stood out to me though was this one:

I'm making a difference specifically in how you treated Lawpy entrance (Asking about the dartboard, to then ask for AM opinion) , to the one of Clem, who you were sussing.

It's the same thing I noted in my Zenge ISO here:

p#26 p#29 and p#31 do have an off vibe, but I'm not sure if they are off because of Zenge or Clem. But Zenge's tone here is different than his tone in his posts addressed toward others so far. I could see this interaction as either w/w or t who has more insight on Clem than me from previous meta, and thus genuinely finds Clem's opening suspicious. I will circle back to which way I lean after I read through Clem's posts.
p#61 this is another notable interaction. Lawpy is the first player Zenge has asked a question of. Why is Zenge interested in Lawpy's reads in particular at this time? @Zenge

At this point, I hadn't read your post yet. I started with Zenge since he was the first to post. So what I mean by like minds, is knowing my alignment and then seeing you having had the thought prior, I think you are looking at the game from the same perspective as me.

@Santygrass you asked me about my thoughts on Khepri. I think they are making a decent game-solving effort. I agree with the fact that they're voting for me for not trying as hard yesterday cause I wasn't. All I can say is they're voting for me for not making enough of an effort, but that's just because I'm not making enough of an effort. It's reasonable for them to view me as a wolf because of it since they haven't played with me. I'm just disappointed, I guess, cause Clem isn't making an effort either, yet the focus is on me.

I have a few things that pinged me from your approach to the game so far. You make a first post claiming that your approach to this game will be analytical instead of going off of vibes. You analytically proceed to mention Lupin's rule and pick out Zenge as the wolfiest of the first five. Then you proceed to yeet Zenge saying his posts "feel forced" and continue to double down on that. On that same post you also give town clearance for PSV and feel good about Truenamer because he feels good about PSV. So, in your world, w!Truenamer can't feel that PSV is village? He was also voting for you at that point. So... what's up with that?

So to add to that, I still disagree with your Zenge read. It feels like you're tunneling like you've made your verdict from a couple of posts, and then every reaction Zenge has is used against him to find him guilty. And I find that dangerous cause while you may think you caught a wolf, you're not second-guessing yourself.

I feel good about Genny, and that has been reinforced by her unyeeting Zenge and saying that he sounds like himself. It matches my intuition.

I was still skeptical about mkg and was waiting for her next moves. I was not completely convinced that she hadn't seen the tally when she first voted for Zenge (mostly because I was late to enter the thread, and the first thing I saw was the tally because I was tagged). But she unyeeted him so there's nothing to do but wait for her next moves.

Hold while I formulate my thoughts on the rest.

I like this post.

Her posts are easy to follow. I can see her thought process as an effort at game solving, even if I don’t fully agree with her Fluff push.

I mean if you want to nitpick “hours”…okay. It was ~24 hours remaining, half of which people would be asleep for. Not really sure why you want to nitpick the exact number of hours, as if it changes the question I’m trying to ask Khepri, but okay.

Santy is right here. Your wording and reasoning aren't solid. Why did you mention the "hours away" bit as if that had an influence on how I should be reading it?

Zenge, I already said that's NAI. She done it before.

Your example was that she's done it as scum before. How does that lead to the conclusion that it's NAI? For it to be NAI, you would also need a reference to a town game.

I think you're both saying the same thing in different ways. Zenge was saying "hours away" meaning there's lots of time left, not a short time.

I don't think they are? Zenge is saying that he was set on being the elimination. Santy is saying he wasn't.

I’m asking Khepri to explain why they think Wolf!Fluff is trying to pocket village Zenge. I want to see Khepri’s answer, but just a few posts before, Khepri was saying they had come around on Santy’s case and believed I was a wolf.

I want to see Khepri explain why they’re then interpreting this post from Fluff as being a Wolf!Fluff trying to pocket a villager.

Furthermore Khepri didn’t play or read Marvel, so wouldn’t know about the point you’re trying to make here.

I want to see Khepri’s response, explanation and reasoning, without being tainted.

I do not believe so. I have no view on whether she is pocketing you. I was curious why Nate was only considering the possibility that you were either both wolves or fluffy was town.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I'm having flashbacks

To what?

Imma be honest I really hate doing ISOs on mobile so I’m gonna try and be as descriptive as possible without pulling quotes. I feel like Zenge sometimes is slow at the start of the game, which comes off as lurky, wolfy, etc. not only is that not happening here, but the tone feels, idk, direct? Like from what I remember from him as a wolf is his posts can be twisty and through shade and here he’s just made it very clear who he is wolf reading and what he doesn’t like.

I'm not totally following what you're saying. Are you saying he seems wolfy because he doesn't seem wolfy or he doesn't seem wolfy because he's being direct?

 

[Truenamer]

You're not caught up but you saw the "slip"?

Not sure how much you've used SDN, but when you use the app on your phone, the posts it chooses to show you are up to Fate and God

 

[Khepri]

Unvote: Fluff
Vote: Zenge

I think Fluff's responses have been good. Something that occurred to me when I was reading yesterday is that Zenge and True may be paired. I will have to review later.

 

[Truenamer]

Unvote: Fluff
Vote: Zenge

I think Fluff's responses have been good. Something that occurred to me when I was reading yesterday is that Zenge and True may be paired. I will have to review later.

Honestly can't wait to be paired with him, especially in a relatively low-power game like this.

Our combined sketchiness and TWTBW energy will drive the village to its knees.

 

[WildZoo]

when you use the app on your phone

Oof. Skill Issue.

 

[Truenamer]

Oof. Skill Issue.

It's better than the website for me >:[

 

[WildZoo]

It's better than the website for me >:[

Oh god, even bigger skill issue

 

[Lawpy]

Honestly can't wait to be paired with him, especially in a relatively low-power game like this.

Our combined sketchiness and TWTBW energy will drive the village to its knees.

*adds this as another reason in support of a Zenges/Truey hydra*

 

[Truenamer]

*adds this as another reason in support of a Zenges/Truey hydra*

Honesty the skeleton game felt like that a bit, since I could post but not actually do anything. Mostly just us strategizing in skeleton chat while Zengies did all the hard work on thread.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Our combined sketchiness and TWTBW energy will drive the village to its knees.

Would you say Zenge is inherently sketchy? I'm sort of surprised by that assessment.

 

[Truenamer]

Would you say Zenge is inherently sketchy? I'm sort of surprised by that assessment.

Absolutely, I don't think I'm alone in that opinion.

As some material evidence, he got misyeeted on D1 a couple games ago (with contributions to that misyeet by yours truly, sorry about that).

 

[Khepri]

Having to write that post twice really stressed me out.

 

[Lawpy]

His posts are fine to me so far.

Engaged 🤔

 

[Animal Midwife]

Your example was that she's done it as scum before. How does that lead to the conclusion that it's NAI? For it to be NAI, you would also need a reference to a town game.

She's also defended village reads as a villager before.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

As some material evidence, he got misyeeted on D1 a couple games ago (with contributions to that misyeet by yours truly, sorry about that).

I remember that misyeet. I just don't think I would say he's inherently sketchy in most of his games.

 

[Animal Midwife]

@Truenamer Are you caught up?

 

[mkg323]

Presently undecided. But I think the case against Fluff is flimsy and doesn’t really hold water.

Midwife seems like she is decided, and I don’t agree with that decisiveness on Fluff, or the case that’s been presented so far.

Hear me out. Yeet AM?

 

[Lawpy]

Hear me out. Yeet AM?

Explain soothingly

 

[Zenge142]

Hear me out. Yeet AM?

No. I think she’s wrong about fluff. I don’t think she’s wolfing.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Hear me out. Yeet AM?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Question I'm pondering: if Fluff is LHF, who looks worse for having pushed there?

 

[mkg323]

The latter

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Yeet Fluff

Let's see where this goes.

@NateTheLesser And where did it go?

 

[mkg323]

Question I'm pondering: if Fluff is LHF, who looks worse for having pushed there?

Fluff is a left hind fetlock?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

The latter

What?

 

[Zenge142]

I’d like to to explain, in your own words, what Santy’s case is. I’ll wait.

@Khepri I’m still waiting for you to answer this. Especially now that Santy is no longer voting for me, and voting you.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Fluff is a left hind fetlock?

Definitely

 

[potentialsheltervet]

@Khepri I’m still waiting for you to answer this. Especially now that Santy is no longer voting for me, and voting you.

This post makes me think you should put angry eyebrows on your PFP.

 

[Clem J]

To what?

I'm not totally following what you're saying. Are you saying he seems wolfy because he doesn't seem wolfy or he doesn't seem wolfy because he's being direct?

Last time I tr seven and others didn't

 

[Clem J]

Seven probably got it and santy mightve idk

 

[mkg323]

What?

I was replying to this:

To what?

I'm not totally following what you're saying. Are you saying he seems wolfy because he doesn't seem wolfy or he doesn't seem wolfy because he's being direct?

And somehow managed to reply without the quote included.