WW: X-Men Official Game Thread

[nyanko]

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[LetItSnow]

In a lounge game (Skyrim) I was mayor and used the veto to save an innocent. It happens.

So in one game in the lounge it was used heroically. In zero games in the pre-vet forum has it been used heroically.

My point (that sorta seems to get consistently distorted by my opponents) is that we get more value-over-time if we were to consistently use it early in the games to save a villager, even a low-value one.

Saving one high-value villager once in ten games isn't more valuable than saving 6 or 7 low-value villagers in ten games to my way of thinking. Having a high villager:wolf ratio at the beginning isn't a good justification for needlessly squandering that ratio when we have the opportunity to keep it high for that much longer.

In my opinion. 🙂

 

[zanydogz]

sorry wolfspeaker 🙁

As for info and what not, I really don't have anything to add. I have some suspicions, but nothing concrete at this point. Let's wait and see what the night plays out.

 

[nyanko]

Yeah, I know what he is saying. I was just trying to point out that earlier in the game it could be useful to villagers. Late in the game, I think it is only useful to the wolves. I personally think we should save it for the first few rounds in case someone useful is going to be lynched and if we don't use it by later in the game and have no idea who to lynch, burn it then.

How we know who's useful?

 

[DVMDream]

why not?

That is ok because the feeling is mutual...

 

[LetItSnow]

Yeah, I know what he is saying. I was just trying to point out that earlier in the game it could be useful to villagers. Late in the game, I think it is only useful to the wolves. I personally think we should save it for the first few rounds in case someone useful is going to be lynched and if we don't use it by later in the game and have no idea who to lynch, burn it then.

For that situation you're talking about to arise, somebody would have to be on the lynching block who the mayor alone knows shouldn't be lynched. Since the mayor generally doesn't have any more communication ability than anyone else .... I see your point, but I'm skeptical.

 

[nyanko]

That is ok because the feeling is mutual...

well then your list is bull.

 

[Lissarae06]

How we know who's useful?

Say a seer clears dyachei or whoever and lets them know they are the seer. The seer is about to be lynched. It can be communicated to dyachei (either PM if possible or on the thread) that the player is useful. Useful player = saved. I'm not saying it always works but that I think we should wait a few rounds. I'm all for burning it later in the game.

 

[DVMDream]

well then your list is bull.

As is yours...

 

[nyanko]

Say a seer clears dyachei or whoever and lets them know they are the seer. The seer is about to be lynched. It can be communicated to dyachei (either PM if possible or on the thread) that the player is useful. Useful player = saved. I'm not saying it always works but that I think we should wait a few rounds. I'm all for burning it later in the game.

only relevant if a seer is in dyachei's group, eh?

 

[DVMDream]

Of course I could tell you why you are on my list but you must be willing to do the same for me...

 

[Lissarae06]

only relevant if a seer is in dyachei's group, eh?

Not necessarily. If the confidante was able to convince dyachei that the person being lynched was useful, it could be someone from any group. I just used a hypothetical situation.

 

[nyanko]

Of course I could tell you why you are on my list but you must be willing to do the same for me...

frankly i don't really care why i'm on your list. everyone's suspicious of some bs people for dumb reasons at the beginning of these games.

 

[DVMDream]

frankly i don't really care why i'm on your list. everyone's suspicious of some bs people for dumb reasons at the beginning of these games.

Fairly sure my reasoning is actually sound.

I have a feeling your only reason for being suspicious of me was because of the two attacks on the first night and going back the the whole sabertooth/wolverine thing which is complete BS.

 

[LetItSnow]

Say a seer clears dyachei or whoever and lets them know they are the seer. The seer is about to be lynched. It can be communicated to dyachei (either PM if possible or on the thread) that the player is useful. Useful player = saved. I'm not saying it always works but that I think we should wait a few rounds. I'm all for burning it later in the game.

Communicating it on the thread means communicating it to everyone, so in that scenario the mayor is on the same intelligence level (intelligence in the sense of info, not brains) as anyone else and would have no more or less reason to lynch or veto.

So really the only scenario it matters is when the seer, or somebody the seer clears AND can communicate with, can communicate directly and privately with the mayor.

Long shot. Long odds. Better to get a little return out of the veto every game.

 

[nyanko]

Fairly sure my reasoning is actually sound.

you shouldn't be so sure. because it's wrong. so all it "sounds" like is pffffffttttttttffffff

 

[DVMDream]

Communicating it on the thread means communicating it to everyone, so in that scenario the mayor is on the same intelligence level (intelligence in the sense of info, not brains) as anyone else and would have no more or less reason to lynch or veto.

So really the only scenario it matters is when the seer, or somebody the seer clears AND can communicate with, can communicate directly and privately with the mayor.

Long shot. Long odds. Better to get a little return out of the veto every game.

Yes, but I still think the best return from the veto is at that crucial moment where wolves is almost equal to villagers and not at the very beginning where it is obvious that the villagers way outnumber the wolves.

 

[LetItSnow]

frankly i don't really care why i'm on your list. everyone's suspicious of some bs people for dumb reasons at the beginning of these games.

I'm giving this a 👍 even though I can't parse it at all.

 

[LetItSnow]

Yes, but I still think the best return from the veto is at that crucial moment where wolves is almost equal to villagers and not at the very beginning where it is obvious that the villagers way outnumber the wolves.

I still disagree (because I think it will more often end up not getting used), but I think that makes a lot more sense than the "save a protector" argument.

 

[DVMDream]

you shouldn't be so sure. because it's wrong. so all it "sounds" like is pffffffttttttttffffff

Prove it is wrong...

Sorry but when you continuously keep bringing up that one of the silenced players could be a wolf. And keep bringing up the wolverine/wolf thing even after nohika posts this...

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=12681874&postcount=248

Then you try to discount someone saying that maybe one of the silencings was caused by an item (which krist later confirms happened) and you again try to make it seem like the attacks were related. Anything to bring attention to the two players that can't defend themselves. Sorry but that is suspicious in my eyes...

 

[DVMDream]

I still disagree (because I think it will more often end up not getting used), but I think that makes a lot more sense than the "save a protector" argument.

My point isn't for it to be used. My point is to lynch the person that has it at that point in the game in order to save a villager. I would never rely on someone to use it to save another player.

 

[nyanko]

lol are you really asking me to roleclaim on the 2nd night? that's pretty wolfish bro, gotta say.

totally gonna just sit here and believe whatever you and/or krist says. yeeeeep. nothing's been 'proven' about the 'claw' item or your attack either.

why don't you relax and take a hit and calm down.

 

[LetItSnow]

My point isn't for it to be used. My point is to lynch the person that has it at that point in the game in order to save a villager. I would never rely on someone to use it to save another player.

I got your point. I don't think it's going to happen frequently enough to make it more worthwhile than burning it early, though. Usually late in the game there's <somebody> to be suspicious of for at least <some> reason, as opposed to the early game where it's literally just RNG.

 

[LetItSnow]

I got your point. I don't think it's going to happen frequently enough to make it more worthwhile than burning it early, though. Usually late in the game there's <somebody> to be suspicious of for at least <some> reason, as opposed to the early game where it's literally just RNG.

... I should add (and would have except I couldn't edit - arrrrgh!), if it's NOT used early in the game, I totally agree that lynching the person who has it is the best later-game use for it.

 

[DVMDream]

lol are you really asking me to roleclaim on the 2nd night? that's pretty wolfish bro, gotta say.

totally gonna just sit here and believe whatever you and/or krist says. yeeeeep. nothing's been 'proven' about the 'claw' item or your attack either.

why don't you relax and take a hit and calm down.

No I don't want you to roleclaim on the second night. Just giving good reason to why I am suspicious. You have yet to give any good reasoning for why I am suspicious to you.

I honestly don't care if you don't believe me. I posted what was told to me from devyn about my attack, believe, don't believe it, I don't care either way.

I can't say anything about krist's silencing but I am very much inclined to believe that the two silencings had nothing to do with each other. Just my opinion.

I also have to work during the entire lynch cycle again tomorrow so everything that I know or that I think has to come out now.

Which also means I can't defend myself tomorrow should I end up being up for lynching which is why I was curious as to why you are suspicious of me, but I see I will not be able to receive that same knowledge as to what makes me suspicious.

 

[DVMDream]

I got your point. I don't think it's going to happen frequently enough to make it more worthwhile than burning it early, though. Usually late in the game there's <somebody> to be suspicious of for at least <some> reason, as opposed to the early game where it's literally just RNG.

Usually there is, but in the last game almost everyone had a name/role and had been "cleared" by someone. It happens. I had to basically jump off a cliff to get a wolf lynched.

 

[nyanko]

why'd you ask me to 'prove' my innocence then? sure sounds like you're trying to get me to give up my role. and now you're gonna backpedal from that?

 

[nyanko]

Usually there is, but in the last game almost everyone had a name/role and had been "cleared" by someone. It happens. I had to basically jump off a cliff to get a wolf lynched.

well if your reasoning was this "sound" i see why nobody wanted to believe you. 😉

(i didn't play nor follow the last game)

 

[DVMDream]

why'd you ask me to 'prove' my innocence then? sure sounds like you're trying to get me to give up my role. and now you're gonna backpedal from that?

I give up...

Seriously just want to know what makes me suspicious to you just to clear the air, but I am not going to get that same respect.

There are other ways of proving innocence than stating a role. Such as explaining your actions earlier. Seriously, why did you keep attempting to put suspicion on the two silenced players even after someone refuted your idea..

It doesn't add up. I am not backpedaling at all. Still want to know a reason for why continuously put suspicion on the two players that can not defend themselves. If you have a good reason, great, but after nohika's post it should have been dropped and it wasn't.

 

[DVMDream]

well if your reasoning was this "sound" i see why nobody wanted to believe you. 😉

(i didn't play nor follow the last game)

The wolves had alternative villager names basically everyone was "clear."

 

[nyanko]

There are other ways of proving innocence than stating a role. Such as explaining your actions earlier. Seriously, why did you keep attempting to put suspicion on the two silenced players even after someone refuted your idea..

It doesn't add up. I am not backpedaling at all. Still want to know a reason for why continuously put suspicion on the two players that can not defend themselves. If you have a good reason, great, but after nohika's post it should have been dropped and it wasn't.

oh no, someone refuted my idea!! no arguing! better just drop it!

um, because it's called 'discussing' ideas? which doesn't mean just dropping it at the first sign someone disagrees. for the record, i didn't mention crap about wolverine after nohika said that anyhow. maybe i have a good reason for thinking it's possible that a failed wolf attack would silence a wolf. maaaaaybbee????

 

[nyanko]

and maybe im also high as a kite.

 

[DVMDream]

oh no, someone refuted my idea!! no arguing! better just drop it!

um, because it's called 'discussing' ideas? which doesn't mean just dropping it at the first sign someone disagrees. for the record, i didn't mention crap about wolverine after nohika said that anyhow. maybe i have a good reason for thinking it's possible that a failed wolf attack would silence a wolf. maaaaaybbee????

Well I can 100% guarantee that if a wolf was silenced last night that wolf is krist. I am not a wolf. I still think that it is more likely that the incidents were not related unless someone has more sound information and if there had been more sound information that information should have been used during this past lynch and since it was not used I am going to go with the two attacks being completely unrelated. I already mentioned that I can not comment on krist's attack. Mine was definitely not an item at least not by the way devyn explained it. I honestly thought when I saw night 1 results pop up in my inbox that I had been killed already.

Still have yet to get how I am suspicious..🙄

 

[DVMDream]

and maybe im also high as a kite.

Just please promise me that anything you have to PM me in my WW game you do while high...

 

[nyanko]

Well I can 100% guarantee that if a wolf was silenced last night that wolf is krist. I am not a wolf. I still think that it is more likely that the incidents were not related unless someone has more sound information and if there had been more sound information that information should have been used during this past lynch and since it was not used I am going to go with the two attacks being completely unrelated.

don't make me go all occam's razor up in here

what if. and bear with me here. this might be CRAZY...but WHAT IF those who "have more sound information" about the attack is...tell me if you are still with me....A WOLF and therefore.....are you ready for this...~doesn't want to use the information for good~ 😱

oh man. how farfetched.

 

[DVMDream]

oh no, someone refuted my idea!! no arguing! better just drop it!

um, because it's called 'discussing' ideas? which doesn't mean just dropping it at the first sign someone disagrees. for the record, i didn't mention crap about wolverine after nohika said that anyhow. maybe i have a good reason for thinking it's possible that a failed wolf attack would silence a wolf. maaaaaybbee????

Here I feel like you are implying that you have information that could point to the failed wolf attack having silenced a wolf. Hence my "if someone had more sound information it should have been used."

don't make me go all occam's razor up in here

what if. and bear with me here. this might be CRAZY...but WHAT IF those who "have more sound information" about the attack is...tell me if you are still with me....A WOLF and therefore.....are you ready for this...~doesn't want to use the information for good~ 😱

oh man. how farfetched.

Then here you state that those with "more sound information" about the attack could be a wolf. Obviously, the wolves would have the most information about the attack and would use it to their benefit and not give us the benefit of that information. But it is almost like you just admitted to being a wolf with the way I am reading those two posts. Maybe I need to get high to understand it, because I know you are not trying to imply that you are a wolf, that would be stupid and unnyankolike.

 

[Abnerrs]

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I'm not even on the other end of your scrutiny and I feel nervous.
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[LetItSnow]

don't make me go all occam's razor up in here

what if. and bear with me here. this might be CRAZY...but WHAT IF those who "have more sound information" about the attack is...tell me if you are still with me....A WOLF and therefore.....are you ready for this...~doesn't want to use the information for good~ 😱

oh man. how farfetched.

Crazy talk. Go smoke some more and come up with something more grounded.

 

[nyanko]

i ain't nervous. she just gonna look real dumb whenever i end up dying and i'm not a wolf. she thinks she has a hard time convincing people of crap now....

 

[DVMDream]

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I'm not even on the other end of your scrutiny and I feel nervous.
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I think I may have permanently scarred you...

 

[Abnerrs]

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LOL I just mention that nyanko because in the last game I was a wolf and she was breathing on my neck 🙂
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[Abnerrs]

I think I may have permanently scarred you...

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You did!!!!
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[DVMDream]

i ain't nervous. she just gonna look real dumb whenever i end up dying and i'm not a wolf. she thinks she has a hard time convincing people of crap now....

Same would go for you....

And you STILL haven't given ANY reason as to why I am suspicious.

 

[LetItSnow]

i ain't nervous. she just gonna look real dumb whenever i end up dying and i'm not a wolf. she thinks she has a hard time convincing people of crap now....

DVMD has a tendency to not remember her 'misses' and only focuses on her 'hits'. 🙂

 

[nyanko]

Same would go for you....

And you STILL haven't given ANY reason as to why I am suspicious.

i am not saying i have ~confidence~ that my reasoning is "sound," i play off my gut most of the time.

i also haven't packed yet and i leave for denver to present a poster in like 9 hours. i think. what day is it again? 😕

 

[DVMDream]

Crazy talk. Go smoke some more and come up with something more grounded.

Seriously.... that post by nyanko was...

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No ****. Of course the wolves would have more information about their own attack than the villagers do.

 

[LetItSnow]

i am not saying i have ~confidence~ that my reasoning is "sound," i play off my gut most of the time.

i also haven't packed yet and i leave for denver to present a poster in like 9 hours. i think. what day is it again? 😕

Friday, 6/22.

 

[nyanko]

there's other people who didn't post in the silence thread but also didn't post at all during the day cycle or vote for a lynch. btw. don't think we shoudl be assuming everyone who was silenced posted in the other thread.

 

[DVMDream]

DVMD has a tendency to not remember her 'misses' and only focuses on her 'hits'. 🙂

I remember my misses too, they make me...🙁

Like wolfspeaker in the last game. 🙁

At least I know I had no part in her death this time.

At least I make an attempt to find and lynch wolves. Most everyone else sits around and waits for someone else to make a move too afraid that they just *might* lynch a villager or that they *might* make themselves a wolf target.

 

[DVMDream]

there's other people who didn't post in the silence thread but also didn't post at all during the day cycle or vote for a lynch. btw. don't think we shoudl be assuming everyone who was silenced posted in the other thread.

That is a fair point.