2011-2012 University of Arkansas Application Thread

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Out of state applicants are interesting. If you can make it to the interview, you really do have an awesome shot at getting in. When I did my interview, there were 80 of us at the OOS meetup (all of you OOSers will get your interviews on the same day). There are OOS 40 spots open for the taking if you can manage it.

Those are some pretty good odds!

Make sure you send in something about your ties to Arkansas. Did you ever come here as a kid? Do you have a distant relative that you can have some sort of contact with if you go here? Don't be too far fetched though. You don't want an interviewer to ask you your fondest memories of your 3rd cousin twice removed that you wrote to UAMS about, but any ties really are what helps you get into the school as an OOSer.

I actually wrote about some good tips of my experiences after my first week of orientation if anyone's interested here.
 
I'm interviewing on October 15th, and I haven't received any information about the schedule or format of the visit at all. I called to ask if this was normal, and Admissions said they won't send out info until the entire interview day has been "filled."

Does anyone else think it's strange to wait until it's full to send anyone information? Not even start/end times. The interview is in 2.5 weeks...
 
I'm interviewing on October 15th, and I haven't received any information about the schedule or format of the visit at all. I called to ask if this was normal, and Admissions said they won't send out info until the entire interview day has been "filled."

Does anyone else think it's strange to wait until it's full to send anyone information? Not even start/end times. The interview is in 2.5 weeks...

How did you get an Interview already if you are OOS? They don't go out until December?
 
As long as you know the date, do you really need to know anything else right now? I'm not really sure what their logic for not sending out info is, but it shouldn't make much difference. FYI, you'll interview in the morning and then have a tour of the school afterward. You should be done by 1 at the very latest. Unless things have changed, interviews are closed.
 
As long as you know the date, do you really need to know anything else right now? I'm not really sure what their logic for not sending out info is, but it shouldn't make much difference. FYI, you'll interview in the morning and then have a tour of the school afterward. You should be done by 1 at the very latest. Unless things have changed, interviews are closed.

I was wondering if there were any events on Friday evening, which would change my travel plans. I know that some schools host receptions then.

It doesn't really matter but I was just curious...I'm excited! And their reasoning just doesn't make sense.

Is there 1 interview? Is it 1-on-1?
 
I was wondering if there were any events on Friday evening, which would change my travel plans. I know that some schools host receptions then.

It doesn't really matter but I was just curious...I'm excited! And their reasoning just doesn't make sense.

Is there 1 interview? Is it 1-on-1?
In the past few years there has not been a Friday night reception for the October or November dates that I know of since they are in-state interview days and apparently when they tried receptions in the past for in-state applicants they had a pretty poor turnout (most likely since they offer tours and go speak to most of the larger pre-med groups in the state and a lot of IS applicants are only traveling a couple hours and don't want to stay at a hotel the night before). Unless something has drastically changed, you arrive on campus (depending on which interview time you are assigned) about an hour before the interview time and they have you sign-in, mingle a little, listen to a presentation about UAMS, interview, and then take a tour. There is one interview, normally 2 on 1 or occasionally 3 on 1.

It does seem odd they haven't started sending out interview information for the October interview, and based off application info I've heard so far it's very odd that the October date hasn't filled yet unless a lot of the IS applicants are slow submitting their AMCAS this year and aren't planning to interview until November. Hopefully they'll make all this a more streamlined process someday, I would think the way they do it now must take up a lot more time for them.
 
How did you get an Interview already if you are OOS? They don't go out until December?

My location is Tennessee now, but I lived in Arkansas my entire life except for college and the last 4 months (thus I qualified as IS).

You're right though, you won't hear about OOS invites until later.
 
Hopefully they'll make all this a more streamlined process someday, I would think the way they do it now must take up a lot more time for them.

Yeah, like the archaic paper secondary they send you in the regular mail, which you then have to mail back with a check. And you have to attach a printed photo.

It's not hard, but they really should update their system.

And on a side note, the emails they HAVE been sending are extremely colloquial and unprofessional...
 
Yeah, like the archaic paper secondary they send you in the regular mail, which you then have to mail back with a check. And you have to attach a printed photo.

It's not hard, but they really should update their system.

And on a side note, the emails they HAVE been sending are extremely colloquial and unprofessional...

If they're from Linda, that's the way she always writes. I was a little surprised about the writing style when I applied, but after having seen the process from the other side a bit I think it is her intent to make the communication between applicants and the office more relaxed. It will be obvious when you come to interview they want you to relax too. It seems to be their opinion there's no reason for the medical school application process to be a hostile and unwelcoming experience, and I think that's why they may over compensate a little on emails and such to make it seem informal and friendly.
 
Yeah, I agree with that assessment. while you may see the emails as "unprofessional," she's really just trying to set the stage for one of the less stressful interview days you'll have. Honestly, that's the feel you'll get from most events at UAMS. If it's stuffy, rigid, and traditional you want, this may not be the school for you.
 
Yeah, I agree with that assessment. while you may see the emails as "unprofessional," she's really just trying to set the stage for one of the less stressful interview days you'll have. Honestly, that's the feel you'll get from most events at UAMS. If it's stuffy, rigid, and traditional you want, this may not be the school for you.

I've worked at UAMS, so I'm familiar with the community-centered, informal attitude. I enjoy that. I just didn't think it was a good idea to be so informal in an email to mass amounts of people. It doesn't leave a great impression on UAMS, in my opinion.

I just think there's a way to be casual and welcoming without the colloquial, "we're all family" tone.

Anyway, I'm excited for the interview day! 2 weeks from tomorrow. My first.
 
Got my interview for this weekend. Super stoked. Hope it goes well.
 
I was wondering if it was possible for interviewees to get a feel for the classes at UAMS by sitting in on one and interacting with the med students. I've got my interview this Saturday. I tried asking admissions but they suggested I see Dr. Graham on the day of the interview. I'd really like to do this before Saturday, though.

If so, is there a particular class (w/ date, time, and location) you'd recommend?
 
I was wondering if it was possible for interviewees to get a feel for the classes at UAMS by sitting in on one and interacting with the med students. I've got my interview this Saturday. I tried asking admissions but they suggested I see Dr. Graham on the day of the interview. I'd really like to do this before Saturday, though.

If so, is there a particular class (w/ date, time, and location) you'd recommend?

The M1s will still be in class this week, but I don't have a copy of their schedule immediately on hand. They have started gross anatomy so the afternoons on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday aren't a good option since they won't be in lecture, but the morning (9am or after, lectures start on the hour) most days they should be in lecture in ED II (G131). One of them might be around on here this week and be able to offer you a better idea of their exact schedule since I suspect they have a test coming up shortly. You could easily slip in and sit through a lecture relatively unnoticed and I'm sure multiple people would be happy to talk to you (you'll have some time on your interview day to quiz med students with your questions too), but if you're hoping to talk to any faculty or stick around much it'd probably be a good idea to talk to Dr. Graham prior to doing so.
-Matt
 
I don't think I'd talk to faculty about the classes. I'm not sure I'd sit in on a lecture, either, since that won't really do a whole lot for you. You'll just see a bunch of random facts and stuff thrown out for an hour, but I guess it'd give you some idea of the pace you'll be expected to keep. I'd offer to buy one of your tour guides lunch of a drink or dinner or something and just pick his/her brain for awhile. I'd be happy to take you out, if I was in town, but since I'm in Kansas City, the best I can offer is either a post here or a phone call.

If you're really set on attending classes, they start on the hour, beginning at 9 every day. Afternoons are generally a bad plan, as Matt said, since they may have lab (only for M1s) or no classes. The M1s are in G131, and the M2s are in the I. Dodd Wilson building, room 226.
 
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Hey, I'm an M1 and I'll be leading tours this weekend. What time is your interview?
 
Really enjoyed today's interview. Very nice interviewers. The tour did seem a little disorganized though. We'll see what happens!
 
I really enjoyed my interview and the tour was good. I enjoyed talking with the M3s who took us around after the official tour was over.
 
Yeah, the tour definitely sucks really bad. I always mixed it up a bit and took people to the student room and simulation center if I had time. Nobody ever took me up on my offer for a hospital tour, though. They really need to just cut the gross lab part out entirely if they're not going to take you into it - walking by is plenty - and someone needs to tell the library lady to cut to the chase a little. "Here's our library. We have free electronic access to basically every major medical resource. That glassed-in area, the "fish bowl," is open 24 hours. Adjacent to it is a silent room that you can go to if you get annoyed with the noise in the fish bowl. Have a nice day." See? That wasn't so hard to condense. It's a library. How can you possibly spend 15-20 minutes talking about it?

edit: By the way, if anyone is in the Little Rock area and wants a bit better tour, you're welcome to get in touch with me any time. I'll show you the things and give you the info you actually need to make a decision about which school to go to.
 
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Yeah, the tour definitely sucks really bad. I always mixed it up a bit and took people to the student room and simulation center if I had time. Nobody ever took me up on my offer for a hospital tour, though. They really need to just cut the gross lab part out entirely if they're not going to take you into it - walking by is plenty - and someone needs to tell the library lady to cut to the chase a little. "Here's our library. We have free electronic access to basically every major medical resource. That glassed-in area, the "fish bowl," is open 24 hours. Adjacent to it is a silent room that you can go to if you get annoyed with the noise in the fish bowl. Have a nice day." See? That wasn't so hard to condense. It's a library. How can you possibly spend 15-20 minutes talking about it?

They cut the library from the tour altogether this time and also cut the student room and made the cross section lab "optional" but there was no time to get to it with how much time the sim lab and clinical skills center took. Hopefully anyone with improvement ideas for the tour shared them on the evaluations and your interview day was otherwise good. Definitely take him up on his offer to show you around more of campus and such if you all have the time/opportunity.
-Matt
 
They cut the student room? I didn't know it had even been added. Good to see the sim lab added, though.

The sim lab was really great. Even from the 10 minutes we were in there, I could see how it would be extremely useful for learning all sorts of procedures.

Could someone comment on how UAMS integrates education about public health and health care as a system into the curriculum? We weren't ever told about that.
 
I second that on the sim lab. I know its two years out, but the lumbar puncture practice should be really helpful, especially being able to see where the needle actually is. Mock codes are so much fun, can't wait to shock some Stanley. CLEAR!
 
UAMS integrates education about public health and health care as a system into the curriculum?
There's very, very little of that. I'd say you can count the lectures including a significant amount of practically applied during the first two years on your two hands. However, I think that's the case for most schools. The clinical years are where you get your real-world experience. If it's public health you want, you'll probably need to get a MPH. The lack of big-picture and preventive medicine is a serious shortcoming of med school in general, but that's how it goes, unfortunately.
 
Okay, so I thought the official tour was decent. I actually enjoyed going to the sim lab. Like I stated earlier, however, I enjoyed going around with the M3s to the other buildings and, just as important, asking them questions that I had concerning the curriculum, housing, research, etc. I think everyone should take the opportunity to speak freely with current students.
 
I'm an OOS student, but I go to school in Arkansas and I've lived 15 minutes from Arkansas my whole life (that counts as strong ties, right?). Does anyone have advice about the letter? I'm not too sure what to put in it as far as detail and whatnot. My writing style is the farthest from flowery as you can get, so I'm having trouble making it more than 2 sentences. Did you put anything in that referenced any plans of staying in state? I'm assuming that since they aren't all stuffy and formal that I can reference stories or something. lol I'm just a bit OCD about everything in the application process.
 
There's very, very little of that. I'd say you can count the lectures including a significant amount of practically applied during the first two years on your two hands. However, I think that's the case for most schools. The clinical years are where you get your real-world experience. If it's public health you want, you'll probably need to get a MPH. The lack of big-picture and preventive medicine is a serious shortcoming of med school in general, but that's how it goes, unfortunately.

Yeah, I guess I didn't really mean "public health." More specifically, I meant topics like healthcare disparity, policy, and economics. I think that physicians should be knowledgeable about such things...or at least I want to be! I know that some schools (Dartmouth, U of Chicago) actually do allot formal courses to this material, even if it's not a semester-long course.
 
I understood what you were getting at. There are a few lectures on those subjects, but they're certainly few and far between. That said, you will learn PLENTY about how all of those things are practically applied during your clinical years if you're keeping an eye out. Like you, I've always been interested in the administrative aspects of medicine (though mostly so I can work with/around them, not enforce or make them) and have asked a lot of questions on the topic when it comes up. Like most things in med school, I guess you could say that your education is up to you.
 
Well, looks like I probably won't be at many of the interview dates at all. I *might* be able to make the Nov. 12 one, but I'll be in Chicago interviewing, myself, on Dec. 3 and will probably also be interviewing on Jan. 7. Oh well.
 
Good luck to everyone interviewing tomorrow! I'm in NOLA for the weekend so my winning personality won't be there for your tours, but I hope it's a good experience for you all. As always, feel free to ask us on here if you have questions/concerns about anything.
 
Just had my interview here at UAMS and I feel like I completely bombed it with a capital "B." My interviewers were pretty young and strict about what they wanted to hear. They constantly had me in the hot seat. 🙁

Does anyone know how much the interview counts towards one's overall application and acceptance? I'm pretty sure I looked like an incoherent idiot in there, so that probably lowered my chances way down.
 
Just had my interview here at UAMS and I feel like I completely bombed it with a capital "B." My interviewers were pretty young and strict about what they wanted to hear. They constantly had me in the hot seat. 🙁

Does anyone know how much the interview counts towards one's overall application and acceptance? I'm pretty sure I looked like an incoherent idiot in there, so that probably lowered my chances way down.

I'm sorry to hear you felt like your interview went poorly. It's unusual to hear about a "strict" interview with the style UAMS uses... Were they young physicians or M4s? I'm also curious about what you mean by "hot seat". Generally the questions they ask are pretty open ended and give you a lot of opportunity to highlight things of importance to you, so I'm very interested to hear what was asked if you felt they were really putting you on the spot on some things.

The interview can be very significant of course, but I don't think it's possible to put a percentage of importance towards your overall odds of acceptance or anything. It's a big factor they consider, but it isn't the only one and they may not have disliked you as much as you think with any luck :xf:.

I imagine Alex will have some useful input on this when he gets a chance too since he's a little more familiar with how the process works as an interviewer, I believe.
-Matt
 
I'm sorry to hear you felt like your interview went poorly. It's unusual to hear about a "strict" interview with the style UAMS uses... Were they young physicians or M4s? I'm also curious about what you mean by "hot seat". Generally the questions they ask are pretty open ended and give you a lot of opportunity to highlight things of importance to you, so I'm very interested to hear what was asked if you felt they were really putting you on the spot on some things.

The interview can be very significant of course, but I don't think it's possible to put a percentage of importance towards your overall odds of acceptance or anything. It's a big factor they consider, but it isn't the only one and they may not have disliked you as much as you think with any luck :xf:.

I imagine Alex will have some useful input on this when he gets a chance too since he's a little more familiar with how the process works as an interviewer, I believe.
-Matt

Thank you for your reply. I had an M4 and a young physician as my interviewers. I may just have had bad luck with my interview (many of the other interviewees had a good time with their interviews), but they did ask quite a bit about the political side of healthcare and gave me many scenario-types of questions. Not much in terms of what you're interested in and who you are as a person. They were also a bit "pushy" when it came to my answers. The best way I can put it is that they kept digging deeper into what I said, asking the "who,what where, how, and why" and trying to reprimand/direct me on my "bad" answers. It also seemed that they were trying to give me tricky questions to see if I was providing any false information. It doesn't help that I also stutter and jumble my words up.

The interviewers were nice and polite though and and I really do hope it went better than I though. I guess was just intimidated by their very straight-forward way of speaking.

UAMS is my first-choice and so I'm hoping it'll turn out for the best!
 
You had an M4 who asked you a bunch of political questions and gave you scenarios to work through? *sigh* That's just terrible.

As far as the significance of the interview goes, I don't really have much to add to what Matt said other than that it is very important here. I can't really quantify it's importance, but it can certainly make or break you, from what I understand. That said, you probably didn't do as poorly as you think. Interviews are ridiculously stressful, and everyone understands that you might fumble a bit.

Just FYI, when an interviewer probes deeper into something you said that you know was dumb, he's giving you an opportunity to turn it around with something intelligent. Backtracking or digging deeper are poor solutions.
 
Things have been quiet on here since the last interview day.....

For those of you interviewing tomorrow (the last regular in-state interview day), I will see you bright and early for check-in for some of you, or leading a tour for others. If you have any questions feel free to grab a med student (well, not literally) and ask tomorrow, I know I'd be happy to answer questions/concerns and I'm sure the others will too. Good luck!
-Matt
 
I'd like to make you all aware that UAMS is undergoing some pretty dramatic changes in the basic sciences curriculum. Exactly why they're blowing things up so substantially is a mystery to me since I thought they actually had things pretty close to perfect when I went through. If I had to guess, I'd say it's because our Step scores have been pretty poor over the last couple years, but they're going about it all wrong. Rumor has it that the LCGME is mandating more team learning and some other things, for whatever reason, so that's going to happen. I'm fairly removed from the situation and thus don't know the nitty-gritty, but I do have fairly strong opinions on some of the changes they've made or are making. That is to say, I don't think they're helping students out at all. Since he's intimately involved in this situation, Matt knows more about what's going down, but I thought I'd toss the warning out there, anyway: a lot more required attendance and PBL-type stuff is on the horizon.

That said, the clinical curriculum, which has always been this school's strength, is still the same as it has been and continues to improve. You will still get a solid pre-clinical background, obviously, but you may not have the free time or cohesion within the curriculum that I enjoyed. I can't say they got it totally right for us, but at least what they did made sense.
 
I'd like to make you all aware that UAMS is undergoing some pretty dramatic changes in the basic sciences curriculum. Exactly why they're blowing things up so substantially is a mystery to me since I thought they actually had things pretty close to perfect when I went through. If I had to guess, I'd say it's because our Step scores have been pretty poor over the last couple years, but they're going about it all wrong. Rumor has it that the LCGME is mandating more team learning and some other things, for whatever reason, so that's going to happen. I'm fairly removed from the situation and thus don't know the nitty-gritty, but I do have fairly strong opinions on some of the changes they've made or are making. That is to say, I don't think they're helping students out at all. Since he's intimately involved in this situation, Matt knows more about what's going down, but I thought I'd toss the warning out there, anyway: a lot more required attendance and PBL-type stuff is on the horizon.

That said, the clinical curriculum, which has always been this school's strength, is still the same as it has been and continues to improve. You will still get a solid pre-clinical background, obviously, but you may not have the free time or cohesion within the curriculum that I enjoyed. I can't say they got it totally right for us, but at least what they did made sense.

Ah, this is a good thing to mention since most answers we can provide to class-related questions on here are based off the current curriculum which isn't going to help you future students out at all. So ignore our answers on those issues 😀. As for what's going on, here's what I know at this point:

UAMS's current curriculum is very lecture heavy with things like TBLs (Team-based learning sessions), PBLs (Problem based learning), and labs interspersed. You all probably already know this. The reason this is becoming an issue is the LCME is pushing for more active learning at medical schools. They have studies and such that show active learning leads to better student performance and such that they're using to support this stance, and armed with that data they've apparently made standards about how much active learning they want to see at medical schools. The University of Texas at San Antonio recently went under review and had their accreditation placed on probation for not being in line with these "recommendations" on active learning vs. lecture. This threw up a red flag for the administration here since compared to UT San Antonio, UAMS has even more hours of lecture and less of the TBL/PBL/SDL format. UAMS is up for review by the LCME in 2014, and if the curriculum is left as-is, the administration is confident they would be placed on probation. Although that doesn't mean they would lose accreditation, it wouldn't look good and it would be a step in that direction. So.... they're going through a drastic revamp of the curriculum to be implemented before their accreditation is up for renewal. For those of you that aren't sure how important this is- if you don't graduate from an LCME accredited program, that pretty much means no medical license or ACGME accredited residency program for you. So it's at least moderately important.

We all have some concerns about this of course, but they are taking input from students and I've already heard some promising things about the revised curriculum. Hours of lecture per week during the M1/M2 years will be reduced to 30-40% of on-campus time, and the actual on-campus overall time is going to come down to 16-20 hours/week to allow for more self-study time. This will almost definitely mean more SDLs in place of some lecture content. Of the on campus time, 6 hours per week are supposed to be PBL/TBL/similar from here on out as well. One thing I like about this is that it essentially forces courses to be more high-yield with their lectures and improve the design of TBL/PBL sessions. They will also provide a list of weekly objectives and specific resources to accomplish those objectives. What I'm happiest about is that since this process is forcing drastic changes in how the curriculum is run, things like required books/course formatting are being discussed openly among all the course directors at once. The recent Step score issue, particularly last year's failure rate, has also been a big talking point and is steering the discussion towards using more high-yield "review" books as required texts over regular text books and making test question material and format even more Step 1 like. This should mean that courses overall are better run and benefit from the best practices of some existing courses. I'm interested to see how it all plays out. Even though it won't directly affect or benefit me, it could be very important for future students and their performance on Step.

UTMB Galveston, which has similar admitted student profiles when compared to UAMS, made similar changes in the early 2000s and their average Step scores went from a bit below the national average to considerably above. Their Step average has increased at a faster rate than UAMS's and is currently 20 points higher than ours, so they must be doing something right.

I apologize for how long that is, but it should preemptively answer most future curriculum related questions you all might have.
-Matt
 
Non traditional officially "OOS" applicant, even though I've lived here 8 of the past 11 years. About to hit 20 years in USAF and am hoping for an invitation for 7 Jan.
 
Non traditional officially "OOS" applicant, even though I've lived here 8 of the past 11 years. About to hit 20 years in USAF and am hoping for an invitation for 7 Jan.

First round of acceptances go out in snail mail 1 week from today. I know that they only send to a small group, but I'm crossing my fingers just in case. It would be a great Christmas present...
 
Non traditional officially "OOS" applicant, even though I've lived here 8 of the past 11 years. About to hit 20 years in USAF and am hoping for an invitation for 7 Jan.
Good luck! Based off what I heard they had their recommendations for invitees ready and were meeting this week to discuss that (and the early acceptances for IS students, I believe), so it should be in the mail soon if it's not already!

Good luck to the all the IS applicants- now that you've all interviewed you get to play the waiting game. For the sake of your own sanity, just force yourself to assume that you will not be receiving a decision until February so you don't get bummed out if/when (likely when) you don't get anything during the early decisions.
-Matt
 
How many acceptances do they typically send out in December? January?
 
Good luck! Based off what I heard they had their recommendations for invitees ready and were meeting this week to discuss that (and the early acceptances for IS students, I believe), so it should be in the mail soon if it's not already!


Do OOS interview invites come in the mail? I think U of A has my school address, and I'll be away from there for Christmas break, so I didn't know if I contact the admissions office or anything. Thanks!
 
I just got my interview invite by email for January 7th!! I'm OOS from Louisiana. 🙂
 
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