Basics 2.0: The Hubris of the Champions - Game Thread

[Coopah]

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You're a one-woman wafflefest.

What can I say, I'm sweet and delicious

 

[Stroganoff]

What can I say, I'm sweet and delicious

Must. Resist. Tunneling. Attempt.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Serious question ziggy: are you trying on a Navilly brand hat?

Not sure what you're getting at here besides avoiding

I know he was doing surgery but the Nav silence is really creeping me out. And I’m sure he’s done surgery many times before but he stays chatty all the time usually regardless of what else is happening.

I think nav is smart enough that you wouldn't catch this huge of a meta change. But I look forward to his commentary later

 

[PippyPony]

Must. Resist. Tunneling. Attempt.

Dude, I feel this so hard right now. lol

 

[Stroganoff]

Based on Dubz's "Liking" a **** ton of posts right now from before N0 even closed, that means she hasn't even read the thread.

1. She's village and genuinely didn't know Dina had died;
2. She's experienced wolf player and already knew Dina would die but is just now catching up on the thread to come across as busy irl villager.

Probability points to #1. I think? Thoughts, anyone?

 

[Stroganoff]

Dude, I feel this so hard right now. lol

Yeah? I feel it too.

 

[Coopah]

Must. Resist. Tunneling. Attempt.

I'm trying

 

[Animal Midwife]

Official Day 1 Lynch Tally
cubs (1) - Coop
Pippy (1) - ziggy

2/11
lynch close in ~5 hours

 

[PippyPony]

Not sure what you're getting at here besides avoiding

Ok, so is that a no?

That's disappointing, because that means your theory is just wacko without purpose lol

 

[Coopah]

Based on Dubz's "Liking" a **** ton of posts right now from before N0 even closed, that means she hasn't even read the thread.

1. She's village and genuinely didn't know Dina had died;
2. She's experienced wolf player and already knew Dina would die but is just now catching up on the thread to come across as busy irl villager.

Probability points to #1. I think? Thoughts, anyone?

I think Dubz is busy, as she said she would be. I don't know which posts she liked but I'd give it NAI

 

[cubsrule4e]

Screw it I'm back here

Lynch Cubs

I give up.

#modkillmenow

 

[Stroganoff]

I give up.

#modkillmenow

Lol so dramatic. Drink more beer. (Or less beer?)

 

[WildZoo]

2) Nothing stopping us from playing a game of Telephone Pictionary (TP). Sentence! 😛

Yes please

...has Dubz already told you stuff in PM?

Who do you think I am?

Why is that extra mean? I don't understand this

I actually was curious to see of wolves would no kill n0...games that start on night make me sad. But, not the way to win I suppose.

Also dubs has posted elsewhere on the forums but not here. But I don't want her to grand manator spank me for saying that lol. And it was nai lasst time

K I know for a fact this time that I posted in other threads prior to night closing here, because it was before we started surgeries today, and have not been here since 9am. Shade noted though.

I know he was doing surgery but the Nav silence is really creeping me out. And I’m sure he’s done surgery many times before but he stays chatty all the time usually regardless of what else is happening.

Dude. Stop this.

Wolves can be busy too, so really it's NAI, but it certainly shouldn't be seen as sketchy for him to not be posting during surgery...

 

[PippyPony]

Who do you think I am?

Someone who doesn't typically PM people a ton of information on N0/D1, which is why I asked lol

 

[Stroganoff]

Someone who doesn't typically PM people a ton of information on N0/D1, which is why I asked lol

 

[WildZoo]

W o w that was sent in strictest confidence

 

[Stroganoff]

W o w that was sent in strictest confidence

lol noob

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

I was going to say how weird I felt this post was because I feel like you don’t normally tell anyone hey guys I won’t be here, you just don’t show up.


But then for some reason this post made me feel better. Idk.

Yeah I'm gonna be a bit busy this summer

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

I know he was doing surgery but the Nav silence is really creeping me out. And I’m sure he’s done surgery many times before but he stays chatty all the time usually regardless of what else is happening.

I'm pretty sure his silence isn't sketchy. He probably knows better than to go ghost while wolfing.

 

[PippyPony]

Yeah I'm gonna be a bit busy this summer

Ok. Are you thinking you might be available for lynches in mid-June, or are we looking all the way into late August?

 

[Stroganoff]

Yeah I'm gonna be a bit busy this summer

But it's spring

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

But it's spring

Once school's out its summer for me, bad habit I guess

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Ok, so is that a no?

That's disappointing, because that means your theory is just wacko without purpose lol

I still don't know what you're getting at but I find this insulting. My theory is not "wacko" and I came up with it on my own. What have you contributed besides insulting my ideas? Haven't seen any new revelations personally.
And you continually trying to discredit me makes me feel better about my vote.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

As for the whole telephone thing, we might as well just put it all out on thread since its gonna go through so many people. Unless its a fun thing then why not.

 

[genny]

Less screaming at each other? I'm actively trying to let things go, I have a feeling it's not working.

That might be it.

 

[PippyPony]

I still don't know what you're getting at but I find this insulting. My theory is not "wacko" and I came up with it on my own. What have you contributed besides insulting my ideas? Haven't seen any new revelations personally.
And you continually trying to discredit me makes me feel better about my vote.

But your theory doesn't make any sense, and you're lynching me for it

You're looking at N=1 for something from a previous game that you actually have no insight into, and are completely ignoring what I said about it and calling it bull**** and saying I'm lying when I'm not.

I wasn't trying to insult you, I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt just then that you were doing that on purpose to see who actually latched onto it.

Do you think I have actually contributed nothing so far?

 

[PippyPony]

Because from my perspective -- most of what I have seen from you thus far is some pretty reachy shade and speculation about ability-related stuff in a manner that could remove any village-leaning leverage that could potentially be obtained from some overall non-villagey roles.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

But your theory doesn't make any sense, and you're lynching me for it

You're looking at N=1 for something from a previous game that you actually have no insight into, and are completely ignoring what I said about it and calling it bull**** and saying I'm lying when I'm not.

I wasn't trying to insult you, I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt just then that you were doing that on purpose to see who actually latched onto it.

Do you think I have actually contributed nothing so far?

If I was lynching everyone who has killed Dina early, I would be lynching cubs. I'm not. I'm not even lynching you for the theory but rather your reaction to it. There is absolutely no logical reason you tried to kill Dina n1. And yeah, I do think you are lying about knowing she was royalty d1. I welcome you, or anyone, to go back to that thread and iso Dina. Like I said, posted 5 times before she was targeted. So yeah, I don't believe you and I'm going with the LAL thing rn. If you would've just said, oh weird coincidence. That would be one thing. But nah, you tried to delegitimize any connection there based off of her role that game which you did not know at that point. Seems sketchy enough to me d1 to warrant a vote.

Because from my perspective -- most of what I have seen from you thus far is some pretty reachy shade and speculation about ability-related stuff in a manner that could remove any village-leaning leverage that could potentially be obtained from some overall non-villagey roles.

You talking to yourself or?? I don't understand any of this

 

[WildZoo]

As for the whole telephone thing, we might as well just put it all out on thread since its gonna go through so many people. Unless its a fun thing then why not.

I mean, I thought it was gonna be a fun thing

 

[WildZoo]

I've suggested this in PM chain games before but some party poopers never got it rolling

 

[PippyPony]

If I was lynching everyone who has killed Dina early, I would be lynching cubs. I'm not. I'm not even lynching you for the theory but rather your reaction to it. There is absolutely no logical reason you tried to kill Dina n1. And yeah, I do think you are lying about knowing she was royalty d1. I welcome you, or anyone, to go back to that thread and iso Dina. Like I said, posted 5 times before she was targeted. So yeah, I don't believe you and I'm going with the LAL thing rn. If you would've just said, oh weird coincidence. That would be one thing. But nah, you tried to delegitimize any connection there based off of her role that game which you did not know at that point. Seems sketchy enough to me d1 to warrant a vote.

...do you understand that "LAL" applies to people who are actually lying, specifically about things that are happening in the current game?

What wolfy purpose do you think it would serve for me to just randomly lie about **** from old games?

 

[PippyPony]

You talking to yourself or?? I don't understand any of this

And no, I'm talking to you. You replied to my comment earlier, so I thought you understood what I meant. Apparently you did not, which I am increasingly ok with, I think.

 

[Navilly]

I guess it could be helpful if you jail someone and they have a role and can still use it and say that. Then you know they've a wolf. But otherwise I don't see much utility.

Also that nk is lame sauce

Protection role with drawback is the main use. You won't know they are a wolf as their is no feedback on your success.

I don't see the utility in wolves No Killing.
I see some minor utility in village voting, preferably earlier than not I would think. Dunno.

Interested in hearing people's thoughts who have played games with this mechanic in the past.

Pre-empting people: I'm not saying I'm in favor of No Lynching on D1, was just curious.

I am not going to explain how wolves can use this tactfully to avoid giving them ideas. There are multiple ways it can be done, ask me again after the game.

Did you see my point before about not wanting to elaborate on some things in case it affects game play?

You can explain to Ziggy how its useful to us, this way if villager has that role, they are better able to utilize it.

Does anyone have any information gleaned from Night 1 Fake Night 1? I'm all ears (human ears). 🙄

Edited to Add: N0 closed at 11 AM EDT with a 12 PM EDT deadline. Does this mean there's some accuracy to say that the woofs may not have both participated in the thread up until ~11 AM, so we can try to SWAG who the two least active peeps are? Or would the woofs know this and thus artificially delay their vote until the last hour to throw us off the trail? (Is this WIFOM?)

I need to go back and look at who has posted after roles went out and before night was closed. But it only excludes one wolf, so it's only helpful if we catch someone who was active prior to that time. Kill is no information from the standpoint of time frame, but Dina was an interesting choice.

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[PippyPony]

You can explain to Ziggy how its useful to us, this way if villager has that role, they are better able to utilize it.

No thanks, I will pass until after the game.

 

[PippyPony]

I mean, I thought it was gonna be a fun thing

Now that you have caught up, do you have comments beyond an unofficial TP game?

 

[Navilly]

Did she tell you she's a wolf?

Eh, not a fan of this comment, minor wolfy points.

I PMd cubs around 9 AM EDT something non-game related with the hope he'd send it to you, and so on and so forth. 😛

It may serve as a good "canary" or indicator of when someone's on or not on.

Nope. No PMs received.

Nope. No PMs received.

Interesting idea, falls under the idea of "angling" or "angle shooting" which many are not a fan of. I will never turn down any piece of information,

What was there to say? It was "Night zero," so I liked the ziggles jab post.

This gets village points. I am trying to read through all the sketch that seeps out of Cubs posts and focus on the village nuggets he sometimes leaves, since I had him as village in last game, until I read his posts, which made him creep farther and farther upwards on my list.

Correct, hence my barb at genny, and the reason I shouldnt be looked at differently for not commenting last night when half the roster or more didnt either.

Nav is normally trying to run the show, where is he? The Sketch point should actually be going there.

Except I actually think it was weird and am not just looking for people's reactions to my ****ty logic.

Ha. Hahaha. Ha. Ah, I see that I should be taking Coopah under my wing.

I didn't realize AM's affiliation was the question mark here

Still not sure how you misread my response there, so if you want an answer on this, feel free to rephrase.

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[WildZoo]

Now that you have caught up, do you have comments beyond an unofficial TP game?

I believe I made them. I am waiting for relevant responses but I think zig decided to ignore me.

 

[PippyPony]

I believe I made them. I am waiting for relevant responses but I think zig decided to ignore me.

Where did you ask for responses?

 

[WildZoo]

Where did you ask for responses?

I wasn't aware I had to

 

[Navilly]

Okay well wolves can think people are village too. Just the way you phrased your post about coop doesn’t lead me to think anything else except pushing sketch.

Also sky is blue. Grass is green. Surgery is terrible. Anything else we need to point out that is obvious>

If someone has more free time then me or likes to look at these kinda things like nav, I know Dina was killed d1 in a recent game without having posted anything. It might actually have been 2 recent games. If I get time I can go back and see who the wolves were that game. Also the wolves in naVs game did try to kill Dina d1 also. Seems kinda weird to me.

You rang? That kill was dictated by Stagg in the wolf chat. Pippy had listed Dina as one of their top 5 or 6 to kill off due to them considering them a good player. Pippy jokingly submitted to kill Dubz, then switched it to no kill. Stagg woke up in the morning, saw the no kill submission, flipped out on Pippy and changed it to Dina. Because I read this earlier from Pippy, Royalty had nothing to do with the kill the first time, only the second time. The misremembrance is NAI for me or even villager points, feel like Wolf Pippy would not have been that careless to leak misinformation that she knew I would correct when I came online (she saw me refer back to wolf chat with dolphin last game).

Also dubs has posted elsewhere on the forums but not here. But I don't want her to grand manator spank me for saying that lol. And it was nai lasst time

You learn well young Padawan. I know how some people can get all up in arms about it, but honestly, you should be using all information available to you. Full Stop. To ignore something like that is not playing to your best.

Hi all, just popping in to see how things were.
I won't be participating that much cuz I got work but I'll pop in every now and again.

If that's the case, I am sure you won't have time to be going through the meme thread each day liking all of lawper's posts. (this isn't a wolf vs. villager comment but a good vs. bad play comment)

Sorry is it a different sort of bias? Whatever

It's annoying how the Coopah vs. Pippy interactions are completely NAI. Go into a pm, kiss and make up, and come back to a place where we can actually analyze y'alls interactions. #unfiltered

No, you are just being grumpy lol

Since we are being srs bzns -- I'm interested in your thoughts when you get back. Getting a different vibe from your posts so far and I'm not sure if it's just that you're on surgery.

Yes I am grumpy, I hate surgery, you know this, I know this, the world knows this. So my posts will come off as me hating my life more, because well... yeah.

You're pre-vet/ vet?

nah, human doctor clearly 😉

Again, can everyone avoid lynching me until 5:30 PM EST. I'll be busy before then.

Any other requests we can fulfill for you? We can also fulfill the request of not voting to lynch you the whole game. or maybe a MsP lynching only hour, where we only can submit votes for you from x point to y point. In all seriousness, statements like that are sketchy af, and I need to go back to gladiators to see how you were posting, as this is my strongest blip as of this point in page 3.

This is a recent development for me. I used to ascribe to the Cray School Of NK Selection, where the most intimidating villagers are killed first. I feel like NKs are hard to analyze in the beginning, because it's a compromise between wolves. There are several people in this game that I could envision green lighting a Dina kill since she lived so long in the last game.

Better question, who would green light a Dina kill, but not a Dubz kill for living long last game.

Less screaming at each other? I'm actively trying to let things go, I have a feeling it's not working.

See above. lol. Feel free to use your private chat from the game I modded, so I can smack either of you upside on the head if either of you act up.

Serious question ziggy: are you trying on a Navilly brand hat?

I like it! And the brand is Navi, rolls off the tongue better.

I know he was doing surgery but the Nav silence is really creeping me out. And I’m sure he’s done surgery many times before but he stays chatty all the time usually regardless of what else is happening.

Ah this is where you are wrong. I hate surgery. Hate. HATE. I do not do surgery unless I absolutely must. You will see much less day chatty from me for the next.... 4 months of my play. But good catch that I was posting less 😉.

Dude, that's kind of insane 😕. Nav is in surgery, you acknowledge this and his being quiet is creepy? What is he supposed to do, sneak a hand under his gown to check his phone during a neuter? 🤣

Also


Thanks for checking in! I look forward to more from you later!

@cubsrule4e is Miz strange then? Or just Nav? This is the second time you've tried to shade Nav. I don't like it.

Looked on internet for a meme of this, was not disappointed.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Also sky is blue. Grass is green. Surgery is terrible. Anything else we need to point out that is obvious>

You rang? That kill was dictated by Stagg in the wolf chat. Pippy had listed Dina as one of their top 5 or 6 to kill off due to them considering them a good player. Pippy jokingly submitted to kill Dubz, then switched it to no kill. Stagg woke up in the morning, saw the no kill submission, flipped out on Pippy and changed it to Dina. Because I read this earlier from Pippy, Royalty had nothing to do with the kill the first time, only the second time. The misremembrance is NAI for me or even villager points, feel like Wolf Pippy would not have been that careless to leak misinformation that she knew I would correct when I came online (she saw me refer back to wolf chat with dolphin last game).


You learn well young Padawan. I know how some people can get all up in arms about it, but honestly, you should be using all information available to you. Full Stop. To ignore something like that is not playing to your best.

If that's the case, I am sure you won't have time to be going through the meme thread each day liking all of lawper's posts. (this isn't a wolf vs. villager comment but a good vs. bad play comment)

It's annoying how the Coopah vs. Pippy interactions are completely NAI. Go into a pm, kiss and make up, and come back to a place where we can actually analyze y'alls interactions. #unfiltered

Yes I am grumpy, I hate surgery, you know this, I know this, the world knows this. So my posts will come off as me hating my life more, because well... yeah.

nah, human doctor clearly 😉

Any other requests we can fulfill for you? We can also fulfill the request of not voting to lynch you the whole game. or maybe a MsP lynching only hour, where we only can submit votes for you from x point to y point. In all seriousness, statements like that are sketchy af, and I need to go back to gladiators to see how you were posting, as this is my strongest blip as of this point in page 3.


Better question, who would green light a Dina kill, but not a Dubz kill for living long last game.

See above. lol. Feel free to use your private chat from the game I modded, so I can smack either of you upside on the head if either of you act up.

I like it! And the brand is Navi, rolls off the tongue better.

Ah this is where you are wrong. I hate surgery. Hate. HATE. I do not do surgery unless I absolutely must. You will see much less day chatty from me for the next.... 4 months of my play. But good catch that I was posting less 😉.


Looked on internet for a meme of this, was not disappointed.
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I don't think I liked any of lawpy's gifs recently.

 

[WildZoo]

And here you see the marked difference between people who love surgery (me) and people who don't. Yikes. Someone get this man a Snickers 😉

You learn well young Padawan. I know how some people can get all up in arms about it, but honestly, you should be using all information available to you. Full Stop. To ignore something like that is not playing to your best.

I'm surprised you read that as anything but hedgey shade throwing tbh

 

[Stroganoff]

It's annoying how the Coopah vs. Pippy interactions are completely NAI. Go into a pm, kiss and make up, and come back to a place where we can actually analyze y'alls interactions. #unfiltered

1. Per the game rules, they can't bilaterally PM each other game related stuff.
2. Any kissing must be witnessed in public.

If that's the case, I am sure you won't have time to be going through the meme thread each day liking all of lawper's posts. (this isn't a wolf vs. villager comment but a good vs. bad play comment)

Snap

Edited to add: Pre-empting the people who use this post as evidence that I'm just posting caca without substance. 😛

 

[Navilly]

Not sure what you're getting at here besides avoiding

I think nav is smart enough that you wouldn't catch this huge of a meta change. But I look forward to his commentary later

And I look forward to your commentary on my commentary.

I'm pretty sure his silence isn't sketchy. He probably knows better than to go ghost while wolfing.

Incorrect. I can ghost while wolfing or ghost while villagering. In either case, if I am not here, I am not here. If I am here, I am here. As multiple have mentioned, its NAI, not villager points of wolf points.

I've suggested this in PM chain games before but some party poopers never got it rolling

And here you see the marked difference between people who love surgery (me) and people who don't. Yikes. Someone get this man a Snickers 😉



I'm surprised you read that as anything but hedgey shade throwing tbh

Eh hedgey shade throwing, maybe. Using all of their resources, though, I approve, especially in comparison to some people's overreactions compared to last game.

For now, I am going to

Lynch MsP

It's the approved lynching time. And more importantly, I haven't gone through the gladiator game yet, and want to see how they posted there, so might as well add heat to that fire in the meantime.

 

[WildZoo]

Also hi @dolphin106258

 

[Stroganoff]

@mizchiefmanaged, how many WW games have you played? This is my 2nd pre-vet game (I think?), so I'm kinda bummed that I'm lacking in context and meta to offer as substance here. I'm sitting her on D1 twirling my thumbs tryna read tea leaves to sound useful.

 

[WildZoo]

Are we gonna sit around not lynching all day? Is that the correct strategy?

Seems boring
lynch zigzagoon

 

[genny]

Better question, who would green light a Dina kill, but not a Dubz kill for living long last game.

Is this an actual question?

 

[Navilly]

Is this an actual question?

Half rhetorical, half real.

 

[genny]

Also sky is blue. Grass is green. Surgery is terrible.

None of these things is as true as you make them out to be...

Especially the surgery bit.