CHOOSE YOUR OWWN II - Game Thread

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Always have my doubts until they flip. The same reason you’re moving her into neutrals are the same reasons I have my doubts. I just haven’t seen enough to move her out of my scum reads.
Wow, I really want to give you the benefit of the doubt with the rest of this post, but this sentence feels so hedgy, it hurts.

Oof, Zenges. Oof.
Weirdly, shorty seems to be overreacting to zenge which is making me feel slightly worse about shorty and slightly better about zenge. But then again there are multiple factions so maybe I should just feel worse about shorty
 
Weirdly, shorty seems to be overreacting to zenge which is making me feel slightly worse about shorty and slightly better about zenge. But then again there are multiple factions so maybe I should just feel worse about shorty
No one else is really around to talk to. Zenge keeps replying.
He's being sketchier than normal, IMO.

I also haven't really gotten to PLAY in a while because I've either subbed out, sat out, or died super early and I'm excited. :shrug:
 
Day 2 Yeet Tally
Coop (1) - Zenge
dubz (3) - Dina, cubs, alley
Vis (2) - sunshine, dubz
Dina () -
sunshine (1) - Coop
cubs (1) - Chaos
Zenge (3) - Vis, shorty, please

11/11
@WildZoo and @Zenge142 are in the lead!
yeet close in ~2 hours
 
@Dinashadow @alleycat03

Can you lay out your reasoning and a case for voting for Dubz here because, I just don’t see it.
 
@Dinashadow @alleycat03

Can you lay out your reasoning and a case for voting for Dubz here because, I just don’t see it.
I'm curious, will you vote dubz for self preservation? Who will you push instead? Because you're on me, and for some unknown reason ppl don't wanna vote me today. So where will you go? You have sunshine village yes? Why?
 
I'm curious, will you vote dubz for self preservation? Who will you push instead? Because you're on me, and for some unknown reason ppl don't wanna vote me today. So where will you go? You have sunshine village yes? Why?
I’m not going to vote Dubz, I thinks she’s village and I don’t see the point in what I think would be trading one villager for another.

I have Sunny as neutral. There’s not a lot of content there to analyze overall, but what she has posted hasn’t struck me as wolfy, so slight village leaning, but still neutral.
 
@Dinashadow @alleycat03

Can you lay out your reasoning and a case for voting for Dubz here because, I just don’t see it.

She was giving me feels on D1. Just seemed like she wasn't really wolf hunting. I agree with a lot of the points shorty made

I don't agree with her reads list. I think her village read on you is strange. I feel like her wolf hunting has improved since D1 when she was giving me the most feels, but idk how much of that comes from having votes on her.

Me being in her scum reads is NAI because she's historically terrible at reading me, but I'm bringing it up because SALT
 
I’m not going to vote Dubz, I thinks she’s village and I don’t see the point in what I think would be trading one villager for another.

I have Sunny as neutral. There’s not a lot of content there to analyze overall, but what she has posted hasn’t struck me as wolfy, so slight village leaning, but still neutral.

So you're more sure dubz is village than you're sure you're village that you're not going to self-prez on her? :eyebrow:

Or is it that she's got the better scum role compared to you?
 
LOL was that subtle shade?

But here you go


Roster

1. @supershorty okay

Overreacting to zenge

3. @vetschoolsletmeinplease okay

4. @Viscernable concerned

5. @sunshinefl TOWN!!!!!

6. @alleycat03 concerned

7. @WildZoo concerned

9. @Zenge142 sus

10. @Dinashadow okay

11. @Coopah odd

13. @Chaostrodon okay

14. @cubsrule4e okay
I noticed that alley has gone from nothing on your last list to concerned today, what pinged you there?

And what's making you feel okay about Chaos?
 
No, I just know you're super busy with residency stuff.
I was referring to you calling it a “feels list” instead of a reads list.

and I was off today. Did a 4 hour river float with some coresidents. Now I’m laying in bed with the worst sunburn on my thighs when I really want ice cream from downtown 🙁
 
I noticed that alley has gone from nothing on your last list to concerned today, what pinged you there?
Concerned is very slightly scum side of neutral. She just largely hasn’t done anything villagey.
And what's making you feel okay about Chaos?
And.... Okay is like very slightly town side of neutral for me. He started out kinda involved but then hasn’t done much.
 
LOL was that subtle shade?

But here you go


Roster

1. @supershorty okay

Overreacting to zenge

3. @vetschoolsletmeinplease okay

4. @Viscernable concerned

5. @sunshinefl TOWN!!!!!

6. @alleycat03 concerned

7. @WildZoo concerned

9. @Zenge142 sus

10. @Dinashadow okay

11. @Coopah odd

13. @Chaostrodon okay

14. @cubsrule4e okay
Concerned is very slightly scum side of neutral. She just largely hasn’t done anything villagey.

And.... Okay is like very slightly town side of neutral for me. He started out kinda involved but then hasn’t done much.
so then is nearly everyone only in very slight leans still?
is there any way you can further rank them?
 
I didn’t remember any of the chaos/LIS interaction because it was mostly after I was dead and I didn’t even read all of bioshock while I was alive let alone after. Shorty’s link inspired me to go back and look for the relevant posts and yeah, I see the same thing happening with chaos tunneling someone for something the person feels they have explained and that he is misrepresenting, while chaos feels they have not adequately explained, and other people seem pretty confused about the whole thing.

Looks like Im not gonna convince anyone abt LIS anytime soon , Id rather

vote AM

than a lynch that gives 0 info and looks like a easy push from scum

yes , exactly what I thought

unvote alley , vote Cray

Also hm.

Disingenous. For not including the part where I try unsuccessfully to switch it back to alley


You mean after the deadline?

I'm not giving credit for votes after the deadline.

And you shouldn't try to claim credit for a vote after the deadline.

That wasnt after the deadline , that was exactly at deadline that wasnt taken into account because according to someone's rules a vote at exactly the deadline isnt taken into account. You cant possibly claim I had put my vote at that time on purpose coz I didnt want it to be unaccounted

I'm adding Barks and LIS to my bloc for being on the original alley yeet D3.

Cant believe you tr for this but not mayo

(1) I would expect Cyndia to probs not put an actual wolf on her wolf list. I don't recall her being a hard-busser like some jerk named LIS.

(2) I would expect her to "look closely" at another wolf, though, which makes me worry about Chaos. Less so Cray.

Might be time to vote Chaos to settle the question.

Wut?

You think the fact that a flipped scum mentioned me in passing to someone else in their PMs is in any way alignment indicative? Not based on her interactions , pushes etc but simply from a readlist that looks pretty reflective of the general list around here? Most other players here had the same opinion of me

I am sorry , but I dont think this post had genuine intentions behind it , LIS is most definitely acting in bad faith here

Also , putting your teammate in your wolf list isnt "hard-bussing" by any means . Hard bussing is when you aggressively push for a lynch or atleast vote your teammate . You shouldnt be clearing people based on this alone and you should be knowing that

Do you think LIS argument for me made sense? That Im scummy because Cyndia said she was looking at me or whatever in someone's PMs

Or that he townreads the people she had in her readlist because she is not a hard-busser. when she literally bussed the day before? Sounds pretty manufactured to me

Btw , I think Trilt is town

You're doing it again. You're trying to frame my vote as ENTIRELY based around that one statement, when I've said clearly it's not.

Your insistence on that is sketchy in and of itself.

I don't agree with any argument against you because I've said you were very for several days now.

Maybe, but that literally has no impact on my POE if so. Even samac would have been a very soft and understandable bus given kata's behavior. Just the same, alley was almost a required bus.

Im not asking if you agree , Im asking if it makes sense to you.

Do you think town would infer what he claims to have inferred from that info available? I dont think so

It makes sense from a perspective where he's worried why you keep tunneling on him, I suppose. Wolves are likely in a tight box so have to fight consensus POE if they want to have any chance at winning.

Yes. I've seen many make claims like that as villagers. One of my favorite memories is a villager hard defending a wolf (and voting on counters) that was on the board for the last few cycles because they didn't think the wolf would be busy as a wolf.

His reason for me being scummy was not that I was tunneling him , He thinks Im scummy bc Cyndia didnt wolfread me in PMs. Do you think its reasonable to infer that ? Do you think town!LIS would genuinely think Cyndia saying she was keeping an eye on me is AI?

Do you think town!LIS would townread/townlean the people in her wolf reads list coz she is not a "hard busser" when she literally bussed the day before?

Even though I have already refuted your assertion ("He thinks Im scummy bc Cyndia didnt wolfread me in PMs") by pointing out that it is incomplete, you CONTINUE to assert it as if it is true that my entire vote for you is based on that.

At this point you're just intentionally misrepresenting what I said (since I have already clarified it for you), which is scummy as all hell.

I am not protesting being thought of as scummy for tunneling or late voting . I am bothered by the fact that LIS thinks Cyndias saying she would be keeping an eye on me as opposed to having me in her wolf reads is AI in any way


She didnt aggressively push the people in her reads or even vote for them , Thats technically not even a bus.

I am arguing the fact that you think Cyndias thoughts on me are AI in any way , you are the one misrepresenting me

Those were two seperate statements , nothing to do with each other






ok , so first off all , having someone in your wolfreads HARDLY counts as bussing . She wasnt pushing the people in her wolfreads or even voting for them. There was barely any impact of having those people in her wolfreads so I dont see how thats alignment indicative of those people in any way

LIS seemingly thinks otherwise , He said "I wouldnt expect her to put wolf in her wolfreads" which not only doesnt make any sense to me in general , also sounds made up bc of the fact that SHE VOTED FOR A WOLF THE PREVIOUS DAY , I dont get why someone who has no qualms about voting for her teammate would for some reason avoid putting her teammates in her wolfreads in someone else's PMs. HER VOTE FOR ALLEY HAD A LOT MORE IMPACT THAN PUTTING SOMEONE IN HER WOLFREADS.

Secondly , he said that bc she said she was gonna have a closer look at me , he was "worried". How is Cyndia saying that alignment indicative in any way?
Cyndia doesnt bus(which would be false , if he had bothered to check the votes) , so we should be worried about the people in her neutral???
Cyndia saying that about me was simply reflective of the general perception of me in here , most people have me in their neutrals so as a wolf faking a readlist it very obviously makes sense that she would put me in her readlist.

The fact that he concluded that the people in her wolfreads are towny and that I am scummy for appearing in her neutrals based on a half-baked argument that Cyndia doesnt bus is WORRYING . If he isnt being dishonest , he is trying to make evidence fit to his reads which is like , a very noob mistake






Didnt you think so when you said her tone sounds towny? Didnt inconsistent reads and lowposting bother you then?

Here is the post in question



Here is the "twisted misintrepretation" Ive made of it , just in case anyone wanted to look through

I hate my own waffling. I was hot on kata early in game. The samac swayed me with PMs. But retrospectively, it's not so much she moved herself 'villager' in her PMs as much as she moved herself neutral.

I woudn't be heartbroken with a samac lynch. It answers the question, like any of us.

I don't think I can be very objective on Chaos. Chaos frustrated me to death by insisting on misconstruing (or really, over-emphasizing one piece) what I said. Makes me grumbly and want to lynch. But that's a pretty craptastic reason to lynch someone, other than the obvious question of whether it was intentional shade-throwing.

Misconstruing and over-emphasizing are two different things , You are once again trying to minimizing what I said by positing the two as vaguely synonymous

I never misconstrued what you sad. Over- emphasized yeah , because that post deserved to be over-emphasized in my opinion. It was such a pile of hot bs that I dont think could have come from a good town player without malicious intentions




It was mostly LIS taking offence to me calling him out and the people that sheeped him , I still stand by what I said tho its obvious I wouldnt be able to convince anyone else here in a million years

Final scum is probably in LIS , cray or Lawpy ( without taking what Lupin told me about Lawpy's pmeta into account)

Samac was one of my stronger scumreads but I think what Trilt said about her had some merit to it

Lupin , shorty and Trilt imo are most probably town

Why Cray vs LIS?

Bc no one else is gonna even bother understanding why I have an issue with LIS .

Can you give me a tl;dr on your LiS read?

I have him as neutral currently.
 
i mean i saw it as valid criticism, why do you have a problem w it?
i thought self prezzing was overall a very provillage thing bc you can only be 100% sure that you are village, no one else
She just made an entire post about how her case for Dubz being scum was basically based on D1 not being as active, and how she doesn’t really have a D2 case.

Now she’s saying I’m scum same faction as Dubz and trying to protect a valuable scum PR by not self prezzing.

I don’t think it behooves me to self prez onto someone I’m village reading because if I’m right then I’ve helped yeet a villager to save myself and tomorrow village reads it as scum self prezzing onto a villager and pushes me again tomorrow anyway. How is that good for village?
 
I’m not going to vote Dubz, I thinks she’s village and I don’t see the point in what I think would be trading one villager for another.

I have Sunny as neutral. There’s not a lot of content there to analyze overall, but what she has posted hasn’t struck me as wolfy, so slight village leaning, but still neutral.
Interesting, you don't know she's village though. The common logic is I KNOW I'm village and I THINK she is but I don't know, so I'm preserving the known villager... You guys on a team together?
 
so then is nearly everyone only in very slight leans still?
is there any way you can further rank them?
That’s correct. I really don’t have strong feelings yet. Could be apathy due to residency fatigue, or could be because of the multiple factions makes it harder.

But here is my ranked list:
5. @sunshinefl TOWN!!!!!

3. @vetschoolsletmeinplease okay

1. @supershorty okay

Overreacting to zenge

10. @Dinashadow okay

14. @cubsrule4e okay

13. @Chaostrodon okay

6. @alleycat03 concerned

7. @WildZoo concerned

11. @Coopah odd

9. @Zenge142 concerned

4. @Viscernable sus
 
Theres a difference between saying “let’s vote him out right now because he’s participating more” and saying “his increase in participation is noteworthy and I’d like to make a note of it and monitor the change. It’s basic pattern recognition. I’ve seen him do one thing as village. Now I’m seeing him do another and wondering if he’s not village. I’m not currently voting for him. I’m not calling for his head. I just want to note the change and monitor the situation.
Rereading some of Bioshock, I don’t think his participation is that different this game, seems more that a) with fewer players he is posting more relative to the overall thread, and b) with less content he has more time to post instead of spending more time catching up. His participation towards the middle/end, once there weren’t so many players at such a crazy pace, in the section I was reading with his LIS tiff looked very similar to his participation now. I think he might have tended to post a bit less in games since then but from my memory it’s not that much of a difference and the content/strategy feels similar.
 
At first it doesn’t matter because multiball. As we get further into the game, it should be a concern.
Which killing faction has been wiped out, exactly? Do you think there was just a condemner and exactly one other scum faction?
 
Interesting, you don't know she's village though. The common logic is I KNOW I'm village and I THINK she is but I don't know, so I'm preserving the known villager... You guys on a team together?
Come on coop. You know me better than that. I may protect my teammates but I don't have them stick their necks out like that for me.
 
I've village read her in early game before, just not lately. Her post about not actively choosing to play scum (especially after last game) seemed genuine to me plus she discarded a town role, so I knew she had the option to play town.
I feel fine about Dina village reading Cray early because I feel the exact same way. I’m general afraid of initially village-reading Cray and even if she sounds village she stays in neutral on policy for a couple days, but this game given her general feelings on wolfing, how much she’s wolfed recently, and how genuine her posts sounded, I really believed she would not choose scum if she had a non-negative-utility village option (which we knew she almost certainly did because of her discard)
 
Interesting, you don't know she's village though. The common logic is I KNOW I'm village and I THINK she is but I don't know, so I'm preserving the known villager... You guys on a team together?
I feel good about my read. If I’m right, and I self prez, then we lose a villager, and tomorrow village continues its tunnel on me and wastes the cycle voting me out. Even if I’m wrong, because it’s multiball, and we could be different factions I suspect village will still vote me out tomorrow.

I think a Zenge yeet over my self prez is probably a better move for village so they can get out of this tunnel and get back to scum hunting.
 
Well now I'm having a hard time because I know I'm village so I know zenge would have no reason not to self prez onto me except for the reason he's giving, and that makes me want to not self prez onto him because it means he's probably village. Even though I will if I have to. But it makes me sad.
 
I think a Zenge yeet over my self prez is probably a better move for village so they can get out of this tunnel and get back to scum hunting.
See you say things like this and make me feel bad

pretty colorsssss

Why is alley so village? I can’t get a read on her this game so far so I’m interested in hearing more
I’ll fully admit it’s not my best move and it must bite me, but I don’t think alley would wolf unless forced and then she also just sounds so much like her village self.
that being said, shortys a good amount above everyone else. It shoulda been like
s>>>a>v…
 
See you say things like this and make me feel bad


I’ll fully admit it’s not my best move and it must bite me, but I don’t think alley would wolf unless forced and then she also just sounds so much like her village self.
that being said, shortys a good amount above everyone else. It shoulda been like
s>>>a>v…
Where?
 
@WildZoo @Zenge142 well then who do you want to yeet?

Zenge, you're still sitting on Coop, but you were saying earlier that you were having some doubts about that, so I'm curious if you plan to move?
Dubz, I assume you still feel Vissy is the wolfiest since you're sitting there.

Can someone who is not feeling great about Vis and alley explain it to me? Because Vis feels fine to me, but historically my reads of her are more accurate if I go with the opposite of what my instinct is lol. And alley has seemed normal, but other people have disagreed, so I'd like to hear what I might be missing.
 
I feel good about my read. If I’m right, and I self prez, then we lose a villager, and tomorrow village continues its tunnel on me and wastes the cycle voting me out. Even if I’m wrong, because it’s multiball, and we could be different factions I suspect village will still vote me out tomorrow.

I think a Zenge yeet over my self prez is probably a better move for village so they can get out of this tunnel and get back to scum hunting.
Ok but you didn't answer my question. Where should we go? Besides me because you're already on me and clearly we're not going there today (god knows why)
 
@WildZoo @Zenge142 well then who do you want to yeet?

Zenge, you're still sitting on Coop, but you were saying earlier that you were having some doubts about that, so I'm curious if you plan to move?
Dubz, I assume you still feel Vissy is the wolfiest since you're sitting there.

Can someone who is not feeling great about Vis and alley explain it to me? Because Vis feels fine to me, but historically my reads of her are more accurate if I go with the opposite of what my instinct is lol. And alley has seemed normal, but other people have disagreed, so I'd like to hear what I might be missing.
Vis or Dina, or you know, anyone from my neutrals or higher really. But yes I'm still on vis because she's still my wolfiest read.

My plan was to look over some of her posts from baby animals and see how I felt they compared to posts today about cubs and zenge but I'm...tired. So. Trying to muster the energy.
 
No but you were driving. Who knows what unsupervised wolves do
I was not driving when he decided to say he wasn't going to self prez on me lol and I have been here intermittently otherwise. Plenty of time to check in to scum chat and come up with a plan.
 
@WildZoo @Zenge142 well then who do you want to yeet?

Zenge, you're still sitting on Coop, but you were saying earlier that you were having some doubts about that, so I'm curious if you plan to move?
Dubz, I assume you still feel Vissy is the wolfiest since you're sitting there.

Can someone who is not feeling great about Vis and alley explain it to me? Because Vis feels fine to me, but historically my reads of her are more accurate if I go with the opposite of what my instinct is lol. And alley has seemed normal, but other people have disagreed, so I'd like to hear what I might be missing.
I feel like I've pointed it out a lot but here's my summary from memory.

She voted for me for a clearly joking post and said I seemed tense. Plus the other stuff but for some reason she seemed really fixated on that. Then she forgot wonder was dead plus some other stuff I can't remember off the top of my head. ... That wasn't very helpful was it? See if I cared more I'd go and pull quotes for you.
 
Can anyone say if shorty/zenge interactions like this are more/less prominent in v/v or v/w or w/w scenarios in the past?
We’ve never seen w/w or w/v shorty/Z. I would say it’s about equally likely they’ll have antagonistic interactions as v/v or v/w. She was really convinced he was wolfing in Basics when he wasn’t, but she’s correctly wolfread him before, I think in WWoWP (and/or Bioshock?). Other than that I don’t remember much in the way of details.
 
I was not driving when he decided to say he wasn't going to self prez on me lol and I have been here intermittently otherwise. Plenty of time to check in to scum chat and come up with a plan.
Meh, he could be doing his own ****. We know wolves don't always check in before doing stupid ****. Besides his logic is crap, you must know this. Why else wouldn't a villager self prez?
 
I feel like I've pointed it out a lot but here's my summary from memory.

She voted for me for a clearly joking post and said I seemed tense. Plus the other stuff but for some reason she seemed really fixated on that. Then she forgot wonder was dead plus some other stuff I can't remember off the top of my head. ... That wasn't very helpful was it? See if I cared more I'd go and pull quotes for you.
Yeah, I addressed that in 1 of the 4 giant wall posts, but I came away from it with a different interpretation.
 
We’ve never seen w/w or w/v shorty/Z. I would say it’s about equally likely they’ll have antagonistic interactions as v/v or v/w. She was really convinced he was wolfing in Basics when he wasn’t, but she’s correctly wolfread him before, I think in WWoWP (and/or Bioshock?). Other than that I don’t remember much in the way of details.
Wait, I was? I wolfread him in Emojis, I didn't think I did in Basics, but I also didn't go back and look at it, I just pulled the spreadsheets.
 
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