WildZoo's WWild ZZoo Part 2 - Game Thread

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Also, I am not townreading Zenge angery post cause in that line of posts, they were trying to paint me as some sort lf tunneler that was the culprit of making the day all center around him. Which was simply untrue and misrepping my posts. So it could be wolfy defense in my eyes.

Weh.

Zenge what is your read on Fluff?
 
Mechanically outted also included being vig shot by AM's definition, so it's not like they've nver hit wolf Zenge, just killed him by other means than voting
Regardless, considering the track record, ethos isn't a valid approach to sorting you.
 
Clem J : Not much AI , them refusing to move to Kephri its kinda villagery unless they are paired with them, which I doubt. But its not something that weights much tho.
potentialsheltervet: Their solving and fact-checking stuff is very hard to not read as villa for me, specially cuz it is stuff with intent and wanting to solve in their view. Kephri pointed out the discomfort in the Clem vote, but I think if they are a wolf with intent on voting Clem, they dont *quote* jjj post here which would be discouraging for their push?
mkg323: Not very much reason to lean in any way or the other. I think they have a kind of anti consensus take in sussing me and it seems genuine. But dont have a good read there
justafluff: Their post replying to their worldview stuff was good, and seemed pretty nuanced. I didnt sus particularly some of the other posts other slots did, but I wouldnt make much to protect them atm.
genny: I have.... Nothing here. The only thing I want to avoid is yeeting them D1 again, specially if they randed Villa would suck wowee
Khepri: I think their read on me could be them trying to get on my good side tbh. They are a good player so their solving isnt clearing tbh. Its important to see where their solve leads them . I also weighing Clem V!read here tho.
Zenge142: I sussed them early, but they pulled their weight and did some stuff tbh. And are getting townread by people who know him more, so that obviously makes me waver.
Truenamer: I dont have a good read on them, now that they are catching up and possibly have more realtime posts can develop a better read here tbh
NateTheLesser: Already talked about it. I see a play with more intent/solving altho being similar to last game. So I am leaning Villa here
Animal Midwife: Nothing that makes me lean on one alignment. Zenge has a hardtownread here, doubting it would be W/W and I respect V!Zenges read either way so I am okay not bothering here today too much
Santygrass: I am Villa. If you cant see it, skill Issue.
Lawpy: Their questioning of stuff and free flowing? Makes me lean them villa. There were some posts/reads that felt villagery to me but at top of my head cant remember them, Skill Issue. Zenge also having a TownLean here made my feel a little better on the read and ended up as fairly confident Villa
@Santygrass Since you unyeeted Khepri, who are you wolf-reading, if anyone?
 
Zenge what is your read on Fluff?
I'm not super committed to a village read, but there have been a number of Fluff's posts, this being the most recent
You do realize that what you said about me defending Zenge and what you agreed with Nate in the quote below kinda contradict each other right?
That I read and feel like this is coming from a villager.
 
I’m thinking fluffy. I’m not exactly sure why the Sevens wagon picked up speed but I actually thought Sevens made a good point on fluffy that I mentioned earlier, and I disagree with the notion that fluffy’s a low hanging fruit.

I’m also wary of Nanooks but I’ve been looking at the games you linked that’s making me think a bit more carefully. I didn’t like that Nanooks was essentially being dodgy in his earlier posts when asked questions and then giving out town reads with little explanation. But Nanooks’s later post about the Sevens read made me think a bit more. I know in SF3, Nanooks was pretty much openly agreeing with Kobas very early D1 and was town there.

I would also be wary of village reading Zenges based on that anger post alone. Zenges was known to be genuinely angry as wolf before (see Bioshock from 2021 when he was genuinely mad over the right wolf, wrong reason). That said, I think Zenges is putting up a good effort in solving so I generally feel ok about him.

I’m a little unclear why MKG suggested to yeet AM and she didn’t explain further so that was weird to me.
It was a joke not an actual push
 
@Santygrass Since you unyeeted Khepri, who are you wolf-reading, if anyone?
I am munching between Zenge>Fluff>Khepri kindof rn. Genny and mkg are near there in my PoE, but with Clem and Nate vreading genny, I feel bettwr about them too.

So between Zenge/Fluff>Khepri>>>>>>>MKG>>>>>Clem/genny maybe the yeet?
 
Day 1: Life Finds A Way Vote Tally

Khepri (2) - Zenges, genny
Zenges (1) - Clem
Santy (1) - True
mkg ()
fluff (2) - AM, Nate
Clem ()
Nate (3) - Lawpy, fluff, PSV
Truey (2) - Khepri, Santy

11/12

Missing: @mkg323

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~34 minutes)

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And I'd say I town lean Lawpy/MKG/Clem.

That just leaves True/Khepri/Fluff/Zenge as shades of POE.
 
And Zenge , if you will. I want to know soecifically what you think of their read on you
 
Im going to check last game tho cuz @potentialsheltervet doesnt think the same. If u can quote me some of the posts where you feel like they are putting their own thoughts or something like that?
Yeah. Let me take a look
Lawpy, PSV . If not Nate, where would you go today?
Good question 🤔
Thinking more on who I have the firmest village reads on, I'd say Zenge, AM, Lawpy, and (a little lighter) True thus far feel pretty solid. genny and mkg I don't have much data on. You, fluff, and Khepri are floating in neutrals. If I couldn't go Nate, tbh I'd probably go back to Clem-- I haven't seen anything to make me re-eval him.
Im feeling comfy with shielding Nate. I will vote anyone not named Psv/Lawpy if I can avoid Nate yeet today
Wow, you feel that strongly about Nate being town?
I'm going to grab the quotes that are giving me pause so you can look at them, but if you're so confident on him maybe I shouldn't go there. I think your TR is stronger than my SR on him.
 
She just ate my lunch as a wolf last game, so I was fishing a bit to see how touchy she was.

She was not very touchy at all. She didn't even seem to think that I was implying that she was a wolf this game. Pondering what that means.
I can't remember if I brought this up in the ISO I did, but I agree with Genny that the last line is off here. Like the obvious conclusion to this would be that the response is town indicative of AM because she wasn't sensitive to the fact that True was implying she was scum. And like Genny said, if her response helped True why was he still pondering it?
 
Yeah. Let me take a look

Good question 🤔
Thinking more on who I have the firmest village reads on, I'd say Zenge, AM, Lawpy, and (a little lighter) True thus far feel pretty solid. genny and mkg I don't have much data on. You, fluff, and Khepri are floating in neutrals. If I couldn't go Nate, tbh I'd probably go back to Clem-- I haven't seen anything to make me re-eval him.

Wow, you feel that strongly about Nate being town?
I'm going to grab the quotes that are giving me pause so you can look at them, but if you're so confident on him maybe I shouldn't go there. I think your TR is stronger than my SR on him.
I feel like we are reaching a similar worldview/PoE while having different type of reads + them feeling better to me than in their last game to me.
The D1 of Nate last game was them kinda going along with consensus and picking up a little in EoD and a shield ffom JJJ that moved the yeet from him. But yeh, would be glad to discuss the posts that give you pause to double check
 
I'm sorry, Truenamer can't be scum because he hasn't made a strong enough attempt to pocket me! 😡
 
I forgot about TRUE LOL

Yeet True

I can't remember if I brought this up in the ISO I did, but I agree with Genny that the last line is off here. Like the obvious conclusion to this would be that the response is town indicative of AM because she wasn't sensitive to the fact that True was implying she was scum. And like Genny said, if her response helped True why was he still pondering it?

@genny
 
VCA unpairing thought for later is that I don't think True/Zenge are w/w. I wouldn't expect True's vote to have been that static if they were partners. (It's probably also unpairing to a lesser extent with True/Fluff).
 
I vibed with the True read of fluff/zenge feeling paired tho. But its a weird read to make when you are Villa reading them both, I am kinda mulling over on that in what could it mean?
 
I am Villa reading Khepri right now too
 
VCA unpairing thought for later is that I don't think True/Zenge are w/w. I wouldn't expect True's vote to have been that static if they were partners. (It's probably also unpairing to a lesser extent with True/Fluff).
Could you elaborate on this a bit in terms of staticness?
 
VCA unpairing thought for later is that I don't think True/Zenge are w/w. I wouldn't expect True's vote to have been that static if they were partners. (It's probably also unpairing to a lesser extent with True/Fluff).
True and Zenge?
 
Day 1: Life Finds A Way Vote Tally

Khepri (2) - Zenges, genny
Zenges (1) - Clem
Santy (1) - True
mkg ()
fluff (2) - AM, Nate
Clem ()
Nate (3) - Lawpy, fluff, PSV
Truey (2) - Khepri, Santy

11/12
Winning: @NateTheLesser
Close behind: @Khepri @Truenamer
Missing: @mkg323

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~20 minutes)

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Wait, what makes you think you can read him better than me? You literally misyeeted him last time you played together.
Because his misyeet felt wrong and I doubted myself the entire time.

Meanwhile last game I was absolutely, 100% fooled by you.
 
Mmmmm... I actually don't like this. I mean it's fair, but it tingles my "nudge along a misyeet without getting hands dirty" sensor.

##Yeet AM##

Mk. It didn't really strike me one way or the other either. On first blush, it seemed like an "easy" vote to make, in the sense that it doesn't step on anyone's toes on their home turf and of the newcomers I probably have the least, I dunno, "clout"? But on skim I saw his further reasoning which seemed fine, so we'll just see how that develops I guess.

I didn't say it was those things.

I think it was the timing more than anything, soon after Jay's switch to me. It's admittedly thin, but I don't have much of a foothold in the game yet until I finish catching up.

Okay, so my M.O. with forum games thus far is that when I'm catching up it feels weird to ask questions that may have been asked/answered already, which makes me want to get completely current before really giving concrete thoughts, which if post volume is high or I'm busy means that I'm never quite current and don't end up saying much, and this is not helpful for the gamestate in general or helping people get a read on me.

SO, I'm "current" as of roughly page 12 (basically through my AM vote and the immediate response) and I'll give some thoughts up to that point. And I see that there aren't that many new pages since then, so I can catch up the rest of the way.

JJJ is my top town read, and I don't really understand Clem's scum read there. Tinfoil from the people here who are unfamiliar with Jay I would understand since he's new to them and stepping into a town leader role. I've only had one game with him but to me his enthusiasm seems genuine rather than just going through the motions of projecting "town leader Jay". What's looked best on a full read has been that any time there was a thread that I noted as worth pulling, Jay was there pulling it shortly after. An example of this is p#144 where he's tagging Empire to make sure a question from AM gets answered. The only off part in his play so far is that he seemed kind of thrown off-kilter by Clem's scum read.

The rest are leans, roughly-ish ordered:

Lean Town
April
PSV
Santy

Neutral
Samac
Genny
Sporty
Clem
AM

Lean Wolf
Empire
True

I can expand on those as necessary, I think one notable bit is AM/Empire: I voted AM, the response was kinda OMGUSy but that's whatever, not necessarily AI depending on the player. My vote was because it seemed to me she could have been reacting to Jay's vote on me in a way that would solidify it, but she was actually reacting to an Empire post that fits the bill even better as that sort of ping (it was the post where Empire was saying he likes Jay's vote on me but doesn't think it's the right POE). So that shifted those two around. I'm not putting AM higher than neutral at this point though since on a full read I didn't see a whole lot of pushes or reactions to things (other than my vote, and at least up to page 12).

The other notable bit is True. In short, I can see why he's POE. And (caveat that the game is never as easy as it seems) those two seem compatible. An early interaction for example was True on page 2 getting paranoid about the early JJJ town core, and then Empire townreading True for it shortly after. (Samac had the opposite take and scumread True for it, so that's an interesting unpairing if any of those flip wolf). I also noticed that True seemed in the early game to be interested in getting the "noobs" into the game mechanically (explaining rules and such) but not necessarily engaging them in solving. There was also an interesting interaction on page 3 with AM where he backed off after some fairly light pushback with a townread: "Going to stake my (slowly) developing reading card on AM on her being village".
Another note was p#404 where he was reluctant to slap together a reads list because he's "gotten himself into trouble" doing that before, which seems a little too concerned with how the reads will be perceived that with what those reads are.

Anyway I don't really wallpost but this has turned into one so I'll leave it there for now and continue catching up. I plan on moving my vote to True or Empire once I'm current (not totally sure what the wagons look like currently).
So the above here, to me, feels distinctly different from what is going on this game. He *does* have questions in there too, but you can see there's quite a bit of additional content with offering his own thoughts, a reads list, etc.
@Santygrass
 
Because his misyeet felt wrong and I doubted myself the entire time.

Meanwhile last game I was absolutely, 100% fooled by you.
You never moved though. If you had moved before EOD, I'd accept this argument.
 
Day 1: Life Finds A Way Vote Tally

Khepri (2) - Zenges, genny
Zenges ()
Santy (1) - True
mkg ()
fluff (2) - AM, Nate
Clem ()
Nate (4) - Lawpy, fluff, PSV, Clem
Truey (2) - Khepri, Santy

11/12
Winning: @NateTheLesser
Missing: @mkg323

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~18 minutes)

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