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Truenamer said:
Not yet, I'll post what I have so far. Sorry about today, 5K zonked me and I just haven't had the will to read the thread properly.

CATCH UP PART 1


This anger feels... like a Village Zenge who doesn't want to be D1 misyeeted again. Not going to lock in that read but it feels correct.


I think this is extremely fair given how little I've posted this D1.


Focusing on the Nate and Santy reads. I agree with the later Zenge post that the Nate read makes me narrow my eyes at Nate a bit.

The Santy read, I dislike. Maybe some of y'all have magical Santy-reading goggles, but from the performance I saw from him last game calling him "obvtown" at any point (but especially this early on) is dangerous to the point of being malpractice.


My skeleton is both spooky and scary, but I dislike this response from AM. Which means... probably nothing, she's always snarky like this.


Don't love this but I get that Nanook is not very familiar with most of us. Still, you're not a green baby noob, you're good at this, and we're getting close to the end of the cycle. Hope there's been more from him since this.


Grappling with the same thing. I hope she doesn't have to be a wolf during her first game back in a while.
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Its more about my time/availablity/energy than anything else
 
potentialsheltervet said:
@NateTheLesser And where did it go?
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I was curious to tie it up and see if anyone took the opportunity to push the Fluff or Zenge wagon into the lead, but the vote moves after that were a couple votes leaving the Zenge wagon (Genny unvoting, and Santy moving to Khepri), which didn't ping me as pushing any particular agenda.
 
Clem J : Not much AI , them refusing to move to Kephri its kinda villagery unless they are paired with them, which I doubt. But its not something that weights much tho.
potentialsheltervet: Their solving and fact-checking stuff is very hard to not read as villa for me, specially cuz it is stuff with intent and wanting to solve in their view. Kephri pointed out the discomfort in the Clem vote, but I think if they are a wolf with intent on voting Clem, they dont *quote* jjj post here which would be discouraging for their push?
mkg323: Not very much reason to lean in any way or the other. I think they have a kind of anti consensus take in sussing me and it seems genuine. But dont have a good read there
justafluff: Their post replying to their worldview stuff was good, and seemed pretty nuanced. I didnt sus particularly some of the other posts other slots did, but I wouldnt make much to protect them atm.
genny: I have.... Nothing here. The only thing I want to avoid is yeeting them D1 again, specially if they randed Villa would suck wowee
Khepri: I think their read on me could be them trying to get on my good side tbh. They are a good player so their solving isnt clearing tbh. Its important to see where their solve leads them . I also weighing Clem V!read here tho.
Zenge142: I sussed them early, but they pulled their weight and did some stuff tbh. And are getting townread by people who know him more, so that obviously makes me waver.
Truenamer: I dont have a good read on them, now that they are catching up and possibly have more realtime posts can develop a better read here tbh
NateTheLesser: Already talked about it. I see a play with more intent/solving altho being similar to last game. So I am leaning Villa here
Animal Midwife: Nothing that makes me lean on one alignment. Zenge has a hardtownread here, doubting it would be W/W and I respect V!Zenges read either way so I am okay not bothering here today too much
Santygrass: I am Villa. If you cant see it, skill Issue.
Lawpy: Their questioning of stuff and free flowing? Makes me lean them villa. There were some posts/reads that felt villagery to me but at top of my head cant remember them, Skill Issue. Zenge also having a TownLean here made my feel a little better on the read and ended up as fairly confident Villa
 
Santygrass said:
Clem J : Not much AI , them refusing to move to Kephri its kinda villagery unless they are paired with them, which I doubt. But its not something that weights much tho.
potentialsheltervet: Their solving and fact-checking stuff is very hard to not read as villa for me, specially cuz it is stuff with intent and wanting to solve in their view. Kephri pointed out the discomfort in the Clem vote, but I think if they are a wolf with intent on voting Clem, they dont *quote* jjj post here which would be discouraging for their push?
mkg323: Not very much reason to lean in any way or the other. I think they have a kind of anti consensus take in sussing me and it seems genuine. But dont have a good read there
justafluff: Their post replying to their worldview stuff was good, and seemed pretty nuanced. I didnt sus particularly some of the other posts other slots did, but I wouldnt make much to protect them atm.
genny: I have.... Nothing here. The only thing I want to avoid is yeeting them D1 again, specially if they randed Villa would suck wowee
Khepri: I think their read on me could be them trying to get on my good side tbh. They are a good player so their solving isnt clearing tbh. Its important to see where their solve leads them . I also weighing Clem V!read here tho.
Zenge142: I sussed them early, but they pulled their weight and did some stuff tbh. And are getting townread by people who know him more, so that obviously makes me waver.
Truenamer: I dont have a good read on them, now that they are catching up and possibly have more realtime posts can develop a better read here tbh
NateTheLesser: Already talked about it. I see a play with more intent/solving altho being similar to last game. So I am leaning Villa here
Animal Midwife: Nothing that makes me lean on one alignment. Zenge has a hardtownread here, doubting it would be W/W and I respect V!Zenges read either way so I am okay not bothering here today too much
Santygrass: I am Villa. If you cant see it, skill Issue.
Lawpy: Their questioning of stuff and free flowing? Makes me lean them villa. There were some posts/reads that felt villagery to me but at top of my head cant remember them, Skill Issue. Zenge also having a TownLean here made my feel a little better on the read and ended up as fairly confident Villa
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Why did you organize the list this way?
 
Santygrass said:
*Santy is doing an unpairing read which is correct. > I'll take it. (Doesnt happen here)

*Santy is doing an unpairing read which is correct. > I dont agree with the logic of it so I am going to question santy (Doesnt happen)

*Santy is doing an unpairing read which is correct. > I dont agree with that logic, so I am going to dismiss it and brush that solving path aside. (This is what happens, and its like the least pro-Villa of the three imo)
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@Zenge142 this is the portion of Santy's discussion with me that made me reconsider.
 
Day 1: Life Finds A Way Vote Tally

Khepri (2) - Santy, Zenges
Zenges (2) - Clem, Khepri
Santy (1) - True
mkg ()
fluff (2) - AM, Nate
Clem ()
Nate (3) - Lawpy, fluff, PSV

10/12

Missing: @genny @mkg323

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~1 hour)

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unyeet Santy

Not convinced he's village but I just can't punish all this legwork he's putting in
 
NateTheLesser said:
I love when defenses of me are basically "well his D1 sucked last time too" 😀

I'm generally a much better mid and late-game player.
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Lmaoo. But I am saying that I actually feel like you are doing better here! Like I can see more intent of solving compared to last game.

Im going to check last game tho cuz @potentialsheltervet doesnt think the same. If u can quote me some of the posts where you feel like they are putting their own thoughts or something like that?
 
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First of all, high level: Fluff and Zenge make a lot of sense as a pair. I say this despite currently having them both on the village side of neutral, but if one flips W we should look hard at the other. Might just be a lot of friendly agreement, and Zenge is probably too good of a wolf to be that obvious, but nobody's perfect. Something to keep in mind.

justafluff said:
Wouldn't that be silly of w!me? Why would I try to pocket Zenge instead of staying quiet and let his wagon grow?
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If you're a wolf and he's village, it gives you some nice minor V points if he gets misyeeted and you try to stop it. Because then you can say "why would I have tried to stop it" even though you didn't really swing for the fences defending him.

NateTheLesser said:
Is that how you read it?

It's not a strong enough defense of Zenge to read as pockety, to me. Like it's more of a "Zenge seems normal" read than "Zenge seems town".
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Agree with this. Feeling okay about Nate right now. Maybe slightly different vibes than last game but I wouldn't want to vote him today based on what I'm seeing.

mkg323 said:
Santy... although maybe I just have a skill issue

this is a strong D1 for him IMO, he's been interacting with almost everyone, and has had strong logic. wolf zenge makes me feel more slimy. As for the 'rn' it means I've quelled enough of my paranoia to decide he's ok rn. things could change in the future, who knows, I have PTSD from those furry pockets.
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Yeah, I don't click with Santy's reads super well. And I also like the Zenge we're seeing.

Zenge142 said:
AM is my strongest town read.

Village leans on Lawpy and PSV.

I didn’t play the last game, I was modding. I don’t usually read games when I’m modding so idk.
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Elaborate on the AM read for me?

Lawpy said:
Oh this brings up an important point

It’s basically an SDN WW courtesy not to kill off players D1/N1 when they have just modded the previous game. Just FYI
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Hopefully not relevant at this point but I would feel pretty bad if we misyeet Zenge fresh off another misyeet and modding a game. Would feel like big village skill issue.

Clem J said:
Oh no

Anyways
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Yeah, it's not a hard rule; if next game Dubz opens up D1 with a huge rojo and then openwolfs the rest of the day, we're not giving her a free pass. Except for me, because I've built a small cottage in her pocket.

Also I realize that statement is probably incomprehensible due to all the slang but I'm in a hurry to catch up, so pls forgive.

Zenge142 said:
Why would a wolf try to pocket the leading wagon when they’re hours away from getting misyeeted?

Seems like a waste of time and effort.
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As I said above, it's minimal time and effort for some free points.

Lawpy said:
@Truenamer updated thoughts on the game so far?
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Hopefully these posts count
 
Santygrass said:
Clem J : Not much AI , them refusing to move to Kephri its kinda villagery unless they are paired with them, which I doubt. But its not something that weights much tho.
potentialsheltervet: Their solving and fact-checking stuff is very hard to not read as villa for me, specially cuz it is stuff with intent and wanting to solve in their view. Kephri pointed out the discomfort in the Clem vote, but I think if they are a wolf with intent on voting Clem, they dont *quote* jjj post here which would be discouraging for their push?
mkg323: Not very much reason to lean in any way or the other. I think they have a kind of anti consensus take in sussing me and it seems genuine. But dont have a good read there
justafluff: Their post replying to their worldview stuff was good, and seemed pretty nuanced. I didnt sus particularly some of the other posts other slots did, but I wouldnt make much to protect them atm.
genny: I have.... Nothing here. The only thing I want to avoid is yeeting them D1 again, specially if they randed Villa would suck wowee
Khepri: I think their read on me could be them trying to get on my good side tbh. They are a good player so their solving isnt clearing tbh. Its important to see where their solve leads them . I also weighing Clem V!read here tho.
Zenge142: I sussed them early, but they pulled their weight and did some stuff tbh. And are getting townread by people who know him more, so that obviously makes me waver.
Truenamer: I dont have a good read on them, now that they are catching up and possibly have more realtime posts can develop a better read here tbh
NateTheLesser: Already talked about it. I see a play with more intent/solving altho being similar to last game. So I am leaning Villa here
Animal Midwife: Nothing that makes me lean on one alignment. Zenge has a hardtownread here, doubting it would be W/W and I respect V!Zenges read either way so I am okay not bothering here today too much
Santygrass: I am Villa. If you cant see it, skill Issue.
Lawpy: Their questioning of stuff and free flowing? Makes me lean them villa. There were some posts/reads that felt villagery to me but at top of my head cant remember them, Skill Issue. Zenge also having a TownLean here made my feel a little better on the read and ended up as fairly confident Villa
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This is good, I was going to ask for more on how your Zenge read specifically had changed. Since until fairly recently you'd seemed like a dog with a bone. Is it mostly other people's reads that are influencing you there?
 
Truenamer said:
CATCH UP PAGE 8

First of all, high level: Fluff and Zenge make a lot of sense as a pair. I say this despite currently having them both on the village side of neutral, but if one flips W we should look hard at the other. Might just be a lot of friendly agreement, and Zenge is probably too good of a wolf to be that obvious, but nobody's perfect. Something to keep in mind.


If you're a wolf and he's village, it gives you some nice minor V points if he gets misyeeted and you try to stop it. Because then you can say "why would I have tried to stop it" even though you didn't really swing for the fences defending him.


Agree with this. Feeling okay about Nate right now. Maybe slightly different vibes than last game but I wouldn't want to vote him today based on what I'm seeing.


Yeah, I don't click with Santy's reads super well. And I also like the Zenge we're seeing.


Elaborate on the AM read for me?


Hopefully not relevant at this point but I would feel pretty bad if we misyeet Zenge fresh off another misyeet and modding a game. Would feel like big village skill issue.


Yeah, it's not a hard rule; if next game Dubz opens up D1 with a huge rojo and then openwolfs the rest of the day, we're not giving her a free pass. Except for me, because I've built a small cottage in her pocket.

Also I realize that statement is probably incomprehensible due to all the slang but I'm in a hurry to catch up, so pls forgive.


As I said above, it's minimal time and effort for some free points.


Hopefully these posts count
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You do realize that what you said about me defending Zenge and what you agreed with Nate in the quote below kinda contradict each other right?
 
Truenamer said:
Yeah, it's not a hard rule; if next game Dubz opens up D1 with a huge rojo and then openwolfs the rest of the day, we're not giving her a free pass. Except for me, because I've built a small cottage in her pocket.
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Dang you pre-empted my response 😛
 
justafluff said:
You do realize that what you said about me defending Zenge and what you agreed with Nate in the quote below kinda contradict each other right?
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How so? I agree with him that it's a very minor defense, but that doesn't mean it can't give you some village points if he ends up getting yeeted and flipping village.
 
Santygrass said:
Clem J : Not much AI , them refusing to move to Kephri its kinda villagery unless they are paired with them, which I doubt. But its not something that weights much tho.
potentialsheltervet: Their solving and fact-checking stuff is very hard to not read as villa for me, specially cuz it is stuff with intent and wanting to solve in their view. Kephri pointed out the discomfort in the Clem vote, but I think if they are a wolf with intent on voting Clem, they dont *quote* jjj post here which would be discouraging for their push?
mkg323: Not very much reason to lean in any way or the other. I think they have a kind of anti consensus take in sussing me and it seems genuine. But dont have a good read there
justafluff: Their post replying to their worldview stuff was good, and seemed pretty nuanced. I didnt sus particularly some of the other posts other slots did, but I wouldnt make much to protect them atm.
genny: I have.... Nothing here. The only thing I want to avoid is yeeting them D1 again, specially if they randed Villa would suck wowee
Khepri: I think their read on me could be them trying to get on my good side tbh. They are a good player so their solving isnt clearing tbh. Its important to see where their solve leads them . I also weighing Clem V!read here tho.
Zenge142: I sussed them early, but they pulled their weight and did some stuff tbh. And are getting townread by people who know him more, so that obviously makes me waver.
Truenamer: I dont have a good read on them, now that they are catching up and possibly have more realtime posts can develop a better read here tbh
NateTheLesser: Already talked about it. I see a play with more intent/solving altho being similar to last game. So I am leaning Villa here
Animal Midwife: Nothing that makes me lean on one alignment. Zenge has a hardtownread here, doubting it would be W/W and I respect V!Zenges read either way so I am okay not bothering here today too much
Santygrass: I am Villa. If you cant see it, skill Issue.
Lawpy: Their questioning of stuff and free flowing? Makes me lean them villa. There were some posts/reads that felt villagery to me but at top of my head cant remember them, Skill Issue. Zenge also having a TownLean here made my feel a little better on the read and ended up as fairly confident Villa
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Do you feel like khepri is trying to pocket people
 
Day 1: Life Finds A Way Vote Tally

Khepri (2) - Zenges, genny
Zenges (2) - Clem, Khepri
Santy (1) - True
mkg ()
fluff (2) - AM, Nate
Clem ()
Nate (3) - Lawpy, fluff, PSV

10/12

Missing: @mkg323 @Santygrass

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~1 hour)

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NateTheLesser said:
This is good, I was going to ask for more on how your Zenge read specifically had changed. Since until fairly recently you'd seemed like a dog with a bone. Is it mostly other people's reads that are influencing you there?
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The post questioning Khepri about the questioning of fluff pocketing regarding how Khepri was viewing the game I think was fairly villa too?

Like, yeah I think it can be a hit. But I can see a world where they could be villa. And the people from SDN said they *are* villa. So I wont be stubborn/?
 
Santygrass said:
The post questioning Khepri about the questioning of fluff pocketing regarding how Khepri was viewing the game I think was fairly villa too?

Like, yeah I think it can be a hit. But I can see a world where they could be villa. And the people from SDN said they *are* villa. So I wont be stubborn/?
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I'm not going to stake my honor on Zenge being a villager (especially not after the AM debacle last game) but I do think I can read him better than I can read her, and he feels good today.
 
mkg323 said:
Do you feel like khepri is trying to pocket people
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No. I felt more specifically thet their read on me was off. And could fit with a pocket.
But their explanations of some stuff were fine and I can vibe with some of their reads
 
Santygrass said:
The post questioning Khepri about the questioning of fluff pocketing regarding how Khepri was viewing the game I think was fairly villa too?

Like, yeah I think it can be a hit. But I can see a world where they could be villa. And the people from SDN said they *are* villa. So I wont be stubborn/?
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Yes, but the people from SDN have also stated that they've never hit Zenge unless he was mechanically outted.
 
Lawpy, PSV . If not Nate, where would you go today?
 
Santygrass said:
No. I felt more specifically thet their read on me was off. And could fit with a pocket.
But their explanations of some stuff were fine and I can vibe with some of their reads
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I don't follow this reaction as it's vastly different than the one from the last game where I also early town read you. And I think there I didn't even give reasoning until asked. I'm surprised my explanation to your question doesn't satisfy you, as I thought the same thoughts on the difference between how Zenge approached Clem vs Lawpy was a golden mindmeld.
 
Truenamer said:
I'm not going to stake my honor on Zenge being a villager (especially not after the AM debacle last game) but I do think I can read him better than I can read her, and he feels good today.
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Wait, what makes you think you can read him better than me? You literally misyeeted him last time you played together.
 
Khepri said:
I don't follow this reaction as it's vastly different than the one from the last game where I also early town read you. And I think there I didn't even give reasoning until asked. I'm surprised my explanation to your question doesn't satisfy you, as I thought the same thoughts on the difference between how Zenge approached Clem vs Lawpy was a golden mindmeld.
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My threadposition is vastly different in this game than in champs tbh.
Also yeah, your explanation was sufficient? But I cant fully buy it myself. The townread is appreciated tho
 
Khepri (2) - Zenges, genny
Zenges (2) - Clem, Khepri
Santy (1) - True
mkg ()
fluff (2) - AM, Nate
Clem ()
Nate (3) - Lawpy, fluff, PSV

@Clem J
 
Santygrass said:
Lawpy, PSV . If not Nate, where would you go today?
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I’m thinking fluffy. I’m not exactly sure why the Sevens wagon picked up speed but I actually thought Sevens made a good point on fluffy that I mentioned earlier, and I disagree with the notion that fluffy’s a low hanging fruit.

I’m also wary of Nanooks but I’ve been looking at the games you linked that’s making me think a bit more carefully. I didn’t like that Nanooks was essentially being dodgy in his earlier posts when asked questions and then giving out town reads with little explanation. But Nanooks’s later post about the Sevens read made me think a bit more. I know in SF3, Nanooks was pretty much openly agreeing with Kobas very early D1 and was town there.

I would also be wary of village reading Zenges based on that anger post alone. Zenges was known to be genuinely angry as wolf before (see Bioshock from 2021 when he was genuinely mad over the right wolf, wrong reason). That said, I think Zenges is putting up a good effort in solving so I generally feel ok about him.

I’m a little unclear why MKG suggested to yeet AM and she didn’t explain further so that was weird to me.
 
Khepri said:
Yes, but the people from SDN have also stated that they've never hit Zenge unless he was mechanically outted.
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Mechanically outted also included being vig shot by AM's definition, so it's not like they've nver hit wolf Zenge, just killed him by other means than voting
 
Santygrass said:
Lmaoo. But I am saying that I actually feel like you are doing better here! Like I can see more intent of solving compared to last game.

Im going to check last game tho cuz @potentialsheltervet doesnt think the same. If u can quote me some of the posts where you feel like they are putting their own thoughts or something like that?
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I tend to spend more time prodding at other people's worldviews in the early going.

As of right now I think You, PSV, Genny, and AM are town (not in any sort of order).

I read Zenge's early posts the same way you did, and I townread your stubbornness there despite a decent amount of pushback. I find that wolves will soften their stance more quickly if they start feeling like a push could backfire.

PSV tone-wise seems the same as last game, and they've been putting in effort to dig up meta from prior games. I've gotten a solving mindset from that.

Genny has hit a couple town points for me. One was underlining True's little jailer soft. Wolves tend to put that in a back pocket rather than drawing attention to it. Also thought p#152 from her showed depth of thought, pointing out an inconsistency in True's response to a question he asked AM.

AM I'm townreading for a possibly dumb reason but I'm going with it for now.

I've liked the work Khepri's putting in, but he also feels different here than the town games I spectated. Less... "floaty"? Not sure how to describe it, and there's also the grain of salt that it's a new community he hasn't played in before.
 
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