WildZoo's WWild ZZoo Part 2 - Game Thread

[Khepri]

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I think I’m pretty spewed town by Lawpy. He was invested in a lot of my points toward other people like in clarifying why SDN credibility didn’t matter in reading Zenge.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Remembered that Khepri had done some early ISOs of most (all?) of the players on D1 so I found the one for Lawpy:

Lawpy


This is town indicative to me. The tone of it. Although Lumi just made a post like this as mafia at the beginning of the Champs finale so maybe I shouldn't be reading into it. Actually, the context is somewhat different. The Zenge post really is quite NAI so this reaction feels real to me.


Lawpy seems to be keen on in dismantling town reads of Zenge



@Lawpy why the preoccupation with Zenge reads?

Mentions something town indicative but then points out that Lawpy seemed to be putting a lot of energy into pushing back against town reads of Zenge, which is true. And doesn't really seem like something that a partner would draw attention to.

 

[Khepri]

@Zenge w!Santy would have no reason to hop off the True wagon EOD1. Leading the fluff yeet would make him look bad when he could have just let me push v!True.

PSV displayed a strong lack of TMI regarding Lawpy’s alignment. Her meta digs were very genuine.

Nanook is the only other feasible partner with Lawpy. Though I’m open to someone finding something in Lawpy’s posts that indicate otherwise.

 

[NateTheLesser]

@Zenge w!Santy would have no reason to hop off the True wagon EOD1. Leading the fluff yeet would make him look bad when he could have just let me push v!True.

PSV displayed a strong lack of TMI regarding Lawpy’s alignment. Her meta digs were very genuine.

Nanook is the only other feasible partner with Lawpy. Though I’m open to someone finding something in Lawpy’s posts that indicate otherwise.

Eh, I wouldn't clear Santy for that. Last game he was a wolf and led a flashwagon misyeet on D1 when no wolves were in danger. Not sure he can help himself, regardless of alignment. He has a thrill issue.

On Nanook, I've seen some early sus from Lawpy toward Nook due to him sheeping Santy's vote D1 without justifying it. Haven't dug completely into what they've said about each other.

 

[Khepri]

Ok so I just took a look at Santy’s EoD1 play in the previous game. I’d say it’s different. It was a last minute flash wagon and he didn’t really seem to care who was eliminated. I actually don’t think he really expected it to take off. Here, he was actively pushing for fluff.

Also there’s some vibe meta differences as well.

 

[kaydubs]

Day 3 Big Brain Vote Tally

Truey (3) - Santy, Khepri, Clem
Khepri (1) - True

4/8!!!
Missing: @NateTheLesser @mkg323 @potentialsheltervet @Zenge142

Deadline: 10pm EDT TODAY (~14.75 hours)

 

[NateTheLesser]

So today I'm faced with the question, why is Khepri tunneling me? Why is Santy borderline tunneling me? I think the answer is that one of them has the other pocketed. It makes everything else line up. I don't know which of the two is the wolf and which is being led along, but I know we have a day to figure it out.

What you working on to figure this out, True? As of right now you'd be the shrug yeet. I've seen you reacting to things, but if you're Town you need to be solving.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Is anyone else reading Lawpy? He did a fair amount of talking, especially Night 1. Page 16 is a good place to start if you want to poke through some of his posts. I'm looking back at earlier D1 to see what he said while the Khepri wagon was a thing (but I've got some meetings this morning so it'll be a bit).

 

[NateTheLesser]

@Santygrass - Do you think it's significant that the night kill wasn't someone in our little "towncore"?

 

[Santygrass]

@Santygrass - Do you think it's significant that the night kill wasn't someone in our little "towncore"?

I think Zenge was the obvious kill, there's no way anyone would sus Zenge today, so the wolf made the choice to leave Zenge alive for some reason.
That doesnt add up with a W!Khepri mindset in my mind

 

[Khepri]

I think Zenge was the obvious kill, there's no way anyone would sus Zenge today, so the wolf made the choice to leave Zenge alive for some reason.
That doesnt add up with a W!Khepri mindset in my mind

Does it line up with W!Santy?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Do you?

Explain why

Maybe I need to revisit for context, but saying the static vote could be due to true not being caught up feels mildly defensive? Like, instead of saying it's intentionally wolfy to hang out on the same vote, it's a "well, he may not be caught up so let's not judge him too harshly for it"

Is anyone else reading Lawpy? He did a fair amount of talking, especially Night 1. Page 16 is a good place to start if you want to poke through some of his posts. I'm looking back at earlier D1 to see what he said while the Khepri wagon was a thing (but I've got some meetings this morning so it'll be a bit).

Apparently I'm not reading Lawpy well 🤣

 

[Santygrass]

Does it line up with W!Santy?

Neither the AM or genny kill lines up with me/? . Killing Psv/Zenge would be far better for a W!me scenario wowee

Also I think Lawpy not self pressing mean they accepted their death probably, so that perspective I think is somewhat clearing for both me and Psv too since we were the ones shaking thing a bit outside of that? Its a weird logic but it makes sense in my head I swear

 

[Santygrass]

Why is the above a slip? Because the perspective takes for granted that True is town. I point this out, and then Lawpy tacks on some "if True is a wolf" reasoning:

@NateTheLesser I think you are missing a kind of big thing in your read on it.
If the wolf team is Lawpy/True , W!Lawpy saying that the unpaired read between True and Zenge isnt good, its something that has a clear wolf motivation: If W!True flips, Zenge doesnt get cleared.
I dont think there is a point where them just slips with their perspective with True as town, more likely a lowkey shield on True if anything? Or maybe I'm not fully getting it, but I dont see that as clearing for True in the slightlest

Like, W!Lawpy knows that W!True was in fact not caught up , but seeing that its being used as an argument to possibly clear another player if they flip Wolf, is something that they would want to refute.

 

[Santygrass]

I haven't re-read Lawpy fully because I was mostly looking for the above conversation, but I also found a couple other instances where he was signal boosting scumreads on True:

Also. Take into account that + them saying in D2 they would want to focus in fluff voters. True I think we can all agree that had the worst placed vote there.
Yet Lawpy never pushed there much and voted Clem in an instance where True had already 1 vote, as in dismissing making True a competitive wagon.
Lawpy Didnt selfpres into True either.

Like, just looking at the stuff and with the numbers we have, True is a slot that should never be alive in LyLo and I think their the most likely hit anyways , since I have better reasons to townread everyone else

 

[Santygrass]

Especially considering that when I made my gut call on Lawpy last night, I was asked a fairly binary question: Lawpy or Zenge?

Why is this relevant? Like, it was me who did it, not Khepri at all I think? And It me asking a slot of my PoE between the other 2? My PoE was super clear and you bringing up that this way I feel its more like trying to get on Zenge's good side more than an actual line of sus.
As if 'They made me choose between you and Lawpy and I chose to trsut you Zenge! *Furry puppy eyes*

So you if want to position me as Lawpy's partner, I'd ask: why the hell wouldn't I have taken the lifeline and gone for Zenge? If instead of being a confused Villager I was instead a wolf, fresh off the killing of the Village's only PR, why would I hem and haw and sit on my vote for nearly a full day cycle? Why would I then, after hemming and hawing, leap onto my partner and start a lethal wagon on him? I know that I'm good at moving votes. There's a reason I've never been misyeeted, it's not just how cute I am. So why would I do that?

I wouldn't. It would be bad gameplay, a jerk move to Lawpy, and would decrease my winrate versus just trying to undermine Zenge or spin up wild WIFOM as I went down

First, I am going to use your own words:

Zenge and Lawpy are absolutely not paired unless Lawpy managed to get Zenge to break his very firm no-bussing stance, which I don't see happening at this point in the game.

Lawpy does want to be bussed as a wolf, but Zenge wouldn't do it.

Second:

Vote Spreadsheet​

Day 2 Votes

So, Minday since 14:05, you were lead wagon, being the counterwagon Lawpy.
Then, your wagon got bigger. At the moment you voted Lawpy, it was a situation in that it was super likely that one of you was getting yeeted always. And I think by your own words Lawpy would actually want you to vote them. It didnt work out and you got yeeted anyways? That was still good because your vote would be somewhat unpairing for Lawpy. If the wagon got competitive and Lawpy got yeeted, you would look good. If you had voted Zenge or Clem, if one lf you got yeeted that day as it was likely, the other one would just look super paired. It is what it is.
And the fact that since you were Lead wagon there was a 6 hours gap (more if we count since the moment you were tied) I think its also an indicator of you resisting going against Lawpy tbh, to then end up voting there when the situation seemed like it wasnt going to change.

If you have a Wolf game in where you can show me at you voting early and trying to shift the day in a situation benefitial for you, I might reconsider. But I already said it D2, the lack of fighting back and passiveness when you were lead wagon pinged me as wolfy, and still does.

So today I'm faced with the question, why is Khepri tunneling me? Why is Santy borderline tunneling me? I think the answer is that one of them has the other pocketed. It makes everything else line up. I don't know which of the two is the wolf and which is being led along, but I know we have a day to figure it out.

Have you worked on this? You think there is absolutely no chance that we are Villa for pushing you? Like, why does W!Khepri or W!Santy push you in that way, if then W!Lawpy doesnt follow up or try to self pres on a wagon their scum partners worked so hard to lead?

 

[Clem J]

@Zenge w!Santy would have no reason to hop off the True wagon EOD1. Leading the fluff yeet would make him look bad when he could have just let me push v!True.

PSV displayed a strong lack of TMI regarding Lawpy’s alignment. Her meta digs were very genuine.

Nanook is the only other feasible partner with Lawpy. Though I’m open to someone finding something in Lawpy’s posts that indicate otherwise.

Wowee

 

[Truenamer]

It worked yesterday, let's run it back

It worked yesterday? Weren't you camped on Lawpy literally the entire day?

 

[Truenamer]

What you working on to figure this out, True? As of right now you'd be the shrug yeet. I've seen you reacting to things, but if you're Town you need to be solving.

Was asked to step away from the game last night to cool off, which was probably wise. Running a reactor today, will be doing my best to contribute to the solve.

Random mid-meeting thoughts

Zenge is the only person fully off the table. I believe the yeet of genny over him indicates a non-SDNer who isn't as familiar with his very firm no-bussing stance (though even a loose no-bussing stance would have been obliterated by his case on Lawpy).

Clem's comment about a vote on me "working yesterday" feels very weird since he literally held a vote on Lawpy all day.

Some of the "unpairing" interactions that people are referencing between themselves and Lawpy feel... pretty basic? Like, whoever Lawpy's partner is, they're a good wolf. Every non Truenamer person in this game is a good wolf. They know to just just be best buddies all game.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Some of the "unpairing" interactions that people are referencing between themselves and Lawpy feel... pretty basic? Like, whoever Lawpy's partner is, they're a good wolf. Every non Truenamer person in this game is a good wolf. They know to just just be best buddies all game.

Hmm? Can you clarify what you mean by this?

 

[Truenamer]

What you working on to figure this out, True? As of right now you'd be the shrug yeet. I've seen you reacting to things, but if you're Town you need to be solving.

I'm also going to push back on me being the "shrug yeet," because the reasoning behind the push is weird and flimsy. I'm still trying to understand why people see me as the easy or default option. Beyond Clem, who's been in autopilot sheep mode since D1.

 

[Truenamer]

Hmm? Can you clarify what you mean by this?

Sorry, typo. They know better than to just be best buddies all game.

Super weird for very experienced players to look at a couple vague pushes and call them "unpairing" when the vote record says something totally different.

 

[Truenamer]

But I already said it D2, the lack of fighting back and passiveness when you were lead wagon pinged me as wolfy, and still does.

Deeply sorry for having a day job

 

[Truenamer]

Deeply sorry for having a day job

Also HOW THE HELL am I PASSIVE AND NOT FIGHTING BACK when I turned village from a misyeet to a wolf kill. Did you read last night? Holy cow, could you be more disingenuous?

unyeet Khepri

yeet Santy

Not going to play a single more in game day with this guy, please god Thunderdome us.

 

[Santygrass]

Show me you pushing Lawpy to make sure Village wouldnt yeet you

 

[WildZoo]

Day 3 Big Brain Vote Tally

Truey (3) - Santy, Khepri, Clem
Khepri ()
Santy (1) - True

4/8
Missing: @NateTheLesser @mkg323 @potentialsheltervet @Zenge142

Deadline: 10pm EDT TODAY (~6.5 hours)

 

[Truenamer]

Show me you pushing Lawpy to make sure Village wouldnt yeet you

I feel good about PSV and Lawpy being Village.

And comparing to last game , I feel like Nate has made more villagery posts tbh, so I am leaning village there too. Psv just said that they are like asking question to see where to follow, but I felt they felt with more *intent* to figure out stuff, they voted a little more freely compared with last game and all. Like, PSV dont you agree that the reasons you are saying rn apply to Nate last game too?


Clem not moving to Kephri also should be alignment indicative weh. Still undecided if Zenge/Kephri are both Villa, gut says no, but also that a misyeeting one of them to flip Villa is kinda bad. And dont want to just be 'lol my reads are better you tr on Zenge mean nothing to me'

Fluff post regarding their gameview also felt villagery. So should re-eval maybe.

Summarized:

Village: Santy-PSV-Lawpy
VillaLean: Nate
Munching: Everyone else
Hmmm Tier: Zenge / Kephri

How about yourself, Santy? You seem to be quite happy with him during my scan of the thread. And you seem to be in a much worse mood today. No memes, no jokes. Wheels coming off of the wolfpack wagon?

Anyway,

Fluff doesn't feel amazing, I understand stuff about Clem's meta and business but they've done nothing to sell me on being an active pro-village participant in the game...

No other clear negative feelings but if I had to draw a circle around the pack, I think there might be one in Lawpy/MKG/Nate, just due to the three of them hitting a level of "participating just enough in just the right ways".

I was flustered and felt like I needed to choose one of the three wagons to put my vote on. Felt very weak to spend all that time catching up and not make an impactful vote, but when push came to shove I didn't have a clear wolf-read.

Of the folks up for debate, I felt like fluff had the most clear moments that felt like Wolf!Fluff. I also feel like I have a bias problem against the new folks, and I was trying to compensate for that. Once the vote went through, buyer's remorse kicked in, and fluff's immediate reaction felt like misyeeted fluff, not caught-wolf fluff.


Falling asleep so I will give more in the morning:

Never played with you as a wolf (aside from your valiant attempt to sub into a game last minute), but I appreciate the way you've been playing in the active solving attempts you've been making. Need more time to get a feel for you.

Khepri is very confusing to me. I feel like they're neutral right now, but it's a "has a bunch of village points and Wolf points" kind of neutral, not "floating in the Beige Zone" kind.

Santy's doing a decent JJJ impression, I do think I can say at this point that he feels different from last game. Enough that I want to village read him despite my fear of being gotten by the same person twice in a row.

PSV is very likely village.

Zenge feels good.

AM is AM, recalibrating my reads on her from last game. Hoping we can solve her with voting analysis.

Clem is in a similar confusion wagon with Khepri where I feel like he's got moments I really like and moment that feel very sketchy or "wolf trying to slide by"

MKG feels less wolfy than usual? Like, not very wolfy. She feels like a normal participatory villager.

Uh

I'm missing people. If I'm missing you, I apologize, half asleep, will do everyone proper in the morning.

One Small Lawpy ISO

Spoiler: Please Click

This felt like the kind of intro I'm used to from Lawpy, such that I can be used to any of his gameplay. He's done the rng "dartboard reads" before. I'd only be concerned about that if he decided to hold onto them after actual content had been generated, which he didn't.


He has a few posts like this that felt like normal, productive gameplay. Not going to quote them all, he's got four pages of posts and counting.


I found this reasonable.


Beginning of his Nate vote, not elaborated on at the moment.



More general questioning/info gathering.


Little bit of fluff sussing


Contributing to the discussion about how hard of a push Zenge is as a wolf, clarifies that Zenge has never been successfully yeeted early as a wolf (though he has been otherwise killed early as a wolf).


Shows some curiosity about Clem, there are some follow-ups to this that don't reveal more of his thoughts. But a definite focus.


Didn't jump on the chance to misyeet AM, but also no pushback. Just questioning.


Dislikes Nate's vote on Fluff.


Then goes there himself with this. Raises Clem as another option. Raises doubt on Zenge. Minor suss of MKG and defense of AM.


He is doing his traditional analysis posts where he points out stuff that happened without giving more of his thoughts. Several of these scattered through the pages.




Q&A Lawpy




Shows some concern/confusion with Khepri and Clem.


After reading everything, I'm inclined to agree. Lots of posts, I was able to generally follow his thoughts, though he keeps stuff close to the chest.


I agree with this. Defensive Lawpy always sits up in his chair to type.


Hmm. This POE feels like "list of people I think I can get them to misyeet." Not saying that there aren't wolves in this group, but if you had to make a list of the most misyeetable remaining villagers, it wouldn't be far off from this.

tl;dr (but pls read): I don't think I see the case for Howling!Lawpy, but I see why others might. He's kept his nose mostly out of trouble; no firm attacks/pushes, and his vote targets are softer ones.

The fact that AM was the night kill has been bugging me all day.

But would that be too obvious for Lawpy on D1?

Answering your Q's in order.

It is affecting my reads. I know some folks don't like NK analysis due to it leading to too much circular reasoning and guessing, but I tend to find that wolves in my games haven't gone for zany 3rd-level logic with their NKs; they kill the people who they either think are about to out them, or who they think will never get misyeeted, or preferably both. So who would want AM dead? Feels more likely to be an SDNer, I think, but that might be a false assumption.

I'm torn on you. You really are feeling quite different from last game, you've stepped into the general role JJJ took last game. As someone who's been preoccupied this weekend, I appreciate it a lot. But at the same time, you're more than competent enough as a wolf to be eating our lunch right now with this very forward/dominant stance. You may have NK'd AM because she was just your wolf buddy and so has a better view into your wolf mentality than the average person in this game. But I don't think that's the case, for now, even though I'm always going to be warier of people who've just beaten me.

Not strong opinions on the start of this day, aside from the fact that it felt like people moved on from the NK very quickly. You guys have given the games a different rhythm than I'm used to, and it's made me feel a bit more disconnected than usual. I think a bit of it is that I don't feel as comfortable tossing things out onto the thread as casually.

Zenge is being pushier than I'm used to from him this early. I suppose it is D2, but his play is markedly more aggressive and confrontational than I expect from him. I'll note that he's been intentionally trying to change/up his play, so that might not be AI, but it's definitely a data point to consider. He's in my POE.

As for the overall gamestate? You and PSV are solid, not worried about either of you at the moment. Need to review genny and MKG. Zenge and Lawpy both feel a little more aggro than I expect from them, so I'm trying to see how their reads and pushes progress. Having trouble understanding Khepri's everything, they vacillate between very towny and very sus to me. Clem seems to be "blending with the gamestate" in the same way you feel I am.

Why would it be hard for you to not sus me? You were just in a game with me and I don't think my play was materially different. No need for either of us to have a skill issue over this, Santy. I do acknowledge that I've been extra out of it this weekend aside from last night, but my house is properly clean for the first time in a couple weeks and I ran a 5K, so I can't bring myself to feel bad about not being online enough. I'm going to be stuck at a computer for most of my workday tomorrow, so you will absolutely see more of me.

Proper readlist in the morning.

Christ, he's being weird as hell and he might not be here because he doesn't need to worry about anything.

He also resolves Zenge. He probably resolves Clem, who is also sus.

Yeet Lawpy.

Feels like he's dramatically scaled back his small Q&A bit, less Lawpisms, less goofing. I was chalking it up to his mood or the new people making him feel less comfortable being silly, but it could be an alignment thing.

 

[Santygrass]

I think there might be one in Lawpy/MKG/Nate, just due to the three of them hitting a level of "participating just enough in just the right ways"

'I think' , 'there might' *list of 3 names*

Never played with you as a wolf (aside from your valiant attempt to sub into a game last minute), but I appreciate the way you've been playing in the active solving attempts you've been making. Need more time to get a feel for you

This is not even a push and is super passive, which is my whole point

Santy's doing a decent JJJ impression, I do think I can say at this point that he feels different from last game. Enough that I want to village read him despite my fear of being gotten by the same person twice in a row.

Standing Emoji

One Small Lawpy ISO

Spoiler: Please Click

This felt like the kind of intro I'm used to from Lawpy, such that I can be used to any of his gameplay. He's done the rng "dartboard reads" before. I'd only be concerned about that if he decided to hold onto them after actual content had been generated, which he didn't.


He has a few posts like this that felt like normal, productive gameplay. Not going to quote them all, he's got four pages of posts and counting.


I found this reasonable.


Beginning of his Nate vote, not elaborated on at the moment.



More general questioning/info gathering.


Little bit of fluff sussing


Contributing to the discussion about how hard of a push Zenge is as a wolf, clarifies that Zenge has never been successfully yeeted early as a wolf (though he has been otherwise killed early as a wolf).


Shows some curiosity about Clem, there are some follow-ups to this that don't reveal more of his thoughts. But a definite focus.


Didn't jump on the chance to misyeet AM, but also no pushback. Just questioning.


Dislikes Nate's vote on Fluff.


Then goes there himself with this. Raises Clem as another option. Raises doubt on Zenge. Minor suss of MKG and defense of AM.


He is doing his traditional analysis posts where he points out stuff that happened without giving more of his thoughts. Several of these scattered through the pages.




Q&A Lawpy




Shows some concern/confusion with Khepri and Clem.


After reading everything, I'm inclined to agree. Lots of posts, I was able to generally follow his thoughts, though he keeps stuff close to the chest.


I agree with this. Defensive Lawpy always sits up in his chair to type.


Hmm. This POE feels like "list of people I think I can get them to misyeet." Not saying that there aren't wolves in this group, but if you had to make a list of the most misyeetable remaining villagers, it wouldn't be far off from this.

tl;dr (but pls read): I don't think I see the case for Howling!Lawpy, but I see why others might. He's kept his nose mostly out of trouble; no firm attacks/pushes, and his vote targets are softer ones.

Even when you ISO Lawpy, you keep being passive with the stand of 'I dont see it but I could see why other might'

The fact that AM was the night kill has been bugging me all day.

But would that be too obvious for Lawpy on D1?

Zenge had already made this point, and you boost it while... Putting it in doubt here.

Still you not pushing Lawpy at all and being passive sorry not sorry True.

I'm torn on you. You really are feeling quite different from last game, you've stepped into the general role JJJ took last game. As someone who's been preoccupied this weekend, I appreciate it a lot. But at the same time, you're more than competent enough as a wolf to be eating our lunch right now with this very forward/dominant stance. You may have NK'd AM because she was just your wolf buddy and so has a better view into your wolf mentality than the average person in this game. But I don't think that's the case, for now, even though I'm always going to be warier of people who've just beaten me.

As for the overall gamestate? You and PSV are solid, not worried about either of you at the moment.

This two are in the same post. Khepri already signaled it.
But you spend a whole paragraph talking about paranoia on me, to then say you're not worried about me. And its not like an 'oops i mistyped a word' . Its just a whole perspective slip right here that just points at your rambling about me just being all fake

Christ, he's being weird as hell and he might not be here because he doesn't need to worry about anything.

He also resolves Zenge. He probably resolves Clem, who is also sus.

Yeet Lawpy.

Feels like he's dramatically scaled back his small Q&A bit, less Lawpisms, less goofing. I was chalking it up to his mood or the new people making him feel less comfortable being silly, but it could be an alignment thing.

And this are the posts that you have of you pushing somewhat Lawpy.... Your life was on the line, they were the counterwagon. I'm sorry I am not trying to be mean, but this is in no way the reason we got Lawpy yeeted. Like, there is a lack of conviction in wanting them to get yeeted, or just pure self preservation that a Villa would have of 'Lawpy is the better yeet even if im not sure because I am 100% sure I am town' kind of stuff.

So yeah, I still think you are lacking in that. If anything you are showing it up with trying to push me now, but I feel like you are picking up stuff to make me look bad rather than solve me. As if, answering the questions and stuff that I am saying that doesnt make sense in a me/Lawpy pack, or try to solve how our team would've gone about the day. Instead you are picking stuff that you think would make me look bad and saying them, as in: Me asking you about Zenge/Lawpy , me Villa reading Lawpy D1 (Surprise Zenge also dif) , me being in a worse mood???? . I just read them as you just trying to throw stuff to convince someone but not *solving*

 

[mkg323]

Sooo I might have gotten my days mixed up, and I’ve been at the Maryland 5* all day so I haven’t really had much time anyway. I realize the vote is between true and khepri but like just pointing out that what Santy did at EOD was not a good look.

 

[Truenamer]

Sooo I might have gotten my days mixed up, and I’ve been at the Maryland 5* all day so I haven’t really had much time anyway. I realize the vote is between true and khepri but like just pointing out that what Santy did at EOD was not a good look.

So far the only votes are Santy and Khepri on me, and I've moved from Khepri to Santy. I don't like how either of them are playing, but I think a read of all three days leaves Santy feeling a bit worse. Beyond that, I'm tired of his obsession with pushing me and acting like a moral authority despite me having a better record than him this game.

 

[NateTheLesser]

I think Zenge was the obvious kill, there's no way anyone would sus Zenge today, so the wolf made the choice to leave Zenge alive for some reason.
That doesnt add up with a W!Khepri mindset in my mind

Yeah not killing Zenge is WIFOM, that's whatever. But they also didn't kill anyone in our town block. And notably for a w!True world, I'm not sure why he wouldn't kill you.

@NateTheLesser I think you are missing a kind of big thing in your read on it.
If the wolf team is Lawpy/True , W!Lawpy saying that the unpaired read between True and Zenge isnt good, its something that has a clear wolf motivation: If W!True flips, Zenge doesnt get cleared.
I dont think there is a point where them just slips with their perspective with True as town, more likely a lowkey shield on True if anything? Or maybe I'm not fully getting it, but I dont see that as clearing for True in the slightlest

Like, W!Lawpy knows that W!True was in fact not caught up , but seeing that its being used as an argument to possibly clear another player if they flip Wolf, is something that they would want to refute.

Meh. This is during the night, was there any reason to expect that True would be in trouble the next day? If anything I expected Zenge to be the focal point D2 since your tunnel of him was the big feature of Day 1, so Lawpy going out of his way to tie his partner to Zenge and boost mentions of a True/Zenge team just seems.. bad. More likely to me is he was setting up for D2 to be about pushing a True/Zenge world, until Zenge opened the day by punching him in the face.

Also. Take into account that + them saying in D2 they would want to focus in fluff voters. True I think we can all agree that had the worst placed vote there.
Yet Lawpy never pushed there much and voted Clem in an instance where True had already 1 vote, as in dismissing making True a competitive wagon.
Lawpy Didnt selfpres into True either.

Like, just looking at the stuff and with the numbers we have, True is a slot that should never be alive in LyLo and I think their the most likely hit anyways , since I have better reasons to townread everyone else

Why would w!True jump on the misyeet there? She was already going over, he could just stand back and still wring his hands all he wants but not be on the misyeet. He wasn't in danger anymore, Lawpy wasn't ever in danger.

 

[Truenamer]

Yeah not killing Zenge is WIFOM, that's whatever. But they also didn't kill anyone in our town block. And notably for a w!True world, I'm not sure why he wouldn't kill you.


Meh. This is during the night, was there any reason to expect that True would be in trouble the next day? If anything I expected Zenge to be the focal point D2 since your tunnel of him was the big feature of Day 1, so Lawpy going out of his way to tie his partner to Zenge and boost mentions of a True/Zenge team just seems.. bad. More likely to me is he was setting up for D2 to be about pushing a True/Zenge world, until Zenge opened the day by punching him in the face.


Why would w!True jump on the misyeet there? She was already going over, he could just stand back and still wring his hands all he wants but not be on the misyeet. He wasn't in danger anymore, Lawpy wasn't ever in danger.

I would love if a not-me SDNer could confirm (or deny) that my wolf play has been *much* smoother and less frenetic than my Village play.

 

[NateTheLesser]

I'm also going to push back on me being the "shrug yeet," because the reasoning behind the push is weird and flimsy. I'm still trying to understand why people see me as the easy or default option. Beyond Clem, who's been in autopilot sheep mode since D1.

Well I seem to be the only who thinks you're Town, everyone else is either scumreading you or just at "yeet him and see if the game ends".

Also HOW THE HELL am I PASSIVE AND NOT FIGHTING BACK when I turned village from a misyeet to a wolf kill. Did you read last night? Holy cow, could you be more disingenuous?

unyeet Khepri

yeet Santy

Not going to play a single more in game day with this guy, please god Thunderdome us.

OMGUS really isn't going to help you.

 

[Clem J]

It worked yesterday? Weren't you camped on Lawpy literally the entire day?

Yeah thats the point? Lol

 

[Santygrass]

Yeah not killing Zenge is WIFOM, that's whatever. But they also didn't kill anyone in our town block. And notably for a w!True world, I'm not sure why he wouldn't kill you.

Ehhhhh , its obvious why they didnt kill me reading them after EoD2 ? They flipped their read on me so fast lol.

 

[Santygrass]

Yeah not killing Zenge is WIFOM, that's whatever. But they also didn't kill anyone in our town block. And notably for a w!True world, I'm not sure why he wouldn't kill you.

Also quote on the part when True made the godread on genny that they were always town and yadayada. I think it could be lead by a perspective slip there in the kill.
A wolf isnt much scared of genny because of their threadpull imo? And leaving Zenge alive is a choice, not WIFOM. They left him alive for something. Reading gamestate is quite obvious that everyone thinks they are just villa wowee

 

[Santygrass]

Why would w!True jump on the misyeet there? She was already going over, he could just stand back and still wring his hands all he wants but not be on the misyeet. He wasn't in danger anymore, Lawpy wasn't ever in danger

Me and Khepri were voting True, we had our eyes on him. They were pressured on that vote, knew it was on a Villa and felt bad about it pretty much is my read

 

[mkg323]

So far the only votes are Santy and Khepri on me, and I've moved from Khepri to Santy. I don't like how either of them are playing, but I think a read of all three days leaves Santy feeling a bit worse. Beyond that, I'm tired of his obsession with pushing me and acting like a moral authority despite me having a better record than him this game.

Neither were unpaired earlier right?

 

[kaydubs]

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not trying to rush the discussion but man, idk how I’m going to stay awake 5 more hours….
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[Santygrass]

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not trying to rush the discussion but man, idk how I’m going to stay awake 5 more hours….
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I think we are goong to yeet Dubz

 

[potentialsheltervet]

@Zenge142 Wya bro

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Yeet Clem

 

[potentialsheltervet]

(I'm driving rn. bad me driving and WWing)

 

[Santygrass]

Yeet Clem

No pls. VCA heavily points against it.

 

[WildZoo]

I think we are goong to yeet Dubz

BAD EGG
Revs microwave

 

[NateTheLesser]

Santy, early on you said you were townreading PSV because in her wolf game her pushes didn't seem like they had conviction behind them (or something like that). Have you seen that towny conviction from her here? Cuz I'm not really seeing any strong pushes.

 

[NateTheLesser]

If we yeet True and I'm wrong it wouldn't be the first time I've spent an entire day defending a wolf, but at least in this case the game would be over and I still win despite being the village idiot 😀

 

[potentialsheltervet]

No pls. VCA heavily points against it.

I don't want to yeet True though 🙁

 

[Zenge142]

Day 2: The Ants Just Wanna Have FUN Vote Tally

True (4) - Santy, genny, Khepri, Nate
Lawpy (2) - Clem, Zenge
genny ()
Clem (1) - Lawpy
mkg (1) - PSV

8/10

Danger zone: @Truenamer
Missing: @mkg323 @Truenamer

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~1.25 hours)

An hour + 15 before yeet close

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Santy, early on you said you were townreading PSV because in her wolf game her pushes didn't seem like they had conviction behind them (or something like that). Have you seen that towny conviction from her here? Cuz I'm not really seeing any strong pushes.

Tbh I'm more surprised Santy thought I ever have a lot of conviction because I typically just go "okay push here".
Ex: last game. "AM is probably a wolf" but I usually go off of vibes and that's *really* hard to justify in a way that gets other people to vote with you.
So, this game I've been attempting not to replicate that and actually try to substantiate my thoughts/feels. Also though I'm going through some WW fatigue and I was really hoping to be dead by this point 'cuz I'm kinda running out of steam.