2014-2015 University of Arizona Application Thread

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When they say "round of acceptances" does that include everyone from every interview group except the last interview group?

I doubt they actually go through all of the applications of those who have been interviewed at every time. If you ask me: They probably give each person's file a score based off of a number of factors voted on by their adcoms and then take the people with the highest overall scores from not only the most recent group of interviewees but previous groups of interviewees and rereview their files and accept them.

All of the people from previous rounds have already been scored, so they don't need to rereview them. People from each group can theoretically be accepted every round, but it's mostly people from the later groups.
 
I doubt they actually go through all of the applications of those who have been interviewed at every time. If you ask me: They probably give each person's file a score based off of a number of factors voted on by their adcoms and then take the people with the highest overall scores from not only the most recent group of interviewees but previous groups of interviewees and rereview their files and accept them.

All of the people from previous rounds have already been scored, so they don't need to rereview them. People from each group can theoretically be accepted every round, but it's mostly people from the later groups.

That's exactly what they do. Someone posted a pdf file explaining the process earlier in their thread
 
Finally chiming in here after ghosting for some time. I am a reapplicant and hear everyones frustrations. The first time I applied I was fortunate to have a contact on the inside who let me know post-interview and more than a month in advance of getting the final boilerplate "thank you but we cannot accept you at this time" email that I would be rejected. Therefore, like Kemosabe has said, we've all already been scored, and there is certainly a list of applicants who are on a said rejection list that will not be told until the final rejection email goes out. The top scores from each interview round are scooped off the top and given acceptances and then the wait between cycles is so long because they are waiting for candidates to get back to them to accept their offer or not (it becomes a strategic game for admissions to accept the right amount of people). I have no idea why they don't send out rejections when they know they keep applicants hanging on that will have no chance of getting in/have already been rejected behind the scenes - the wait is so cruel on top of a grueling process. Time is always of the essence (in addition to psychological relief!) and I wish/hope admissions understands what that time means to us - get post-bacc program applications out ASAP, apply for fellowships/internships, MCAT course, summer school courses, etc. We don't have the extra money to sign up for these things "just in case" we don't get in, on top of what we have shelled out for the application process, plane tickets, hotels, etc. for the interview.

After I was told offline from my contact that I would eventually be rejected, I did still continue to receive two more "another wave of acceptances went out, you are still being considered" emails from the automated system (Ha! I was NOT being considered, already had the inside word). I hope this doesn't deflate anyone, but it is a reality. Best of luck to everyone, and do not give up if this is your true passion - you will get there, it will be that much sweeter, we will appreciate it more, and be better doctors because of it!
 
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Being close to insiders, myself, and having worked closely with staff at UACOM for many years professionally, there's about a million things I'd love to say about this school right now, but won't. Suffice it to say that I hope no one applying is naive enough to even imagine that this process is fair. Its about who you know, if you check a box, or what your last name is. The seats not filled by those folks are randomly assigned to others at the whim of students and faculty that comprise the "ADCOM." Not surprisingly, they select for others like themselves or people they like.

That last sentence is critical. Some of us must accept that we wouldn't fit in with the culture here, which is NOT reflective of the greater southern AZ population or its values. During the visit day this year and last, the student ambassadors all struggled to identify anyone in their class who was actually FROM AZ. Last semester the students staged a "Die-in" to show their disdain for the police after the nonsense in Ferguson, for example. Things like that pierce the veil and show us the true mission of this particular school, and it has vastly more to do with whom they can place into the profession than what kind of physicians they will be. That said, I'm half glad they made my decision for me...now I wish they'd just make it final.
 
Interviewed Feb 28th, just got an email today saying my file is under review. Did anyone else get this?
 
I had emailed the admissions office with a few questions and had some info to share. The couldn't really share too much, but I did find out that there is one more round of acceptances to go out (most likely from the 2/28 group I'm guessing) and that last year they had a waitlist of 49 and 19 got off.
 
Are you sure about the "check a box"? I checked what SDN would consider to be the most important box in medical admissions and I'm on my 6 or 7th "hold" email. But here's to hoping you're right and i get an acceptance later lol
I'm not sure about any of it. I see the students in the hallways and draw my own conclusions. For all I know, they hang apps on a wall and throw darts.
 
Being close to insiders, myself, and having worked closely with staff at UACOM for many years professionally, there's about a million things I'd love to say about this school right now, but won't. Suffice it to say that I hope no one applying is naive enough to even imagine that this process is fair. Its about who you know, if you check a box, or what your last name is. The seats not filled by those folks are randomly assigned to others at the whim of students and faculty that comprise the "ADCOM." Not surprisingly, they select for others like themselves or people they like.
You sound a little bitter there.
 
You sound a little bitter there.

He has every reason to be bitter. This process is ridiculously stressful and costly for all of us, especially when it's drawn out like at U of Az, and the lack of transparency from many admission departments and their idiosyncrasies that compound the stress us applicants face. Say what you like about whether or not it's productive in the long-run to be bitter or if it's a healthy mindset, but it's still a perfectly reasonable response to have.

He also is 100% right about the supposed "fairness" of this process, that's the harsh reality of this process.
 
He has every reason to be bitter. This process is ridiculously stressful and costly for all of us, especially when it's drawn out like at U of Az, and the lack of transparency from many admission departments and their idiosyncrasies that compound the stress us applicants face. Say what you like about whether or not it's productive or healthy mindset in the long-run to be bitter, but it's still a perfectly reasonable response to have.

He also is 100% right about the supposed "fairness" of this process. It's the harsh reality.
Everyone gets rejected. It's the cold-hard truth.. I just received a couple more rejection emails today, even. That doesn't mean you should go around putting down schools or their accepted applicants. Hold yourself to a higher standard and be respectful
 
Everyone gets rejected. It's the cold-hard truth.. I just received a couple more rejection emails today, even. That doesn't mean you should go around putting down schools or their accepted applicants. Hold yourself to a higher standard and be respectful
So, the first thing to note is he hasn't put down any school or their accepted applicants (the list of which appears to contain yourself, eh?). In fact, he quite specifically refrains from doing so.

Now, in this season of rejections, it's best to just let people vent the way they need to vent, and don't poke the proverbial bear unless they are interfering with your life somehow. With your acceptance in mind, I definitely don't see your "I just received a couple more rejection emails" as making you and I compatriots. You have your acceptance, so don't tell people how to cope with not getting what you yourself got.

It's true, and AdComs don't deny it: the admissions process is shrouded in mystery. His (joking) guess that they throw darts isn't any more-or-less accurate than any other guess.
 
Everyone here is entitled to their beliefs (both those who are waiting and those who have been accepted.) From the bottom of my heart, I wish you all the best in your endeavors and I hope that good news comes to you all.

In regards to the process, I appreciated the transparency as well, but there were times when I thought my chances with UA Tucson were over based on how things were worded coupled with my neuroticism. I'm grateful they didn't give up on me back in October when I was placed on hold. I'm grateful I got to experience a school as wonderful as UA of Tucson.

Once more, I wish you ALL the best. I'm sure great things will come.

 
Finally chiming in here after ghosting for some time. I am a reapplicant and hear everyones frustrations. The first time I applied I was fortunate to have a contact on the inside who let me know post-interview and more than a month in advance of getting the final boilerplate "thank you but we cannot accept you at this time" email that I would be rejected. Therefore, like Kemosabe has said, we've all already been scored, and there is certainly a list of applicants who are on a said rejection list that will not be told until the final rejection email goes out. The top scores from each interview round are scooped off the top and given acceptances and then the wait between cycles is so long because they are waiting for candidates to get back to them to accept their offer or not (it becomes a strategic game for admissions to accept the right amount of people). I have no idea why they don't send out rejections when they know they keep applicants hanging on that will have no chance of getting in/have already been rejected behind the scenes - the wait is so cruel on top of a grueling process. Time is always of the essence (in addition to psychological relief!) and I wish/hope admissions understands what that time means to us - get post-bacc program applications out ASAP, apply for fellowships/internships, MCAT course, summer school courses, etc. We don't have the extra money to sign up for these things "just in case" we don't get in, on top of what we have shelled out for the application process, plane tickets, hotels, etc. for the interview.

After I was told offline from my contact that I would eventually be rejected, I did still continue to receive two more "another wave of acceptances went out, you are still being considered" emails from the automated system (Ha! I was NOT being considered, already had the inside word). I hope this doesn't deflate anyone, but it is a reality. Best of luck to everyone, and do not give up if this is your true passion - you will get there, it will be that much sweeter, we will appreciate it more, and be better doctors because of it!
Thanks for the info! So are you pretty much saying that if we have received a few of those "hold/deferral" emails, then we pretty much can assume that we are probably not going to get accepted this year?
 
I'm not sure about any of it. I see the students in the hallways and draw my own conclusions. For all I know, they hang apps on a wall and throw darts.
You sound like you're unhappy with UACOM. Why do you even want to attend the school?
 
Does anyone know how the waitlist works here? Liiiike is it ranked and is your ranking disclosed? Just curious.
 
Does anyone know how the waitlist works here? Liiiike is it ranked and is your ranking disclosed? Just curious.

According to the admissions office, you should know whether you've been accepted, rejected, or waitlisted as of the second week of March. So, if you've been receiving hold e-mails it means you're still under review, and technically on a current waitlist. The woman I spoke to then went on to kind contradict herself and tell me that you will know for sure if you're being accepted, rejected, or waitlisted by the second week of April. If you are waitlisted then, you can be considered well into the months of May or June. So, what I took from it is the hold e-mails are not just to keep you waiting, you are still being considered. The school does not disclose rankings for a waitlist.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, I do not think being placed on hold is the same thing as being wait-listed.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, I do not think being placed on hold is the same thing as being wait-listed.

You're right.
Does anyone know how the waitlist works here? Liiiike is it ranked and is your ranking disclosed? Just curious.

I'm almost certain they don't disclosing that information would be too helpful for us, plus it's good yield protection for them to keep it a secret (people lower on the waitlist won't know their position and won't withdraw).
You sound like you're unhappy with UACOM. Why do you even want to attend the school?


He's unhappy with the admissions process because it's terrible on applicants and there's so much unknown. you can love a school and recognize flaws in the admissions process or not like it. ex: At one of the schools I interviewed at (not U. of Az they do their interviews right here) they had the worst and most obnoxiously hostile MMI interview experiences and evaluation processes I've encountered. Even with that I still would attend that school at the drop of a hat if I got accepted because it's an amazing school, the admission process is just really rough on applicants and there's a lot of mystery in the process.

I think it'd be very interesting for all of us applicants to serve on admissions when we get accepted and see things from the other side though.
 
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Same here!

I received an under review too and interviewed on Feb 28th. But I am a little confused. Is this what everyone is talking about "hold" or did they not send out the acceptances from Feb 28th interview. Can someone please clarify from previous experiences. Thank you.
 
No this is not the "hold" one, I think they sent this under review email to all the 2/28 folks because they are running behind this year so they wanted to let us know that we will know soon lol. That's just my speculation. The hold email starts with "acceptance update" or something
 
He has every reason to be bitter. This process is ridiculously stressful and costly for all of us, especially when it's drawn out like at U of Az, and the lack of transparency from many admission departments and their idiosyncrasies that compound the stress us applicants face. Say what you like about whether or not it's productive in the long-run to be bitter or if it's a healthy mindset, but it's still a perfectly reasonable response to have.

He also is 100% right about the supposed "fairness" of this process, that's the harsh reality of this process.

I think bitterness is a dangerous thing, though. Being very upset is one thing, but bitterness hampers attaining the long-term goal and needs to be avoided. Everyone has their existential moments, but ther is a goal to meet in the end. But I'll save the life lessons...

The whole process is exhausting, and I know that many of us (myself included) have a string of expensive last-minute airplane tickets booked during peak travel times, hotels, meals, a suit, etc. on the credit card in one hand and no acceptance letter in the other. And then, when the process is completed, we have to scramble to put into action our "plan Bs." I wish things could be like they are for dental students in my state: EVERY applicant knows whether they're accepted, rejected, or waitlisted by Dec. 5th of the application year. Looks like us wannabe-MS people don't get such an easy ride.

I have to say that U of A was probably one of the best interview experiences I had, hands down.
 
Anyone from Feb 28 been accepted yet?

I doubt you guys will hear for another couple weeks, since the decisions went out for us Feb 7th people this past week. The under review email is usually sent a couple weeks before the decision is made.
 
If waitlist/rejection decisions are going out on/before April 9th as mentioned earlier, another round of acceptances should go out this week based on last year's timeline. Pure speculation, though. Last year two rounds of acceptances were sent out within 3 days of each other...
 
If waitlist/rejection decisions are going out on/before April 9th as mentioned earlier, another round of acceptances should go out this week based on last year's timeline. Pure speculation, though. Last year two rounds of acceptances were sent out within 3 days of each other...


Yeah I think us Ffeb 28 interviewees will find out this week. But are we 100% sure that the Feb 28th interviewee acceptances did not go out with Feb 7th? Does anyone know? It would be nice if people who are already accepted for this years cycle could give us some insight on this matter please. Instead of us just speculating. Any help would be appreciated.
 
Yeah I think us Ffeb 28 interviewees will find out this week. But are we 100% sure that the Feb 28th interviewee acceptances did not go out with Feb 7th? Does anyone know? It would be nice if people who are already accepted for this years cycle could give us some insight on this matter please. Instead of us just speculating. Any help would be appreciated.
If you didn't receive a hold email, then no acceptances were sent out to your interview group.
 
I agree. I received an "under review" email a few weeks before I was actually accepted. Don't worry. You'll definitely know when your group is being considered.
 
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The only thing we can know for sure is that final decisions (accepted, wait list, rejection) will come out before April 30th since that is the day all accepted applicants must hold only ONE acceptance.
 
Thanks for the info! So are you pretty much saying that if we have received a few of those "hold/deferral" emails, then we pretty much can assume that we are probably not going to get accepted this year?
No I don't want to say that at all, just that there are those who have already been rejected 100% in the school's eyes but will still continue to receive those emails. It doesn't seem to make sense and would be my gripe about UA's application process, but it must serve the school somehow. Good luck to you and all! Hang tough!
 
I'm not sure what the benefit of doing the cycle this way is for the university. Seems wildly inefficient, and just leaves early interviewees with more than half a years worth of concern. There are people with acceptances to out of state schools, who are holding out hope that they'll be accepted by their state school, instead of beginning to plan for their move across the country. I'll be matriculating to Phoenix regardless of what happens next week, and one of the many reasons why is due to the fact that I've been in post-interview limbo since September. Life goes on, and you have to start planning for what you know is a certainty.

UA-Tucson could do significantly better, in my opinion, if they follow UA-Phoenix's example. All applicants are told, at the interview, what specific day they will hear back. All applicants are either accepted or rejected, and a small portion are held by the committee for future reconsideration.
 
I'm not sure what the benefit of doing the cycle this way is for the university. Seems wildly inefficient, and just leaves early interviewees with more than half a years worth of concern. There are people with acceptances to out of state schools, who are holding out hope that they'll be accepted by their state school, instead of beginning to plan for their move across the country. I'll be matriculating to Phoenix regardless of what happens next week, and one of the many reasons why is due to the fact that I've been in post-interview limbo since September. Life goes on, and you have to start planning for what you know is a certainty.

UA-Tucson could do significantly better, in my opinion, if they follow UA-Phoenix's example. All applicants are told, at the interview, what specific day they will hear back. All applicants are either accepted or rejected, and a small portion are held by the committee for future reconsideration.
I agree 100%!!
 
Yeah honestly if it's true that a certain chunk of applicants that are 100% rejected based on their score(ie, anyone below an average score of 2.5 based on the UA scoring system automatically no longer gets considered) all the way back in September but are being told "they are still being considered" into April... not sure how that is ethical.
 
Yeah honestly if it's true that a certain chunk of applicants that are 100% rejected based on their score(ie, anyone below an average score of 2.5 based on the UA scoring system automatically no longer gets considered) all the way back in September but are being told "they are still being considered" into April... not sure how that is ethical.

Well, I mean the schools have all the leverage the way this system is set up. What can you do.
 
Yeah honestly if it's true that a certain chunk of applicants that are 100% rejected based on their score(ie, anyone below an average score of 2.5 based on the UA scoring system automatically no longer gets considered) all the way back in September but are being told "they are still being considered" into April... not sure how that is ethical.

Well, I mean the schools have all the leverage the way this system is set up. What can you do.

What are they leveraging though? What benefit does the school receive from doing it this way?

Seems to me that the school would benefit from having less applicants to wade through at the end, and applicants benefit from actually knowing where they stand in a reasonable, timely manner. For all I know, my application was looked at by the committee at their first meeting of the cycle, and was never looked at again since.

They have years of metrics that they can use to establish a numerical cut off where they know, based on historical data, that an applicant with a score < x will not get in. Reject those applicants, don't keep feeding them sporadic emails with teases about an acceptance that likely won't occur.

If they interview 7-800 applicants, maybe ~200 will be accepted (in total) to fill the class. Something can be done about those other several hundred who are waiting an unnecessarily long time.
 
What are they leveraging though? What benefit does the school receive from doing it this way?

Seems to me that the school would benefit from having less applicants to wade through at the end, and applicants benefit from actually knowing where they stand in a reasonable, timely manner. For all I know, my application was looked at by the committee at their first meeting of the cycle, and was never looked at again since.

They have years of metrics that they can use to establish a numerical cut off where they know, based on historical data, that an applicant with a score < x will not get in. Reject those applicants, don't keep feeding them sporadic emails with teases about an acceptance that likely won't occur.

If they interview 7-800 applicants, maybe ~200 will be accepted (in total) to fill the class. Something can be done about those other several hundred who are waiting an unnecessarily long time.
Well you'd have to think that they benefit in some way. Perhaps they enjoy having a large pool of candidates at the end to cherry pick from in order to increase class diversity (in regards to experiences, ethnicity, age, gender, major, etc.). And schools can get away with that--especially state schools with cheaper tuition or top schools, because kids will be ready to attend no matter what.
 
What are they leveraging though? What benefit does the school receive from doing it this way?

Seems to me that the school would benefit from having less applicants to wade through at the end, and applicants benefit from actually knowing where they stand in a reasonable, timely manner. For all I know, my application was looked at by the committee at their first meeting of the cycle, and was never looked at again since.

They have years of metrics that they can use to establish a numerical cut off where they know, based on historical data, that an applicant with a score < x will not get in. Reject those applicants, don't keep feeding them sporadic emails with teases about an acceptance that likely won't occur.

If they interview 7-800 applicants, maybe ~200 will be accepted (in total) to fill the class. Something can be done about those other several hundred who are waiting an unnecessarily long time.

It's yield protection. It's the same reason why a lot of schools dont tell us our position on the waitlist even if it's ranked. They want to have their cake and eat it. If a school told people on the bottom of the waitlist and they had no chance, people would withdraw and even though there's a low % chance of actually admitting people on the bottom of the waitlist if that happened and they couldn't fill the class they'd probably lose a bundle of money.

In the case of AZ, they're prepared in case a lot of people withdraw even though they interview an absurd number of applications and it's not fair to us. The emails also feed into our false hope and can easily be interpreted to mean "wow, my application is getting reviewed again and again, I might have a chance", even though that's not the case, so we stay in the pool of applicants available should they need more applicants to admit. They're also medical school admissions and medical school admissions can do almost anything they want and have their cake and eat it, and we're stuck dealing with the ramifications because there are so many people applying to med school who will jump through these hoops that our thoughts are totally inconsequential and there are thousands of people to replace us. Logic about what happens and how applicants feel goes out the window.

In fact this entire medical school admissions process is a testament to the fact that medical school admissions can and will do whatever they want most of the time with no thoughts about applicants. That's why medical school admissions aren't transparent, that's why they can lead you on for months, and have you fly across the country, have you sit through 9 hr interview days to be potentially rejected and given no information. If you think being led on for months is unfair, what do you think about your entire future boiling down to often one 30 minute interview and what one person may think of you, regardless how potentially biased that person may be and interviewer inconsistency? What do you think of how a difference of a few points on the mcat can mean the world to medical school admissions or even a small gpa difference can too? (At one school I was rejected because my gpa was .o2 below a cutoff that isn't posted anywhere) None of those things are fair but it's the process, and it's what works for them.

Medical schools can reject you for any reason, treat applicants however they want, and because so many people want to be doctors so bad, we are at the mercy of the system. It isn't fair and it's a harsh reality, but those of us including myself who are willing to and want to be doctors bad enough will keep going through the process no matter what. I really do wish medical school admissions would be more transparent, be more open to feedback, change, and being more user-friendly because they put a large amount of unnecessary stress on us, but we have to go with it because we have no control over this and we want to be doctors. You can find lots of double-standards and holes in admissions logic, but that doesn't matter because their rule is the law.

I'm sorry if this seems harsh, but this is the way it is.
 
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It's yield protection. It's the same reason why a lot of schools dont tell us our position on the waitlist even if it's ranked. They want to have their cake and eat it. If a school told people on the bottom of the waitlist and they had no chance, people would withdraw and even though there's a low % chance of actually admitting people on the bottom of the waitlist if that happened and they couldn't fill the class they'd probably lose a bundle of money.

In the case of AZ, they're prepared in case a lot of people withdraw even though they interview an absurd number of applications and it's not fair to us. The emails also feed into our false hope and can easily be interpreted to mean "wow, my application is getting reviewed again and again, I might have a chance", even though that's not the case, so we stay in the pool of applicants available should they need more applicants to admit. They're also medical school admissions and medical school admissions can do almost anything they want and have their cake and eat it, and we're stuck dealing with the ramifications because there are so many people applying to med school who will jump through these hoops that our thoughts are totally inconsequential and there are thousands of people to replace us. Logic about what happens and how applicants feel goes out the window.

In fact this entire medical school admissions process is a testament to the fact that medical school admissions can and will do whatever they want most of the time with no thoughts about applicants. That's why medical school admissions aren't transparent, that's why they can lead you on for months, and have you fly across the country, have you sit through 9 hr interview days to be potentially rejected and given no information. If you think being led on for months is unfair, what do you think about your entire future boiling down to often one 30 minute interview and what one person may think of you, regardless how potentially biased that person may be and interviewer inconsistency? What do you think of how a difference of a few points on the mcat can mean the world to medical school admissions or even a small gpa difference can too? (At one school I was rejected because my gpa was .o2 below a cutoff that isn't posted anywhere) None of those things are fair but it's the process.

Medical schools can reject you for any reason, treat applicants however they want, and because so many people want to be doctors so bad, we are at the mercy of the system. It isn't fair and it's a harsh, but those of us including myself who are willing to and want to be doctors bad enough will keep going through the process no matter what. I really do wish medical school admissions would be more transparent, be more open to feedback, change, and being more user-friendly because they put a large amount of unnecessary stress on us, but we have to go with it because we have no control over this and we want to be doctors. You can find lots of double-standards and holes in admissions logic, but that doesn't matter because their rule is the law.

Yield protection is practiced by every school. There are just better ways to do it, and there are many schools that do, in fact, do it in a manner that is more friendly to the applicant while simultaneously protecting their yield.

It's well known that schools pay attention to their school specific threads on SDN. It provides a real time view of what their applicants are doing and what people are saying about their program.

So yes, I understand that the power is in their hands, and in a seller's market they can dictate however they please. We can still voice our displeasures about how they implement their system. Who knows, it might lead to a change for future cycles.
 
Yield protection is practiced by every school. There are just better ways to do it, and there are many schools that do, in fact, do it in a manner that is more friendly to the applicant while simultaneously protecting their yield.

It's well known that schools pay attention to their school specific threads on SDN. It provides a real time view of what their applicants are doing and what people are saying about their program.

So yes, I understand that the power is in their hands, and in a seller's market they can dictate however they please. We can still voice our displeasures about how they implement their system. Who knows, it might lead to a change for future cycles.


I support your efforts and you definitely have my kudos if you manage to get U of Az or any school to change some of the tactics they use when handling applicants, but at the same time I believe working your hardest to get into medical school and working to change/understand admissions when you're accepted would work just as well, if not better.
 
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I support your efforts and you definitely have my kudos if you manage to get U of Az or any school to change some of the tactics they use when handling applicants, but at the same time I believe working your hardest to get into medical school and working to change/understand admissions when you're accepted would work just as well, if not better.

I agree. But at this stage, I'm just an accepted student who's going to start school this summer. I do hope to be involved in the admissions process later in med school though.

Voice your opinions. The worst that can happen is nothing changes. If nothing else, other posters on here can take solace in the fact that their frustrations are shared by others.
 
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