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Day 5 - Molotov Everyone with Holy Fire Lynch Tally

No votes
No ties
No waffles
Sad mods 🙁

Lynch deadline...12ish hours (9pm EDT)

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I am at vsec in levittown with my younger IG. Developed exothslmous overnight. Eye pressure is 28. Waiting for emergency appt.

I'll read thread later.

Ps ..no menace response in that eye.
 
OK. So we can't claim roles on thread, but I can sure speculate. WZ is putting a lot of effort into the writeups and I think there is valuable information there.

Known roles (8):

Coopah - Rufus
cdoconn - Garth
PippyPony - Benny
Jilary - Sam
genny - Jo
SnowshoeDog143 - Alpha Shapeshifter
PrincessButterCup - Lucifer
DocEspana - Alpha Werewolf

Unknown players (and claimed abilities as applicable) - (13):

vetmedhead - day vigilante, unchallenged
hygebeorht - one-time night cancel, unchallenged
Mad Jack - knows a role seer?
SkiOtter - tinker, uncorroborated
raf2769 - "make an item" or "research wolves"

TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo
SummerTheLynx
Lupin21 / dyachei
SARdoghandler
cdoconn (the player formerly known as DVMDream)
StartingoverVet
LetItSnow
Filly Bay

Unknown roles mentioned in writeups (12):

- Alpha Vampire
- Dean - had the Colt d1 - mason
- Ellen - implied but not mentioned by name
- Chuck - has visions - also seer?
- Castiel - hmm, see writeups
- Charlie - hacker - seer of some sort?
- Bobby - in the truck with Castiel - would be a decent choice for tinker, or seer - or both? He always helps the Winchesters with what they need
- Jody Mills - NPC?
- Claire
- Gabriel - village-win chaos?
- Rowena - ??? I haven't watched this season but she is Crowley's momma as I recall, so probably not village
- Crowley - wolf-win chaos? Has the colt right now as far as we know

EDIT: edited because I was writing this while flipping back and forth between writeups, and not every draft got saved apparently >:[
 
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hygebeorht said:
Ah yeah I recall we already discussed this. I think the colt is mod-given.
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Oh I don't remember this discussion. I remembered we'd talked about having an item maker make a colt, but I didn't remember us actually talking that Dean had the colt to begin with
 
cdoconn said:
Oh I don't remember this discussion. I remembered we'd talked about having an item maker make a colt, but I didn't remember us actually talking that Dean had the colt to begin with
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Re: colt, it's in a writeup. They tried to shoot a baddie and it didn't take. Then the colt was transferred from Dean to Crowley.

About previous discussion, I was referring to the part where we decided that Sam and Dean were likely just masons with no additional powers, based off Sam's reveal.

Man, I got good info from the writeups just now. I need to pay more attention to them!
 
cdoconn said:
Oh I don't remember this discussion. I remembered we'd talked about having an item maker make a colt, but I didn't remember us actually talking that Dean had the colt to begin with
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Was going to last night, but one of the special bullets would take two days to make, so I changed options.
 
hygebeorht said:
@SummerTheLynx, care to theorize about why Gabriel described you as a grotesque creature, not to be trusted, wants both sides to lose? 2/3 of what Gabriel said in that message has played out.
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Yeah, I am not sure. I am also not sure that the write ups should be trusted in their entirety. There is definitely player influence in there, as a portion is not in Dubz's writing style, (and I would think if bear was making significant contributions to the write up, he may post the write up from time to time). I guess I am not sure what the motives are of the person of the write up.

I will say something though. Dubz asked me about my theories in mod pm yesterday. She usually only does that if there is something going on wonky in the game, and it was out of nowhere. So although I would like it to be as straightforward as there is 1 non-PBC wolf baddie left, and that's all we need to take care of, that comment from Dubz gave me pause. Which is unfortunate, as this game was then heavily weighted against villagers (<3:1 ratio, with low number of villager powers/high # of vanillas)
 
Lupin21 said:
That doesn't necessarily mean anything because there were still people who hadn't voted and the wolves wouldn't know a day vig existed.
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Maybe so, but even with the runaway bandwagon, there was no guarantee the last 4-5 people to vote would pile onto DocE. Would be riskier voting that late.
 
SummerTheLynx said:
Yeah, I am not sure. I am also not sure that the write ups should be trusted in their entirety. There is definitely player influence in there, as a portion is not in Dubz's writing style, (and I would think if bear was making significant contributions to the write up, he may post the write up from time to time). I guess I am not sure what the motives are of the person of the write up.

I will say something though. Dubz asked me about my theories in mod pm yesterday. She usually only does that if there is something going on wonky in the game, and it was out of nowhere. So although I would like it to be as straightforward as there is 1 non-PBC wolf baddie left, and that's all we need to take care of, that comment from Dubz gave me pause. Which is unfortunate, as this game was then heavily weighted against villagers (<3:1 ratio, with low number of villager powers/high # of vanillas)
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Yes. I doubt there is only 1 non-PBC baddie remaining. I strongly suspect at least one conversion already. The Alphas make monsters; that's what they do.

I suspect that killing Lucifer is the village win condition. Does village ever have a win condition that they don't have to kill all wolves? Anyway, I'm intrigued by so many neutrals. Not sure what to make of it all TBH.
 
hygebeorht said:
Maybe so, but even with the runaway bandwagon, there was no guarantee the last 4-5 people to vote would pile onto DocE. Would be riskier voting that late.
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No, usually the end time is finite. There would have been plenty of time to switch off if it looked like no one else was voting. As it was, genny got on only moment later. It is not a good enough reason to lower her as a suspect.
 
SummerTheLynx said:
I can 100% verify jailer blocked PBC outside of write up. Converter is dead. So please explain the lack of killing.
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Not what I meant by WIFOM in this context. My idea is somewhat irrelevant now because of Fern's claim that she was attacked. But what I meant was PBC plus the extra wolf could have thought that the blocker knew to block PBC which meant the wolves would likely use the other wolf to kill, but then maybe the blocker would know THAT and block someone else, knowing that PBC wouldn't kill and so then the wolves decide to actually have PBC attempt the kill thinking the blocker wouldn't actually go for the wolf... Hence WIFOM. My thoughts were a bit scattered last night.
 
Lupin21 said:
No, usually the end time is finite. There would have been plenty of time to switch off if it looked like no one else was voting. As it was, genny got on only moment later. It is not a good enough reason to lower her as a suspect.
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Plus, she was on cdo with Doc and that could be the attempt to prevent snowy from being lynched.
 
hygebeorht said:
Yes. I doubt there is only 1 non-PBC baddie remaining. I strongly suspect at least one conversion already. The Alphas make monsters; that's what they do.

I suspect that killing Lucifer is the village win condition. Does village ever have a win condition that they don't have to kill all wolves? Anyway, I'm intrigued by so many neutrals. Not sure what to make of it all TBH.
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I am going to strongly disagree with the first assessment. That would mean that we started this game with the possibility of 6 wolves in a 21 player game. A 1:2.5 ratio. Dubz would never in a million years let that happen. Especially with how the game is set up, from what we have seen thus far. We are going into the land of a super long shot for villagers, and me and Dubz gave very similar advice to pippy in her speed game on how to balance number of players. I strongly believe the conversion died with DocE, he is of the camp that it should be used later in the game. Unless wolves have some weird other mechanism to get around and get a conversion. Which tbh, is why I am worried about ski. I can see Dubz allowing an item maker to make a conversion item if the conversion got lost to balance it back out. Which is why I want to target her, especially with Raf's role coming to light.

Lucifer probably is the village win condition, but not for the reasons you are thinking. Likely, she is a TRUE alpha wolf, which means all other wolves must be dead before she can be killed. At max, I think we are at 1 neutral, 1 chaos, doing more than that would be cumbersome (she told me after we did a game together that included a fair amount of non-wolf, non-villagers that this would not be happening again IIRC)
 
Lupin21 said:
No, usually the end time is finite. There would have been plenty of time to switch off if it looked like no one else was voting. As it was, genny got on only moment later. It is not a good enough reason to lower her as a suspect.
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True, but the language said "last person who voted for them," which I interpret literally. Like, if you're the last vote, then you switch off, you're still technically the last person who voted for them.

On another note: while I want to believe that STL is village (and he is strongly and subtly hinting that he is), he is totally capable of chaos-ing or wolf-ing on such a high level. I want to test Gabriel's intel, and playing with STL has taught me to never trust him no matter what. He always has something bubbling away on the back burner.

Lynch STL. If STL flips village, then we will know definitively that Gabriel's info can't be taken at face value. If STL is chaos or wolf, then hooray.
 
SummerTheLynx said:
I am going to strongly disagree with the first assessment. That would mean that we started this game with the possibility of 6 wolves in a 21 player game. A 1:2.5 ratio. Dubz would never in a million years let that happen. Especially with how the game is set up, from what we have seen thus far. We are going into the land of a super long shot for villagers, and me and Dubz gave very similar advice to pippy in her speed game on how to balance number of players. I strongly believe the conversion died with DocE, he is of the camp that it should be used later in the game. Unless wolves have some weird other mechanism to get around and get a conversion. Which tbh, is why I am worried about ski. I can see Dubz allowing an item maker to make a conversion item if the conversion got lost to balance it back out. Which is why I want to target her, especially with Raf's role coming to light.

Lucifer probably is the village win condition, but not for the reasons you are thinking. Likely, she is a TRUE alpha wolf, which means all other wolves must be dead before she can be killed. At max, I think we are at 1 neutral, 1 chaos, doing more than that would be cumbersome (she told me after we did a game together that included a fair amount of non-wolf, non-villagers that this would not be happening again IIRC)
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So your argument is Gabriel is ****ing with us.
 
hygebeorht said:
So your argument is Gabriel is ****ing with us.
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A true neutral will not go strictly village or strictly wolf. They will allow the ebb and flow of the game. Some mods make it so they have to do so, by putting certain restrictions on what they can do, rules to win the game, etc. Other times, the neutral will do it on their own, especially if they can't die or have a very difficult time dying.

I may be completely misinterpreting, but I think based off of convos that SoV is gabriel. And if I was actually chaos/neutral/wolf, I am not sure why I wouldn't be called out on the thread over that. Unless it's just using the write ups to mess with things (but honestly, I am getting more of a lupes feel by the use of the word grotesque)

What exactly were the first two predictions of Gabriel again? I thought Gabriel had portrayed DocE as a good guy in the write up?
 
SummerTheLynx said:
A true neutral will not go strictly village or strictly wolf. They will allow the ebb and flow of the game. Some mods make it so they have to do so, by putting certain restrictions on what they can do, rules to win the game, etc. Other times, the neutral will do it on their own, especially if they can't die or have a very difficult time dying.

I may be completely misinterpreting, but I think based off of convos that SoV is gabriel. And if I was actually chaos/neutral/wolf, I am not sure why I wouldn't be called out on the thread over that. Unless it's just using the write ups to mess with things (but honestly, I am getting more of a lupes feel by the use of the word grotesque)

What exactly were the first two predictions of Gabriel again? I thought Gabriel had portrayed DocE as a good guy in the write up?
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There is a lovely table of contents as teh second post in the thread. Feel free to go back and read for clarity. haha
 
Jody walked up to one of the less bizarre looking 'people' and casually asked, "what's going on?" The 'man' turned to her and said, "oh just the usual fight between good and evil". "oh" the Marshall replied, and then asked "who's winning?" "Good question, hard to say right now, that guy over there, DocE, he seems to have something up his sleeve, I would be careful around him, but that fine lady over there, PrincessButterCup, she is one powerful creature, I wouldn't bet against her!". "what about him?" Jody asked, pointing at the most grotesque creature she had ever seen. "Ah, he wants to kill both sides. Don't trust that STL character at all!.
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So if DocE was bad, and PBC is bad, where is the "Good" in the fight between good and evil?
 
Day 5 - Molotov Everyone with Holy Fire Lynch Tally

Filly (1) - SAR
STL (1) - Hyge
Pippy (1) - PBC

3/14 votes
Ties: 3
No waffles

Lynch deadline...9.5 hours (9pm EST)

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hygebeorht said:
So your argument is Gabriel is ****ing with us.
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But didn't Gabriel love doing this on the show? I mean yes, he usually had lessons to go along with it, but don't forget the high level of ****ery Gabriel got up to basically just for shiggles as well. I wouldn't be surprised if including some misleading information alongside solid information just to **** with us was either a condition of the role or just how the player chose to play the role.
 
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PS - I've never seen a single episode of the show.
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