WW: X-Men Official Game Thread

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Huh. I checked her posts, and ksmi only started posting in pics after the day 1 election. Before that she voted for dyachei and had a few about trying to figure out the time difference. I think items were initially distributed after that, too.

So ksmi, can you only post in pics because of an item? If so, is it an item you are currently holding?
 
dyachei said:
can you post what the item looks like?
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I'm so confused...

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Lissarae06 said:
Why the evil laugh? Did you give it to her?
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No! I was laughing at your question. Muahaha is my go to laugh, not evil for me. Sorry. I'm totally confused about her postings and am just entertained right now

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From Wikipedia:
Jason Stryker / Mutant 143: William Stryker's son. He was sent to Xavier's school in an attempt to "cure" his ability to create illusions. Returning home, Jason tortured his parents until his mother committed suicide. His father lobotomized him and uses a fluid from his brain to control mutants. Xavier's mind is too strong for the fluid, however, and Jason is instead used in order to manipulate him in Stryker's genocidal scheme.
 
Yes, Stryker! I couldn't remember the name either, obviously. Thanks, Lissa.
 
Sigh. Sure am glad we didn't go with my plan, which guaranteed 100% that we wouldn't lynch a villager, and instead went with Dyachei's plan, that had a much, much higher chance of killing a villager. Especially considering how awesomely useful that veto is later in the game!

Seriously, the only time I've heard anyone vociferously defend saving the veto was when they were on the side of wolves (including the time I defended saving it). I'd buy it if Dyachei had a good reason, but "now isn't the right time"? That's garbage.
 
LetItSnow said:
Sigh. Sure am glad we didn't go with my plan, which guaranteed 100% that we wouldn't lynch a villager, and instead went with Dyachei's plan, that had a much, much higher chance of killing a villager. Especially considering how awesomely useful that veto is later in the game!

Seriously, the only time I've heard anyone vociferously defend saving the veto was when they were on the side of wolves (including the time I defended saving it). I'd buy it if Dyachei had a good reason, but "now isn't the right time"? That's garbage.
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I call BS. I can see other uses for it. We disagree. I don't plan on holding on to it selfishly. But as first round, it isn't that useful to get rid of it. the likelihood of finding a wolf by night 2 is still slim. Whereas if I find out someone's role and they are a seer or protector, I can veto the lynch to save them as needed.
 
Just got back from baseball game--was trying to keep up between innings, but then my phone's battery died.

Sorry wolfspeaker. 🙁
 
LetItSnow said:
Sigh. Sure am glad we didn't go with my plan, which guaranteed 100% that we wouldn't lynch a villager, and instead went with Dyachei's plan, that had a much, much higher chance of killing a villager. Especially considering how awesomely useful that veto is later in the game!

Seriously, the only time I've heard anyone vociferously defend saving the veto was when they were on the side of wolves (including the time I defended saving it). I'd buy it if Dyachei had a good reason, but "now isn't the right time"? That's garbage.
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I agree with dyachei and will post more of my reasoning why when I get home...
 
dyachei said:
I call BS. I can see other uses for it. We disagree. I don't plan on holding on to it selfishly. But as first round, it isn't that useful to get rid of it. the likelihood of finding a wolf by night 2 is still slim. Whereas if I find out someone's role and they are a seer or protector, I can veto the lynch to save them as needed.
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Call BS all you want - the fact is you never gave a good REASON for disagreeing with me.

I proposed a rational, odds-based plan. You know that. You know my plan had merit. You never gave any good reason for disagreeing other than "now isn't the time."

Sure, day two is still slim - but it's LESS slim, and we have two full nights to get information. Per yer plan, we still have the same slim odds, but oh yeah, we're down one villager we didn't need to be down, and we got zero useful knowledge out of the loss.

I don't dispute that the lynch could be used to save a seer or protector - it's just that practically I've seen that happen exactly never. It either goes wasted (the vast majority of the time), or it ends up being used in a way that benefits the wolves (almost all the rest of the time).

What - precisely - have I said in the above paragraphs that is incorrect or that you disagree with?

I call BS on your calling BS.
 
LetItSnow said:
Call BS all you want - the fact is you never gave a good REASON for disagreeing with me.

I proposed a rational, odds-based plan. You know that. You know my plan had merit. You never gave any good reason for disagreeing other than "now isn't the time."

Sure, day two is still slim - but it's LESS slim, and we have two full nights to get information. Per yer plan, we still have the same slim odds, but oh yeah, we're down one villager we didn't need to be down, and we got zero useful knowledge out of the loss.

I don't dispute that the lynch could be used to save a seer or protector - it's just that practically I've seen that happen exactly never. It either goes wasted (the vast majority of the time), or it ends up being used in a way that benefits the wolves (almost all the rest of the time).

What - precisely - have I said in the above paragraphs that is incorrect or that you disagree with?

I call BS on your calling BS.
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So because you've never seen it happen, that means it won't? Good reasoning🙄
 
dyachei said:
So because you've never seen it happen, that means it won't? Good reasoning🙄
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I think it's excellent reasoning. Like I said: My plan had very high odds of making sure the lynch got used to protect an innocent. Your plan has very low odds.

So far all you've done to refute that is flat-out dismissal and, now, mockery.
 
LetItSnow said:
I think it's excellent reasoning. Like I said: My plan had very high odds of making sure the lynch got used to protect an innocent. Your plan has very low odds.

So far all you've done to refute that is flat-out dismissal and, now, mockery.
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You started with the mockery. In your first post after the lynch.

You want numerical reasoning? Ok. We have numbers on the wolves right now. Safely assume at least 3-4 wolves, right? Of 20? So like 5:1 odds? We may need the veto when we are closer to 2:1 odds. I'm not planning on using the veto on myself. But if we lose a villager with a minor role vs a villager with a major one, it makes a big difference in how the game is played.

I want to use it for a villager that is irreplaceable. Cast blame on me all you want, btw, I'm not a wolf, I just think differently than you
 
dyachei said:
You started with the mockery. In your first post after the lynch.

You want numerical reasoning? Ok. We have numbers on the wolves right now. Safely assume at least 3-4 wolves, right? Of 20? So like 5:1 odds? We may need the veto when we are closer to 2:1 odds. I'm not planning on using the veto on myself. But if we lose a villager with a minor role vs a villager with a major one, it makes a big difference in how the game is played.

I want to use it for a villager that is irreplaceable. Cast blame on me all you want, btw, I'm not a wolf, I just think differently than you
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This is really close to what I was going to say about using the veto this early. Especially when we are already a step ahead of the wolves because of the failed attack last night.
 
dyachei said:
You started with the mockery. In your first post after the lynch.

You want numerical reasoning? Ok. We have numbers on the wolves right now. Safely assume at least 3-4 wolves, right? Of 20? So like 5:1 odds? We may need the veto when we are closer to 2:1 odds. I'm not planning on using the veto on myself. But if we lose a villager with a minor role vs a villager with a major one, it makes a big difference in how the game is played.

I want to use it for a villager that is irreplaceable. Cast blame on me all you want, btw, I'm not a wolf, I just think differently than you
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I think my post was justified, considering you just blew off my proposal with nothing substantive in response. I'm not sure why you couldn't have just posted your thinking back then. You keep talking about not saving the veto to use for yourself, but I never suggested you were doing that. I haven't called your motivation into question, and I'm still not.

I still disagree. It's not as simple as you laid out. Not only do we need to get in a situation where we "need" the veto, but we have to be in a situation where somehow you uniquely know that the person being lynched is both valuable and a villager. Even if you want to mock me for noting that we've never actually seen that happen (one of the loungers mentioned it happening once in a lounge game, granted) ... you have to admit that the odds are pretty long of that situation coming up.

Seems to me we're much better off using the lynch on the first day and keeping that ratio that much higher that much longer.

In any case, first day is done, so I suppose it's not relevant anymore. But I don't buy your line of thinking. And you don't buy mine. *shrug*
 
LetItSnow said:
I think my post was justified, considering you just blew off my proposal with nothing substantive in response. I'm not sure why you couldn't have just posted your thinking back then. You keep talking about not saving the veto to use for yourself, but I never suggested you were doing that. I haven't called your motivation into question, and I'm still not.

I still disagree. It's not as simple as you laid out. Not only do we need to get in a situation where we "need" the veto, but we have to be in a situation where somehow you uniquely know that the person being lynched is both valuable and a villager. Even if you want to mock me for noting that we've never actually seen that happen (one of the loungers mentioned it happening once in a lounge game, granted) ... you have to admit that the odds are pretty long of that situation coming up.

Seems to me we're much better off using the lynch on the first day and keeping that ratio that much higher that much longer.

In any case, first day is done, so I suppose it's not relevant anymore. But I don't buy your line of thinking. And you don't buy mine. *shrug*
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Obviously I urge people to let me know however they can if they have role that needs to be saved. I can only do so much, but I think that is better than using it on any villager. I think it has to do with value per avg villager.

I see the veto as a tool and I don't want to toss it away so the wolves can't use it, I want to use it effectively and not let the wolves get it. Higher risk but higher reward
 
LetItSnow said:
I don't dispute that the lynch could be used to save a seer or protector - it's just that practically I've seen that happen exactly never. It either goes wasted (the vast majority of the time), or it ends up being used in a way that benefits the wolves (almost all the rest of the time).
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This is the part where I assumed you questioned my motivation
 
I honestly think that the best time to do the lets waste the veto lynch is towards the middle/end of the game when there is a good chance that wolf numbers are closer to villager numbers. This keeps from lynching a villager at a crucial point in the game. Using it on day one is a waste of the veto, IMO.
 
dyachei said:
This is the part where I assumed you questioned my motivation
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Eh. I re-read it, and I don't see it calling you into question; it's just truth - it either goes wasted most of the time, or ends up benefiting the wolves when the mayor turns out to be a wolf. That's not directed at you; could just as easily be a mid-game election when the original mayor gets off'd or something. *shrug*
 
nyanko said:
I think what LIS is trying to say though is that the odds in the games we've seen it used in are better that it's used for evil purposes than good.
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Yeah, I know what he is saying. I was just trying to point out that earlier in the game it could be useful to villagers. Late in the game, I think it is only useful to the wolves. I personally think we should save it for the first few rounds in case someone useful is going to be lynched and if we don't use it by later in the game and have no idea who to lynch, burn it then.
 
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