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Can any current students estimate the cost of attendance (room and board) outside of tuition and fees? I am someone that will be taking out straight loans for all four years. Is the estimated 23 K per year inflated on Einstein's website or does that sound accurate. Thanks for the help 🙂) It was confirmed with me that Einstein will only be using Federal loans to cover costs outside of tuition and fees.
 
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It’s Over!!! said:
So for me--if your family is really rich and you will have little to no debt--T20

If your family is of lesser means where you will get very substantial need based financial aid--T20

Then there is my category. My family does well enough that undergrads did not offer any financial aid but they are nowhere near wealthy enough where the cost of medical school attendance will be able to be borne by my family. So I will have substantial loans and if not offered any merit aid could realistically have loans for full COA. In my category--which probably includes many--a full tuition scholarship at Einstein would be hard to turn down against my Top 20 and even top 2 options. This is especially true if the top schools are basically saying no aid at all.

I haven't heard any FA offers from any of my A's yet, so haven't made any decisions yet. And I honestly have zero faith any more offers from Einstein would be going out.

But I told myself from the beginning of the process that if NYU accepted me I was going there even if Harvard or JHU were options. Without question for me. Well, NYU rejected me post II and Harvard didn't even interview me. But I am fortunate enough to have Hopkins. And while Einstein is not yet quite NYU, Einstein would be a real possibility for me.

If only I were a real possibility for them. And I am basing this solely on the circumstances. I think I am a great fit for Einstein. I am not just trying to be a Debbie Downer by saying this over and over again. But at best I would guess those without decisions are hoping for a WL. And how much WL activity there is will depend on the number of offers outstanding compared to prior years and how many people holding A's are able to negotiate matching or at least better FA at a higher ranked or better fit for them school, or fall into one of the first two categories I discussed (very rich or qualify for need based).

So many congrats to those with A's!
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Just want to mention top schools are the ones that are most likely to at least partially match tuition. I'm also in a similar financial position as It's Over but here are things that I have been told to look for in schools:

1. Match list: Are students in the schools you got into matching well in terms of program, location, and specialty. Some schools are really well known for their residency programs despite not being a T20 (i.e. Jefferson's ophtho program is one of the best in the country and students from their med school match more easily). Also look at WHERE people match. A majority (looks like close to 90%) of Einstein's students complete a residency in NYC, which is considered one of the most malignant and difficult locations to do one. Residents are usually given a ton of scut, may not get too much hands on experience, and pay a ton just to survive while making amongst the least in terms of income compared to other residents in their specialty who may be learning in the Midwest or the South. Also means you have less (not 0% but just overall less) of a chance of getting into a residency outside of New York.

2. Location: Will you be close to family or friends? Never underestimate the strength of having a support system that you can easily see in person. Albeit this is can be taken with a grain of salt depending on your connection with your family and so on. Do you like living in a city or do you prefer suburbs? (Einstein is in a pretty residential area of the Bronx so it's definitely not the same vibe as Manhattan)

3. Curriculum: Is the school P/F? Do you want to be ranked because you like a challenge? Can you volunteer and get credit for it or do you have to do research and write a paper? Are the exams NBME or in house style? A lot of the med students I talked to have said that Einstein continues to refine their curriculum but they can sometimes step back in terms of progress because they are overeager in pleasing a vocal minority. Einstein also has in house exams which some students said didn't hold them back on STEP but others seemed less than pleased.

4. Finances: This is definitely a huge factor but surprisingly isn't. Sure you will take out loans but max out your government loans. Residencies count as working in a public sector and after working for 10 years in the public sector your government loans are erased. So if you do an intensive surgical residency for 6 years, you will only have to really pay high monthly payments for 4 years. While you will pay for the loans to some degree you will most likely never be able to repay the entire thing within 10 years of graduating which is completely fine and saves you money. ALSO if you get into a public state school as an OOS applicant, you can actually claim residency following one year and qualify for in-state tuition.

5. Prestige: Never ever underestimate how easily you can get your foot in the door by going to a T20. No money in the world can pay for the connections some of these schools have with incredible research and surgical sites. This can make a huge difference when applying for residency to the point where you end up not having to worry as much about your STEP2 or getting a couple more volunteering experiences to seem more well rounded (know a program director who said that if you're at a T20 they pretty much preferentially look at your application before others).

Sorry if that was super long but these are just some things I've learned in the last few months! The finances are definitely a huge plus, but it's important to see if you actually see yourself fitting in with the student and patient population. Sacrificing 80% of your med school experience for the other 20% isn't always the best.
 
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Einstein is a really great school. While I think there's a gap between them and others (i.e., T20), I don't think it's seriously significant, and the gap will likely get a lot smaller/non-existent in a few years. I think their match list - everywhere, not just NY (i.e., MGH, BWH, UCLA, Stanford, Yale, JHU, etc. in all types of residencies) - already reflects that.

Their research is great, and their social focus/global health program is great too. The tuition and subsidized housing (especially for NYC) is... well, you know.
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Any thoughts on sending a pre decision letter of intent? Just interviewed recently and I’m pretty nervous about having to wait for decisions. I have a publication coming out next week so should I wait for that to be released and email my update or letter of intent? This is my top choice and was even before free tuition so I’m just freaking out…
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drtobe_ said:
Just want to mention top schools are the ones that are most likely to at least partially match tuition. I'm also in a similar financial position as It's Over but here are things that I have been told to look for in schools:

1. Match list: Are students in the schools you got into matching well in terms of program, location, and specialty. Some schools are really well known for their residency programs despite not being a T20 (i.e. Jefferson's ophtho program is one of the best in the country and students from their med school match more easily). Also look at WHERE people match. A majority (looks like close to 90%) of Einstein's students complete a residency in NYC, which is considered one of the most malignant and difficult locations to do one. Residents are usually given a ton of scut, may not get too much hands on experience, and pay a ton just to survive while making amongst the least in terms of income compared to other residents in their specialty who may be learning in the Midwest or the South. Also means you have less (not 0% but just overall less) of a chance of getting into a residency outside of New York.


3. Curriculum: Is the school P/F? Do you want to be ranked because you like a challenge? Can you volunteer and get credit for it or do you have to do research and write a paper? Are the exams NBME or in house style? A lot of the med students I talked to have said that Einstein continues to refine their curriculum but they can sometimes step back in terms of progress because they are overeager in pleasing a vocal minority. Einstein also has in house exams which some students said didn't hold them back on STEP but others seemed less than pleased.

4. Finances: This is definitely a huge factor but surprisingly isn't. Sure you will take out loans but max out your government loans. Residencies count as working in a public sector and after working for 10 years in the public sector your government loans are erased. So if you do an intensive surgical residency for 6 years, you will only have to really pay high monthly payments for 4 years. While you will pay for the loans to some degree you will most likely never be able to repay the entire thing within 10 years of graduating which is completely fine and saves you money. ALSO if you get into a public state school as an OOS applicant, you can actually claim residency following one year and qualify for in-state tuition.

5. Prestige: Never ever underestimate how easily you can get your foot in the door by going to a T20. No money in the world can pay for the connections some of these schools have with incredible research and surgical sites. This can make a huge difference when applying for residency to the point where you end up not having to worry as much about your STEP2 or getting a couple more volunteering experiences to seem more well rounded (know a program director who said that if you're at a T20 they pretty much preferentially look at your application before others).

Sorry if that was super long but these are just some things I've learned in the last few months! The finances are definitely a huge plus, but it's important to see if you actually see yourself fitting in with the student and patient population. Sacrificing 80% of your med school experience for the other 20% isn't always the best.
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It sounds like you might be trying to dissuade others with an acceptance for a shot yourself. Either way, good luck post-interview
 
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Einstein is a really great school. While I think there's a gap between them and others (i.e., T20), I don't think it's seriously significant, and the gap will likely get a lot smaller/non-existent in a few years. I think their match list - everywhere, not just NY (i.e., MGH, BWH, UCLA, Stanford, Yale, JHU, etc. in all types of residencies) - already reflects that.

Their research is great, and their social focus/global health program is great too. The tuition and subsidized housing (especially for NYC) is... well, you know.


It sounds like you might be trying to dissuade others with an acceptance for a shot yourself. Either way, good luck post-interview
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Sorry if it came across that way I just thought that everyone would already know how amazing of an institution it was if they got past interviews and received an acceptance. I didn't mean any malice when I made my post just thought I'd mention some potential cons.

Here are some of the things I love the most about the school that I think most people are also aware of too:
1. It's an insane research powerhouse with the oldest MSTP program in the country. It gets some of the most NIH grant funding per PI in the country (number 7 i think?)
2. The patient population is extremely diverse giving you the opportunity to support patients living in food deserts, experiencing the effects of historical and modern marginalization, and other forms of inequity.
3. The extracurriculars are superb with a great free clinic and countless clubs that allow you to do anything ranging from teaching kids about science to supporting patients receiving chemotherapy
4. They seem to be very open towards LGBTQ+ and minority students (again because the school is in a very diverse region) meaning you get to work alongside future colleagues who may be very different than you which is awesome
5. The administration is very open to making changes (in the form of also providing free outside resources when studying for courses and STEP exams)
6. Getting shadowing and research experiences seem to be super easy having talked to some students and faculty. They all really want you to succeed.
7. True P/F with no internal ranking
8. Global health programs that give you the chance to make an actual difference abroad
9. 2 Sub-Is meaning you get the chance to be like a resident even before you start so you're more than prepared when you do match
10. You are super close to Manhattan so if you want to get away you can!

Like I said sorry if it came across like I was trying to dissuade people I just wrote some concerns that I have had when thinking about other schools. I think I was mostly trying to subconsciously dissuade myself when I wrote that so I wouldn't be too upset if I got hit with an R 🙁
 
drtobe_ said:
Sorry if it came across that way I just thought that everyone would already know how amazing of an institution it was if they got past interviews and received an acceptance. I didn't mean any malice when I made my post just thought I'd mention some potential cons.

Here are some of the things I love the most about the school that I think most people are also aware of too:
1. It's an insane research powerhouse with the oldest MSTP program in the country. It gets some of the most NIH grant funding per PI in the country (number 7 i think?)
2. The patient population is extremely diverse giving you the opportunity to support patients living in food deserts, experiencing the effects of historical and modern marginalization, and other forms of inequity.
3. The extracurriculars are superb with a great free clinic and countless clubs that allow you to do anything ranging from teaching kids about science to supporting patients receiving chemotherapy
4. They seem to be very open towards LGBTQ+ and minority students (again because the school is in a very diverse region) meaning you get to work alongside future colleagues who may be very different than you which is awesome
5. The administration is very open to making changes (in the form of also providing free outside resources when studying for courses and STEP exams)
6. Getting shadowing and research experiences seem to be super easy having talked to some students and faculty. They all really want you to succeed.
7. True P/F with no internal ranking
8. Global health programs that give you the chance to make an actual difference abroad
9. 2 Sub-Is meaning you get the chance to be like a resident even before you start so you're more than prepared when you do match
10. You are super close to Manhattan so if you want to get away you can!

Like I said sorry if it came across like I was trying to dissuade people I just wrote some concerns that I have had when thinking about other schools. I think I was mostly trying to subconsciously dissuade myself when I wrote that so I wouldn't be too upset if I got hit with an R 🙁
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**This is not a rebuttal to OP, just an avenue to address things prospective students may be considering in making their decision**

1. Sure, but not super relevant to you if you're not applying MSTP as a lot of the better funded labs are not the most clinically relevant or welcoming to medical students. It's also an inflated number because it includes program grants that fund investigators at multiple institutions but the lead PI is at Einstein. The school has also been having trouble retaining some of it's more productive research faculty.
2. Sure, but in practice you're going to just learn that while the school emphasizes these things the health system pays lip service to them and sends all the marginalized patients to city hospitals because the sites we rotate at run on a 0% margin (bonus points if you figure out what they do with ALOC patients).
3. Accurate
4. I'd say one of Einstein's greatest strengths is its support for students' individuality (though there are obviously limits). This extends (though to a lesser extent) to the health system more broadly.
5. Not really. They're making changes now because they very publicly got in trouble. But the people who are in charge of fixing the problems are the same ones who caused them to begin with. "Free" resources have historically been rolled into tuition and fees, so anyone's guess how that will be handled going forward.
6. Fair
7. Accurate
8. Fair
9. This isn't really unique to Einstein. And depending on demand you may be placed on a PA team (read: you see the attending for 30 minutes a day and never work with any residents) or at a hospital without any residents at all.
10. You're not. On a good day, it's at least an hour to get to midtown.
 
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drtobe_ said:
Sorry if it came across that way I just thought that everyone would already know how amazing of an institution it was if they got past interviews and received an acceptance. I didn't mean any malice when I made my post just thought I'd mention some potential cons.

Here are some of the things I love the most about the school that I think most people are also aware of too:
1. It's an insane research powerhouse with the oldest MSTP program in the country. It gets some of the most NIH grant funding per PI in the country (number 7 i think?)
2. The patient population is extremely diverse giving you the opportunity to support patients living in food deserts, experiencing the effects of historical and modern marginalization, and other forms of inequity.
3. The extracurriculars are superb with a great free clinic and countless clubs that allow you to do anything ranging from teaching kids about science to supporting patients receiving chemotherapy
4. They seem to be very open towards LGBTQ+ and minority students (again because the school is in a very diverse region) meaning you get to work alongside future colleagues who may be very different than you which is awesome
5. The administration is very open to making changes (in the form of also providing free outside resources when studying for courses and STEP exams)
6. Getting shadowing and research experiences seem to be super easy having talked to some students and faculty. They all really want you to succeed.
7. True P/F with no internal ranking
8. Global health programs that give you the chance to make an actual difference abroad
9. 2 Sub-Is meaning you get the chance to be like a resident even before you start so you're more than prepared when you do match
10. You are super close to Manhattan so if you want to get away you can!

Like I said sorry if it came across like I was trying to dissuade people I just wrote some concerns that I have had when thinking about other schools. I think I was mostly trying to subconsciously dissuade myself when I wrote that so I wouldn't be too upset if I got hit with an R 🙁
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Oh that's no problem - I've heard of people doing that before, which is why I mentioned it might've seemed like that. I didn't think you were meaning significant harm in any case.

Good luck!! Whichever way the cycle ends up (and whichever school you end up at), I hope you have a great time 🙂
 
Ripgordo said:
**This is not a rebuttal to OP, just an avenue to address things prospective students may be considering in making their decision**

1. Sure, but not super relevant to you if you're not applying MSTP as a lot of the better funded labs are not the most clinically relevant or welcoming to medical students. It's also an inflated number because it includes program grants that fund investigators at multiple institutions but the lead PI is at Einstein.
2. Sure, but in practice you're going to just learn that while the school emphasizes these things the health system pays lip service to them and sends all the marginalized patients to city hospitals because the sites we rotate at run on a 0% margin (bonus points if you figure out what they do with ALOC patients).
3. Accurate
4. I'd say one of Einstein's greatest strengths is its support for students' individuality (though there are obviously limits). This extends (though to a lesser extent) to the health system more broadly.
5. Not really. They're making changes now because they very publicly got in trouble. "Free" resources have historically been rolled into tuition and fees, so anyone's guess how that will be handled going forward.
6. Fair
7. Accurate
8. Fair
9. This isn't really unique to Einstein. And depending on demand you may be placed on a PA team (read: you see the attending for 30 minutes a day and never work with any residents) or at a hospital without any residents at all.
10. You're not. On a good day, it's at least an hour to get to midtown.
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Worded a bit bluntly (sounds like the M3-M4's at other schools I've talked with), but otherwise cons seem similar to the other research schools.
 
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johnr42700 said:
Worded a bit bluntly (sounds like the M3-M4's at other schools I've talked with), but otherwise cons seem similar to the other research schools.
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Blunt to be sure (perfectly content to admit there's only so much empathy in the emotional budget at this point).

You will get a strong education here. And while there are many faculty who care tremendously about your education, your success in the face of med ed leadership who are (generously) five years behind the curve is more so in spite of, rather than a result of, the curriculum.

Important as well to consider the actual physical location of the school. While the Bronx is a tremendous place that everyone should experience (to their betterment), there have been at least five instances of Einstein students being mugged/robbed (multiple times at knife point) in the immediate area over the last year.
 
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Blunt to be sure (perfectly content to admit there's only so much empathy in the emotional budget at this point).
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I've visited and heard from several friends there over the years. The campus area is nice, and immediate area suburban. They spoke about a few incidents over the past few years, but nothing very serious.
 
My overall sense of Einstein (as someone who has gotten in) is of pretty systemic disorganization. No one has any idea what is going on - students, faculty, other staff. I personally am concerned about over enrollment (what are they planning to do to accommodate more students than planned - housing, cadavers, etc?)

On paper, Einstein is objectively better than the other school I am considering (no tuition, research I'm interested in, MD/MS option, slightly better ranking) but my gut is saying that the lack of structure and, to quote LCME, strategic plan, will not serve me as a student.

In 10 years, I think this school could be stellar. But right now, I'm just not sure. I don't really care to be the class that starts after a complete overhaul of curriculum, exam style, mentorship, finances, probation-related things. Idk though maybe those things don't matter if my debt is cut in half.

Any current students have thoughts about this assessment?
 
oniongirl said:
My overall sense of Einstein (as someone who has gotten in) is of pretty systemic disorganization. No one has any idea what is going on - students, faculty, other staff. I personally am concerned about over enrollment (what are they planning to do to accommodate more students than planned - housing, cadavers, etc?)

On paper, Einstein is objectively better than the other school I am considering (no tuition, research I'm interested in, MD/MS option, slightly better ranking) but my gut is saying that the lack of structure and, to quote LCME, strategic plan, will not serve me as a student.

In 10 years, I think this school could be stellar. But right now, I'm just not sure. I don't really care to be the class that starts after a complete overhaul of curriculum, exam style, mentorship, finances, probation-related things. Idk though maybe those things don't matter if my debt is cut in half.

Any current students have thoughts about this assessment?
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+1, this is also my fear, I feel like so much is new and in the air. my other options are around the same rank but will leave me with far more debt but are schools I think I would be happier at and succeed more at. at what point is it worth it? would love to hear others thoughts 🙂
 
sparky21 said:
+1, this is also my fear, I feel like so much is new and in the air. my other options are around the same rank but will leave me with far more debt but are schools I think I would be happier at and succeed more at. at what point is it worth it? would love to hear others thoughts 🙂
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Go where you think you’ll do best. Make a pros/cons list. You got time to decide. Free tuition is great, but happiness and where you’ll be comfortable are the most important things imo
 
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oniongirl said:
My overall sense of Einstein (as someone who has gotten in) is of pretty systemic disorganization. No one has any idea what is going on - students, faculty, other staff. I personally am concerned about over enrollment (what are they planning to do to accommodate more students than planned - housing, cadavers, etc?)

On paper, Einstein is objectively better than the other school I am considering (no tuition, research I'm interested in, MD/MS option, slightly better ranking) but my gut is saying that the lack of structure and, to quote LCME, strategic plan, will not serve me as a student.

In 10 years, I think this school could be stellar. But right now, I'm just not sure. I don't really care to be the class that starts after a complete overhaul of curriculum, exam style, mentorship, finances, probation-related things. Idk though maybe those things don't matter if my debt is cut in half.

Any current students have thoughts about this assessment?
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Idk, maybe its just me but don't those changes sound for the better? Like all the logistics may not be figured out right away but they'll eventually come. I was already leaning toward Einstein and becoming tuition free kinda put the cherry on top. There's a sentiment that you'll always find happiness at whatever school you choose, but I'm pretty sure you'll be a lot happier as resident who is not in 300k of debt.
 
idkwthgoinon said:
Sorry if this is a dumb question but if a school does in house tests and I wanted to practice nbme exam questions on my own, how feasible is that? I think someone mentioned costs as a reason as to why Einstein doesn't offer it. I'm just confused as to how that all works/why that would be a factor. Would appreciate any insight. Ty
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according to current students, Einstein is moving to NBME exams next year
 
arkylous said:
Can any current students estimate the cost of attendance (room and board) outside of tuition and fees? I am someone that will be taking out straight loans for all four years. Is the estimated 23 K per year inflated on Einstein's website or does that sound accurate. Thanks for the help 🙂) It was confirmed with me that Einstein will only be using Federal loans to cover costs outside of tuition and fees.
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how did you got this confirm, did you email someone in the school or did they send an announcement ?
 
arkylous said:
Can any current students estimate the cost of attendance (room and board) outside of tuition and fees? I am someone that will be taking out straight loans for all four years. Is the estimated 23 K per year inflated on Einstein's website or does that sound accurate. Thanks for the help 🙂) It was confirmed with me that Einstein will only be using Federal loans to cover costs outside of tuition and fees.
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current student, I'm not sure of your spending habits, but I think you could get it below that. For a 3-bed this year in student housing, rent was $535 per person (including wifi, gym, utilities) and around $625 per person for a 2-bed. Rent may go up next year, but probably not substantially more
 
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how did you got this confirm, did you email someone in the school or did they send an announcement ?
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I emailed the financial head and he informed me they are only using federal loans for fees outside of tuition and fees
 
arkylous said:
I emailed the financial head and he informed me they are only using federal loans for fees outside of tuition and fees
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they just send the application for the financial questionnaire, and it seems they will have need-base aid for some people
 
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they just send the application for the financial questionnaire, and it seems they will have need-base aid for some people
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hmm interesting cause the assistant Dean of the Office of Student Finance did tell me they are currently only using student loans and that they would send out an updated FAQ (March 7th he told me) But I also see that the updated faq talks about need-based loans so idk anymore 😭 😭
 
It’s Over!!! said:
Oh no. I don’t think even those will be accepted. Relatively high stat here and have no hope whatsoever for an A.

Einstein is in a bit of trouble most likely. They probably can’t afford to give out any more A’s at all.
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wait really? how come? Because of the interviews/decisions they have already extended?

Before the announcement I think I woulda been a great fit. I'm a non-trad with like 7 years of research experience :/

Well at least if there is very little chance we know to not get our hopes up, and then if something good happens it will be a nice surprise!
 
Any current Einstein students willing to talk about mentorship and research, particularly in ROAD specialties?
 
rolling admission waitlist email --is this high priority? interviewed at the end of jan!
 
Very curious to hear current students' perspectives on what Einstein's overall trajectory will be in the coming years. Will the donation's main impact be the free tuition, prompting increases in applications and increased selectivity, or will it also allow the program to grow? In the latter case, how will Einstein compare to institutions that are currently ranked higher? I know the rankings are b.s., and I've liked Einstein since the start of this application cycle, but I wonder if the donation will have implications on where the school will stand relative to the giants.

All speculation, but interesting to hear others' takes...that's the purpose of a forum after all haha

*To add to this: Einstein historically struggled with finances under Yeshiva, which seemed to limit its success. Between the Montefiore acquisition and this donation I have some hope its trajectory will become even more positive.
 
Can a current student or someone who knows speak on whether lectures are mandatory and how often there are mandatory sessions?
 
Still haven't heard back, interiewed 12/15. I noticed people who interviewed in Feb are beginning to hear back, should I message or keep waiting? I sent letter of interest beginning of February- just looking for some insight. Thanks guys!
 
sparky21 said:
Can a current student or someone who knows speak on whether lectures are mandatory and how often there are mandatory sessions?
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Lectures are not mandatory. There are required sessions most days though. Sometimes there are 1-2, sometimes more. Usually, there are 1-2 days a week with limited required sessions or none.
 
Pepe_Silvia said:
(speaking as someone who’s been reading this thread since the announcement with no chance of getting in here)

You are clearly very talented, self-motivated and dedicated to have made it this far and received an acceptance here. From what I’ve seen, motivated students can make the best of less-than-ideal situations wherever they are (even though some environments may post greater challenges). “Flaws” here may have been highlighted recently due to LCME but there may be hidden issues at other institutions that won’t be apparent until you’re enrolled there. In other words, no school is perfect, some are just better at advertising and promotion.

As an outsider, bottom line it’s free and “all eyes on Einstein” at least for the foreseeable future will prob keep them on their A game. I say take “free” and run, but I’m just a stranger on the internet.
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This!!

Most US top 50 med schools are the very similar these days in terms of their curriculum, offerings, and issues from an educational standpoint with minor variations. (Particularly the programs in NYC due to the collaboration and faculty migration between them).

In life, you will never truly know how it would be to have made a different decision. I think the key to being happy is making the choice that you think is right at the time and commit to making it the best experience you can.

I really enjoyed attending here and feel so happy for anyone who finds themselves there now.

Also btw the MTA is going to start building a train station right next to campus that will take you directly into Penn station and all the way up to New Haven, CT!! That is going to be huge…
 
arkylous said:
hmm interesting cause the assistant Dean of the Office of Student Finance did tell me they are currently only using student loans and that they would send out an updated FAQ (March 7th he told me) But I also see that the updated faq talks about need-based loans so idk anymore 😭 😭
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I guess they are still figuring things out!
 
oniongirl said:
My overall sense of Einstein (as someone who has gotten in) is of pretty systemic disorganization. No one has any idea what is going on - students, faculty, other staff. I personally am concerned about over enrollment (what are they planning to do to accommodate more students than planned - housing, cadavers, etc?)

On paper, Einstein is objectively better than the other school I am considering (no tuition, research I'm interested in, MD/MS option, slightly better ranking) but my gut is saying that the lack of structure and, to quote LCME, strategic plan, will not serve me as a student.

In 10 years, I think this school could be stellar. But right now, I'm just not sure. I don't really care to be the class that starts after a complete overhaul of curriculum, exam style, mentorship, finances, probation-related things. Idk though maybe those things don't matter if my debt is cut in half.

Any current students have thoughts about this assessment?
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+1, they seem incredibly disorganized about everything. I’ve felt this way since my interview and now still in trying to schedule a campus “second look” visit…. they have no real process for doing so. I have an A to a much higher ranked school that I think I’d be super happy at but also really tough to say no to free tuition. If anyone has any tips for negotiating aid at other schools, I’m all ears
 
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+1, they seem incredibly disorganized about everything. I’ve felt this way since my interview and now still in trying to schedule a campus “second look” visit…. they have no real process for doing so. I have an A to a much higher ranked school that I think I’d be super happy at but also really tough to say no to free tuition. If anyone has any tips for negotiating aid at other schools, I’m all ears
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I was able to schedule a “Second Look” after filling out the form that was sent a while back. I suggest emailing the admissions office or contacting one of the Einstein students on the discord if you haven’t heard back.

In terms of negotiating, just send the admissions office or financial aid office a nice email asking if they would be willing to provide a scholarship to help you make the decision. A lot of T20 schools don’t match aid, but it’s always worth a shot to ask for something (didn’t work in my case)
 
oniongirl said:
My overall sense of Einstein (as someone who has gotten in) is of pretty systemic disorganization. No one has any idea what is going on - students, faculty, other staff. I personally am concerned about over enrollment (what are they planning to do to accommodate more students than planned - housing, cadavers, etc?)

On paper, Einstein is objectively better than the other school I am considering (no tuition, research I'm interested in, MD/MS option, slightly better ranking) but my gut is saying that the lack of structure and, to quote LCME, strategic plan, will not serve me as a student.

In 10 years, I think this school could be stellar. But right now, I'm just not sure. I don't really care to be the class that starts after a complete overhaul of curriculum, exam style, mentorship, finances, probation-related things. Idk though maybe those things don't matter if my debt is cut in half.

Any current students have thoughts about this assessment?
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sparky21 said:
+1, this is also my fear, I feel like so much is new and in the air. my other options are around the same rank but will leave me with far more debt but are schools I think I would be happier at and succeed more at. at what point is it worth it? would love to hear others thoughts 🙂
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I’m a current applicant, but I think if Einstein is your objectively best option or similar to other schools that you’ve been admitted to then it should be a fairly easy decision to pick tuition-free Einstein. The students seemed super nice when I visited, and they match well overall.

I think Einstein will work to make things better in the coming years in terms of organization, especially since they received such a big donation and need to now maintain a reputation more than ever. LCME accreditation will not be an issue - I heard everything is a pretty simple fix (i.e. not enough storage space for students, needing more study spaces). Furthermore, every school has issues that they need to improve - you just probably haven’t explored your other school options enough to find them.

If you truly think you’ll be happier at other schools, then by all means, take the extra debt. But I think if you could see yourself being overall happy at Einstein, then you’ll be glad you chose tuition-free. While you are deciding, you can see if your other schools want to match Einstein’s free tuition
 
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It seems almost certain that Einstein will rise in the ranks in the coming years due to free tuition.

However, I would love to hear any thoughts about whether residency directors will perceive Einstein students to be of the same caliber as students from T20s by the time the class of 2028 applies to residency. Or will the increased perception occur for the next cycle (class of 2029) since the announcement came after the first round of acceptances?
 
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