WWedding at the End of the WWorld: Game Thread

[cubsrule4e]

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Anyone got a recent tally?

 

[supershorty]

Anyone got a recent tally?

Gotchu.

Mel (1) - alley
Spooky ghost ()
Sloth (3) - genny, cubs, Bread
cubs (2) - Dina, Mel
Cray (1) - shorty
genny (1) - AM

 

[Crayola227]

@Crayola227 can you post a reads list please?

I'm not sure on everyone, but serious wolf vibes from Sloth. Also sus of Cubs. Those two for sure. Mel.

I need to reeval others.

Village vibes from AM, Dina, genny, Barks, but I say the last two with some hesitation.

I haven't done a good job of considering who was on/off Pleasy's wagon, so these reads are based on my reading.

 

[supershorty]

I'm not sure on everyone, but serious wolf vibes from Sloth. Also sus of Cubs. Those two for sure. Mel.

I need to reeval others.

Village vibes from AM, Dina, genny, Barks, but I say the last two with some hesitation.

I haven't done a good job of considering who was on/off Pleasy's wagon, so these reads are based on my reading.

Why Mel?

 

[PhiloslothicalStudent]

Shorty just asked about genny but why dina?

What do you think about what I said about his defense being too loud/obvious for him to be a wolf?

It's an interesting point that more than one individual has brought up, not sure I'm entirely sold on the matter. It could be their strategy this game?

starting to feel wolf-side of neutral for cray given her posts throughout this game
also feeling village-side of neutral on AM, still unsure about Mel though

 

[PhiloslothicalStudent]

oops i posted that before I was done typing

 

[PhiloslothicalStudent]

Shorty just asked about genny but why dina?

I went and did a search of all the posts in the game that mention Dina, nothing in her posts are making me suspicious of her, it seems like shes making an active effort on wolf hunting, I haven't read anything that has made me think she wasn't village

 

[Dinashadow]

It's an interesting point that more than one individual has brought up, not sure I'm entirely sold on the matter. It could be their strategy this game?

starting to feel wolf-side of neutral for cray given her posts throughout this game
also feeling village-side of neutral on AM, still unsure about Mel though

Where are you thinking of voting today/who are you finding wolfy?

 

[Dinashadow]

I'm not sure on everyone, but serious wolf vibes from Sloth. Also sus of Cubs. Those two for sure. Mel.

I need to reeval others.

Village vibes from AM, Dina, genny, Barks, but I say the last two with some hesitation.

I haven't done a good job of considering who was on/off Pleasy's wagon, so these reads are based on my reading.

What about cyndia?

What gives you village vibes for genny?

 

[Animal Midwife]

It's an interesting point that more than one individual has brought up, not sure I'm entirely sold on the matter. It could be their strategy this game?

starting to feel wolf-side of neutral for cray given her posts throughout this game
also feeling village-side of neutral on AM, still unsure about Mel though

Why am I village neutral and Cray wolf neutral? Also do you have updated thoughts on alley since you voted her last night?

 

[PhiloslothicalStudent]

Where are you thinking of voting today/who are you finding wolfy?

right now cray and cubs are pinging wolfy for me

 

[supershorty]

right now cray and cubs are pinging wolfy for me

What about Cray, specifically, is pinging you?

 

[Cyndia]

Would love to hear some thoughts from @The_Breadmann and @Cyndia when they're caught up, too.

I most definitely passed out on like page 2 last night lol. Trying again now, stay tuned for some reads in a little bit.

 

[supershorty]

Yeet Cray

We've been letting her coast and I have concerns detailed in post 741.

@genny, why did you like this?

 

[genny]

@genny, why did you like this?

I agree with your logic. Makes sense.

 

[PhiloslothicalStudent]

Why am I village neutral and Cray wolf neutral? Also do you have updated thoughts on alley since you voted her last night?

I am feeling wolf-side of neutral for cray because I specifically remember her always being very analytical in her thought processes, and I am seeing that less in this game.

I am feeling more village for AM, because like shorty had pointed out to me yesterday AM voted pleasy first and stayed on pleasy throughout all of D1 regardless of the other wagons that formed.

Not so many updated thoughts on Alley since she hasn't posted much this cycle... but she has been dealing with finals and tornados, so I would like to see more from her when she gets the chance

 

[alleycat03]

Didn't cray ask the wolf pack to bus in bioshock particularly when alley was on the chopping block? I can't remember.

@alleycat03 please weigh in

Yes she did. She also said that we could bus Zenge if Dina revealed. And that's how I ended up panic bussing Zenge. Then when I was silenced she had a whole plan on who should bus me and when. I don't remember the specifics and I have no energy to go look, but I think she and Cyndia both voted for me? And I think I voted for her but I'm not certain.

 

[supershorty]

Yes she did. She also said that we could bus Zenge if Dina revealed. And that's how I ended up panic bussing Zenge. Then when I was silenced she had a whole plan on who should bus me and when. I don't remember the specifics and I have no energy to go look, but I think she and Cyndia both voted for me? And I think I voted for her but I'm not certain.

I can look on my spreadsheet this evening. I have to go hang from the ceiling now though.

 

[alleycat03]

I guess I'm just hesitant to put Cray in the Stagg zone (unless sloth exactly is some vanilla or meme ability which would then be reasonable bussing again).

I really do not think Cray would bus unless she absolutely had to and it was "reasonable bussing." She told us in Bioshock that we should not bus until it seems inevitable for a packmate to go down. I would not label her as a deep wolf or unnecessary busser

 

[Cyndia]

Didn't cray ask the wolf pack to bus in bioshock particularly when alley was on the chopping block? I can't remember.

@alleycat03 please weigh in

@Cyndia could weigh in here too if she remembers

I went back and glanced at the first 2 pages of wolf chat and in it she said something about wanting to be being prepared to bus if we needed to, but also later said something about only going in that direction if it looked like that wolf was going to be going down anyways. So I wouldn't say she was super gung ho on bussing from the get go (idk about the rest of the game as I didn't look at the remainder of the 20 pages of chat). I also can't remember when alley was on the chopping block though I think it was early and prior to zenge being outed, so that might line up with those statements?

 

[Cyndia]

Yes she did. She also said that we could bus Zenge if Dina revealed. And that's how I ended up panic bussing Zenge. Then when I was silenced she had a whole plan on who should bus me and when. I don't remember the specifics and I have no energy to go look, but I think she and Cyndia both voted for me? And I think I voted for her but I'm not certain.

Ninja'd - oh god I forgot about that horrible series of silencing. I didn't read far enough forward into the wolf chat to get to that point where all of this happened, so maybe what I read was way before that.

 

[Crayola227]

I am working on getting caught up, but every time I turn around it's another hundred posts.

 

[alleycat03]

Still slight village. I can't move her further up than that unless sloth flips wolf.

This is how I feel as well. I read through shorty's entire ISO, and while it made me feel a bit worse about cray, not enough to wolf read her. I would knock her down to neutral at this point. It comes down to needing more content to read her. I was not as spooked as shorty with her posts so far, but I know Cray has done much more in previous games to make me feel better about her affiliation.

Also I think I voted for her in RvB (her last wolf game) and I am not feeling quite that bad about her at this point.

 

[alleycat03]

I think she needs more pressure at the very least. She hasn't posted enough to get an idea of where her reads/thoughts are.

I agree with this, but it sounds like she's working on getting caught up right now so we'll just have to sit tight and wait.

 

[Crayola227]

Ooooh yeah, you caught me, I bussed please hard D1 and then killed Zenge immediately.

Come on, Cray, you play a lot better than this.

I am scrolling back to post 590 I think where I left off, but I saw this post.

As I said, I wasn't looking at VCA in any of my analysis. First I try to get through posts, then I try to reconcile what I see with what the VCA is

 

[Dinashadow]

I really do not think Cray would bus unless she absolutely had to and it was "reasonable bussing." She told us in Bioshock that we should not bus until it seems inevitable for a packmate to go down. I would not label her as a deep wolf or unnecessary busser

I think this makes cray/sloth extremely unlikely then

 

[alleycat03]

I’m having a hard time figuring out why please had to go down unless there was another wolf up for vote.

THIS! This is why I was freaking out about please's vote being "too easy" because it seemed like there was VERY little resistance to her being the leading vote for so long. That made me anxious to go there because like everytime there's a leading wagon without resistance (especially without mechanics or something to out them) its a village misyeet. I feel like there has to be some reason why she went down on D1. Reminds me of the basics game where you were sacrificed because every wolf was on the board D1.

 

[alleycat03]

Yeah, that sounds like fun

Sounds like how I would end up with gray hair at 21 omfg

 

[alleycat03]

Okay but who are you assuming is the sketchy villager and who the packmate?
For sloth, Like I said the general thought process of asking someone for specifics on their reads felt villagey, but the VCA don't lie.
Cubs I have no village points for
I like my vote between these two, but on Cubs unless you tell me sloth over cubs.

I was liking more of Mel's content, but now he is openly saying he will sheep AM or shorty when he literally accused me of the same thing and voted for me over it. Do not like

 

[Dinashadow]

THIS! This is why I was freaking out about please's vote being "too easy" because it seemed like there was VERY little resistance to her being the leading vote for so long. That made me anxious to go there because like everytime there's a leading wagon without resistance (especially without mechanics or something to out them) its a village misyeet. I feel like there has to be some reason why she went down on D1. Reminds me of the basics game where you were sacrificed because every wolf was on the board D1.

I agree with this analysis, but also can't make it make sense when bread and sloth were the other two wagons and both voted for please

I guess there's also a question of how much was the pack working together and around to coordinate votes and try to save please?

 

[The_Breadmann]

Guess who got called back to work due to the power coming back on. Also guess who forgot to grab their computer on the way out and left all of their WW tabs at home...

 

[Animal Midwife]

I agree with this analysis, but also can't make it make sense when bread and sloth were the other two wagons and both voted for please

I guess there's also a question of how much was the pack working together and around to coordinate votes and try to save please?

Bread was definitely around so I think that makes him less likely among other things.

 

[alleycat03]

I agree with this analysis, but also can't make it make sense when bread and sloth were the other two wagons and both voted for please

I guess there's also a question of how much was the pack working together and around to coordinate votes and try to save please?

If Sloth is in the pack, I think there was likely not as much coordination. I don't know who the third person (or fourth?) could be, but if they were inactive or not able to coordinate everything, I could see how Please in her second wolf outing and Sloth as a noob wolf would have a hard time coordinating how to save Please without outing the rest of the pack. I think that is similar to what happened with zenge and I in Bioshock because neither of us had a clue what was going on and cyndia and cray could only do so much to help us.

 

[Animal Midwife]

If Sloth is in the pack, I think there was likely not as much coordination. I don't know who the third person (or fourth?) could be, but if they were inactive or not able to coordinate everything, I could see how Please in her second wolf outing and Sloth as a noob wolf would have a hard time coordinating how to save Please without outing the rest of the pack. I think that is similar to what happened with zenge and I in Bioshock because neither of us had a clue what was going on and cyndia and cray could only do so much to help us.

Four is way too many, so it definitely stops at three.

 

[Dinashadow]

Bread was definitely around so I think that makes him less likely among other things.

yeah and I think sloth was around too because she voted for please so late?

Did I see you made a vote tracker? I thought I did but now I can't locate it

 

[Dinashadow]

If Sloth is in the pack, I think there was likely not as much coordination. I don't know who the third person (or fourth?) could be, but if they were inactive or not able to coordinate everything, I could see how Please in her second wolf outing and Sloth as a noob wolf would have a hard time coordinating how to save Please without outing the rest of the pack. I think that is similar to what happened with zenge and I in Bioshock because neither of us had a clue what was going on and cyndia and cray could only do so much to help us.

yeah this makes sense. Experience level definitely plays into it too. Coordinating votes is challenging, and if it's late in the cycle moving your votes around too much looks suspicious

 

[alleycat03]

yeah this makes sense. Experience level definitely plays into it too. Coordinating votes is challenging, and if it's late in the cycle moving your votes around too much looks suspicious

Yeah that is exactly how I got voted out in WWizards. I tried to save April and it looked hella sketchy and everyone voted for me instead.

 

[Animal Midwife]

yeah and I think sloth was around too because she voted for please so late?

Did I see you made a vote tracker? I thought I did but now I can't locate it

Yes. I think it might be on the prior page. It's definitely near the video since I posted the video shortly after.

 

[Dinashadow]

I was liking more of Mel's content, but now he is openly saying he will sheep AM or shorty when he literally accused me of the same thing and voted for me over it. Do not like

I think Mel does this kind of stuff as either aff. Frustrating as heck, but not necessarily wolfy for him

 

[alleycat03]

(These are all older posts that I saved from before I studied and just realized I never posted)

This is why I didn't expect him to die last night. I almost fell out of my chair when I saw it. His reads early game are hit or miss, part of the reason why I wait until later in the game to give him a solid read.

See I was thinking that he usually has very good reads even pretty early on and that is why wolf packs usually think he's a threat and needs to be eliminated early.

I'm a little stuck on this part too, but I can't shake some of the feels I'm having about

Did you ever finish this sentence?

I’m on mobile because I’m studying right now, but I’ll go iso and pull them once I’m back on my laptop. Just quoting this so I remember to come back. Overall I just remember nodding along a lot with her posts

Shorty basically did the work for me with her ISO. I read through all of the posts and re-evaluated Cray as a neutral who I need to see more from. See my post above.

Would a wolf!cubs jump on a wolf!Sloth vote as early as he did today, from what you've seen previously?

I am also wondering this too. I think he might if he had no other choice, but I don't recall Cubs being an unnecessary busser.

The point about her saying she had read the past game where please wolfed feels the most off to me. Just the quickness of it and the timing of her please vote

I think it is possible, but it all depends on how much she was reading and how fast she could read. I can go look at someone's posts quickly (as long as the search function is working) and skim enough to get a good feeling of their posts. But that is skimming vs ISOing and analyzing everything.

That will only happen if I get slapped into another space-time dimension tonight.

Btw so far it looks like my main issue with Sloth in Basics was that she posted a reads list with an enormous village pile early on in the game and I was extremely suspicious of that. So not the same kinds of things that I took issue with in this game so far. I have 5 pages left of "shorty posts that mention Sloth" to go through, though.

I need her to actually confirm it, but she could be one of the people who starts everyone off as village and then moves them into a wolfy category as the game goes on? I know some people do that. I start everyone off as neutral and move them up or down but I know that a fellow noob got sus for that way earlier this year.

Yes, please flipping wolf has changed my bread read. I started with bread because of lack of substance, and only stayed there because his vote justification made no sense to me. I need to recheck the timing of it, but from what I remember it was early enough and since he did it as an AM vs pleasey thing (and I don't think AM is wolfing), it makes zero sense as a wolf to have voted how he did. So he's one of my stronger village feels now.

That being said, these posts I quoted above kind of feel icky and like cubs is giving me a pass without me having chimed in yet? Idk I just don't love the feel of these posts, but I might also be overly sketched by it because I just did a skim catch up and have crays quoted post on my mind about cubs not getting pleezit sketch from shorty's post. I felt shorty's post was pretty compelling, I just didn't want to follow a pleasey vote at the time because I wanted to check that game myself first to make sure they were selective quotes. But the tonality differences seemed pretty obvious, so I find it surprising that cubs didn't seem to find it sketchy at all.

I'm going to do a quick reread of the game from the beginning and then I'll get my reads up if I don't fall asleep mid read...

35 minutes definitely feels too quick to even iso and analyze someone's posts in another game. I know I personally tried to start looking at that game but got distracted refreshing and reading new posts on this game thread. So I am pushing slothy wolfy off that, but I need to reread and see the exact timing/where votes were as this was happening. So... I guess it's time to start a reread from the beginning. I'll get my current reads list up when I'm done if I haven't passed out midway through.

These posts sound much more like the game-solving/wolf-hunting I would expect from village Cyndia.

The "middle of the game" comment and then irritation when multiple people called him out for it is the kind of thing that starts to fall under TWTBW, honestly.

I agree, but a lot of his comments have not been pinging me as much as cubs usually pings me. Usually I'm ready to vote him out like D1 or D2, and this game I am not getting the same vibes. I don't know whether that is bad or good though.

cubs will dismiss sketchy things as jokes as both affiliations, so this got my attention, but it's not AI.

Can you provide another example of this from a previous game?

The tie still means please would die though. So it'd be a yikes attention-grabbing exercise particularly since in this world w!sloth never mentioned any suspicion of Bread + I've seen wolves bungle the switch off so many times (especially if they've never done it before as either affiliation).

I agree with this, and it is exactly what happened in WWizards that I mentioned above.

 

[alleycat03]

Sorry, didn't mean to have a giant post like that. I have to go to the store now and I have more studying to get done, but I should be back later.

 

[Dinashadow]

See I was thinking that he usually has very good reads even pretty early on and that is why wolf packs usually think he's a threat and needs to be eliminated early.

Yeah, but I guess I expect that as a common courtesy the wolf pack doesn't kill someone N1 that has been dying a lot lately. I know that isn't always standard, but I feel like it usually is

Did you ever finish this sentence?

Oh it was just supposed to say

"I'm a little stuck on this part too, but I can't shake some of the feels I'm having about it"

'It' being please and cubs reads of each other on D1

I think it is possible, but it all depends on how much she was reading and how fast she could read. I can go look at someone's posts quickly (as long as the search function is working) and skim enough to get a good feeling of their posts. But that is skimming vs ISOing and analyzing everything.

How do you feel about sloth overall?

 

[Crayola227]

This felt off, I wouldn’t say please is very often a village read. 1, she doesn’t play that often, and 2, she gets a lot of sketch points in every village game because of her hedgy posts. I’m planning to ISO cubs and sloth when I get a chance, but Cray quoting this put it back in my head and I wanted to comment on it.

Then there’s a few things in this post that are tingly feeling.

Feels like taking responsibility for the formation of the counter wagons, which is … I guess not wolfy in itself because why would a wolf want to draw attention to them building counterwagons against a now flipped wolf? But it’s weird.

Lol at thinking that his comment had anything to do with getting Zenge to vote when or where he did. Zenge’s historic voting behavior on D1 is infuriating frustrating, but I sincerely doubt that it had anything to do with cubs’ comment. Same with Cray, who was only in and out. I’m also not sure why someone making sketchy comments, like sloth did, is an opportunistic place to vote.

This reads like throwing sus around to see where it will stick.

This is all why I'm having issues with Cubs as well.

Obviously I don't look great doing what I've done, and people obvs can't necessarily read my popping in and out as AI, but I think I would have played harder or differently if I was trying to save Please.

Cubs seems much more protective.

 

[Barkley13]

I'm hoping we hear more from @Barkley13 with her thoughts, too.

Ugh I did not expect to be so busy today and I’m still not home. And I’m on call. But I’ll try to through out some quick thoughts

 

[Barkley13]

Gotchu.

Mel (1) - alley
Spooky ghost ()
Sloth (3) - genny, cubs, Bread
cubs (2) - Dina, Mel
Cray (1) - shorty
genny (1) - AM

I understand where the sloth vote is coming from and am considering going there again. I’m leaning village on Cubs at this point due to what I’ve said before. I’m just not seeing how he could be wolf this game. I don’t hate the mel vote because I have him as neutral and earlier today he made some interesting posts on sloth that looked like backtracking. I have cray as neutral leaning wolfy because I liked shorty’s ISO and saw the points there. Still neutral on genny

 

[Crayola227]

-opportunistic late vote onto sloth
-pushing early cubs sketch, recent village games had her wanting me around

I would argue my vote on Sloth is not opportunistic at all. I really think she's a wolf, and when she flips wolf it will be obvious it wasn't opportunistic.

I do like you around frand, and I don't want to be paranoid of you but the Please defense is sketch. I'm going Sloth first, and how you respond/react, like if you join and she flips wolf as I think she will, you'll be clear.

 

[Crayola227]

-i figured it was the content, not sure what length would have to do with it.
- barks backed my alley eval
- the sloth move is not an out of this world tinfoil but a very real possibility
- the zenge, cray votes felt opportunistic, never said it made them wolves

By definition opportunistic voting is wolfy. Villagers voting is just villagers voting.

 

[Crayola227]

Are you implying Cray bussed?

Wait, how can I be bussing if I Sloth hasn't flipped wolf yet? I wasn't on Please.

Unless you mean that my expressed sus on Please was...

 

[Barkley13]

AM and shorty are village. Bread is neutral because someone made a good point against him being wolfy but I also can’t remember any content that stands out so don’t want to move village yet. Dina is neutral leaning village because seems not sketchy on the surface but I struggle to convince myself lol. Want to look at cyndias posts more.

 

[Barkley13]

I think that’s everyone

Will have better thoughts if I ever go home