CHOOSE YOUR OWWN II - Game Thread

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Day 2 Yeet Tally
Coop (1) - Zenge
dubz (3) - Dina, cubs, alley
Vis (2) - sunshine, DubZ
Dina () -
sunshine (1) - Coop
cubs (1) - chaos
Zenge (3) - Vis, shorty, please

11/11
yeet close in ~4 hours
 
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Animal Midwife said:
Day 2 Yeet Tally
Coop (1) - Zenge
dubz (3) - Dina, cubs, alley
Vis (2) - sunshine, DubZ
Dina () -
sunshine (1) - Coop
cubs (1) - chaos
Zenge (3) - Vis, shorty, please

11/11
yeet close in ~4 hours
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Oh are we doing zenge now? I could do that. I won't change now but I'll vote him over having dubz yeeted because I'm reading him scum and dubz village
 
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sunshinefl said:
Hey @supershorty remember when you said you were pressuring dubz and she said don’t bother I don’t get pressured, and then posted a bunch like she was pressured? Yeah me too.
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I would have reread and posted either way. When I had time. Which I did, yesterday after we got back from the zoo. It had nothing to do with "pressure".
 
Village-
supershorty: Seems like her typical village meta. Stuck in a few bad tunnels but I think she’s village.
vetschoolsletmechangemycolorplease: I haven’t seen anything wolfy, and the only way I think she would pick scum was if she had no other choice so I’m inclined to village read her until I see something that really stands out as off. Nothing quite feels off yet, but her overall thread presence has been lacking and I don’t like the vote for me, so I might waver on this as we move forward.
WildZoo: Coming across as village Dubz. I haven’t seen anything wolfy. I would expect scum Dubz to try and drive the narrative more and be more power wolfing than what we’re seeing here. Likely village I think.
cubsrule4e: Reading him as village. I get his frustration with the chaos thing. Feels like he’s approving that and the game from a village mindset. Him reevaluating Dubz too is something I see him doing more as a villager than as scum.

Neutral-
sunshinefl: She hasn’t posted a whole lot but of what she has posted I’m not getting a lot of pings. Village lean but still in my neutrals until we get more.
alleycat03: Nothing stands out as terribly wolfy, but that’s not necessarily indicative of anything. She was the first on the Stagg vote. I wonder if Wonder hadn’t revealed if she would have been able to quietly hide her vote on a sketchy player and fly under the radar. Again nothing major sticks out but I don’t want to move her out of the neutrals just yet.
Dinashadow: Nothing has moved her up to make me feel more village about her, but she hasn’t done anything more that’s pinged me enough to move her down into scum just yet.

Scum-
Coopah: Super not helpful with game solving. There’s making a few jokes on thread while playing the game and then there’s this. People have said they think Coop would be likely to take a scum role if given the option. The weird scum calls on me and Sunny with not just no reasoning but a refusal to discuss reasoning was notable. Nothing has really changed this cycle.
Chaostrodon: Cubs tunnel just feels off. Not sure what to make of the notable difference in tone and play style this game but it does exist. The possibility that the affiliation reveal was a ploy to get village cred and find out which roles scum didn’t need to be concerned about wigs me out too.
Viscernable: Been feeling super off this cycle. It’s hard to put my finger on but there’s a way she’s engaging and answering questions that has me concerned.
 
Zenge142 said:
Neutral-
alleycat03: Nothing stands out as terribly wolfy, but that’s not necessarily indicative of anything. She was the first on the Stagg vote. I wonder if Wonder hadn’t revealed if she would have been able to quietly hide her vote on a sketchy player and fly under the radar. Again nothing major sticks out but I don’t want to move her out of the neutrals just yet.
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You realize that she still would have been sitting on scum, right? This feels to me like you're trying to throw shade at her for sitting off-wagon retrospectively, when we now know that Wonder was village and Stagg wasn't. And it's not like alley was ever on Wonder. ... and she didn't end up "quietly hiding her vote" since that's the wagon that went. Remember when mkg was making up hypotheticals last game to try and shade you? That's what this feels like to me. "But WHAT IF!!!!"
Zenge142 said:
Scum-
Coopah: Super not helpful with game solving. There’s making a few jokes on thread while playing the game and then there’s this. People have said they think Coop would be likely to take a scum role if given the option. The weird scum calls on me and Sunny with not just no reasoning but a refusal to discuss reasoning was notable. Nothing has really changed this cycle.
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Really? I feel like I've seen more effort from Coop this cycle. I wouldn't move her higher than I have her, but it feels disingenuous to say that her play has been exactly the same as it was D1.
Zenge142 said:
Chaostrodon: Cubs tunnel just feels off. Not sure what to make of the notable difference in tone and play style this game but it does exist. The possibility that the affiliation reveal was a ploy to get village cred and find out which roles scum didn’t need to be concerned about wigs me out too.
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Ok so what happened to your whole thing of "I don't think people who were going to play scum would discard roles like ninja and strongman," and why is that not fitting into your Chaos read at all anymore?

How do you feel about Chaos' cubs tunnel compared to his LIS tunnel from Bioshock that I posted?
 
supershorty said:
You realize that she still would have been sitting on scum, right?
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Multiball. She’s neutral. I have paranoid reasons to not want to village read her until we see more.
supershorty said:
but it feels disingenuous to say that her play has been exactly the same as it was D1.
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It feels disingenuous to say I said she was exactly the same. I said nothing has really changed. I don’t see anything this cycle that’s changed my mind.
supershorty said:
Ok so what happened to your whole thing of "I don't think people who were going to play scum would discard roles like ninja and strongman," and why is that not fitting into your Chaos read at all anymore?
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I was clear that “anything is possible” and I wasn’t relying on that alone. Early on it’s a good place to start. I don’t know what all of the role options he had were.
supershorty said:
How do you feel about Chaos' cubs tunnel compared to his LIS tunnel from Bioshock that I posted?
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It’s an interesting hypothesis.
 
sunshinefl said:
Yes

I think he is, but he’s not really going that off the rails lmaoooo
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I just feel like I've previously given scum!Zenge the benefit of the doubt when I shouldn't, and seen how some things could be village, and he's making that really hard for me this game.
 
supershorty said:
I just feel like I've previously given scum!Zenge the benefit of the doubt when I shouldn't, and seen how some things could be village, and he's making that really hard for me this game.
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Am I? You don’t like the answers to my questions but it’s a complex fluid game with a lot of moving pieces. There’s a lot more to consider than a normal game. Opinions can change.
 
Zenge142 said:
Am I? You don’t like the answers to my questions but it’s a complex fluid game with a lot of moving pieces. There’s a lot more to consider than a normal game. Opinions can change.
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You say this like you're giving me straight answers without my having to beat you over the head to get them. You danced around the Chaos scum discard question for both me and Dina. You're stretching like crazy on some things and then picking fights over semantics (the sheeping thing, now saying that "nothing has really changed" regarding Coop's play when her play D1 and D2 are definitely different).

If you're village, I'll eat the crow for misreading you, but you will not convince me that this is your normal village play.
 
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supershorty said:
You say this like you're giving me straight answers without my having to beat you over the head to get them. You danced around the Chaos scum discard question for both me and Dina. You're stretching like crazy on some things and then picking fights over semantics (the sheeping thing, now saying that "nothing has really changed" regarding Coop's play when her play D1 and D2 are definitely different).

If you're village, I'll eat the crow for misreading you, but you will not convince me that this is your normal village play.
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ok, maybe a large uptick in shorty in-game banter lol
 
supershorty said:
You say this like you're giving me straight answers without my having to beat you over the head to get them. You danced around the Chaos scum discard question for both me and Dina. You're stretching like crazy on some things and then picking fights over semantics (the sheeping thing, now saying that "nothing has really changed" regarding Coop's play when her play D1 and D2 are definitely different).

If you're village, I'll eat the crow for misreading you, but you will not convince me that this is your normal village play.
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My answer on the chaos scum discard question is the best I can give with the limited information I have.

Im really not stretching, people are over interpreting my meaning and then accusing me of stretching.

I didn’t pick a fight over the sheeping thing, I specifically ignored it.

What about Coop’s play is so dramatically different this cycle? She’s trolling less? It’s not really dramatically different. I’m not seeing scum hunting. I’m not seeing any real game engagement. Just less jokes.
 
Zenge142 said:
What about Coop’s play is so dramatically different this cycle? She’s trolling less? It’s not really dramatically different. I’m not seeing scum hunting. I’m not seeing any real game engagement. Just less jokes.
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I think you'll find that if you ISO Coop's posts, there's a pretty good change from pages 5-8 (D1) to pages 1-4 (D2) in terms of content.
 
cubsrule4e said:
Can anyone say if shorty/zenge interactions like this are more/less prominent in v/v or v/w or w/w scenarios in the past?
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Well. Data is limited because there is no previous game where shorty was scum and zenge was village.

And uh. Previous games where zenge was scum and shorty was village, shorty seemed to...die...quickly...

From what I remember anyway. I'd have to actually look back at their previous v/v games.
 
cubsrule4e said:
Can anyone say if shorty/zenge interactions like this are more/less prominent in v/v or v/w or w/w scenarios in the past?
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2/3 times that Zenge has wolfed in games I was in, I was NKed by N2, if that tells you anything.
We have never played a game where it was w/v in the opposite scenario. I've only wolfed once (in my noob game) and he didn't play yet.
 
WildZoo said:
From what I remember anyway. I'd have to actually look back at their previous v/v games.
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I don't think we've ever had interactions that were this sassy because I haven't misread village!Zenge in a game before, but I'm honestly not even sure how many v/v games we've had together... I'll consult my spreadsheets from previous games.

Edit: we were v/v in Emojis (which I already mentioned - I died D1), Basics, GGoats, and England. I think that's all of them? And IIRC I village-read him in those, although I'm not sure we interacted much at all in England, and in all 3 of those, one of us didn't make it past N2 (Zenge NKed N2 in Basics, me NKed N2 in GGoats, and I subbed out mid-D2 in England).
 
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Zenge142 said:
It felt that way to me. I was shook by Vis scum reading me and then immediately after following me onto a vote which I’ve had my doubts about.
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But that's ... not what sheeping is.
And it wasn't immediate.
And she gave reasoning that was different from yours.
And like you've said yourself, it's multiball, so voting with scum leans isn't that weird.
 
supershorty said:
Also, since when? You've been scum leaning Coop consistently.
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Always have my doubts until they flip. The same reason you’re moving her into neutrals are the same reasons I have my doubts. I just haven’t seen enough to move her out of my scum reads.
 
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