CHOOSE YOUR OWWN III - Game Thread

[potentialsheltervet]

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I feel fine about True not being a wolf. He might be some sort of something else but confident he wouldn't bus Chaos like that.
I need to check Zenge vote patterns.

 

[supershorty]

Really? Because I still don't understand why she made the bussing comment

I don't either, but I don't see that being a TMI slip unless the argument is that there's only exactly a wolf pack and she's part of it.

 

[WildZoo]

I don't either, but I don't see that being a TMI slip unless the argument is that there's only exactly a wolf pack and she's part of it.

I mean, that is kind of where my head went

 

[supershorty]

I mean, that is kind of where my head went

Has there ever been a CYO game that only had a single scum faction?

 

[supershorty]

Like yeah, theoretically, it could happen, but I can't imagine the probability is particularly high.

 

[WildZoo]

I feel fine about True not being a wolf. He might be some sort of something else but confident he wouldn't bus Chaos like that.
I need to check Zenge vote patterns.

Unfortunately VCA just isn't that useful in these games. Sure. True isn't partnered with chaos. I believe it. Doesn't mean anything though.

Barring the above scenario of only one pack existing, which would be funny.

 

[WildZoo]

Has there ever been a CYO game that only had a single scum faction?

Not on this site, I don't think. The first CYO had a 3 wolf pack and a SK maybe? I'll look back real quick.

Like yeah, theoretically, it could happen, but I can't imagine the probability is particularly high.

Numbers is villains

I'm not talking probability, I'm just talking vibes lol

 

[supershorty]

I wonder what the probability is of having a game with only a single scum faction, that went through on the first roll, and that had multiple people claim the same 1-person role.

Very smol.

 

[supershorty]

Not on this site, I don't think. The first CYO had a 3 wolf pack and a SK maybe? I'll look back real quick.

I know last year's had a 2 wolf pack, a SK, and a condemner.

Condemner isn't exclusive or able to kill, obviously, but still scum.

Edit: because even though S is pronounced "ess," it would not make the article before it "an"
might be bedtime lol

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I wonder what the probability is of having a game with only a single scum faction, that went through on the first roll, and that had multiple people claim the same 1-person role.

Very smol.

@Viscernable @LuminousLag Statistics lovers... This one's on you

 

[WildZoo]

I know last year's had a 2 wolf pack, an SK, and a condemner.

Condemner isn't exclusive or able to kill, obviously, but still scum.

Minor correction to my earlier statement, game 1 was 3 Mafia and a wolf

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Unfortunately VCA just isn't that useful in these games. Sure. True isn't partnered with chaos. I believe it. Doesn't mean anything though.

Barring the above scenario of only one pack existing, which would be funny.

True not being partnered with Chaos means true isn't a wolf. I already said the possibility of him being other scum, but knowing he isn't wolf is a useful data point and far from not meaning anything.
Ditto for Zenge if he voted for Chaos but I still need to check that.

 

[WildZoo]

True not being partnered with Chaos means true isn't a wolf. I already said the possibility of him being other scum, but knowing he isn't wolf is a useful data point and far from not meaning anything.
Ditto for Zenge if he voted for Chaos but I still need to check that.

What does it mean in the grand scheme of the game?
And yes Zenge voted for chaos

 

[alleycat03]

**** I forgot about vote close, apparently it was at 9 and not 10

Starting to read the latest two pages now

 

[Truenamer]

I feel fine about True not being a wolf. He might be some sort of something else but confident he wouldn't bus Chaos like that.
I need to check Zenge vote patterns.

I am absolutely 100% not a wolf, but unfortunately that's all you can tell from this vote. 😞

For vote analysis, there are four flavors of scum, right? Wolf, mafia, and alien, plus the various evil 3Ps.

Given a 16 person game, how many total baddies should we be hunting?

 

[WildZoo]

See @Zenge142 , you don't have to vote late to be right 😛

 

[supershorty]

Given a 16 person game, how many total baddies should we be hunting?

...

There's no way you're asking this question seriously when you've played as many games as you have, is there?

 

[Truenamer]

...

There's no way you're asking this question when you've played as many games as you have, is there?

First of all, did you really need to use this tone?

Second of all, CYO is an unusual style of game, with the potential for four or five independent scum. It makes the math weird.

 

[supershorty]

First of all, did you really need to use this tone?

Second of all, CYO is an unusual style of game, with the potential for four or five independent scum. It makes the math weird.

Yes, I needed to use my skeptical tone to address a question I feel skeptical about.

 

[WildZoo]

I am absolutely 100% not a wolf, but unfortunately that's all you can tell from this vote. 😞

For vote analysis, there are four flavors of scum, right? Wolf, mafia, and alien, plus the various evil 3Ps.

Given a 16 person game, how many total baddies should we be hunting?

I've never actually figured out how these games are determined to be balanced enough to run, but I'd say 4-5 based on the previous two games having 4 at 14 players?

 

[Truenamer]

I've never actually figured out how these games are determined to be balanced enough to run, but I'd say 4-5 based on the previous two games having 4 at 14 players?

Thank you, this was a very reasonable and polite way to answer what I think was a pretty reasonable question.

 

[supershorty]

I've never actually figured out how these games are determined to be balanced enough to run, but I'd say 4-5 based on the previous two games having 4 at 14 players?

The wiki strongly advises only running it with at least 50% town roles, but is otherwise not specific and the 50% number doesn't really give you a whole lot of info beyond that.

 

[WildZoo]

The wiki strongly advises only running it with at least 50% town roles, but is otherwise not specific and the 50% number doesn't really give you a whole lot of info beyond that.

Okay so uh...4 to 8...

 

[supershorty]

Thank you, this was a very reasonable and polite way to answer what I think was a pretty reasonable question.

You choose the strangest things to get prickly about lol
My sarcasm should not come as a surprise to you.

 

[Truenamer]

You choose the strangest things to get prickly about lol
My sarcasm should not come as a surprise to you.

I'm sorry, it's just that you had three options: say nothing, give your best guess at the right answer like Dubz did, or make a disparaging comment (slightly disguised as a question).

You chose the rude option. I don't really understand why.

 

[alissa14]

Given that chaos was lying all along, I am more inclined to believe wonder. I also don’t feel any more comfortable with genny even though she pushed hard for the chaos yeet

 

[supershorty]

I'm sorry, it's just that you had three options: say nothing, give your best guess at the right answer like Dubz did, or make a disparaging comment (slightly disguised as a question).

You chose the rude option. I don't really understand why.

I'm bemused by you being confused that I'm sometimes abrasive when you were part of a wolf pack that made a point to antagonize me for an entire game because of being "too intense".

 

[Truenamer]

I'm bemused by you being confused that I'm sometimes abrasive when you were part of a wolf pack that made a point to antagonize me for an entire game because of being "too intense".

Oh, I guess I never really addressed that with you? Is that why you've been upset with me this game?

There was never any kind of plan to upset you by that pack. For some reason a couple of them just kept doing it. There was never any discussion about you or any organized focus on you.

 

[alissa14]

Yes, yes, and yes.

I guess I just wasn’t seeing it because I assumed Chaos was more noob-ish than he is and chalked it up to genuine reaction. Will note this for future games with him

 

[supershorty]

Given that chaos was lying all along, I am more inclined to believe wonder.

I don't really understand this first sentence. We already knew Chaos was lying before Wonder even counterclaimed, since he was caught in a lie when Lumi counterclaimed and Chaos' response was "well, frick."

If you're saying that Chaos lying about being Judas makes you more inclined to believe Wonder, why is that?

 

[supershorty]

Oh, I guess I never really addressed that with you? Is that why you've been upset with me this game?

There was never any kind of plan to upset you by that pack. For some reason a couple of them just kept doing it. There was never any discussion about you or any organized focus on you.

I'm not upset with you? I just don't think you're village.

 

[Lawpy]

And we’re only partially front

 

[alissa14]

And I really think we should yeet genny

It seems you still feel this way after the chaos flip

 

[Lawpy]

Dead is @Chaostrodon Wolf 1x Mass Redirector (Wolf Cop + Alien 1x Mass Redirector)
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Roster
1. @potentialsheltervet
2. @WonderingStudent
3. @alleycat03
4. @genny
5. @WorthlessOxygen
6. @Truenamer
7. @WildZoo
7.7 @Stagg737
8. @Zenge142
9. @Viscernable
10. @alissa14
Twelve. @mkg323
utc. @supershorty
33. @LuminousLag
uts. @Lawpy

Pleased!

 

[Lawpy]

Subbing in for @Stagg737 is @holdthemayo​

Engaged

 

[alissa14]

I need to go re read the last time and only time I scummed with genny. IIRC I think it was FTF’s worst idea and we were a tiny wolf faction of 2 and I went down day 1 (I’m really bad at summing idk why I like it so much)

 

[Lawpy]

Contingency yeet Lawpy

What pls

 

[alissa14]

If you're saying that Chaos lying about being Judas makes you more inclined to believe Wonder, why is that?

Because black goo didn’t show up at all in the discards. I mean I kinda expected it wouldn’t. I still have a very hard time seeing scum!wonder lying like that. especially since it isn’t a feasible lie to maintain to endgame

 

[supershorty]

Because black goo didn’t show up at all in the discards. I mean I kinda expected it wouldn’t. I still have a very hard time seeing scum!wonder lying like that. especially since it isn’t a feasible lie to maintain to endgame

Yes, but

I don't really understand this first sentence. We already knew Chaos was lying before Wonder even counterclaimed, since he was caught in a lie when Lumi counterclaimed and Chaos' response was "well, frick."

so can you clarify if this is what you mean or not?

If you're saying that Chaos lying about being Judas makes you more inclined to believe Wonder, why is that?

 

[alissa14]

Yes, but



so can you clarify if this is what you mean or not?

Then I don’t know why shorty. Time?

 

[supershorty]

Then I don’t know why shorty. Time?

What?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

What does it mean in the grand scheme of the game?
And yes Zenge voted for chaos

In the grand scheme of the game? That's one less scum faction True and Zenge could be.
To be clear, I am not saying either should be read as 100% village. I'm well aware this is a multiball game and either one could be alien, goon, or SK. But I am saying I don't believe either one is a wolf, which means that eliminates one possibility from the scum soup.
So I guess it isn't ~that~ important because it's possible Chaos didn't even have any packmates. All I'm trying to say is it helps me brain to pencil in that neither of them is a wolf.

 

[WildZoo]

It seems you still feel this way after the chaos flip

My mind has not changed, no.

That's the thing.

It's multiball. People have to stand on their own efforts and statements and whatever individually. No interactions really matter unless we know what kind of scum we're looking for. So flips aren't so much going to change my POE.

 

[Lawpy]

I feel fine about True not being a wolf. He might be some sort of something else but confident he wouldn't bus Chaos like that.
I need to check Zenge vote patterns.

Engaged 🤔

 

[WildZoo]

In the grand scheme of the game? That's one less scum faction True and Zenge could be.
To be clear, I am not saying either should be read as 100% village. I'm well aware this is a multiball game and either one could be alien, goon, or SK. But I am saying I don't believe either one is a wolf, which means that eliminates one possibility from the scum soup.
So I guess it isn't ~that~ important because it's possible Chaos didn't even have any packmates. All I'm trying to say is it helps me brain to pencil in that neither of them is a wolf.

I'm just trying to make sure we don't get hung up on data points that could subconsciously lead to giving people more village cred than they should get, that's all.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Let me just add, @supershorty
Like True said, there was no concerted attempt to target you in LiterWWary from the pack. Dubz was also in that pack (in spirit, even if not in flesh each cycle) and there definitely wasn't a slander campaign effort from the pack as a unit, though I won't comment on individual players' wolfing choices. I just want to be clear about that: in no way was anything happening on the wolf front in LiterWWary an intentional personal attack on you or anyone else.
I'm not going to tell you not to be upset because that isn't fair or right of me but I wanted to get that out there.

 

[Lawpy]

True not being partnered with Chaos means true isn't a wolf. I already said the possibility of him being other scum, but knowing he isn't wolf is a useful data point and far from not meaning anything.
Ditto for Zenge if he voted for Chaos but I still need to check that.

Can you walk me through your thought process pls

 

[Truenamer]

I'm just trying to make sure we don't get hung up on data points that could subconsciously lead to giving people more village cred than they should get, that's all.

Big agree. It's even in the interest of scum to take out all the other scum.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I'm just trying to make sure we don't get hung up on data points that could subconsciously lead to giving people more village cred than they should get, that's all.

Trust me, I'm not giving them any cred other than "not in a pack with Chaos". I still have some concerns about True and not concerns about Zenge.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Can you walk me through your thought process pls

I did a few posts up. Basically: there are several possible scum factions in this game but my lizard brain enjoys knowing one particular faction is not a possibility for certain players. It does not mean I am opposed to the idea of them as scum.