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I'm here now! I've been thinking about who is left based on process of elimination, and honestly a role reveal would probably help with that and narrowing things down, so I do agree with Ziggy in that aspect.

things I find sketchy
*that there are two protectors and they both made it to endgame
*that there are two blockers (I think?)
*that Ziggy is still alive after a strongman kill (this made me peg her for chaos but now idk)
*that WZ was killed last night instead of mutts
*that the only people who knew Lupin's role (WZ) and the only one pushing Lupin's lynch before AM's death (genny) are now both dead
*adding onto this one, I'm beginning to worry about what kind of wolf she is, like if she would do that last minute switch for shiggles, and I am also beginning to believe genny that we shouldn't have let her live this long
*aside from this "power claim" that no one can vouch for anymore what is even keeping her in your village piles
*that cubs still hasn't died... why is everyone so resistant to this? Ugh... I'm more ready to back down off of this one after WZ's village death though, but it also could be some sort of cover role (that would make sense in a game with a role name seer)
*Strangely enough, as I was iso'ing cubs, I found this quote which strangely enough made me feel a little better about him. What wolf would straight up ask this on thread when AM was planning to claim it. Especially when AM is in the group and knows for a fact that wolf vig roles exist... it does get a little wifom'y, but it helps me with him at least, even if he was talking about Navi at the time

cubsrule4e said:
Are wolf vig roles a thing? Asking for a friend.
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people in my sketchbook (haven't been hard cleared)
Lupin- wz says she has an ability that would be weird for a wolf to get, see above for explanation
ziggy- I am having a hard time describing this, but I straight up was tinfoiling ziggy 3p before the allie claim, now I don't know
cubby- this tunnel must have an end... I am stuck, but you moved down though, so there's that.. he is a bald eagle, he only makes sense if there is a cover role (but this is adding in a lot of "if"s so I feel like that makes it a little less likely
afflac- he seems like he is trying his best, but he is kind of in the same position as me, where it is late game and there are ways to hard clear people and he hasn't been (I forgot to go get the Navi quote yesterday, so I'll attach it to this)
finny- mutts said she is good but I don't know if that was a hard clear??? Plus that thing with allie last night
barky-mutts said she is good too/I think she knew about mutts long before it was revealed or even hinted at on thread

Navilly said:
Accident is from something behind the scenes. Allieh is from tone, feels, and a couple of the words she has used and how she has explained a few things.

You are where you are because it reminds me of games where I feel like you are off your game. Where you are picking up stuff less quickly. Last time I thought that, it was because you were a wolf. I also feel you tend to be less analytical as a wolf. You are doing a lot of questions without a lot of analysis and conclusions.

Cubs will typically tunnel on me when he is a wolf, as it lowers my suspicions of people that constantly go for me (which me and him have talked about, if I recall correctly, when wolfing before). He is also literally just playing the spin anything I say into a wolfy move (the fact that I made a brief comment about Barkley going under the radar was enough to say that was wolfy yesterday).

Overall, his tone and feels are reading to me like the plants game.
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mypetmoose said:
I'm here now! I've been thinking about who is left based on process of elimination, and honestly a role reveal would probably help with that and narrowing things down, so I do agree with Ziggy in that aspect.

things I find sketchy
*that there are two protectors and they both made it to endgame
*that there are two blockers (I think?)
*that Ziggy is still alive after a strongman kill (this made me peg her for chaos but now idk)
*that WZ was killed last night instead of mutts
*that the only people who knew Lupin's role (WZ) and the only one pushing Lupin's lynch before AM's death (genny) are now both dead
*adding onto this one, I'm beginning to worry about what kind of wolf she is, like if she would do that last minute switch for shiggles, and I am also beginning to believe genny that we shouldn't have let her live this long
*aside from this "power claim" that no one can vouch for anymore what is even keeping her in your village piles
*that cubs still hasn't died... why is everyone so resistant to this? Ugh... I'm more ready to back down off of this one after WZ's village death though, but it also could be some sort of cover role (that would make sense in a game with a role name seer)
*Strangely enough, as I was iso'ing cubs, I found this quote which strangely enough made me feel a little better about him. What wolf would straight up ask this on thread when AM was planning to claim it. Especially when AM is in the group and knows for a fact that wolf vig roles exist... it does get a little wifom'y, but it helps me with him at least, even if he was talking about Navi at the time



people in my sketchbook (haven't been hard cleared)
Lupin- wz says she has an ability that would be weird for a wolf to get, see above for explanation
ziggy- I am having a hard time describing this, but I straight up was tinfoiling ziggy 3p before the allie claim, now I don't know
cubby- this tunnel must have an end... I am stuck, but you moved down though, so there's that.. he is a bald eagle, he only makes sense if there is a cover role (but this is adding in a lot of "if"s so I feel like that makes it a little less likely
afflac- he seems like he is trying his best, but he is kind of in the same position as me, where it is late game and there are ways to hard clear people and he hasn't been (I forgot to go get the Navi quote yesterday, so I'll attach it to this)
finny- mutts said she is good but I don't know if that was a hard clear??? Plus that thing with allie last night
barky-mutts said she is good too/I think she knew about mutts long before it was revealed or even hinted at on thread
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This feels like a whole lot of wifom and seeing where you can get any **** to stick.

Even if AM was strongarm, what is to say she used it on me?
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
This feels like a whole lot of wifom and seeing where you can get any **** to stick.

Even if AM was strongarm, what is to say she used it on me?
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No, its making a list of what I'm seeing, and narrowing down suspects by using logic. We can't assume that it was ever AM who went after you, so that is a fair point, but is just something that has been "pecking at my insides" as WZ would say. I have you on that list because in my head you aren't hard cleared. As I did for everyone on that list, I listed my thoughts about them. Maybe it was still too disorganized and unrefined to be on thread, I don't know what to say, I'm trying my best. I'd say my favorite for lynch today is Lupin or maybe finny.

What are your thoughts for the Navi quote? That never really got elaborated upon.
 
mypetmoose said:
No, its making a list of what I'm seeing, and narrowing down suspects by using logic. We can't assume that it was ever AM who went after you, so that is a fair point, but is just something that has been "pecking at my insides" as WZ would say. I have you on that list because in my head you aren't hard cleared. As I did for everyone on that list, I listed my thoughts about them. Maybe it was still too disorganized and unrefined to be on thread, I don't know what to say, I'm trying my best. I'd say my favorite for lynch today is Lupin or maybe finny.

What are your thoughts for the Navi quote? That never really got elaborated upon.
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I have said this before (sorry nav) but navs can often be FOS. Even as a villager, he straight up lies. I've seen it as a mod. He told me he got some weird message when we were PMing but considering no one else has gotten something similar to what he claims to have gotten, I have to assume he told me what he did because he was fishing for my role. So as for something with Florida behind the scenes, I have no idea what he was talking about, but I can go look back at our PMs when I'm back at my computer.

What is pecking at your insides? You know what's pecking at my insides? That I have claimed being the n2 kill, no one can refute that, and chaos flipped, and yet people are still up my ass lol.

SARdoghandler said:
N5



I know Lupin's role too
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Ok so if Allie acted on you n5 she couldn't have reversed a protection to be responsible for the double kill, right?
 
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I think my top two wolf reads at this point are Lupin and Aff.

Lupin fooled me a good number of times in my early games... usually as convert, but a wolf nonetheless. Her vote switch on the day AM was lynched could really go either way... most wolves probably wouldn't draw attention to themselves like that but maybe that's what she wants us to think. I do think Lupin is gutsy enough to make that sort of a move so it's plausible. When I look at the tallies, she's present on a couple of lynches that I expect to have at least one wolf.

Aff was kind of skating by under my radar until the waffle-fest that results in Skim's lynch. Since then he has attracted some attention but has managed to stay away from getting lynched. A couple of posts he's made ping as either insincere or noob-ish. Like Lupin, when I look at the tallies he is present on a couple of lynches that I expect to have at least one wolf.

Since Aff already has a couple votes currently, I'm going to go the other way for right now and

lynch lupin

As a side note to my comments on the tallies. I don't do real VCA so consider my arguments there to be pretty weak sauce and can be wrong. But it's kind of my crutch when I feel stuck.
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
I have said this before (sorry nav) but navs can often be FOS. Even as a villager, he straight up lies. I've seen it as a mod. He told me he got some weird message when we were PMing but considering no one else has gotten someone similar to what he claims to have gotten, I have to assume he told me what he did because he was fishing for my role. So as for something with Florida behind the scenes, I have no idea what he was talking about, but I can go look back at our PMs when I'm back at my computer.

What is pecking at your insides? You know what's pecking at my insides? That I have claimed being the n2 kill, no one can refute that, and chaos flipped, and yet people are still up my ass lol.


Ok so if Allie acted on you n5 she couldn't have reversed a protection to be responsible for the double kill, right?
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Yes, assuming she told the truth and there wasn't something else at play. She said that after I had (foolishly) already said on thread that I couldn't talk to Dolph on N5
 
finnickthedog said:
I think my top two wolf reads at this point are Lupin and Aff.

Lupin fooled me a good number of times in my early games... usually as convert, but a wolf nonetheless. Her vote switch on the day AM was lynched could really go either way... most wolves probably wouldn't draw attention to themselves like that but maybe that's what she wants us to think. I do think Lupin is gutsy enough to make that sort of a move so it's plausible. When I look at the tallies, she's present on a couple of lynches that I expect to have at least one wolf.

Aff was kind of skating by under my radar until the waffle-fest that results in Skim's lynch. Since then he has attracted some attention but has managed to stay away from getting lynched. A couple of posts he's made ping as either insincere or noob-ish. Like Lupin, when I look at the tallies he is present on a couple of lynches that I expect to have at least one wolf.

Since Aff already has a couple votes currently, I'm going to go the other way for right now and

lynch lupin

As a side note to my comments on the tallies. I don't do real VCA so consider my arguments there to be pretty weak sauce and can be wrong. But it's kind of my crutch when I feel stuck.
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As there are likely 3+ wolves, who would your third choice be?

Also I will back this up
###lynch lupin##
 
As for NKA, perhaps there is someone who didn't want dubs to find out what kind of bird they are. The biggest suspects there would be mpm and Florida. Though lupin (if she lied about bird which idk why you would) and cubs (same reason) are also possibilities with this thought.

SARdoghandler said:
Yes, assuming she told the truth and there wasn't something else at play. She said that after I had (foolishly) already said on thread that I couldn't talk to Dolph on N5
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I'm not sure what other role would cause you to lose communication though. And it didn't seem (could be wrong) that she was lying about much, besides prob the Finn thing.
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
As for NKA, perhaps there is someone who didn't want dubs to find out what kind of bird they are. The biggest suspects there would be mpm and Florida. Though lupin (if she lied about bird which idk why you would) and cubs (same reason) are also possibilities with this thought.


I'm not sure what other role would cause you to lose communication though. And it didn't seem (could be wrong) that she was lying about much, besides prob the Finn thing.
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I would assume that if our role could be "reversed" it could also likely be blocked.

I don't think it much matters in the scheme of things though
 
Well looks like my train is building steam, but I just gotta say that I don't trust cubs right now. I realize in some of your minds that might clear him for you, because you're reading my infrequent posting and "staged" responses (lol) as wolfy, which is understandable. But Cubs has been just as infrequent. I don't like the fact that he went off the major wagons to make Skimjeh a viable option for lynch when Allie and I were up, and I especially don't like that AM left that pretty important vote off of her VCA, which is something that she knows everybody uses, but most people don't check it. I know nobody else cared the first time I posted that, but I noticed it when mpm finally explained to me how to read that (you a real one), because that Cubs vote is the reason I moved to Skim
This was in response to your question @ziggyandjazzy

As far as everybody else, Mutts is clear in my book.
Ziggy doesn't make sense to me, either as wolf or villager, or even 3p for that matter, and I think part of that may be contributed to AM lying at the end, but I don't think she's somebody to go after at this point.
SAR got cleared by dolphin death
Finn was kinda cleared by mutts? Still not sure exactly what went down there...
mpm...I actually don't have much on at all. I mean I know why I haven't been considering her, but could somebody re-explain why she's pretty villagey
Lupin I was skeptical of yesterday, and I still am skeptical of, but that's not where I'd place my vote, if nothing else just for making me laugh pretty hard last night
Barks, why you gotta lynch me Barks? But her role doesn't seem to be wolfy at all, seems too obvious and attention drawing on top of not being that useful to your average wolf
Miz has been pretty under the radar for me since being rezzed, and given how well wolves have done, I wouldn't be surprised if she's flipped, but I doubt it since she was rezzed by Genny, pretty firmly village to me

So all in all...lynch cubs


**edit** just for clarification, the reason I haven't been considering mpm is because she's been helping me with questions throughout and I have a hard time of seeing her as guilty ever, so entirely biased and nothing to do with the game, which is why I'm asking...
 
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day 8 *solemn squawk* tally:
Aflac (3) - cubs, mutts, barks
lupin (2) - finn, zazzy
cubs (1) - florida

voting: 6/10

Deadline at 9pm central
 
SARdoghandler said:
That seems to be the most likely explanation
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I don't know what Dolph's results were because she wasn't around after to share on thread and then she died

(I will fong you, wolves... Seriously does no one find my reference funny? I think I'm hilarious)
 
AccidentFromFlorida said:
Well looks like my train is building steam, but I just gotta say that I don't trust cubs right now. I realize in some of your minds that might clear him for you, because you're reading my infrequent posting and "staged" responses (lol) as wolfy, which is understandable. But Cubs has been just as infrequent. I don't like the fact that he went off the major wagons to make Skimjeh a viable option for lynch when Allie and I were up, and I especially don't like that AM left that pretty important vote off of her VCA, which is something that she knows everybody uses, but most people don't check it. I know nobody else cared the first time I posted that, but I noticed it when mpm finally explained to me how to read that (you a real one), because that Cubs vote is the reason I moved to Skim
This was in response to your question @ziggyandjazzy

As far as everybody else, Mutts is clear in my book.
Ziggy doesn't make sense to me, either as wolf or villager, or even 3p for that matter, and I think part of that may be contributed to AM lying at the end, but I don't think she's somebody to go after at this point.
SAR got cleared by dolphin death
Finn was kinda cleared by mutts? Still not sure exactly what went down there...
mpm...I actually don't have much on at all. I mean I know why I haven't been considering her, but could somebody re-explain why she's pretty villagey
Lupin I was skeptical of yesterday, and I still am skeptical of, but that's not where I'd place my vote, if nothing else just for making me laugh pretty hard last night
Barks, why you gotta lynch me Barks? But her role doesn't seem to be wolfy at all, seems too obvious and attention drawing on top of not being that useful to your average wolf
Miz has been pretty under the radar for me since being rezzed, and given how well wolves have done, I wouldn't be surprised if she's flipped, but I doubt it since she was rezzed by Genny, pretty firmly village to me

So all in all...lynch cubs


**edit** just for clarification, the reason I haven't been considering mpm is because she's been helping me with questions throughout and I have a hard time of seeing her as guilty ever, so entirely biased and nothing to do with the game, which is why I'm asking...
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you're voting off wagon because you don't want to vote lupin because she made you laugh???

what's your role and ability?
 
Okay. Here's SAR's list of people, who I think is clear, and what we have on each player.

Hard clear for OG wolves:
SAR
Miz - obviously not an OG thanks to dying once already
Mutts - launched AM which would have been silly to do so at that particular time as a wolf given how close they were to a possible sweep (my logic for hard clearing here)

Soft clears/have vouches:
Ziggy - vouched for by Nav, possible N2 target
Cubs - soft vouch by Dubz based on role (this was said in my PM, unsure if it was on thread) and other roles in this game so far

Unsures (require group input please):
Barks - I remember a vouch here from someone? Mutts?
Lupin - has claimed a role/ability to me in PM that sounds slightly village leaning

Leftovers:
Finn - has been trying to solicit a soft vouch from Mutts, iirc?
MPM - I had leaning soft village but not for anything other than feels
Acci - "behind the scenes" things with Nav that he failed to address on thread.



So my questions I need answered are:

@muttmanager are you on the same page as Finn? Are you willing to vouch there/how are you leaning on that read

Does anyone remember exactly what the vouch was for Barks? If it's ability based, I'm moving Barks down to leftovers because I could easily see the group hopping as a wolfy ability but I feel like everyone but me has gotten to talk to Barks anyway so I may have missed something there
 
I'm not 100% sure I'm on board with role reveals because of the risk of extra info allowing extra kills again. But I need to think about that some more.

It may be time to pull out ability reveals while we still have enough people alive to corroborate some actions though.
 
SARdoghandler said:
Does anyone remember exactly what the vouch was for Barks? If it's ability based, I'm moving Barks down to leftovers because I could easily see the group hopping as a wolfy ability but I feel like everyone but me has gotten to talk to Barks anyway so I may have missed something there
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First it was because I’m a hummingbird and then because mutts told me her ability before ever saying anything on thread and she didn’t die
 
Barkley13 said:
First it was because I’m a hummingbird and then because mutts told me her ability before ever saying anything on thread and she didn’t die
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Right yes, it was the knowing mutts' ability thing I think. You can probably move to soft vouch then.

Which gives me a f4 of Acci, MPM, Finn, and Lupin which I am not 100% sold on all being wolves but would probably expect at least 2 wolves in this group
 
SARdoghandler said:
I'm not 100% sure I'm on board with role reveals because of the risk of extra info allowing extra kills again. But I need to think about that some more.

It may be time to pull out ability reveals while we still have enough people alive to corroborate some actions though.
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The night with an extra NK neither of those people had revealed their role/title on thread so I don’t think that’s linked to extra kills.
 
SARdoghandler said:
Okay. Here's SAR's list of people, who I think is clear, and what we have on each player.

Hard clear for OG wolves:
SAR
Miz - obviously not an OG thanks to dying once already
Mutts - launched AM which would have been silly to do so at that particular time as a wolf given how close they were to a possible sweep (my logic for hard clearing here)

Soft clears/have vouches:
Ziggy - vouched for by Nav, possible N2 target
Cubs - soft vouch by Dubz based on role (this was said in my PM, unsure if it was on thread) and other roles in this game so far

Unsures (require group input please):
Barks - I remember a vouch here from someone? Mutts?
Lupin - has claimed a role/ability to me in PM that sounds slightly village leaning

Leftovers:
Finn - has been trying to solicit a soft vouch from Mutts, iirc?
MPM - I had leaning soft village but not for anything other than feels
Acci - "behind the scenes" things with Nav that he failed to address on thread.



So my questions I need answered are:

@muttmanager are you on the same page as Finn? Are you willing to vouch there/how are you leaning on that read

Does anyone remember exactly what the vouch was for Barks? If it's ability based, I'm moving Barks down to leftovers because I could easily see the group hopping as a wolfy ability but I feel like everyone but me has gotten to talk to Barks anyway so I may have missed something there
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So she knew mutt's ability and mutt didn't end up dying. but if wolves have a ninja or something like that, it would make me a bit more suspicious of her I think.
Barkley13 said:
I’m extra curious about this because nav and afflac couldn’t PM i don’t think
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Ok so I went back and looked at our PMs and this is all I got about the Florida/nav situation
ziggyandjazzy said:
how do you feel so village about Florida?
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Navilly said:
It’s from mod pm. It’s something I will explain after the game is over. (Think give an inch take a mile)
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mizchiefmanaged said:
The night with an extra NK neither of those people had revealed their role/title on thread so I don’t think that’s linked to extra kills.
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Okay, that makes me feel marginally better about it then

Regardless, if possible I'd love any reveals to essentially go in ascending order on my list of people above (which I think is pretty close to everyone else's). But I also want Ziggy revealing today for sure if everyone else is
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
So she knew mutt's ability and mutt didn't end up dying. but if wolves have a ninja or something like that, it would make me a bit more suspicious of her I think.

Ok so I went back and looked at our PMs and this is all I got about the Florida/nav situation
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Oh so it was Nav playing god again.

Noted and leaving Acci as vouchless then
 
SARdoghandler said:
Okay, that makes me feel marginally better about it then

Regardless, if possible I'd love any reveals to essentially go in ascending order on my list of people above (which I think is pretty close to everyone else's). But I also want Ziggy revealing today for sure if everyone else is
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She has revealed to me already and I’m buying it.
 
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