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Coopah said:
Meh, he could be doing his own ****. We know wolves don't always check in before doing stupid ****. Besides his logic is crap, you must know this. Why else wouldn't a villager self prez?
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Idk it's kinda reminding me of a toned down version of what he did in GGoats but you weren't there for that
 
Day 2 Yeet Tally
Coop (1) - Zenge
dubz (3) - Dina, cubs, alley
Vis (2) - sunshine, dubz
Dina () -
sunshine () -
cubs (1) - Chaos
Zenge (4) - Vis, shorty, please, Coop

11/11
Zenge is in the lead!
yeet close in ~38 minutes
 
alleycat03 said:
supershorty- Village lean. Her recent posts feel very village. I have a hard time believing she would willingly pick a scum role. She loves vanilla villager so I could see her picking a PR or vanilla townie but I definitely have a hard time imagining that she would pick a scum role (especially since she discarded a village role, so she could have been village affiliation with the discard).

Crayola227- neutral. Liked our earlier discussion and her thread contributions.

vetschoolsletmeinplease- neutral, slight village lean. So far, sounds like her village tone. Haven’t seen a whole lot from her but she is another person who I would be SHOCKED if she willingly chose to be (edit: scum/NOT) village.

Viscernable- neutral. She was very analytical with the discards earlier, and I followed her logic there. Also, when she and chaos kind of got into a disagreement, her tone sounded genuine. I think she’s a very strong wolf and I could see her picking a scum affiliation.

sunshinefl- MIA

WildZoo- neutral. I think she would pick 3P if she had a choice, and she’s so good at wolfing that she’d actually be a great scum choice. Haven’t noticed a lot from her tone wise, but she sounds identical to me when she’s wolfing and when she’s village.

Stagg737- wolf-lean. The whole “I forgot to pick” and not understanding the role selection seemed legit, but I agree with shorty that he had plenty of opportunities to ask for clarification. I fully admit that I suck at reading him, so I’m probably biased because I always think he’s sketchy.

Zenge142- Neutral, slight village lean. He sounds village so far, but his early defense of me from the salt votes felt kind of like pocketing. He’s a terrifying wolf player, but right now I do like his contributions and he seems pro-village.

Dinashadow- Neutral. I need to see more, but I find myself nodding along with her posts and agreeing with her logic. Thought her Cubs vote makes sense.

Coopah- neutral, leaning wolf. Her frustration seems genuine, so maybe she truly didn’t pick her role. As far as I know I’ve never played with her before. She’s on the same level as Stagg right now when it comes to me not fully understanding what/why she was so confused.

WonderingStudent- wolf-lean. I get sketchy vibes from her. At first I appreciated the analysis she gave of the discards, but it seems like she is being purposely confusing and I get why Dubz and shorty have said she’s sus.

Chaostrodon- neutral, village-leaning. If he’s scum, he’s an incredibly bold scum considering he claimed an affiliation role that only 1 person could have. Maybe he’s a wolf/mafia vig or something (and he used the vig for ability and not for affiliation) but that also seems way too bold/risky.

cubsrule4e- neutral. my judgement is semi-clouded right now because of his saltiness directed towards me, but I think he has more of a village tone. He seems more upbeat and playful? Like as opposed to the serious vibes I got from him during Madagascar.
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i like this reads list even though it's mostly neutrals. nothing is striking me as having reads from TMI of being a scum faction (but ofc that is harder to see in multiball) but as far as how she explains her current thoughts on people it aligns with what im used to seeing from village alley
alleycat03 said:
The entire conversation about “scum!Dubz wouldn’t do this.”

Specifically the “scum!Dubz would have a reads list” because I literally said that as a wolf several games ago when I was defending my lack of reads. I legit said “I’m village and I don’t have a reads list because I’m struggling to identify the wolves and everyone seems village”
So I immediately become suspicious when somebody says that because it’s exactly what I said when I was wolfing.
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how shes interacting with people, and openly talking about/drawing attention to her own habits when non-village
alleycat03 said:
I’m sorry, did you want me to wait to vote for you until after you’re done driving? I’m voting for the person I feel is the scummiest.
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and then this level of sass combined with feeling joking and villagingly casual on the thread. she's half getting a pass bc she's been having fun this weekend, and she'll slide down the gradient if she doesn't make more contributions in the next couple of days, but i like what i see when taking her business/drinkiness into consideration so far


sunshinefl said:
Where?
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ew the quote thing did them backwards
so look above lol
 
Viscernable said:
Wait really? I must be really misremembering basics
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My recollection of Basics is that he and I were voting together on wolf!genny on D1, and then I hopped off to go on sloth because I generally make bad choices D1, and we voted separately on D2 also (but neither of us on wolves, oops), and then he died.

I at least never wolf read him enough to vote there. I can go look at the game if we're really curious.
 
Zenge142 said:
You’re officially in my scum reads. So many alarm bells from this.
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You're 100% wrong about me being scum but okay.

I've wolfed games where I didn't self-prez so my stronger teammate could live when we're both on the board. It's a valid concern. There's no reason for you to not self-prez if you're village
 
Zenge just like ... giving up is giving me a really weird feeling. Dubz mentioned GGoats and I'm thinking of that.

Although in GGoats, as I recall, he role revealed kind of crazy early and THEN was like "it's in your hands now, village," which isn't really what's happened here. But I see the similar vibe and I don't know how I feel about it.
 
sunshinefl said:
That’s correct. I really don’t have strong feelings yet. Could be apathy due to residency fatigue, or could be because of the multiple factions makes it harder.

But here is my ranked list:
5. @sunshinefl TOWN!!!!!

3. @vetschoolsletmeinplease okay

1. @supershorty okay

Overreacting to zenge

10. @Dinashadow okay

14. @cubsrule4e okay

13. @Chaostrodon okay

6. @alleycat03 concerned

7. @WildZoo concerned

11. @Coopah odd

9. @Zenge142 concerned

4. @Viscernable sus
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Thanks for the clarification. Why did Z go from sus to concerned?
 
Zenge142 said:
I feel good about my read. If I’m right, and I self prez, then we lose a villager, and tomorrow village continues its tunnel on me and wastes the cycle voting me out. Even if I’m wrong, because it’s multiball, and we could be different factions I suspect village will still vote me out tomorrow.

I think a Zenge yeet over my self prez is probably a better move for village so they can get out of this tunnel and get back to scum hunting.
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Hm, the refusal to self-pres pinged me but I could see this reasoning coming from a genuine village place
 
supershorty said:
Zenge just like ... giving up is giving me a really weird feeling. Dubz mentioned GGoats and I'm thinking of that.

Although in GGoats, as I recall, he role revealed kind of crazy early and THEN was like "it's in your hands now, village," which isn't really what's happened here. But I see the similar vibe and I don't know how I feel about it.
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Yeah idk what's going on, but I feel like his play this game isn't what I've seen from wolf or village zenge
 
supershorty said:
Zenge just like ... giving up is giving me a really weird feeling. Dubz mentioned GGoats and I'm thinking of that.

Although in GGoats, as I recall, he role revealed kind of crazy early and THEN was like "it's in your hands now, village," which isn't really what's happened here. But I see the similar vibe and I don't know how I feel about it.
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I dont see it as giving up so much as it feels like he's less defending now and more lightly trolling by giving out sus cards to everyone voting him.
 
Dinashadow said:
There's no reason for you to not self-prez if you're village
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It’s too late to self prez. At best I could make a tie. Which means it was never a real option anyway. Self prezzing needs to happen closer to close.

If it was a possibility, which it never really was, then the game state for the next 36 hour cycle would be a continuation of my push. I don’t see that producing a good game state for village. It would monopolize the thread, and ultimately lead to another misyeet. Maybe if I flip village people will trust my village reads and village can re analyze the game state.
 
WildZoo said:
Idk it's kinda reminding me of a toned down version of what he did in GGoats but you weren't there for that
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I was thinking that too... it’s making me second guess him.
Viscernable said:
Is odd townier or scummier than concerned? Or does it mean “not sure what to make of this, neutral/mixed”? What about sus?
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Odd isn’t necessarily better or worse, it’s like bad but maybe ulterior motives, like 3P stuff.

sus is worse than concerned, but less than “wolf/mafia”
 
Zenge142 said:
It’s too late to self prez. At best I could make a tie. Which means it was never a real option anyway. Self prezzing needs to happen closer to close.

If it was a possibility, which it never really was, then the game state for the next 36 hour cycle would be a continuation of my push. I don’t see that producing a good game state for village. It would monopolize the thread, and ultimately lead to another misyeet. Maybe if I flip village people will trust my village reads and village can re analyze the game state.
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This just sounds so defeatist and it's freaking me out.

But also, @Zenge142, it's not too late. We're not really known for static vote closes around here.
 
WildZoo said:
Well now I'm having a hard time because I know I'm village so I know zenge would have no reason not to self prez onto me except for the reason he's giving, and that makes me want to not self prez onto him because it means he's probably village. Even though I will if I have to. But it makes me sad.
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Do you think it’s possible that he feels he’s backed himself into a corner with townreading you and he would just be yeeted tomorrow if he self-prezzes onto you, and thinks he has a better chance hoping the votes don’t swing towards him without him self-prezzing?
 
Viscernable said:
Thanks for the clarification. Why did Z go from sus to concerned?
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Well because as I said, because shorty seemed to be exaggerating everything zenge said. Like I was watching as a third party the twisting.

And if zenge really is village I’m going to move shorty down.
 
Viscernable said:
Do you think it’s possible that he feels he’s backed himself into a corner with townreading you and he would just be yeeted tomorrow if he self-prezzes onto you, and thinks he has a better chance hoping the votes don’t swing towards him without him self-prezzing?
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I...honestly don't know. It hadn't occured to me. Felt more like he was just ok with dying to get it over with.
 
Viscernable said:
I haven’t gotten vibes I usually do from village Z, I agree with shorty that he’s stretched people’s words, and his interactions about cubs really bother me (see my previous posts today). I’m also up for a Coops or cubs flip but I think overall I feel worst about Z.

unvote Coop
Vote Z
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This vote explanation I liked. Literally it feels like Zenge is trying to dig himself out of a hole, but instead he just keeps digger down further and he seems scummier as time goes on.
supershorty said:
what wording was bothering you?
same question as I asked Dubz right above this.
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supershorty said:
@alleycat03, what seemed off about Dina's reads list to you? You mentioned it twice, but never elaborated.
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I guess it’s more the phrasing and commentary that made me squint a bit. Usually Dina seems like a very wise player and provides insights that I haven’t thought of. Also, that second post was me pointing out that I’ve felt semi-good about Dina so far and the reads post was the only thing that pinged me. She’s still a slight village lean for me.
Coopah said:
Oh are we doing zenge now? I could do that. I won't change now but I'll vote him over having dubz yeeted because I'm reading him scum and dubz village
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Gross, this sounds way too opportunistic, and almost seems like you’re trying to protect a teammate.
Zenge142 said:
Always have my doubts until they flip. The same reason you’re moving her into neutrals are the same reasons I have my doubts. I just haven’t seen enough to move her out of my scum reads.
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This is so twisty and I hate it
Zenge142 said:
@Dinashadow @alleycat03

Can you lay out your reasoning and a case for voting for Dubz here because, I just don’t see it.
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I’ve liked her contributions more today. I feel like it’s genuine village frustration and her defense posts have made sense. I’m okay backing off for now, because I do think she would be crafting the narrative a bit more. When she wolfed (emojis?) at one point on YOLO, I legit said “well if Dubz is a wolf she deserves the win because of the sheer effort she’s put in to wolf-hunting” and sure enough she was wolfing. I haven’t felt that same sort of bamboozle in this game, I’ve mostly just disagreed with her (ie the “scum!dubz wouldn’t do this”) disagreement.
Viscernable said:
Which killing faction has been wiped out, exactly? Do you think there was just a condemner and exactly one other scum faction?
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Well since there were 2 kills last night, I think we’re dealing with *at least* two scum factions with kill power.
WildZoo said:
I bet AM has been resisting the strong urge to angry react all of alley's drunk posts
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Sorry AM, I’m back to “WW is serious business” now :laugh:
 
Coopah said:
She voted for me for a clearly joking post and said I seemed tense. Plus the other stuff but for some reason she seemed really fixated on that.
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FTR that point was a very minor reason compared to the fishing and trolling, it’s not even factoring into my read anymore because Dubz has said you’re not a nervous wolf, and I’ve already said that so I feel weird about you trying to represent it as the main reason I suspect you. If I seemed really fixated on it it’s because you and Dubz were asking me to defend why I initially felt that way over and over.
 
After catching up, I’m feeling way worse about Zenge and a little bit better about dubz. I think I need to revisit her after an ISO, but I don’t have time for that before yeet close

Unyeet dubz
Yeet Zenge
 
Day 2 Yeet Tally
Coop (1) - Zenge
dubz (2) - Dina, cubs
Vis (2) - sunshine, dubz
Dina () -
sunshine () -
cubs (1) - Chaos
Zenge (4) - Vis, please, Coop, alley

10/11
Missing: shorty
Zenge is in the lead!
yeet close in ~16 minutes
 
Animal Midwife said:
I'm admittedly very tired today for some reason.
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Because you’ve been skipping your daily walks.
alleycat03 said:
This vote explanation I liked. Literally it feels like Zenge is trying to dig himself out of a hole, but instead he just keeps digger down further and he seems scummier as time goes on.


I guess it’s more the phrasing and commentary that made me squint a bit. Usually Dina seems like a very wise player and provides insights that I haven’t thought of. Also, that second post was me pointing out that I’ve felt semi-good about Dina so far and the reads post was the only thing that pinged me. She’s still a slight village lean for me.

Gross, this sounds way too opportunistic, and almost seems like you’re trying to protect a teammate.

This is so twisty and I hate it

I’ve liked her contributions more today. I feel like it’s genuine village frustration and her defense posts have made sense. I’m okay backing off for now, because I do think she would be crafting the narrative a bit more. When she wolfed (emojis?) at one point on YOLO, I legit said “well if Dubz is a wolf she deserves the win because of the sheer effort she’s put in to wolf-hunting” and sure enough she was wolfing. I haven’t felt that same sort of bamboozle in this game, I’ve mostly just disagreed with her (ie the “scum!dubz wouldn’t do this”) disagreement.

Well since there were 2 kills last night, I think we’re dealing with *at least* two scum factions with kill power.

Sorry AM, I’m back to “WW is serious business” now :laugh:
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This is not village alley. I really don’t see that. This only made me feel worse about her.
 
vetschoolsletmeinplease said:
i like this reads list even though it's mostly neutrals. nothing is striking me as having reads from TMI of being a scum faction (but ofc that is harder to see in multiball) but as far as how she explains her current thoughts on people it aligns with what im used to seeing from village alley

how shes interacting with people, and openly talking about/drawing attention to her own habits when non-village

and then this level of sass combined with feeling joking and villagingly casual on the thread. she's half getting a pass bc she's been having fun this weekend, and she'll slide down the gradient if she doesn't make more contributions in the next couple of days, but i like what i see when taking her business/drinkiness into consideration so far



ew the quote thing did them backwards
so look above lol
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Reminder to myself to look more at this later when I’m not focused on deciding between voting Coop/Z before deadline
 
I'm straight up panicking right now and don't know where to go, but Zenge's fatalism doesn't feel like scum!Zenge going down (without being mechanically outted, because he did kind of go down without a fight in Bioshock but it was after Dina role revealed as the seer).
 
alleycat03 said:
This vote explanation I liked. Literally it feels like Zenge is trying to dig himself out of a hole, but instead he just keeps digger down further and he seems scummier as time goes on.
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Ok but see, this is the other thing that's giving me pause. Zenge wolfs better than this. Zenge also villages better than this. So I feel totally freaking lost right now.
 
supershorty said:
@Viscernable I just went back and I was village reading him in Basics before he died. Even called him "one of my strongest village reads."

I did correctly wolf read him in Bioshock, but in WWizards, I was village leaning him before he killed me.
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Aha, thank you shorty. You inherited all of AM’s ww memory.
 
supershorty said:
I'm straight up panicking right now and don't know where to go, but Zenge's fatalism doesn't feel like scum!Zenge going down (without being mechanically outted, because he did kind of go down without a fight in Bioshock but it was after Dina role revealed as the seer).
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I don't think I've ever seen scum!zenge going down outside of Bioshock. What does he usually do?
 
Dinashadow said:
I don't think I've ever seen scum!zenge going down outside of Bioshock. What does he usually do?
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..... actually, I'm not sure scum!Zenge has been yeeted outside of Bioshock, now that I'm thinking about it.
 
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