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LetItSnow said:
Uh, yeah, but obviously I was talking about back when I claimed to have been attacked, at which point the tracker was alive.

All I'm saying is that from a 'facts' standpoint I have the strongest claim to villager-ness in the game. If you want to buck that and vote for me because you suspect I'm playing a mind-game ... hey, I totally respect that. It's a ballsy move. It just happens to be a wrong move, too. 🙂
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You've got me pretty much convinced at this point. I'm not sure it matters though since I'm likely dead by morning. There is only one wolf left though, I'm sure of that.
 
Good call LIS. I agree with your logic, just wasn't awake to check in. Somehow I have caught MrsSOV's jet lag. Now I am awake at 3 in the morning with no one to talk to. 🙁
 
Jilary said:
Wait, FB tracked Finn while she was affiliation seering aloha, so yes, I believe she's not a wolf and definitely a neutral. So the wolf is between kcough and SOV.
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Hmm, not sure I am convinced. What do the wolves have to affiliation seer for? They know who the wolves are already. If you are going to make some play to give credibility to one of the wolves, then wouldn't you act like you got the info legitimately if anyone was checking. As a wolf, we always do crap like that as a cover, so this is not really conclusive one way or the other. Only if they had neglected to cover they arses... A bunch of noob wolves might make that error, but I doubt Nyanko would. Then again, it could be exactly as it appears. My question is what did the wolves have to gain from trying to lynch a neutral. They must have known the village would just choose to ignore the neutral player, and they essentially "cleared" Aloha. That makes little sense. I mean, neither Finn, nor Nyanko were particularly under the gun at that point, so why would they throw a neutral out at that point. I am leaning towards Aloha being the last wolf, simply because the wolf play makes no sense otherwise.
 
alohacat319 said:
If I was a wolf I would laugh and let you try.... but you're wasting a lynch, someone will die tonight, and then it's game over.
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alohacat319 said:
Welp. I tried to warn you. You have ten minutes.... but if you guys try to lynch me tonight then you're handing the game to the wolves.
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Why was aloha trying so hard not to get lynched. She lied about the game being over if she was lynched. In fact, quite the opposite. There is some major misleading going on here.

Either she is a wolf, or there is some very strange reason why she wouldn't want to be lynched. My guess, only one lynch avoidance. If we didn't lynch her, then yes wolves win, cause then cause we would need 2 more days.
 
StartingoverVet said:
Hmm, not sure I am convinced. What do the wolves have to affiliation seer for? They know who the wolves are already. If you are going to make some play to give credibility to one of the wolves, then wouldn't you act like you got the info legitimately if anyone was checking. As a wolf, we always do crap like that as a cover, so this is not really conclusive one way or the other. Only if they had neglected to cover they arses... A bunch of noob wolves might make that error, but I doubt Nyanko would. Then again, it could be exactly as it appears. My question is what did the wolves have to gain from trying to lynch a neutral. They must have known the village would just choose to ignore the neutral player, and they essentially "cleared" Aloha. That makes little sense. I mean, neither Finn, nor Nyanko were particularly under the gun at that point, so why would they throw a neutral out at that point. I am leaning towards Aloha being the last wolf, simply because the wolf play makes no sense otherwise.
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Have you gotten the rickamoo/not a plumbus item? It allows players to gain an ability, but each ability can only be gained once. So zen got the item and asked to be the tracker, but FB already claimed that ability so the item failed for her. Finn must have gotten the item early and claimed affiliation seer so the villagers couldn't get that ability. Finn was a wolf and an affiliation seer, it's in the write up and it's listed in each dead roster too.

If I'm dead soon, someone check back to see about SOV's suspicions on Finn, he claimed he put it out there on thread before anyone else, and if he did then he's more likely to be innocent.
 
StartingoverVet said:
Why was aloha trying so hard not to get lynched. She lied about the game being over if she was lynched. In fact, quite the opposite. There is some major misleading going on here.

Either she is a wolf, or there is some very strange reason why she wouldn't want to be lynched. My guess, only one lynch avoidance. If we didn't lynch her, then yes wolves win, cause then cause we would need 2 more days.
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Aloha is not a wolf. She is neutral. Why would Finn, a wolf, seer a member of her own pack? Makes no sense.
 
Jilary said:
Aloha is not a wolf. She is neutral. Why would Finn, a wolf, seer a member of her own pack? Makes no sense.
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You are misunderstanding.

Finn is an affiliation seer yes.
We know that.
And the wolves would use the affiliation seer every night to seem legit.

And if they are going to use neutral as a protection, of course they would "seer" just to make it look legit.

Just because Finn seered Aloha, and they claimed Aloha was neutral, that does NOT make Aloha neutral. A wolf claimed that. For wolf reasons.

Do you see what I am saying? That is what good wolves do.
 
StartingoverVet said:
You are misunderstanding.

Finn is an affiliation seer yes.
We know that.
And the wolves would use the affiliation seer every night to seem legit.

And if they are going to use neutral as a protection, of course they would "seer" just to make it look legit.

Just because Finn seered Aloha, and they claimed Aloha was neutral, that does NOT make Aloha neutral. A wolf claimed that. For wolf reasons.

Do you see what I am saying? That is what good wolves do.
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But FB saw Finn seer aloha, that's some crazy chances that they knew that was going to happen. Not likely I'm thinking.
 
Jilary said:
But FB saw Finn seer aloha, that's some crazy chances that they knew that was going to happen. Not likely I'm thinking.
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I will say it one more time... maybe you haven't been a wolf long enough.

If ALoha, finn and nyanko are wolves.
They are looking for some way to protect one of them with their abilities. All they have is seering and lynch avoidance.
They want to protect the most powerful wolf, Aloha.

If they have seered everyone left and know there is no neutral out there... then they concoct a plan to protect Aloha by claiming she is neutral, cause why bother lynching her then.

To cover yourself, you are definitely, and I say DEFINITELY going to seer Aloha first, so if anyone is watching, you have proof that ALoha was seered. It is a CYA move. I have done it every time as a wolf. Gotta act like the info is legit.

That is how you would do it, and that is what it appears to me has happened. Can't say 100%, but the lynch avoidance is what makes it more likely than just ALoha being neutral IMO. That is not a neutral ability.
 
There is no way they could have affiliation seered all the non-wolves at that point in the game. So it would have been a risk to claim neutral knowing there could be on in the game. Who was the other person to buy a guidebook besides SOV? That's really the only other way they could have found that out.
 
Last night was full of revelations, confirmations and a whole lot of theory- oh wait. I'm talking about the real Westworld.

In Campworld, maybe there was a bit of banging near the kitchen, but you know, that could happen any night.

Nobody has died.​

It is now Day 10. Lynch will close at 10:30PM EST.

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Maple Cabin
3. @Jilary

Birch Cabin
10. @alohacat319

Rowan Cabin
15. The @LetItSnow
16. @kcoughli
19. @StartingoverVet

Gone
17. @Caiter92 - Camper
20. @allyphoe - Camper
6. @Kam325 - Camper
1. @SandstormDVM - Camper
21. @Saki Nishibi - Camper
4. @katashark - Camper
9. @Zensing - Camper
8. @LadyOtheFarm - Camper
12. @SummerTheLynx - Camper
18. @hazelmoo - Camper
13. @Teepster87 - Camper
5. @PrincessButterCup - Camper
14. @nyanko - Camper
2. @BeautifulBritishColumbia - Camper
11. @finnickthedog - Camper (affil seer)
7. @Filly Bay - Camper (tracker)
 
Thoughts on re-lynching aloha today? I really don't think she's the wolf because of everything I said above. Wolves could not have affiliation seered every non-wolf at that point, 9 players, 3 wolves, so they would have had to seer 6 players on I think it was D7, and they couldn't have begun seering until N2, that's only 5 nights of seering at that point, so I guess they could have taken a gamble that the one remaining player wasn't the neutral, but that also means they didn't kill anyone they had previously seered, which I don't think is likely.

Also it does appear that SOV was one the first to throw suspicion to Finn. Which I know he could have done as a wolf, but I'm still really hoping he's not. He also got really worked up with me last night because I had said something about possibly getting the reference guide yesterday, and then I didn't. Part of that was because I was having second thoughts on if I should get that or the silly string and I admit I just messed up and didn't ask for either prior to lynch close. I'm a commitment-phobe.
StartingoverVet said:
3 wolves are left.

I am most suspicious of Finn (Because the last of the wolves who might have missed the first lynch) and Dyachei/kcough. I feel badly lynching kcough right away having just joined the game, so I am going to stick with my strategy until proven wrong.

lynch Finn.

Not sure how to respond to LIS, as his main reason seems to be I haven't voted to lynch him yet, which is an odd thing to discourage, but oh well.
I am plain vanilla, have been from the start. Jillary has trusted me for the same reason I trust her, we had some commonality in our vanilla villageress, although I have never checked the details because Trilt said there is no "code" per se, I assumed each message would have some variation to throw off the wolves, but we discovered this from beginning before wolves could even try to discern it.

Lynching me hurts the village numbers, that's it. I'd rather off the neutral because that doesn't help us, but I'd really rather lynch a wolf, so I will stick with my wolf attempt. Others have been suspicious of Finn, so I don't think it is a bad choice.
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It's also hard to get a read on kcough because she's only been with us a short time and Dy didn't say much prior. Kcough did vote nyanko, but that was 10min before lynch close and nyanko was already in the lead, so that doesn't prove much to me at all, it seemed more like an attempt to gain cred to me. I also find it ironic that they only 2 people kcough didn't have any feels on were Nyanko & Finn. Nyanko I could understand because of so few posts, but Finn posted plenty, enough that she should have had some feel just like she did with everyone else.

So I'm leaning kcough again, but would love some discussion today.
 
So now I can't tell if SOV is legit or pushing the aloha thing too far. Maybe because he's the last wolf?

Since Jil's post popped up before I finished typing this I'll go further and say that I voted Ny with closer to 30 min left as I recall, and she was only up by one or two votes at that point. Had I made a fuss I could have theoretically tried to bury someone else. There was no reason for me to switch off my FB vote either at that point except I saw the logic behind why people thought she was village (had not registered that she started the ally vote) and how close the vote was. While I wasn't necessarily expecting a hail mary save, with the unknown number of wolves voting each way you never know. Tides have turned even closer to lynch in the past. Finn only started posting a lot in that last day or two as I recall. I thought it was a weird change in playstyle but wasn't sure if she just realized that we're losing more villagers and needed more people to speak up and help gamesolve or what. Hence the zero read.

See and now I find you're doing the same, but I feel like that's part of your normal. Tend to be quieter earlier on but more chatty later on. But forgetting to Canteen it surprises me a bit. I also forgot to use it, but at that point I had just been added to the game and legit wasn't around. You definitely were and even talked about what to buy. That concerns me.

So there's still five, the logic from yesterday still holds true. While I think SOV is slightly fishy for switching his vote this way, we should still get a chance to win it tomorrow with an aloha vote. The only thing is if she has a lynch avoidance, and wolf kill tomorrow, it leaves wolf + neutral + 2 villagers. Does aloha have a PM buddy?

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Current reads:
Aloha - probably neutral, unless SOV's theory is legit, either way not village
SOV - ugh. Either him or Jil are a wolf. Unless it's aloha. WIFOM
Jil - see above for SOV. She switched off me to aloha yesterday though, when she could have easily just stayed quiet and won. Unless she thought SOV would come back and switch. WIFOM
LIS - still think is probably village

I want to know why there were no kills last night. Because that is messing with my head.
 
kcoughli said:
So now I can't tell if SOV is legit or pushing the aloha thing too far. Maybe because he's the last wolf?

Since Jil's post popped up before I finished typing this I'll go further and say that I voted Ny with closer to 30 min left as I recall, and she was only up by one or two votes at that point. Had I made a fuss I could have theoretically tried to bury someone else. There was no reason for me to switch off my FB vote either at that point except I saw the logic behind why people thought she was village (had not registered that she started the ally vote) and how close the vote was. While I wasn't necessarily expecting a hail mary save, with the unknown number of wolves voting each way you never know. Tides have turned even closer to lynch in the past. Finn only started posting a lot in that last day or two as I recall. I thought it was a weird change in playstyle but wasn't sure if she just realized that we're losing more villagers and needed more people to speak up and help gamesolve or what. Hence the zero read.

See and now I find you're doing the same, but I feel like that's part of your normal. Tend to be quieter earlier on but more chatty later on. But forgetting to Canteen it surprises me a bit. I also forgot to use it, but at that point I had just been added to the game and legit wasn't around. You definitely were and even talked about what to buy. That concerns me.

So there's still five, the logic from yesterday still holds true. While I think SOV is slightly fishy for switching his vote this way, we should still get a chance to win it tomorrow with an aloha vote. The only thing is if she has a lynch avoidance, and wolf kill tomorrow, it leaves wolf + neutral + 2 villagers. Does aloha have a PM buddy?

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You made this post at 10:22pm, lynch closed at 10:30pm. So 8min prior to deadline, go ahead and check, it's on page 14. Not much you could have done at that point except try to tie it up with SOV, which would have made you look SUPER suspicious.

kcoughli said:
Okay so here are my reads based on my short amount of time here (I was keeping up with the game but not with the amount of attention I normally devote when playing, haven't had a chance to re-read through it):

Aloha - neutral, only one to claim it, Trilt hinted there might be one, tabled
FB - had my feels-radar up big time earlier but apparently had something to do with the Ally lynch (will have to look back), tabled
BBC - so communicative, felt had to be village, now doubting self
SOV - vouched for jil, felt like trying to gamesolve earlier in the game, still feels village
LIS - attacked/protected, essentially village
Ny - zero read
Finn - zero read, other than seems chattier today now that her names been brought up a bit, could be wrong, need to look back
Jil - SOV vouched for her, felt had to be a reason for that, now I'm not so sure their vouches count for anything, possibly 2 wolves did partner up just because it would feel unlikely for them to do so?

All this to say

Unlynch FB
Lynch Ny
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As far as the cantina thing: I was waffling between the silly string and reference guide. I know trilt is strict on what she allows to be asked by "ask a mod" type sources, so I wasn't sure which would be more useful. I was also concerned buying the silly string made me a bigger target than I already was/am.
 
Jilary said:
You made this post at 10:22pm, lynch closed at 10:30pm. So 8min prior to deadline, go ahead and check, it's on page 14. Not much you could have done at that point except try to tie it up with SOV, which would have made you look SUPER suspicious.



As far as the cantina thing: I was waffling between the silly string and reference guide. I know trilt is strict on what she allows to be asked by "ask a mod" type sources, so I wasn't sure which would be more useful. I was also concerned buying the silly string made me a bigger target than I already was/am.
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You're right, there was less time left than I remembered. However both BBC and FB were still around and posted between my post and the deadline, and BBC was trying to shift people OFF of nyanko. It could have been easy for me to go "okay well if you think its a bad call..." etc and so on and switched.
 
Jilary said:
Lynch kcough

Nice job getting us not to lynch you yesterday, but I'm pretty convinced right now.
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You're making me suspicious now. I was leaning SOV as the last wolf for trying to push the "aloha is the wolf!" but now I'm not so sure. The same logic stands today as yesterday. We literally have the exact same players left.
 
kcoughli said:
You're making me suspicious now. I was leaning SOV as the last wolf for trying to push the "aloha is the wolf!" but now I'm not so sure. The same logic stands today as yesterday. We literally have the exact same players left.
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Except I'm more certain you are a wolf now. We lynch you, you're a wolf, game over villagers win. And if you really think I'm a wolf, you haven't been paying attention.
 
Options & Outcomes:
Lynch me - village loses, wolves + aloha win. 100% guaranteed loss.
Lynch Jil - possible same as above, possible village win. 50% chance of loss (maybe a little more because I still think SOV feels more fishy).
Lynch SOV - same as Jil. 50% chance of loss (maybe a little less)
Lynch LIS - probably same as me. 25% chance of loss.
Lynch aloha - 1. she avoids lynch and chooses to vote with the wolf tomorrow ending in a tie 2. she avoids lynch and chooses to vote with the village tomorrow ending in a village + aloha victory 3. she dies, no one dies overnight, village outnumbers wolf 3:1 and can hopefully win 4. she dies, villager dies overnight, remaining two villagers have to figure out who each other is and make the right call. Either way: much smaller chance of an instant loss situation

I think Gimli said it best:
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Lynch aloha

(did I mention I'm on nights now so I'm only around until 2PM CST? that being said, it's nice to have the day to sit around in my PJ's)
 
Oh I forgot to add if SOV's theory is correct, we could even win today if aloha truly is an alpha wolf. I feel like that's less likely but should include it as a possibility.
 
Do we think wolves could trade lynch avoidances for night kills? Like, if SOV is right and aloha is a wolf, maybe she could bargain and say "avoid today's lynch and I won't kill anyone tonight" type of deal?
 
I really feel like kcough is grasping at straws now. I'm about as likely to be a wolf as LIS is (yes it took some convincing for me yesterday, but I'm convinced now). I guess you should have tried to kill me last night kcough! Maybe you'll have better luck tonight if everyone decides to lynch aloha instead.
 
Jilary said:
I really feel like kcough is grasping at straws now. I'm about as likely to be a wolf as LIS is (yes it took some convincing for me yesterday, but I'm convinced now). I guess you should have tried to kill me last night kcough! Maybe you'll have better luck tonight if everyone decides to lynch aloha instead.
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It bothers me that your latching on to me is actually convincing me you're probably village. Which would make SOV (or aloha, though I still don't think that's right) the wolf and my reads on him all game were wrong. Either that or you're pushing hard for me because you are the wolf and figure you can better convince people today to vote my way, but that seems less likely considering you could have easily done that yesterday. Yeah, you're probably not the wolf. The question is do I switch my vote to SOV or stay on aloha? The other question is why would SOV vote for aloha as the wolf?

None of it makes sense. But if I'm lynched today we lose.
 
I'm between kcough and SOV. I really don't think jil or LIS is the last wolf and I know I'm a neutral.
 
Another thing that I can't help but wonder--

If Dy was just another vanilla villager, why would she ask for a replacement? Yeah village numbers are important but it's not like that role really needed to be filled by someone with more time, she could have coasted through the game not really active and it wouldn't matter as a vanilla. Maybe because of surgery and stuff or whatever else she has going on.... but I feel like a wolf is more likely to ask for a replacement than a vanilla.
 
alohacat319 said:
Another thing that I can't help but wonder--

If Dy was just another vanilla villager, why would she ask for a replacement? Yeah village numbers are important but it's not like that role really needed to be filled by someone with more time, she could have coasted through the game not really active and it wouldn't matter as a vanilla. Maybe because of surgery and stuff or whatever else she has going on.... but I feel like a wolf is more likely to ask for a replacement than a vanilla.
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I did ask Trilt if she could create me a role that could magically join the game after NAVLE. When dy decided to opt out Trilt offered since I'd asked previously. You can see the Future WW thread how I lamented over the game starting pre-NAVLE if you want verification.
 
If the wolf was SOV and kcough was a villager like she claims, he should be happy to let us lynch kcough allowing him to coast to victory. But SOV isn't doing that...

Kcough on the other hand is playing the "I don't know who it is" but I'm suspicious of lots of people card, which to me is more wolfy.
 
alohacat319 said:
If the wolf was SOV and kcough was a villager like she claims, he should be happy to let us lynch kcough allowing him to coast to victory. But SOV isn't doing that...

Kcough on the other hand is playing the "I don't know who it is" but I'm suspicious of lots of people card, which to me is more wolfy.
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Hence my confusion over why he is voting for you instead of the easier target that would clinch a victory for him. Does make me wonder if his off-the-wall theory about you being the wolf is accurate. But maybe that's the point, to sow dissension.

Edit: spelling
 
kcoughli said:
Hence my confusion over why he is voting for you instead of the easier target that would clinch a victory for him. Does make me wonder if his off-the-wall theory about you being the wolf is accurate. But maybe that's the point, to sow dissension.

Edit: spelling
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Did you read my explanation of why SOV's theory on aloha is HIGHLY unlikely?
 
A neutral win doesn't take away from a villager win. I am not chaos. If we lynch the wolf today we can all come out on top.
 
alohacat319 said:
It's not.
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Which is why I posited he may have just thrown it out there to make us question everything. Or he thought aloha was likely going to be voted for again today based on the same logic as yesterday and wanted to be the first one on it instead of the last to seem less wolfy?
Jilary said:
Did you read my explanation of why SOV's theory on aloha is HIGHLY unlikely?
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Yes, which is why I don't think it's accurate either and didn't originally include it in my list of possibilities. I think it's becoming more likely to me that SOV is the remaining wolf. But you guys won't take my word for it, and I don't blame you. Up until today I thought he was not likely to be a wolf. But I KNOW it's not me, and if you lynch me we lose. If we lynch aloha we're just in limbo again until tomorrow and then maybe the wolf will kill me tonight and I won't have to worry about it anymore (unlikely, since I'm still the easiest candidate to throw under the bus.

I'm going to stick with my aloha vote unless you guys can get on board with an SOV vote. It comes down to the same thing as before, we still have a chance to win if we lynch aloha. If we lynch me it's game over (but I'm guessing aloha will still win with the wolves so it won't matter to her).
 
kcoughli said:
Which is why I posited he may have just thrown it out there to make us question everything. Or he thought aloha was likely going to be voted for again today based on the same logic as yesterday and wanted to be the first one on it instead of the last to seem less wolfy?

Yes, which is why I don't think it's accurate either and didn't originally include it in my list of possibilities. I think it's becoming more likely to me that SOV is the remaining wolf. But you guys won't take my word for it, and I don't blame you. Up until today I thought he was not likely to be a wolf. But I KNOW it's not me, and if you lynch me we lose. If we lynch aloha we're just in limbo again until tomorrow and then maybe the wolf will kill me tonight and I won't have to worry about it anymore (unlikely, since I'm still the easiest candidate to throw under the bus.

I'm going to stick with my aloha vote unless you guys can get on board with an SOV vote. It comes down to the same thing as before, we still have a chance to win if we lynch aloha. If we lynch me it's game over (but I'm guessing aloha will still win with the wolves so it won't matter to her).
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And SOV will likely come on here and say the same things about you, but to me there is more evidence pointing to him being a villager than you. You just want us to take your word for it, and that just isn't going to cut it.
 
Jilary said:
And SOV will likely come on here and say the same things about you, but to me there is more evidence pointing to him being a villager than you. You just want us to take your word for it, and that just isn't going to cut it.
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I know. Which is essentially what I just said. I get it, but if we don't want to instant lose today we have to vote off either a neutral or a wolf and I am neither of those things.
 
kcoughli said:
I know. Which is essentially what I just said. I get it, but if we don't want to instant lose today we have to vote off either a neutral or a wolf and I am neither of those things.
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SOV sent me multiple messages last night and this morning in addition to what is on this thread trying to convince me aloha is the last wolf. I don't see the benefit of that if he were the wolf because it would be better to get rid of you. Nothing is going to change between today and tomorrow as far as evidence. We have no tracker and we have no affiliation seer, so I don't see the point in dragging out the inevitable.
 
Jilary said:
SOV sent me multiple messages last night and this morning in addition to what is on this thread trying to convince me aloha is the last wolf. I don't see the benefit of that if he were the wolf because it would be better to get rid of you. Nothing is going to change between today and tomorrow as far as evidence. We have no tracker and we have no affiliation seer, so I don't see the point in dragging out the inevitable.
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So you'd rather lose? Surely someone has silly string they could use tonight!
Edit: You do ! So ... what?
 
LIS is the deciding vote, seems like everyone else is pretty set. And I have a feeling he's gonna vote for me.
 
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