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How many people do you think will stay on the wait-list after all the March acceptances?
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Seems really messed up if they end up rejecting the people they interview twice on two separate occasions, especially if the candidate is from far away. I hope the school pays for the plane ticket, but I guess that's unlikely.
Haha I hope you're right because I'm flying in for round 2!Seems really messed up if they end up rejecting the people they interview twice on two separate occasions, especially if the candidate is from far away. I hope the school pays for the plane ticket, but I guess that's unlikely.
Dean Nicholasfor those of you who uploaded LOIs since being WLed - did you get a confirmation/response signed by the general admissions office or dean nicholas? (either way probably doesnt mean much but im just curious...)
Dean Nicholas
I submitted this when I withdrew myself from the waitlist. Shout-outs to SDN:
After submitting countless applications to undergraduate, graduate, medical school, and fellowships programs, I can say without a doubt that P&S was the most stressful application I've encountered. Dean Nicholas' post-interview responses contain similar wording as traditional "likely letters" do, which is extremely confusing because they are not likely letters. I had to resort to combing through SDN threads to figure out that his responses aren't actually "likely letters." In addition, the calling of accepted applicants a day or two before notifying the rest of the pool breeds stress and anxiety. There were many people sitting around, including myself, who were hoping for a phone call that never came. I understand the desire for a personal touch; however, it would be much less stressful if phone calls arrived after everyone was notified. If you look on the current SDN thread on Columbia, applicants on the waitlist are even now scrutinizing details of Dean Nicholas' responses, trying to figure out what they mean (if anything) and if they're consistent. P&S's application process involved a lot of avoidable stress, and that's a large reason why I'm withdrawing.
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Columbia is obviously a fantastic school, and hopefully future applicants won't have to stress out as much as some of us did. 🙂
A normal student applying to their school wouldn't know about all the BS we keep track of here on SDN and they wouldn't view Columbia's admissions process as "stressful".
I'm sorry but this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard a pre-med do. It was really unnecessary to send this to Columbia to try to call them out or something. They didn't tell you to go on SDN and stress out about getting called or not, scrutinizing emails, etc. A normal student applying to their school wouldn't know about all the BS we keep track of here on SDN and they wouldn't view Columbia's admissions process as "stressful". I come here every now and them but guess what? I don't let these threads stress me out. They never promised anyone a phone call, and I've honestly very rarely heard of likely letters when it comes to med school admissions, so who cares? Until you get an official decision, nothing is guaranteed.
I honestly feel bad for the admissions office because they must get crazy letters like this all the time from ridiculous, neurotic meds.
First, I completely disagree that a "normal" applicant to Columbia wouldn't know about SDN. Every single person I know who applied to medical school is well aware of SDN's existence; they might use SDN to differing extents, but the knowledge is there. I've also heard numerous people on the interview trail mention various aspects of SDN threads during downtime on interview days. If you check older threads, when SDN used to show how many people were sitting on a thread, there would be hundreds of people waiting around the Columbia release date.
And second, I don't think it's "unnecessary" at all to try to provide constructive feedback to Columbia. The fact is, every single year, there are many applicants who are stressing over Columbia's admissions policies. That same level of scrutiny and worry over "personalized" or "not-personalized" responses from the Dean just doesn't exist on threads at peer institutions.
Third, and you're calling me "crazy" and "ridiculous?" I barely post on SDN or used it until my application cycle. You have over 700 posts. So, it's not crazy or ridiculous to talk at length about admissions concerns with fellow applicants, but it is to send a couple paragraphs of feedback to the medical school? OK, duly noted!
First, I completely disagree that a "normal" applicant to Columbia wouldn't know about SDN. Every single person I know who applied to medical school is well aware of SDN's existence; they might use SDN to differing extents, but the knowledge is there. I've also heard numerous people on the interview trail mention various aspects of SDN threads during downtime on interview days. If you check older threads, when SDN used to show how many people were sitting on a thread, there would be hundreds of people waiting around the Columbia release date.
And second, I don't think it's "unnecessary" at all to try to provide constructive feedback to Columbia. The fact is, every single year, there are many applicants who are stressing over Columbia's admissions policies. That same level of scrutiny and worry over "personalized" or "not-personalized" responses from the Dean just doesn't exist on threads at peer institutions.
Third, and you're calling me "crazy" and "ridiculous?" I barely post on SDN or used it until my application cycle. You have over 700 posts. So, it's not crazy or ridiculous to talk at length about admissions concerns with fellow applicants, but it is to send a couple paragraphs of feedback to the medical school? OK, duly noted!
If you want to give any feedback at all IMO it's much better to say "Hey, I had some friends get phone calls and others not get calls while they were all accepted, and it's just really stressful for applicants who discuss the process with each other. Thanks." Just because this is an online forum where thousands of people connect everyday doesn't make it some official place that admissions offices should take into account. They really don't give a **** about SDN. Your letter just made you sound kind of as though the admissions office owes you and all other applicants something, which they really don't. I understand the feeling of want to "stick it to em" as you're withdrawing from the waitlist, but no one at the admissions office is going to lose sleep over it, sorry.
I'm wondering if I can get some thoughts from current Columbia students on this:
One of the main things keeping me from choosing Columbia is how expensive it would be to live in NYC. The other cities where I have options are significantly less expensive (Chicago, St. Louis, Baltimore). As students, how do the sky-high prices of everything from food to rent affect your quality of life? Also, does the school do things to make it easier on you?
New york is new york. You are right that New York would be significantly more expensive than the other cities you mention and is something that you are smart in looking into this before you make a huge decision. Schools in Manhattan have a higher cost of living incorporated into the loans that they would give a student, but remember a loan is a loan. So, yes, you will go into significantly more debt at a school in Manhattan, its the price you pay for living in NYC.Anyone?
I think I remember someone saying earlier (maybe an earlier thread) that they reserve a few waitlist spots for people who didn't get in anywhere else. Might be worth looking into. Good luck!Long time lurker first time poster.
Got waitlisted after my interview not accepted anywhere.
If I do have to reapply in the next application cycle what are my odds for Columbia on the second time around? better? worse?
Thanks
Long time lurker first time poster.
Got waitlisted after my interview not accepted anywhere.
If I do have to reapply in the next application cycle what are my odds for Columbia on the second time around? better? worse?
Thanks
I submitted this when I withdrew myself from the waitlist. Shout-outs to SDN:
After submitting countless applications to undergraduate, graduate, medical school, and fellowships programs, I can say without a doubt that P&S was the most stressful application I've encountered. Dean Nicholas' post-interview responses contain similar wording as traditional "likely letters" do, which is extremely confusing because they are not likely letters. I had to resort to combing through SDN threads to figure out that his responses aren't actually "likely letters." In addition, the calling of accepted applicants a day or two before notifying the rest of the pool breeds stress and anxiety. There were many people sitting around, including myself, who were hoping for a phone call that never came. I understand the desire for a personal touch; however, it would be much less stressful if phone calls arrived after everyone was notified. If you look on the current SDN thread on Columbia, applicants on the waitlist are even now scrutinizing details of Dean Nicholas' responses, trying to figure out what they mean (if anything) and if they're consistent. P&S's application process involved a lot of avoidable stress, and that's a large reason why I'm withdrawing.
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Columbia is obviously a fantastic school, and hopefully future applicants won't have to stress out as much as some of us did. 🙂
You simply made it clear to the Admissions Office that they made the right choice in waitlisting you.
I have no idea why everyone is so sensitive toward your comments. Take their responses with a grain of salt. S/he just stated an opinion (which describes many applicants' experience) and sent it as feedback. It was not disrespectful. Could it be said in a different/ better way? Yeah I guess so. It's not like s/he sent a letter saying 'hey Columbia f*** you guys, you hurt my feelings. I don't wanna play your Waitlist game. Bye,' You guys seriously lack empathy. Maybe it is because you all got in or something but it is unfortunate that you guys forget how stressful and sometimes painful this process can be - and Columbia is no exception. It made the process more difficult given their misleading letters. SDN is a very well known resource. I have no idea why it would be labeled as unprofessional to mention. Get off your high horses.
All this being said, Columbia is an excellent medical school. If you all are lucky enough to go there, I would expect you guys have compassion for your fellow human being, whether his words were said in anger or not. Then again this is the Internet. Troll away.
Dean Nicholasfor those of you who uploaded LOIs since being WLed - did you get a confirmation/response signed by the general admissions office or dean nicholas? (either way probably doesnt mean much but im just curious...)
The unit loan at Columbia is $27,750, which I think is generous. I also heard from some current students that they were able to get full merit scholarships by asking Columbia to match offers they received elsewhere. Columbia hasn't released official FA packages yet, but I was extremely impressed with my "tentative" one. That said, my parents have limited resources and I don't know how offers look for middle income families. Columbia may turn out to be a cheaper option than my state school for me - pretty crazy!So does anyone know when Columbia sends out financial aid info?
Also, is Columbia known to be generous with their scholarships/grants?
I submitted this when I withdrew myself from the waitlist. Shout-outs to SDN:
After submitting countless applications to undergraduate, graduate, medical school, and fellowships programs, I can say without a doubt that P&S was the most stressful application I've encountered. Dean Nicholas' post-interview responses contain similar wording as traditional "likely letters" do, which is extremely confusing because they are not likely letters. I had to resort to combing through SDN threads to figure out that his responses aren't actually "likely letters." In addition, the calling of accepted applicants a day or two before notifying the rest of the pool breeds stress and anxiety. There were many people sitting around, including myself, who were hoping for a phone call that never came. I understand the desire for a personal touch; however, it would be much less stressful if phone calls arrived after everyone was notified. If you look on the current SDN thread on Columbia, applicants on the waitlist are even now scrutinizing details of Dean Nicholas' responses, trying to figure out what they mean (if anything) and if they're consistent. P&S's application process involved a lot of avoidable stress, and that's a large reason why I'm withdrawing.
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Columbia is obviously a fantastic school, and hopefully future applicants won't have to stress out as much as some of us did. 🙂
Really sorry to post here as opposed to WAMC, but thought I'd have a more specific pool here.
3.88, 31 MCAT, many years research (multiple labs, national conferences) and EMS, volunteering, consistent and long ECs, 5 strong LORs, outside very long term hobbies, trilingual immigrant (but from a very young age, to be fair/honest), just to name a few.
Is it worth it to apply here? Mainly speaking due to my low MCAT.
Again, sorry for posting here, just would rather not post it to the entire WAMC thread.
I got an interview with a 30 MCAT. Go for it!Really sorry to post here as opposed to WAMC, but thought I'd have a more specific pool here.
3.88, 31 MCAT, many years research (multiple labs, national conferences) and EMS, volunteering, consistent and long ECs, 5 strong LORs, outside very long term hobbies, trilingual immigrant (but from a very young age, to be fair/honest), just to name a few.
Is it worth it to apply here? Mainly speaking due to my low MCAT.
Again, sorry for posting here, just would rather not post it to the entire WAMC thread.
I and my friends by and large live life normally. Stuff's expensive here yes but I disagree with yankee##'s assessment that you'll definitely have a higher loan. That's a baseless statement. If money's an issue (isn't it always) I'd recommend waiting for all your aid packages to come out and do a careful comparison. For me Columbia was the cheapest option.Anyone?
Thanks 🙂I am just a mom of a member of the P&S class of 2013 who is posting to congratulate mmmcdowe on his election to AOA!! Nice job M and best of wishes with your future endeavors.
Anyone know if Dean Nicholas actually reads letters that come in from those on the wait list? Uploaded one a few days ago to the portal titled "Letter to Dr. Nicholas" and I just got an email back from admissions saying that my "letter to the dean was successfully added to my application". Lame to think something I spent a few hours writing may have gone into the void.