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PippyPony said:
Sorry genny, but I am decently good at reading wolf-you lol
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Yeah, but Allieh does have a point.....

allieh8607 said:
Then why the cold feet at the end?
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Seemed weird to me, too. You felt like Genny was a wolf, but you swapped off because she started getting bandwagoned? Why? If you felt she was a wolf, who gives af what other people do, even if it is a bandwagon. I felt like your vote move was weird, too.

WildZoo said:
Haha. I quit. No really. @kaydubs knows why.
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Wait, what? Was this real? I'm confused.

PippyPony said:
Because like 5 people jumped on that vote in as many minutes, with half of them saying "I haven't fully caught up yet"?
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So?


Crayola227 said:
Listen, I'm not trying to sell us that [LIS is a] wolf. I am trying to review what's going on and why.
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Oh BULL****. You quoted like almost every damn post I've made. You devoted maybe 90% of your comments to me.

You don't get to turn around then claim "oh hey, after all that, I'm not trying to sell "us" that LIS is a wolf. Bull-fricking-****. The biggest tree in the f'ing WORLD doesn't cast as much shade as you did.

Look, Crayola - if you think I'm a wolf just frickin' put your money where your mouth is and vote it. But don't play this 500 million comments about why LIS is sketchy followed by "uh, but I'm not trying to sell him as a wolf" crap. That is 125% crap.

Further: I led the lynch on a wolf D1. Even though I didn't personally suss out Genny, it's worth noting that I pretty much led THAT lynch, too.

AND, I was frickin' silenced and the post-restricted, and nobody has claimed it.

If you think allllllll of that happened and that I'm a wolf; that's beyond paranoia and out into just plain stupid territory.

But you do you.

Crayola227 said:
Why does the concept of jailing make the timeline of getting drugs later into the cycle more likely?
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That was a not-so-subtle comment aimed at communicating with Pippy once we were no longer able to PM.

PippyPony said:
Ok because we are now approaching end game..

I am the village jailer -- I jailed you last night. Or at least, I tried to jail you. Not entirely sure it went through. Was kinda a weird night.

I jailed genny N2 so that is why she was ticked off. So, wolves somehow knew I was the jailer.

Which is why I was so confused that I remained alive/am still alive.

And no, I'm not converted, but nice try.
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I can't speak to Pippy's alignment, but I can verify that Pippy is a jailer. Given the overall theme of the game and what I saw, Pippy has been firm village in my mind since then (not 'seer'-level proof, but close 'nuff for me to move on). That's one reason I've also kept my voting somewhat in line with Pippy.

I can't rule out conversion, of course.

Mad Jack said:
The only thing I can tell you for sure is that there is a very naughty girl among you, a murderous thug that stole my drugs. No one takes my drugs and gets away with it, so I am very nonplussed with the wolves. The shareholders will not be happy about this hiccup in distribution at all
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Do y'all suppose MJ really meant "girl," or was that a generalization since it's pre-vet?

I hate analyzing NPCs - my preference is for them to not be in the game, or to be put on ignore, but.... still, makes me wonder.

PippyPony said:
Look folks.

If it is not Allie, then I am guessing it is Weim because she immediately jumped to blocking as the cause, and I feel like that might have been a slip up.

Because either:
A) I successfully blocked Allie & no kill because of that

B) wolves decided to not attack, tried to convert me instead; that trumped jailing in the order of operations, and allie therefore was not jailed successfully. In which case you all should think about who would try to convert me.

LIS knows my role, dubz knows my role

Gotta go back to class because school is going to kick my ass this week.

So you can all even go ahead and lynch me if you want, but please come back to this when you see how I flip, mmk?
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Just to reiterate, I know Pippy's role as jailer. I do not know Pippy's alignment. And I don't know Pippy hasn't been converted. But I'm playing the game under the guess that Pippy is village.

In add'n to Allie (who just keeps going more wolfy to me) and Weim, Crayola is high on my list. That string of posts about me was just ......... bizarre.
 
PippyPony said:
I also maintain that it is still sketchy to me that you:

- Think I'm village after what you have seen from me (have you ever seen me play as village?)

- you keep using exactly my reasoning to lynch people. Like, the exact same justifications.

Not too focused on you right now because other priorities, but... It's weird.
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Idk you’re just good at not throwing up red flags in my book. I already addressed the bit about using others’ reasoning. And I’m totally fine with being weird. It’s inevitable someone will think I’m wolfy when I’m not.

Okay, have to go to class for realz now.
 
PippyPony said:
I can understand why you would want someone to fess up if there is a village blocker or jailer who could have stopped a wolf, but if there's a wolf blocker they're not going to say anything anyways, and it wouldn't have stopped a kill in the first place.

And if it was a village jailer, it also could have been the protection aspect that stopped the kill, soooo why would you want that on the thread
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Pippy says herself right here that if it was a jailer, it could have been the protection aspect that stopped the kill. Yet she's still hell bent on it being a block last night. But can't post any results to say one way or the other. Cool.

genny said:
Given the info that I've seen in results so far, I'd expect a protected person to know they were successfully protected.
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Genny says if it was protection, the person would have been notified. (taking this with a grain of salt because...wolf.)

PippyPony said:
Oh really? Do tell.
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Pippy seems surprised that if it was protection, the person would have been notified. But today, it's weird that I wasn't notified. Which is it, pips?
 
This is all going to be WIFOM, but if you would all go back and look at the timeline of last night's lynch, I voted for genny with 20 minutes left in the cycle and created a TIE. I am not a ballsy wolf. For you to all think that I would vote for a fellow wolf with 20 minutes left in the lynch and then KEEP MY VOTE THERE when two more people jump on the bandwagon in literally the next 2 minutes after me, like..I feel like I'm playing in some alternate universe.
 
allieh8607 said:
Pippy says herself right here that if it was a jailer, it could have been the protection aspect that stopped the kill. Yet she's still hell bent on it being a block last night. But can't post any results to say one way or the other. Cool.


Genny says if it was protection, the person would have been notified. (taking this with a grain of salt because...wolf.)


Pippy seems surprised that if it was protection, the person would have been notified. But today, it's weird that I wasn't notified. Which is it, pips?
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No. I was saying "oh really do tell" because genny KNEW I jailed her and was trying to out me on the thread by baiting me with comments like that one.

Read that exchange again from the perspective of a village power role who was getting sketched out by my top wolf suspect trying to get me to put my foot in my mouth. Or something.

Tbh I'm really not 100% sure what angle they were going for with that, and they should have killed a jailer the day after they found out about it.

Noob tip: kill power roles when you find them because it will **** up your **** later on.
 
PippyPony said:
No. I was saying "oh really do tell" because genny KNEW I jailed her and was trying to out me on the thread by baiting me with comments like that one.

Read that exchange again from the perspective of a village power role who was getting sketched out by my top wolf suspect trying to get me to put my foot in my mouth. Or something.

Tbh I'm really not 100% sure what angle they were going for with that, and they should have killed a jailer the day after they found out about it.

Noob tip: kill power roles when you find them because it will **** up your **** later on.
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Noob tip: When power roles are still hanging around when it's clear the wolves know who they are, you should automatically wonder why they're still around. It's almost like...they may have been converted.
 
allieh8607 said:
This is all going to be WIFOM, but if you would all go back and look at the timeline of last night's lynch, I voted for genny with 20 minutes left in the cycle and created a TIE. I am not a ballsy wolf. For you to all think that I would vote for a fellow wolf with 20 minutes left in the lynch and then KEEP MY VOTE THERE when two more people jump on the bandwagon in literally the next 2 minutes after me, like..I feel like I'm playing in some alternate universe.
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If it's not you, then who do you think it is?

Spoiler alert: it is not me.
 
PippyPony said:
But like...really. I would honestly be ok with being lynched at this point if it would help to verify what I'm saying. Lol
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Unfortunately, as much as I want you lynched, I think I need to go first in order for the village to get the most info. Because if you go first, they're still just going to wonder about me and I'll be lynched next, and I'm not sitting through this all over again.

I've said everything I can possibly say, and I've reached the point of just not caring anymore. This is the part of the game that I hate- when I go down early in the lynch cycle as a villager and most people have made up their mind already. Barring someone who hasn't checked in yet coming onto the thread with some other kind of damning info, if not much has changed when I check back in in a few hours I'll probably just tell mods to close it and move things along.
 
allieh8607 said:
Unfortunately, as much as I want you lynched, I think I need to go first in order for the village to get the most info. Because if you go first, they're still just going to wonder about me and I'll be lynched next, and I'm not sitting through this all over again.

I've said everything I can possibly say, and I've reached the point of just not caring anymore. This is the part of the game that I hate- when I go down early in the lynch cycle as a villager and most people have made up their mind already. Barring someone who hasn't checked in yet coming onto the thread with some other kind of damning info, if not much has changed when I check back in in a few hours I'll probably just tell mods to close it and move things along.
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I feel like the helpful thing for village is to give some sense of who you would be suspicious of -- other than just me. Because they should already know to vote for me next if I am wrong about you.

But if we're both village, then ...where does that leave people
 
allieh8607 said:
Because if you go first, they're still just going to wonder about me
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This is true but mostly because since pippy's jailing didn't go through and even she thinks a conversion attempt was made on her, I am starting to wonder whether this is just some big crazy elaborate bussing scheme and you're both wolves
 
PippyPony said:
If it's not you, then who do you think it is?

Spoiler alert: it is not me.
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WZ has been giving me some feels. That's who I was most likely going to vote for before this whole exchange between you and I. I thought it was weird she was asking WeimMama about what happened to her the previous night cycle after the lynch was over and done with. Then the whole "I quit" thing...could be faking frustration. And then her not really wanting to get into analyzing the exchange between you and genny last night. It was all just a little bit weird to me.
 
WeimMama said:
This is true but mostly because since pippy's jailing didn't go through and even she thinks a conversion attempt was made on her, I am starting to wonder whether this is just some big crazy elaborate bussing scheme and you're both wolves
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Lol I would gloat so obnoxiously if I could ever pull something like this off. Probably for the best that I am not that smart haha
 
And of course WeimMama for so quickly jumping on my lynch after you posted your info and being all "I was right about something!" But I know you will say "I already said this".

I don't necessarily think you're lying about jailing me. You probably did. I just...wasn't notified of it and if you think that makes me wolfy then :shrug: But I understand combined with the no kill night it does look weird. I guess I'd probably vote for me too if it weren't for night results all of the sudden not being able to be posted on the thread.
 
allieh8607 said:
WZ has been giving me some feels. That's who I was most likely going to vote for before this whole exchange between you and I. I thought it was weird she was asking WeimMama about what happened to her the previous night cycle after the lynch was over and done with. Then the whole "I quit" thing...could be faking frustration. And then her not really wanting to get into analyzing the exchange between you and genny last night. It was all just a little bit weird to me.
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Ok, thanks.

I have reasons for thinking it is likely not dubz...but there is something that is bugging me a tiny bit about what I know about her, as well as her vote pattern.

She's not cleared 100% in my mind, but in order for my tinfoil hat theory on her to be true, she would probably have to be an alpha with a decently good cover, or potentially chaos. So I'm back to thinking it's probably not that likely in a small game.

But on the flipside, she would probably try to convert me, so I suppose there is that concern. Lol.
 
Last thing I'm going to say, is that we aren't even sure genny was notified about being supposedly jailed. She never said she was, one way or the other. That's just what pippy is assuming and you're all just taking her word for it. But I get it, pippy is the stronger player out of the 2 of us so if you want to take her word over mine then so be it. I'm just a vanillager and this isn't some huge loss for the village. Smell y'all later.
 
WildZoo said:
That should be obvious.


Except you were told by multiple people that ny's play wasn't unexpected?


I'm not going to sit here and reread the whole thread and give in depth analysis of every post. It's a waste of time (for me). I end up talking myself in circles and the return on investment is basically nothing. If my real time participation isn't enough for you, I really don't know what to tell you.
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Dude, I don't mean analysis of the whole thread. Just on players dude, and yes, doing so on real time posts is fine. Not sure why it's a problem, dude, that I'm saying I would like more from you. That's not just a taunt to a wolf, dude. If you're villager dude we need your thoughts. You're one of the stronger villager dudes we got.

Also, ny's play wasn't unexpected with the PM - yes, I was told this, and I know it to be true, dude. HOWEVER no, both Pip and LIS pointed out there were some things different in her play, dude. And I am 90% sure at least one of them isn't a wolf, dude.

At this point, I've said that the issue isn't just whether or not it's her meta, dude. It didn't feel genuine to me and nothing anyone is going to say will change that feeling, dude. Dude might show up and behave in a way that is villager and I will be able to look past that. We'll see dude.
 
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wait i'm not to the page 24 yet but pippy if you're claiming to have jailed allie, then another explanation is that a wolf tried to attack allie and it was the protection that stopped the night kill rather than the blocking, right?
 
PippyPony said:
Look folks.

If it is not Allie, then I am guessing it is Weim because she immediately jumped to blocking as the cause, and I feel like that might have been a slip up.

Because either:
A) I successfully blocked Allie & no kill because of that

B) wolves decided to not attack, tried to convert me instead; that trumped jailing in the order of operations, and allie therefore was not jailed successfully. In which case you all should think about who would try to convert me.

LIS knows my role, dubz knows my role

Gotta go back to class because school is going to kick my ass this week.

So you can all even go ahead and lynch me if you want, but please come back to this when you see how I flip, mmk?
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Um, dude, if B happened, why would we just think about who tried to convert you? Dude, wouldn't we think that you were converted, dude? Original hunting is great and all, dude, but I hope you are not implying that a conversion attempt on you happened and didn't work for some reason.

Dude, LIGHTBULB! Dude, maybe Allie was jailed, but the wolves also converted that night, so that's why there was a no-kill night, not because Allie is wolf. If Dubz and LIS know that Pip is every other night jailer, would dudes gamble to try to convert the same night she jails? Risking that she doesn't jail the dude who is going to try to convert? Or were the wolves unaware every other night jailer, and their decision to try to convert a dude had nothing to do with that?

Dudes, not trying to pick sides here, just want to be sure we think things through as much as we can.
 
nyanko said:
cray i don't know what your deal is but get off my dick man, you have no idea what you're talking about
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sorry dude, mostly people are still on my dick about that showdown

besides you being my placeholder vote in case I'm not around to make better choices, sorry I'm voting you right now dude
 
WeimMama said:
Just what I said before, my take on the write up this morning. Doesn't make sense to me why they would repeat something that happened in the prior day and was already addressed in a write up in an already short morning write up after a no kill night where everything is bound to be scrutinized.
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Yeah dude, not sure why you thinking it was jailing that led to no-kill night, is so sketchy. I already suspected Pip as a PR, maybe even a jailer/blocker dude given the convo with genny, I just didn't say anything about Pip because I didn't want to spell that out to any clueless wolves.

Seemed like there was enough to come up with the idea when you did without being a wolf, dude. Maybe you are, I dunno, dude.
 
nyanko said:
wait i'm not to the page 24 yet but pippy if you're claiming to have jailed allie, then another explanation is that a wolf tried to attack allie and it was the protection that stopped the night kill rather than the blocking, right?
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Yeah but I think with allie claiming the jailing didn't happen at all, that is less likely
 
nyanko said:
wait i'm not to the page 24 yet but pippy if you're claiming to have jailed allie, then another explanation is that a wolf tried to attack allie and it was the protection that stopped the night kill rather than the blocking, right?
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Like this, dude. Showing up and this could be good villaging, dude
 
nyanko said:
....

(you're not wrong, but i was trying to see how allie responded to that...)
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My bad. i think she already talked about it though. Somewhere on this page or the last one. I've been reading things all out of order because of notifications.
 
Crayola227 said:
Yeah dude, not sure why you thinking it was jailing that led to no-kill night, is so sketchy. I already suspected Pip as a PR, maybe even a jailer/blocker dude given the convo with genny, I just didn't say anything about Pip because I didn't want to spell that out to any clueless wolves.

Seemed like there was enough to come up with the idea when you did without being a wolf, dude. Maybe you are, I dunno, dude.
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I literally cannot tell if you are actually replying to me, defending me, arguing with me, or just quoted me as a talking point.
 
nyanko said:
wait i'm not to the page 24 yet but pippy if you're claiming to have jailed allie, then another explanation is that a wolf tried to attack allie and it was the protection that stopped the night kill rather than the blocking, right?
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WildZoo said:
Yeah but I think with allie claiming the jailing didn't happen at all, that is less likely
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^this.
 
Crayola227 said:
Um, dude, if B happened, why would we just think about who tried to convert you? Dude, wouldn't we think that you were converted, dude? Original hunting is great and all, dude, but I hope you are not implying that a conversion attempt on you happened and didn't work for some reason.

Dude, LIGHTBULB! Dude, maybe Allie was jailed, but the wolves also converted that night, so that's why there was a no-kill night, not because Allie is wolf. If Dubz and LIS know that Pip is every other night jailer, would dudes gamble to try to convert the same night she jails? Risking that she doesn't jail the dude who is going to try to convert? Or were the wolves unaware every other night jailer, and their decision to try to convert a dude had nothing to do with that?

Dudes, not trying to pick sides here, just want to be sure we think things through as much as we can.
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The bolded is exactly what I am implying might have happened.

This is a super weird post that contains some wolf-perspective logic that is making me want to throw out everything about the track I'm on right now and swap my vote to you.
 
PippyPony said:
The bolded is exactly what I am implying might have happened.

This is a super weird post that contains some wolf-perspective logic that is making me want to throw out everything about the track I'm on right now and swap my vote to you.
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We can try for another tie!
 
Crayola227 said:
Yeah dude, not sure why you thinking it was jailing that led to no-kill night, is so sketchy. I already suspected Pip as a PR, maybe even a jailer/blocker dude given the convo with genny, I just didn't say anything about Pip because I didn't want to spell that out to any clueless wolves.

Seemed like there was enough to come up with the idea when you did without being a wolf, dude. Maybe you are, I dunno, dude.
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Did you really, now.

Because this morning, you were still asking questions about LIS's jailing comment on the thread.

Edit to add: also, Crayola -- I'm telling you that based on how genny started grumping at me starting the day after I jailed her, wolves suspected already that I am a jailer. So while I didn't want to totally confirm it when she was fishing yesterday...they already had suspicions. So you coming out and saying "oh I had suspicions of this" -- WHILE you were also doing some minor fishing yourself...that does not sit well with me.

At all.
 
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PippyPony said:
This is a super weird post that contains some wolf-perspective logic that is making me want to throw out everything about the track I'm on right now and swap my vote to you.
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RIGHT. Making me feel justified for the fact that if it wasn't for your allie info my vote probably would have been for cray today.
 
allieh8607 said:
Really really dude, and I’m tempted to lynch you for this.
I think I pegged you correctly as the convert and this is you trying to get me to go down early before we start analyzing yesterday’s lynch too much more.
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I don't think there's much chance of pip getting off the hook if you go down village

Crayola227 said:
WZ - fluff posting, mostly mechanics, and then dude turning to voting me. Dude, I'm an easy lynch. Dudes, always safe to say you find me sketch, get me mis-lynched, and play it off as an accident. I posted earlier where Pippy found her sketch and I agreed, and before WZ found me sketch, I indicated she was in my top 3 dudes with genny & coop. For gut feel and Pippy's points, dude. I was one of the first to say genny was a wolfy dude based on gut feel alone. I'm not sold on WZ as a wolf, but she hasn't done much to impress me yet as villager, dude. I do wonder if she's starting to lean more wolf on me since I've started kicking up dust around her, dude. That could be v vs v, but I dunno, dude. But if I was drawing attention to a wolf, dude could safely push my lynch to off me, not waste a night kill, and not have it look retaliatory, because my lynch will always look justified anyway.
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You need to stop touting the idea that you are an easy lynch. You are not an easy lynch.

LetItSnow said:
Seemed weird to me, too. You felt like Genny was a wolf, but you swapped off because she started getting bandwagoned? Why? If you felt she was a wolf, who gives af what other people do, even if it is a bandwagon. I felt like your vote move was weird, too.
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To be fair I do this all the time because I get uncomfortable with quickly-forming bandwagons on votes that I start, so it didn't seem that weird to me that pip did it. Wouldn't make much sense for a wolf not to follow through there.

LetItSnow said:
Wait, what? Was this real? I'm confused.
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Nah. I'm frustrated because when I actually play games I suck at finding wolves and when I'm an NPC I'm great at it. To me it means i have to completely change my play style if I want to be a good wolf hunter, but I'd probably end up getting lynched for it. So just me being annoyed at myself 😉

Crayola227 said:
Dude, I don't mean analysis of the whole thread. Just on players dude, and yes, doing so on real time posts is fine. Not sure why it's a problem, dude, that I'm saying I would like more from you. That's not just a taunt to a wolf, dude. If you're villager dude we need your thoughts. You're one of the stronger villager dudes we got.

Also, ny's play wasn't unexpected with the PM - yes, I was told this, and I know it to be true, dude. HOWEVER no, both Pip and LIS pointed out there were some things different in her play, dude. And I am 90% sure at least one of them isn't a wolf, dude.

At this point, I've said that the issue isn't just whether or not it's her meta, dude. It didn't feel genuine to me and nothing anyone is going to say will change that feeling, dude. Dude might show up and behave in a way that is villager and I will be able to look past that. We'll see dude.
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I'm beginning to wonder if you've actually read my posts, considering I have given my thoughts on several players. Nope, I didn't put them in a nice list for you. But my thoughts are there. If I haven't talked about someone, it's probably because I'm either not concerned about them or they are in my neutral category. If I'm defending someone, it's probably because I think they're village. If I'm lynching them it's because I think they're a wolf. Go figure.
 
I asked the mods if i was allowed to talk about this, because last night they said I shouldn't mention it because it would make me sound crazy, but they just said I can mention it, just no copy & paste. Basically wanted to compare with what happened to @PippyPony

So last night I basically was asked if I wanted to join the dark side. However, it seemed to be more like me struggling with my inner demons rather than getting a conversion offer from someone in particular (mods reminded me of this when I asked if I could talk about it). Not so much a conversion attempt as a mechanic that would allow you to convert yourself in a way? At any rate I turned it down.
 
WildZoo said:
I asked the mods if i was allowed to talk about this, because last night they said I shouldn't mention it because it would make me sound crazy, but they just said I can mention it, just no copy & paste. Basically wanted to compare with what happened to @PippyPony

So last night I basically was asked if I wanted to join the dark side. However, it seemed to be more like me struggling with my inner demons rather than getting a conversion offer from someone in particular (mods reminded me of this when I asked if I could talk about it). Not so much a conversion attempt as a mechanic that would allow you to convert yourself in a way? At any rate I turned it down.
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I was basically asked if I wanted to make a change to perhaps give myself a better future.

Which, considering how I feel about wolfing, I interpreted to mean it was a conversion offer :laugh:

But I turned it down for a few reasons, not the least of which is that I occasionally like to bust out some village moves to help me build up lynch armor for future games. lol
 
PippyPony said:
I was basically asked if I wanted to make a change to perhaps give myself a better future.

Which, considering how I feel about wolfing, I interpreted to mean it was a conversion offer :laugh:

But I turned it down for a few reasons, not the least of which is that I occasionally like to bust out some village moves to help me build up lynch armor for future games. lol
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We are too similar sometimes
 
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