WWhere There's a WWhisk, There's a WWay! - Game Thread

[PippyPony]

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Here's a tin-foil theory for you tin-foil types:

1) Pippy knows my strongest play is early game;

2) Pippy knows I suck at end game;

3) Pippy takes me out N1 to prevent my early game play, not caring if I get rezzed or not because she knows I'm a crappy late-game player;

4) Pippy then takes out Trilt because she knows Trilt is a strong player all-around.

There's like pretty much nothing meaningful I can say in response to this.

Because I wouldn't take either of you guys out unless I like, knew you had a power role or something. Even then...you saw me leave Dubz & STL alive the last time I wolfed, even when I thought they had abilities. And I actually have a decent record of fooling Trilt, and probably would have tried to manipulate her like I did with STL.

But also, I know I wouldn't do it, and so therefore might do it.

And I know you know I know I wouldn't do it, and therefore might do it. 😉

This is the kind of WIFOM that is less helpful, imo.

 

[capri1722]

And then explain to me again how it would be beneficial for a wolf to draw that much attention to themselves on purpose. A wolf would know that bryndi was village. Far preferable to sit back on something like that and let someone else do the dirty work.

This is a bit WIFOMish. I sort of agree with you but also sort of disagree. Hanging back consistently is wolfy behavior, as is consistently leading lynches. A balance between the two is usually the least suspicious.

Also your comment IMO kinda harks back to the discussion a few days ago about “Well wolves wouldn’t do the thing. (proceeds to do the thing)”

ETA: But I also can’t meta for **** and a few other vets have confirmed you tend to play an aggressive game.

 

[finnickthedog]

I had a thought earlier today and I'm going to preface by saying that I don't know how plausible it is. Bryndy told Snowy that she was planning to hide her knowledge of what the item did. Snowy disappeared after asking whoever it was if they had the boiler. Now, if Snowy is a villager then she's telling the truth, had to go and didn't see Bryndy's plans to tell her they were a bad idea until it was too late. Alternate possibility is that if Snowy was a wolf... seeing that Bryndy planned to lie would be a good opportunity to sit back and let her hang herself. However, after I thought this I came back to look at posts and I noticed that when Snowy came back she said that she'd been at work so this is maybe not the most plausible theory. It's more likely she literally wasn't around regardless of her affiliation.

I'm interested in what finn, nohika, and pippy think about each other.

I literally cannot remember playing a game where either of them was a wolf. I actually can only remember playing one other game with Nohika at all.

I haven't seen anything in this game that stands out and concerns me. Pippy is playing like herself, but that doesn't clear her it just means that if she is a wolf she's managing not to set off my alarms.

I feel like Nokia has been somewhat quiet, but as I don't remember playing with her I can't say whether this is normal behavior for her.

 

[PippyPony]

I'm not saying lynching Bryn wasn't the right thing. There were too many inconsistencies in too many places. In this quoted incident if we take it at face value then things get twisted. Again, not totally sure how I feel about the whole exchange with that considering there was so much confusion.

I feel like you're kind of agreeing with me, but also simultaneously putting the responsibility for her sketchiness on me. Her decision to be cagey with explaining her decision is not on me. It is on her.

Not saying it would be beneficial, but could be bold wolf, as I've been told over and over wolves can do whatever they please so saying what is preferable for a wolf means nothing to me and makes me question why you would say this...

Because there is WIFOM that is more "fluffy" and WIFOM that is actually thinking about optimal wolf behavior.

This is the latter. I'm arguing that it would be really kinda dumb for me from a strategic decision standpoint to push villager lynches multiple days in a row because eventually people would start to ask questions. Like they are doing today.

When I wolf, I would be weighing expectations along with risk. And I am very careful about where/how/when I push people as a wolf. And in my mind, the gain of two villager lynches would not be worth that kind of destruction of villager trust at this stage, in this game.

Also, bold wolf does not mean non-beneficial.

Also seeing all the questions around bryn and confusion could have been an easy lynch target considering they knew bryn was village. VA I feel was also an easy lynch target. I won't get to isoing people until closer to lynch close though because IRL but yeah.

And on this...did you miss the part where I was the first person to start questioning her, and was the first person on that lynch?

How was bryndi an easy lynch target at that point?

Like, you're making my own argument for me about why we should maybe be looking at people who jumped on that lynch later once the confusion was turned up to 11.

Which -- by the way -- was driven by Bryndi.

 

[PippyPony]

This is a bit WIFOMish. I sort of agree with you but also sort of disagree. Hanging back consistently is wolfy behavior, as is consistently leading lynches. A balance between the two is usually the least suspicious.

Also your comment IMO kinda harks back to the discussion a few days ago about “Well wolves wouldn’t do the thing. (proceeds to do the thing)”

ETA: But I also can’t meta for **** and a few other vets have confirmed you tend to play an aggressive game.

Ok I just wrote up a big response to mixy on this, so please refer to that.

Tl;Dr: There is hypothesizing about things that are of equal likelihood (true WIFOM) and there is logically weighing the likelihood of a given scenario to decide whether something really makes sense. They are very different. Consider that Boot Camp level 2.

 

[nohika]

I actually can only remember playing one other game with Nohika at all.

I couldn't even think of that one.

The downside of playing so many games is they eventually start to blend together.

 

[finnickthedog]

I couldn't even think of that one.

The downside of playing so many games is they eventually start to blend together.

Oh, I couldn't tell you which one it was even if my life depended on it. I just know we were in the same game once.

 

[PippyPony]

This is a bit WIFOMish. I sort of agree with you but also sort of disagree. Hanging back consistently is wolfy behavior, as is consistently leading lynches. A balance between the two is usually the least suspicious.

Also, this is generally false. Leading lynches is also called looking for wolves.

Which none of you guys seem to want to do today, btw. 😛

 

[Skyerien]

Hey guys, just got home from work. Went back to reread yesterday because I wanted to hear from Ski and although I did hear from her, her behavior threw me off which is why I didn't change my vote. Today, I still think Ski's behavior was odd yesterday:

*~WaS nOt My ThEoRyYyYyYyYyY~*
That was KC. Which I made it clear that it was. My theory was this one that somewhat expanded on KC's theory after more info came out.

More importantly, has anyone else has gotten the look in your soul message Allie claimed??

lynch bryndi

Ski mentions her theory and is followed by a bunch of backlash by it. That's all fine. However, when pressured more and more over it, she gets defensive and thries to throw attention onto others like Allie and then Bry when all the lynches went towards Bry. I would like to hear from Ski regarding her behavior because it set me on edge.

Until I hear from her, lynch Ski

 

[Animal Midwife]

Oh, I couldn't tell you which one it was even if my life depended on it. I just know we were in the same game once.

The Zoo game? The Little Mermaid? The Summer Speed game?

 

[finnickthedog]

The Zoo game? The Little Mermaid? The Summer Speed game?

Was Nokia in all of those? Dang.

 

[PippyPony]

How do you know it's lynch cancel and not a conversion?

Because of the write up?

But I mean, I guess it could be a conversion.

(And I think you meant night cancel?)

 

[PippyPony]

I'm interested in what finn, nohika, and pippy think about each other.

Finn I have had a generally village lean on since early on. She's also beaten me a few times as a wolf, so there is that. But, she also pushed the bryndi lynch yesterday for basically the same reasons I did, and given that I can clearly understand where that was coming from, she is still in my mild village camp.

I had been agreeing with you about nohika, but recent posts & response to being questioned has me interested in pressuring her a bit more. It seems like she has no solid reads, which is a tad bit concerning. She also jumped on that bryndi lynch somewhat late, yes? (I feel like yes, but my brain is a little fried right now so someone check me on that, please)

 

[PippyPony]

@cdoconn can you explain your swap from Allie to Bryndi?

Did not like the "the wolf needs to die" comment in light of the late swap there.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Third time's the charm?

Lynch finn

 

[Karabiner13]

Day 7 Lynch Tally

KL (1) - pippy
snowy (1) - kski
nohika (1) - lis
kski (1) - skye
finn (1) - am

missing: @SnowshoeDog143, @capri1722, @allieh8607, @cdoconn, @nohika, @MixedAnimals77, @killerleaf, @finnickthedog, @Glammyre

5/14

Deadline 9pm PST/midnight EST (~6.5 hours)

 

[WildZoo]

Third time's the charm?

Lynch finn

Booooriiiiiing

 

[nohika]

Was Nokia in all of those? Dang.

I don't think so? I know I was in the Little Mermaid and maybe the summer speed one?

Maybe I was in the zoo one and I just don't remember...

Oh whoops. I was. Huh. That's when PMs are useful. So apparently we have played with each other a few times. 😛

 

[nohika]

I had been agreeing with you about nohika, but recent posts & response to being questioned has me interested in pressuring her a bit more. It seems like she has no solid reads, which is a tad bit concerning. She also jumped on that bryndi lynch somewhat late, yes? (I feel like yes, but my brain is a little fried right now so someone check me on that, please)

I'd find this less amusing if you hadn't spent part of another thread commenting on my gameplay. "Concerning", possibly. Unusual? No. I've got a bit more work to do then I'm going to go through the thread.

Also I was right after you on the bryndi lynch, so I don't think that counts as late.

 

[PippyPony]

I was commenting on participation/your previous statements about level of investment only. Which has nothing to do with how good of a player you are. I think you're an excellent player, and I think you typically do have good reads. Sorry, was harsher than I intended.

(Would also prefer to keep separate games separate, but understand why that was probably warranted.)

 

[nohika]

It's all good. 🙂 I'm over it, just couldn't resist. 😉

Doggos are home and sleeping, time to go re-read the thread and work on an outline at the same time, whoop.

 

[Karabiner13]

Tally still the same

Get lynching people!

 

[SkiOtter]

kski, who do you think I should lynch today? Pippy or nohika?

uh why should you be relying on someone else to tell you who to lynch today? specifically, someone who thinks youre sketchy, has thought you were sketchy for days, and is currently voting to lynch you.

Today, I still think Ski's behavior was odd yesterday:

what about my behavoir was odd?

then Bry when all the lynches went towards Bry.

all the lynches went towards bryndi because she kept lying about knowing it was a vig item. kept saying it sounded like a seering item. I wasn't the only one lynching bryndi for this and certainly wasn't the first to lynch her for this.

I would like to hear from Ski regarding her behavior because it set me on edge.

what would you like to hear from me? you never answered that yesterday either.

 

[SkiOtter]

hey @Animal Midwife, can we hear more from you today? you really havent said much these past few days.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

uh why should you be relying on someone else to tell you who to lynch today? specifically, someone who thinks youre sketchy, has thought you were sketchy for days, and is currently voting to lynch you.

because I wanted to see what your response would be? because I wanted to see what your thoughts were on those two?

 

[Animal Midwife]

hey @Animal Midwife, can we hear more from you today? you really havent said much these past few days.

I might be playing too many mafia games at once. What did you want to hear from me?

 

[Glammyre]

because I wanted to see what your response would be? because I wanted to see what your thoughts were on those two?

Perhaps you should rephrase your original question? I'm confused with Ski.

 

[finnickthedog]

I don't particularly want to add another person with one vote to the board without good reason, so I'm mostly just looking at people who have been voted for in this post. I am a little back and forth on ski but am feeling relatively comfortable with her at the moment. Killer is reading as a noob to me, although I periodically forget she's playing. Nokia... well, I think we just established that Nokia can't remember what games she has played and I can't remember what games she's in. So my reading of her is weak at best, but the fact that I so easily forget I've played with her multiple times before makes me feel like the quiet is normal for her. I have nothing to say about Snowy that I haven't already.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Pippy is being pippy (Which, as LIS said, could be wolfy or not), and I...don't know what to read about finn. I don't think I've wolf-ed with either of them before.

I wouldn't be entirely opposed to a pippy lynch, though.

so you have to wolf with someone to analyze their play? I just want to know if you find them more sketchy or more villagey. From this game. Not neccessarily from their meta.

I had a thought earlier today and I'm going to preface by saying that I don't know how plausible it is. Bryndy told Snowy that she was planning to hide her knowledge of what the item did. Snowy disappeared after asking whoever it was if they had the boiler. Now, if Snowy is a villager then she's telling the truth, had to go and didn't see Bryndy's plans to tell her they were a bad idea until it was too late. Alternate possibility is that if Snowy was a wolf... seeing that Bryndy planned to lie would be a good opportunity to sit back and let her hang herself. However, after I thought this I came back to look at posts and I noticed that when Snowy came back she said that she'd been at work so this is maybe not the most plausible theory. It's more likely she literally wasn't around regardless of her affiliation.



I literally cannot remember playing a game where either of them was a wolf. I actually can only remember playing one other game with Nohika at all.

I haven't seen anything in this game that stands out and concerns me. Pippy is playing like herself, but that doesn't clear her it just means that if she is a wolf she's managing not to set off my alarms.

I feel like Nokia has been somewhat quiet, but as I don't remember playing with her I can't say whether this is normal behavior for her.

Lol ya. You can believe what you want but I work at an emerg hospital for 12 hour shifts so I really was not around.

Same as nohika though, you don't have to meta them. Do you think they are sketchy enough to be lynched or are they leaning more village to you?

Also, this is generally false. Leading lynches is also called looking for wolves.

Which none of you guys seem to want to do today, btw. 😛

So you want to lead one on KL? Do you really think of all people she's the best to lynch tonight? She just screams noob to me.

Finn I have had a generally village lean on since early on. She's also beaten me a few times as a wolf, so there is that. But, she also pushed the bryndi lynch yesterday for basically the same reasons I did, and given that I can clearly understand where that was coming from, she is still in my mild village camp.

I had been agreeing with you about nohika, but recent posts & response to being questioned has me interested in pressuring her a bit more. It seems like she has no solid reads, which is a tad bit concerning. She also jumped on that bryndi lynch somewhat late, yes? (I feel like yes, but my brain is a little fried right now so someone check me on that, please)

So why not pressure nohika? Why just talk about it would be a good idea?

 

[nohika]

Reads...

Ski is niggling at me. The tinfoil theories, etc. I can't remember playing much with her, but I have played with kcough and something seems slightly off. It could be the combination of the hydra, but. -shrugs-

I think Skye is doing a good job of like, dodging suspicion.

I'd be curious if anyone has similar reports to allie (about the 'looked into your soul' thing), because that's a very, very soft clear imo, unless someone found out she was a wolf and is sitting on the info. Or she's lying, which is also possible.

Also Pippy has sort of been hot/cold in terms of me, which I don't think is particularly usual for her. But, not sure.

 

[nohika]

so you have to wolf with someone to analyze their play? I just want to know if you find them more sketchy or more villagey. From this game. Not neccessarily from their meta.

You don't have to, but you have a much better chance of being right about their wolf tells when you've worked with them. -shrugs- Otherwise it's basically guesswork, depending.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Perhaps you should rephrase your original question? I'm confused with Ski.

I am probably going to lynch pippy or nohika. I can't tell which one is more sketchy to me atm. I wanted to hear from ski if she thought either of them were sketch or if she had them more village. I can't remember her ever talking about her feels about them, so I was wondering if she was a wolf along with one or both of them and that is why she hasn't mentioned them/talked to them much or if it was just she was more focused on other people.

 

[SkiOtter]

The tinfoil theories, etc.

no one ever sees my tin foil theories in other games, but theyre always there in my head, just rattling around with my brain.

 

[Glammyre]

A lot of this isn't making sense to me. Doesn't meta-ing someone (if you're skilled at it; I'm not) help to determine sketchiness more reliably? And, I may have missed, but why do you think Pippy wants you to attack KL?

EDIT first part by nohika

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

You don't have to, but you have a much better chance of being right about their wolf tells when you've worked with them. -shrugs- Otherwise it's basically guesswork, depending.

Are you saying that unless you wolf with someone, you are just guessing whether all the random people are wolves? I think there's a lot more strategy to wolf hunting then that..

 

[SkiOtter]

I am probably going to lynch pippy or nohika. I can't tell which one is more sketchy to me atm. I wanted to hear from ski if she thought either of them were sketch or if she had them more village. I can't remember her ever talking about her feels about them, so I was wondering if she was a wolf along with one or both of them and that is why she hasn't mentioned them/talked to them much or if it was just she was more focused on other people.

nokia i cant read for ****. pippy seems normalish to me but shes also a good wolf, like others have said, so i doubt that i would be able to tell too much of a difference between her as a wolf or village. I know when i read along with other games, i certainly havent been able to.

 

[SkiOtter]

I'd be curious if anyone has similar reports to allie (about the 'looked into your soul' thing), because that's a very, very soft clear imo, unless someone found out she was a wolf and is sitting on the info. Or she's lying, which is also possible.

i brought this up last night too (wanting to know if anyone else had gotten that message) and no one responded to it, but it could have just been missed in the midst of the bryndi situation.

 

[nohika]

Are you saying that unless you wolf with someone, you are just guessing whether all the random people are wolves? I think there's a lot more strategy to wolf hunting then that..

Sort of. Everyone has their own strategies.

I'm the type of person that can look at things a million different ways. It's why I hate multiple-choice questions. Pretty much everything can be considered wolfy out of context, some can't. It's hard necessarily to attribute general behavior one way or another, unless you have established a pattern of behavior. Other things are obvious, such as mis-steps, or errors, that sort of thing. But that's not necessarily the sort of wolfing we're dealing with at the moment.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Okay. Gotta go back to work.

lynch nohika

If you can't read people doesn't mean they should be ignored it means they are worth looking into and trying to see if they seem sketchy this game or not and getting other people's opinions on them.

ETA: comment not directed towards nohika, just towards everyone I've been questioning who say they have a hard time reading so-and-so

 

[SkiOtter]

I might be playing too many mafia games at once. What did you want to hear from me?

more words. thoughts on other people besides finn. and also more reasons youre lynching finn other than "feelz" and "because mel said so"

 

[PippyPony]

So you want to lead one on KL? Do you really think of all people she's the best to lynch tonight? She just screams noob to me.

So why not pressure nohika? Why just talk about it would be a good idea?

- kl is currently not voting for anyone and I think it is entirely appropriate to leave my vote here until she contributes more / in such a way so people can actually evaluate her instead of just dismissing noobs in perpetuity
- pretty sure I'm still the only one voting for her so it's not exactly leading a runaway vote
- I'm borderline right now on nohika, as she noted. I think I'd prefer to pressure those people who jumped on to yesterday's wagon at the end first, tyvm

all of a sudden you're acting like if people don't have the same reads you do, that is wolfy. Which I can assure you it is not. Turn away from the tunnel lol

 

[finnickthedog]

Lol ya. You can believe what you want but I work at an emerg hospital for 12 hour shifts so I really was not around.

I literally acknowledged that you not being here was the most likely scenario regardless of your affiliation.

Same as nohika though, you don't have to meta them. Do you think they are sketchy enough to be lynched or are they leaning more village to you?

If I thought she was sketchy enough to be lynched, I'd be doing it already. The point of my post was that I don't have a read on her either way. It's not that I'm incapable of making judgments on people I haven't played with much... but it's more difficult than make judgments on people I've played with a lot.

Also, I hate the word meta. I just want to throw that out there. It has nothing to do with anything, I just don't like it.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

- kl is currently not voting for anyone and I think it is entirely appropriate to leave my vote here until she contributes more / in such a way so people can actually evaluate her instead of just dismissing noobs in perpetuity
- pretty sure I'm still the only one voting for her so it's not exactly leading a runaway vote
- I'm borderline right now on nohika, as she noted. I think I'd prefer to pressure those people who jumped on to yesterday's wagon at the end first, tyvm

all of a sudden you're acting like if people don't have the same reads you do, that is wolfy. Which I can assure you it is not. Turn away from the tunnel lol

Yes I am probably tunneling I'll try not to. But just so you know, if we started with 24 people, there are probably 4-5 wolves out there which is going to make it really easy for wolves to avoid lynches. So I'm more for us trying to work together instead of spacing the votes out a whole lot (because then a wolf or two can easily switch a vote to avoid lynching a fellow wolf yanno?)

 

[PippyPony]

Yes I am probably tunneling I'll try not to. But just so you know, if we started with 24 people, there are probably 4-5 wolves out there which is going to make it really easy for wolves to avoid lynches. So I'm more for us trying to work together instead of spacing the votes out a whole lot (because then a wolf or two can easily switch a vote to avoid lynching a fellow wolf yanno?)

Ok, then maybe get after one or all of the half dozen people who decided to not take a stance earlier today?

 

[Glammyre]

Yes I am probably tunneling I'll try not to. But just so you know, if we started with 24 people, there are probably 4-5 wolves out there which is going to make it really easy for wolves to avoid lynches. So I'm more for us trying to work together instead of spacing the votes out a whole lot (because then a wolf or two can easily switch a vote to avoid lynching a fellow wolf yanno?)

If that happened, said person would be immediately up for lynch the next day. We've got 14 people - even with 5 wolves this isn't lynch or lose. I think the discussion is far more helpful to the village tonight than last night's wild ricochet.

Your logic is making me 😵 today.

 

[SkiOtter]

Also, I hate the word meta. I just want to throw that out there. It has nothing to do with anything, I just don't like it.

forever tagging you and @DVMDream in all posts with the word meta.

 

[nohika]

I'm gonna go with lynch snowy because the logic is not particularly thrilling me.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Ok, then maybe get after one or all of the half dozen people who decided to not take a stance earlier today?

Yeah not meaning just you. I'm just done with this game so much

If that happened, said person would be immediately up for lynch the next day. We've got 14 people - even with 5 wolves this isn't lynch or lose. I think the discussion is far more helpful to the village tonight than last night's wild ricochet.

Your logic is making me 😵 today.

Not necessarily. Everyone votes late anyways this game. Waffles aren't usually that sketch unless they're last min.


Now I really am leaving to go back to work.

 

[Karabiner13]

Day 7 Lynch Tally

KL (1) - pippy
snowy (2) - kski, nohika
nohika (2) - lis, snowy
kski (1) - skye
finn (1) - am

Missing: capri, allie, cdo, mixy, KL, finny, glam

7/14

Deadline 9pm PST/midnight EST (~3 hours)

 

[allieh8607]

I think for now I'm going to lynch snowy

She is the one who I wanted to look into last night if Bryndi had flipped village, which she did. So if I can't seer her, then I'll have to settle with lynching her. I know that Bryndi seemed to have strong village feels for Snowy but something about yesterday's silence from Snowy regarding the whole thing makes me feel weird. I know you were supposedly working all day and that is your reason for ghosting but I've definitely told lies like that when I've been a wolf.