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[SkiOtter]

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Agh... I can't fight this feeling. I'm going back to Ski. Wolf item makers are a thing. I need to stick with my gut on this one.

Lynch ski

 

[vetmedhead]

Nope, conversion didn't trump night cancel in Telenovela. Intuitively, that wouldn't make sense to me, since it's a night action - why should it proceed even if night is canceled?

I've seen wolf item makers at least a couple of times. It's not super common. And yes, Trilt was an original wolf and a tinker in Lion King.

Must have been another game then. I just remembered some kind of argument about game balance requiring conversions and something or other being discussed in the spectator chat. It's not super important.

 

[PrincessButterCup]

I'm super lost right now, tbh. The players I would want to vote for today based on gameplay (hyge and ski) both have abilities that don't sound inherently wolfy. A wolf shouldn't have night cancel, that makes no sense. But chaos could. Ski claims to be item maker, but that's literally the only defense, and it came out of nowhere. Possibly like a wolf who happens to have an ability that can come off as villager and didn't know how else to defend. At least hyge is helpful with information about the show.

I'd really like to hear from both hyge and ski who they think is wolfy, instead of hiding behind their abilities as their only defense.

I like this thinking. Hyge had some strange comments earlier, but having such an innocuous ability had somewhat cleared her in my mind. Chaos would make sense - I could see chaos having that ability (but if she's chaos and that's her only ability, she's kind of a lame chaos).

It's really easy to make items that seem helpful but are actually malicious. So it's possible that Ski is a wolf tinker, and her items may have some harmful affect, may give inaccurate results, or may not work at all (by design). Or she's village. Or she's wolf and creates items as if she were a villager, in order to avoid suspicions. Wolf tinkers show up every once in a while, so there's no way to really "clear" Ski just based off an ability reveal.

 

[SkiOtter]

Must have been another game then. I just remembered some kind of argument about game balance requiring conversions and something or other being discussed in the spectator chat. It's not super important.

was it in the vet ww game?

 

[vetmedhead]

Although I would like to hear more from you @PrincessButterCup. You've been playing a bit differently from how I remember your normal in this game and I'm curious about why

 

[PrincessButterCup]

Although I would like to hear more from you @PrincessButterCup. You've been playing a bit differently from how I remember your normal in this game and I'm curious about why

I'm working on it. I'm home from work now, so working against the clock to shift through the rest of today's conversation and reply.

 

[dyachei]

I like this thinking. Hyge had some strange comments earlier, but having such an innocuous ability had somewhat cleared her in my mind. Chaos would make sense - I could see chaos having that ability (but if she's chaos and that's her only ability, she's kind of a lame chaos).

It's really easy to make items that seem helpful but are actually malicious. So it's possible that Ski is a wolf tinker, and her items may have some harmful affect, may give inaccurate results, or may not work at all (by design). Or she's village. Or she's wolf and creates items as if she were a villager, in order to avoid suspicions. Wolf tinkers show up every once in a while, so there's no way to really "clear" Ski just based off an ability reveal.

it's almost like we would need an ability to seer or something...

😵

 

[SARdoghandler]

SAR (though less so after her post a bit ago, but then she peaced out again)

Sorry, I get off work at like 4:30 MDT and my normal 45 minute commute turned into nearly 2 hours because no one knows how to deal with rain/windmageddon

As for tonights lynch. IDK. I'm going to keep sitting on PBC right now to go with my gut. However, if people want to do STL instead, I can get behind that too.

Regarding FB, since that came up earlier: she's actually a blank on my spreadsheet. I haven't made any notes about things that jumped out one way or another. However, not a fan of her voting pattern when I go back and look at timing, etc. Leaning neutral with maybe a point for wolfiness overall.

 

[PrincessButterCup]

it's almost like we would need an ability to seer or something...

😵

I meant as of this moment and what's been discussed on the thread.

 

[dyachei]

I meant as of this moment and what's been discussed on the thread.

Im just of the opinion when you have a claimed powerful role, like tinkerer, you probably shouldn't vote them just because you feel like it. we already know there's some seer ability based on how DocE was outed

 

[PippyPony]

I think we know specifically that there is a role name seer, given what information was outted.

Unless of course MJ (or unnamed source) just knows because he (he/she) is a wolf.

sent from ma fone

 

[vetmedhead]

Not comfortable with a ski lynch right now. The meltdown reads like, well, a meltdown, and hers reads a lot like a frustrated villager to me currently. Given that we'd likely get info about her tomorrow I'd rather pursue a lynch on someone I don't know anything about and see what info we get back on ski tomorrow.

Lynch PBC

 

[Bottle of Bear]

Day 3 - It's Wednesday! Lynch Tally

Hyge (1) - SOV
Ski (4) - fern, hyge, mj, cdo
Lupachei (1) - pippy
PBC (2) - SAR, vmh
cdo (2) - Lupachei, Ski
STL (1) - LIS
Filly (1) - raf

Ties: 0
Waffles: 8

12/15 votes

START SENDING IN NIGHT ACTIONS.

Lynch deadline... 10 minutes (9pm EST)

 

[dyachei]

I think we know specifically that there is a role name seer, given what information was outted.

Unless of course MJ (or unnamed source) just knows because he (he/she) is a wolf.

sent from ma fone

you think the tinkerer role might not have an obvious name? really?

 

[PrincessButterCup]

Just as an aside, wolves couldn't have planned the genny death specifically as they didn't know I was going to shoot DocE or, if they did, when I would do it.

Did I miss something - were you a 1x day assassin, or was this an item? I think it was a really odd use of that power. DocE was already going down, and you did speed the process along, but I thought it was really likely we'd end on plurality? Unless we're not using plurality rules this game . . . In any case, i thought the choice/timing was strange.

 

[SkiOtter]

PBC (1) - SAR, vmh

#math

 

[SARdoghandler]

Did I miss something - were you a 1x day assassin, or was this an item? I think it was a really odd use of that power. DocE was already going down, and you did speed the process along, but I thought it was really likely we'd end on plurality? Unless we're not using plurality rules this game . . . In any case, i thought the choice/timing was strange.

I will let vmh answer this so I'm not defending them rather than letting them defend themselves yada yada... But I really don't like this post and it makes me more comfortable with where my vote lies.

 

[PippyPony]

you think the tinkerer role might not have an obvious name? really?

Wut? I was talking about docE. The information provided on the thread was his role name. Hence, there is likely someone who can obtain role names. I didn't say anything about the tinkerer.

 

[SkiOtter]

Did I miss something - were you a 1x day assassin, or was this an item?

Was not an item

 

[dyachei]

Wut? I was talking about docE. The information provided on the thread was his role name. Hence, there is likely someone who can obtain role names. I didn't say anything about the tinkerer.

it came right after my comment about seering ski instead of lynching them.

 

[PrincessButterCup]

I still feel fairly comfortable with a Hyge lynch, from her comments during the DocE lynch.

Lynch Hyge

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

Ugh...

I don't want to tunnel to the point where my vote is responsible for getting a good ability player killed. But I'm still really having bad feelings about Ski and no one else is standing out super strongly.

Could do a PBC vote at this time.

 

[SkiOtter]

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

Unlynch Ski lynch PBC

If Ski flips wolf I will really regret this.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Did I miss something - were you a 1x day assassin, or was this an item? I think it was a really odd use of that power. DocE was already going down, and you did speed the process along, but I thought it was really likely we'd end on plurality? Unless we're not using plurality rules this game . . . In any case, i thought the choice/timing was strange.

I agree with this. I was kind of confused/surprised. Assassin roles are usually balance against strong wolves....that would be a waste.

The "more discussion" excuse seemed lame to me.

****unlynch hyge. Lynch vetmed******

 

[SkiOtter]

Could do a PBC vote at this time.

id go for it

unlynch egg, lynch pbc

 

[dyachei]

you guys know who likes to hunt neutral/chaos the most?

 

[vetmedhead]

Did I miss something - were you a 1x day assassin, or was this an item? I think it was a really odd use of that power. DocE was already going down, and you did speed the process along, but I thought it was really likely we'd end on plurality? Unless we're not using plurality rules this game . . . In any case, i thought the choice/timing was strange.

I'm a one shot day vigilante. I also think that this scenario is one of the only legitimate uses of the day vig role because it was likely I'd kill a wolf for village rather than letting discussion stall out after everyone lynched DocE and left for the day, or DocE would be village so we could lynch MJ or whoever on the bad info rather than wasting two lynch days sorting the matter out. I don't like using an assassin shot unless there is a very good chance it's aimed at a wolf and that's what I did today. I find it a little odd actually that you think it's a weird use of the role because I think it's a decently strategic use of it.

Plus, again, where does it say this is a plurality game? I still haven't seen that from the mods themselves and I'm inclined to believe they would have let it go to lynch close unless the person being I lynched asked them to close it early.

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

I personally am happy with VMH's assassin decision. DocE's comments before implied something might not go peachy with his lynch and to our knowledge that could have been a lynch avoidance.

 

[PippyPony]

FWIW I thought it was a pretty strong use of that shot. Got a known wolf out of the way rather than impeding discussion all day. I don't really see how that's a bad thing.

sent from ma fone

 

[PippyPony]

to our knowledge that could have been a lynch avoidance.

Yup, also great point.

sent from ma fone

 

[PrincessButterCup]

I will let vmh answer this so I'm not defending them rather than letting them defend themselves yada yada... But I really don't like this post and it makes me more comfortable with where my vote lies.

DocE had 12 out of 18 votes at the point he was shot. I just don't understand why that ability was used on him when he could have been lynched by plurality anyway - but I'll have to go back to the opening post and see if those rules are in play.

I hadn't accounted for the skipped night cycle in my original thought. Since it was mid-day, Dubz probably would have kept night open until original deadline or close to that - so VMH did save quite a bit of time. I didn't consider that. I guess that makes her action make more sense, but I still think it was odd and worth noting.

 

[Bottle of Bear]

Day 3 - It's Wednesday! Lynch Tally

Hyge (1) - Pbc
Ski (3) - hyge, mj, cdo
Lupachei (1) - pippy
PBC (4) - SAR, vmh, fern, ski
cdo (2) - Lupachei
STL (1) - LIS
Filly (1) - raf
Vmh (1) - SOV

Ties: 0
Waffles: ??

14/15 votes

START SENDING IN NIGHT ACTIONS.

Lynch deadline... closed (9pm EST)

 

[vetmedhead]

I agree with this. I was kind of confused/surprised. Assassin roles are usually balance against strong wolves....that would be a waste.

The "more discussion" excuse seemed lame to me.

****unlynch hyge. Lynch vetmed******

My role PM inclined me to believe I'm not the only assassin in the game. And, as of late in games there haven't been many wolves who could only be killed by assassin shot or who explicitly needed an assassin shot to die

 

[dyachei]

DocE had 12 out of 18 votes at the point he was shot. I just don't understand why that ability was used on him when he could have been lynched by plurality anyway - but I'll have to go back to the opening post and see if those rules are in play.

I hadn't accounted for the skipped night cycle in my original thought. Since it was mid-day, Dubz probably would have kept night open until original deadline or close to that - so VMH did save quite a bit of time. I didn't consider that. I guess that makes her action make more sense, but I still think it was odd and worth noting.

our lynch is our weapon. better to use votes to analyze wagons than to all pile on a seered player. it was an appropriate use of power

 

[Bottle of Bear]

****ing phone lynched closed at 6

 

[WildZoo]

LYNCHED CLOSED, RESULTS PENDING. CHECK YO VOTES.

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

Ugh.....10 minutes?? @Bottle of Bear I think you mean now my friend

 

[vetmedhead]

Also I can't remember where he said it but DocE implied he had a death avoidance somewhere and I figured if he didn't die by assassin shot then it would at least make it more likely he'd successfully die in a lynch and, again, save us from wasting two lynch days

 

[PippyPony]

Also I can't remember where he said it but DocE implied he had a death avoidance somewhere and I figured if he didn't die by assassin shot then it would at least make it more likely he'd successfully die in a lynch and, again, save us from wasting two lynch days

Yup, he implied some kind of trap -- avoidance or retaliatory kill -- about 6 times.

 

[SkiOtter]

Also I can't remember where he said it but DocE implied he had a death avoidance somewhere and I figured if he didn't die by assassin shot then it would at least make it more likely he'd successfully die in a lynch and, again, save us from wasting two lynch days

I remember pointing this out at some point yesterday(?). It was his "id be okay with going down mid game in a tie with STL" that made me think that.

 

[cdo96]

Also I can't remember where he said it but DocE implied he had a death avoidance somewhere and I figured if he didn't die by assassin shot then it would at least make it more likely he'd successfully die in a lynch and, again, save us from wasting two lynch days

Oh, I definitely think you did a good job! I agree completely.

 

[WildZoo]

****ing phone lynched closed at 6

No silly, lynch closed at 9 😉

 

[SARdoghandler]

Also agree that the assassin shot when it was used was great use. Exactly when I would have used it anyway.

I've played at least 2 games before with a very similar scenario laying out where a number of people complained that an assassin didn't use their shot then or complained that there was no assassin

 

[vetmedhead]

When people compliment your gameplay but you don't take compliments well and also usually play as chaotic stupid in games

 

[WildZoo]

D3 -



Charlie was holed up at the Bunker, doing what she did best: hacking and research. Rowena was plan A, but they had always needed contingencies. If she could find another way to stop him, they might not need to rely on Rowena so heavily. And that would be a good thing. She worked until her eyes burned from staring at her screen, then she switched to good old fashioned books. Finally, when she was close to crashing despite all the caffeine, she thought she had found something that might be useful.

Lucifer grinned at his prisoner, but she didn’t look afraid. She stared defiantly back at him. This displeased him.
“I don’t think you understand the gravity of the situation. You are the one thing standing between me, and absolute freedom. You know I won’t let you live.”
“Then kill me already. But, if you do, I won’t be able to help you. And you’re going to need my help.” Rowena smiled through the pain she was already in, knowing more was likely to come soon.
Lucifer was intrigued. He couldn’t resist a good double cross.

Just then, Crowley appeared in the throne room, and placed a hand on Rowena’s shoulder. Lucifer didn’t have time to react. Crowley smiled briefly, and they were gone.

Dean sped away from the mental hospital, pushing Baby to the limits of her engine capacity. He had carried Sam’s body to the Impala and placed him in the backseat. He refused to look back at him now, refused to believe that his brother was actually gone. There had to be something he could do - there always was. He’d take him back to the Bunker and figure something out. Or Charlie would. Somehow, he would bring him back.

He almost didn’t see the headlights in time to stop. Baby’s tires squealed as he swerved to the shoulder and slammed on the brakes. The truck stopped a few feet from his bumper. As if he wasn’t having a bad enough day, without Baby almost getting wrecked. His rage carried him out of the car and into the street before he even realized he was moving. He could see the silhouettes of two forms in the truck, but it was too dark to see their faces. The driver’s door opened and a familiar form in a trenchcoat got out.

NO ONE HAS DIED

It is now Night 3. Deadline is 12am EST.

15 players remain.
1. Coopah - Rufus
2. @vetmedhead
3. SnowshoeDog143 - Alpha Shapeshifter
4. @TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo
5. @hygebeorht
6. @SummerTheLynx
7. @PippyPony
8. @SkiOtter
9. cdoconn - Garth
10. @Lupin21 / @dyachei
11. @SARdoghandler
12. @cdoconn (the player formerly known as DVMDream)
13. @PrincessButterCup
14. @Mad Jack
15. Jilary - Sam
16. @StartingoverVet
17. genny - Jo
18. @LetItSnow
19. @Filly Bay
20. @raf2769
21. DocEspana - Alpha Werewolf

 

[PippyPony]

Well there is nothing sketchy at alllll about a lynch avoidance

PBC? Thoughts?

 

[SummerTheLynx]

Night assassin, if you exist, your up

 

[SkiOtter]

(i'm sorry its not a supernatural gif)

 

[WildZoo]

(i'm sorry its not a supernatural gif)

Apology not accepted