2013-2014 Sackler School of Medicine New York State Program

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This is my first time hearing about this school. Is it difficult to gain an acceptance?
 
hamsawx said:
It's a foreign medical school, correct? Similar to Ross, St. Georges, ...?
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Yes. Even though New York State is involved, this is still considered an international medical degree, as far as I know.
 
Has anyone who applied in either August or September heard anything back?
 
I applied late Sept/early Oct, have interview scheduled in a few weeks
 
I had my interview yesterday, very laid back. Does anyone know how long it takes to hear back from them?
 
doodooyumyum said:
I could be wrong but my understanding is that for NYS residencies, Sackler students are not considered foreign medical graduates, but for residencies outside New York they would be.
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Thanks. Does anyone know if this true?
 
doodooyumyum said:
I could be wrong but my understanding is that for NYS residencies, Sackler students are not considered foreign medical graduates, but for residencies outside New York they would be.
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Thanks. Does anyone know if this true?
 
jayvandelay said:
Thanks. Does anyone know if this true?
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I don't think this is true. I think there are at least a few NY schools (NYU being one of them) that won't accept Sackler students for residency.
 
Finally caved and made an account to get in on this conversation. I interviewed 2 weeks ago.

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ScootL said:
Not til the end of february
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On the admissions site (http://sacklermedicine.us/application/), it states at the bottom that "The Admissions Committee accepts students in late March and continues the selection process throughout the spring and summer until the final candidates have been selected". I wish they did rolling admissions, but it seems like we'll all be waiting until at least early Spring to hear back.

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SLM914 said:
I don't think this is true. I think there are at least a few NY schools (NYU being one of them) that won't accept Sackler students for residency.
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I get my hopes up by looking at their NY accreditation letter (http://sacklermedicine.us/information/new-york-state-accreditation-letter/). While some schools like NYU may choose not to take Sackler students, they are still treated as US graduates at least when applying to residencies in NY. Even still, their match lists show people getting good residencies all around the country.
 
I am interested in hearing some opinions on this hypothetical question...if you were accepted to a *brand* new U.S. med school (i.e. pioneer class matriculates this year) and Sackler - which would you choose and why?
 
million dollar question. How many people get interviews? does everyone who applies get one or do they take only some? I know their class size is around 60. Interview/acceptance ratio would be nice to know.
 
Bman570 said:
million dollar question. How many people get interviews? does everyone who applies get one or do they take only some? I know their class size is around 60. Interview/acceptance ratio would be nice to know.
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I remember my interviewer saying something like 400-500 are interviewed...I'm sure many more than that apply. They accept much more than ~60, since many will eventually withdraw. He says if you have interviewed, chances of acceptance are around 40%
 
nyc1990 said:
I remember my interviewer saying something like 400-500 are interviewed...I'm sure many more than that apply. They accept much more than ~60, since many will eventually withdraw. He says if you have interviewed, chances of acceptance are around 40%
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Great info,thanks!
 
HelloKidney said:
I am interested in hearing some opinions on this hypothetical question...if you were accepted to a *brand* new U.S. med school (i.e. pioneer class matriculates this year) and Sackler - which would you choose and why?
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Definetly US School! no question!
Not only is the program of any US school going to be better then Sackler, but Sackler graduates carry the IMG stigma for the rest of their lives.
Also of note although the match list may look good many of the students who get lucrative matches do so because of family connections. Many of the best students in my class did not match while others whose dads were faculty ended up with spots (not to say they were not good students too, but there is no way they would get those spots coming from Sackler without connections)
I myself just went through fellowship match and there is no question being an IMG is still affecting me and will probably affect me for the rest of my career.
 
rell7 said:
Definetly US School! no question!
Not only is the program of any US school going to be better then Sackler, but Sackler graduates carry the IMG stigma for the rest of their lives.
Also of note although the match list may look good many of the students who get lucrative matches do so because of family connections. Many of the best students in my class did not match while others whose dads were faculty ended up with spots (not to say they were not good students too, but there is no way they would get those spots coming from Sackler without connections)
I myself just went through fellowship match and there is no question being an IMG is still affecting me and will probably affect me for the rest of my career.
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Hi-

I am a first year at Sackler and would like to comment on this recent post. While I do agree that it is smarter to go to an MD US school than Sackler, it is unfair to the current and past students of Sackler to say "people got matches because of family connections". Sackler's curriculum models the American program. That is because we are an American school in Israel. Some residency programs consider us American. Other's consider us International. I personally saw a residency list where it said "Sackler- New York, NY" What I do know is that Sackler graduates do very well in residency and beyond because the school prepares them very well. Our board scores are usually above average and that is because we study very hard, maybe even harder than students in the US because we have something to prove. A recent graduate came to speak to us who did is ER residency at Metropolitan Hospital in NY and is now a fellow at Harvard (!!! OMG) Maybe things have changed since you were at Sackler, but please do not take away from its current students. And if anyone is really afraid of the stigma of "IMG" for the rest of your life, then I recommend keep trying in the US. Best of luck! But, if you think you can handle some people thinking that and really just want to be a doctor, welcome to Sackler!

Feel free to ask any questions!
 
rell7 said:
Definetly US School! no question!
Not only is the program of any US school going to be better then Sackler, but Sackler graduates carry the IMG stigma for the rest of their lives.
Also of note although the match list may look good many of the students who get lucrative matches do so because of family connections. Many of the best students in my class did not match while others whose dads were faculty ended up with spots (not to say they were not good students too, but there is no way they would get those spots coming from Sackler without connections)
I myself just went through fellowship match and there is no question being an IMG is still affecting me and will probably affect me for the rest of my career.
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This above post is why getting information from online forums is usually a bad idea. If you are interested in Sackler and have questions, I urge you to contact the school and ask to be put in touch with a current student so you know you are getting accurate information. Feel free to PM me if you have questions and we can get in touch. I am currently a 4th year at Sackler.

I would like to comment on a few things the above poster said.
1) "the program of any US school going to be better then Sackler"- I completely disagree with this statement. I spent a lot of time with US medical students during my rotations in the states and I consistently felt that I received an equal, and often better, medical education than those students. Many, if not all, of my classmates would agree with me. Sackler's didactic program requires a lot of self motivation, you will not have your hand held here, and for certain people, that may make Sackler not the appropriate school for them. But if you are able to motivate yourself and work hard, you will come out way above par. My point is proven by the tremendously above average USMLE scores that my class achieved. The didactic program at Sackler has changed tremendously in the past 6 years which may be the reason that the above poster felt the program was deficient. It is definitely not deficient now.

2) "Sackler graduates carry the IMG stigma for the rest of their lives"- I cannot personally attest to whether I will have an "IMG stigma" when I apply for fellowships and beyond but I have spent a lot of time with Sackler alumni many of who are prominent and well respected physicians and there is absolutely no indication that them being an IMG had any impact on their career. If you look at the CVs of department heads you will see that many of them are actually IMGs. There are people out there who are biased against IMGs, however I strongly feel that one's medical school plays little if any role in future fellowships or jobs. There are just way too many important things besides that.

3) "the students who get lucrative matches do so because of family connections"- of course there are graduates who matched because of family connections, there are also people that matched into competitive specialties with no family connections. You have to realize that in a class of around 60, there are only going to be a few people interested in competitive fields and it is pretty common for a medical student to have a parent that is in the same field. In a large medical school in the US you may have 4 people applying for derm, and perhaps 2 match. We may have one every few years, and if that person does not match and had no family connection, does that mean that you cannot match into derm from Sackler? I don't know but my opinion is that anyone can match into anything from Sackler.

The US school vs Sackler question must be a personalized decision based on your personality, interests, and future goals. There is no way that you can decide based on online forum posts. Think about what you want the next 4 years of your life to be like, what you want to get out of medical school, and what you think you may want to do after, and speak with current Sackler students. Take this with a grain of salt because after all, this is an online forum, but if I could go back and choose US school vs Sackler, I would choose Sackler every time.
 
Just thought I'd put this out there: after staffing for 2 Birthright trips this winter, I decided to extend my stay in Israel to visit Sackler. I have a meeting set up for this Sunday morning. I am pretty excited to see the actual campus. If anyone wants to hear specific details about the school/location, let me know and I'll be happy to share.
 
MithranDR said:
Just thought I'd put this out there: after staffing for 2 Birthright trips this winter, I decided to extend my stay in Israel to visit Sackler. I have a meeting set up for this Sunday morning. I am pretty excited to see the actual campus. If anyone wants to hear specific details about the school/location, let me know and I'll be happy to share.
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Yeah, if you have a chance, please post up some details after your visit.
Thanks!
 
rell7 said:
Definetly US School! no question!
Not only is the program of any US school going to be better then Sackler, but Sackler graduates carry the IMG stigma for the rest of their lives.
Also of note although the match list may look good many of the students who get lucrative matches do so because of family connections. Many of the best students in my class did not match while others whose dads were faculty ended up with spots (not to say they were not good students too, but there is no way they would get those spots coming from Sackler without connections)
I myself just went through fellowship match and there is no question being an IMG is still affecting me and will probably affect me for the rest of my career.
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If you're the type of person that is concerned with status and worried about the stigma of being an IMG, then going the IMG route is probably not for you. You'll be bitter the entire time, not to mention the fact that your attitude will annoy and bring down your classmates. If, however, you appreciate the opportunity in front of you, come into it with a good attitude, and come prepared to work hard and play your cards right, then Sackler is a great option. You will get a wonderful, well balanced education, and there will be plenty of opportunities awaiting you when you graduate. Think hard about your priorities, and get in touch with current students to learn as much as you can before making your decision.
 
If you get in to med school in the states and you know you're going to want to match to one of the more competitive specialties, or you have your heart set on matching to a specific school/ location, you're better off going to med school in the states. It can be done via Sackler but it will be an uphill battle and nothing is guaranteed. However, if you don't get into med school in the states, my personal opinion is that choosing Sackler and getting started on your path is a far better option than spending the next few years reapplying and trying to get in back home.
 
potentiallymd said:
Yeah, if you have a chance, please post up some details after your visit.
Thanks!
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So my visit was short and sweet, but I'm glad I stopped by. The best thing to see was a handful of the current students. Not only were they nice, but they all seemed very happy, even in the midst of a break between lectures. The building itself is currently undergoing renovations, and the overall campus of TAU is beautiful. Feel free to message me if you want more specifics.
 
I am very glad that the current Sacklers are having fun and and studying hard, but ...
Being a medical student is very different then being a resident and very very different then finding a fellowship or a job. It is more and more competitive every year and until you go through the experience you don't have any idea what it is like to fill out hundreds of applications and call dozens of programs just to have them tell you "we don't take IMGs". Sure the education at Sackler may be terrific and you may be smarter then all the US students on your elective rotations but in the end you are still an IMG, and the environment is so competitive now that you need every edge you can get. It is not enough to be intelligent, caring, compassionate and dedicated. There are happy stories and I have lots of friends who are very happy with their residencies, but I would say I have an equal number of friends who matched very low on their list, or not in their desired specialty or not at all (who all had great scores) and would give you the same real world advise.
Peaches, as for the "Harvard" fellow, I guess he didn't mention to you what his fellowship was or why he was doing it. He is Canadian and the Canadian government will not let him practice there as an IMG without extra fellowship training so he was forced to stay in the states as are my other Canadian classmates. There are many other things he would rather be doing this year...
Last year one of the smartest hardest working girls in my class applied for a reproductive fellowship and every program she applied to (including her own residency program in NYC) said they don't look at IMG applicants. They just have too many other applicants. She is one of the most motivated and dedicated people I ever met but that doesn't cut it anymore.
Going into medical school you might have the idea you want to do peds, family or IM and so getting a residency/fellowship/job will be no problem. But what if you change your mind? What if you fall in love with optho or surgery or cardiology? Do you really want to limit yourself and your potential or do you want to give yourself the best opportunities at every step in your career?
Potential students, I would be happy to give you some contacts. This is a very important decision. I don't mean to stress you out more then you already are but you need to look at the bigger picture and know what you are getting into.
Current students, once you go through this yourself feel free to re-comment.
 
What do you guys recommend for letter of intent/ letter of interest/ updates?
 
I called into the office a few days ago to ask about updates. The nice woman who answered in the NY office just said that it's fine to submit updates to the email listed on the website ([email protected]). I'm intertwining some personal updates about this year with a statement of interest.
 
SLM914 said:
Are you sure it will be that late? I heard from someone else I spoke to that interviewed there that it would be January.
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I interviewed for Sackler back in September and my interviewer told me that acceptances will go out starting end of march
 
I think the school itself is continually interviewing, but I wouldn't expect to hear any admissions news for at least a couple more weeks
 
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