Class of 2020... how you doin?

[Trilt]

During my epidemiology class I read all the Harry Potter books for the first time. I got a B by 0.2% because the professor didn't round grades but I don't really regret it.

Our epidemiology was an 8am class.

Everyone hold out one hand in front of them. Total fingers is definitely more classes (minus tests) than I attended the whole semester, lol.

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[Filly Bay]

Our epidemiology was an 8am class.

Everyone hold out one hand in front of them. Total fingers is definitely more classes (minus tests) than I attended the whole semester, lol.

Ours was too...but we had in class assignments and projects that counted towards our grade

 

[katashark]

There's only 50 of us, and just enough seats. We also don't have lecture capture or anything. Soooo unfortunately I go to class. lol.

 

[Caiter92]

Our Montana class has only 10 students. Those guys can't get away with anything

 

[WildAnimal]

Our One Health class is basically our epidemiology class, and it's required. So yeah I forgot I also go to that class. I always leave right after. I don't know how people can go to 7 hours of lecture and have any capacity to study afterwards.

I barely go to class and only made one non A last quarter, it was a B+ in Phys at 89.something (ugh) but I'm still not doing anything differently this quarter.

 

[LadyOtheFarm]

Our Montana class has only 10 students. Those guys can't get away with anything

?

 

[Caiter92]

?

WSU is the WIMU regional program now. We have 10 at the Montana campus for the first year, 30 in Utah for the first two, and then 90 that start in Pullman

 

[LadyOtheFarm]

WSU is the WIMU regional program now. We have 10 at the Montana campus for the first year, 30 in Utah for the first two, and then 90 that start in Pullman

All the cool things they do after I am no longer a WICHI- MT applicant. They were doing that for the med school pool back then, but said the vet version was a few years out. I guess time has passed, huh?

 

[WildZoo]

Our One Health class is basically our epidemiology class, and it's required. So yeah I forgot I also go to that class. I always leave right after. I don't know how people can go to 7 hours of lecture and have any capacity to study afterwards.

I barely go to class and only made one non A last quarter, it was a B+ in Phys at 89.something (ugh) but I'm still not doing anything differently this quarter.

I go to class but most nights don't study when I get home. So it's a tradeoff.

 

[Caiter92]

I go to class but most nights don't study when I get home. So it's a tradeoff.

Studying? What's that?

 

[WildZoo]

Studying? What's that?

I think it's related to dying. That's why I avoid it.

 

[Caiter92]

I think it's related to dying. That's why I avoid it.

I avoid all things that cause discomfort as much as possible.

 

[WildZoo]

I avoid all things that cause discomfort as much as possible.

That's how you get them to go away, right?

 

[Caiter92]

That's how you get them to go away, right?

Yes.

It is a fail proof plan.

 

[battie]

Sorry, going to start a tangent:

Anyone else going to SAVMA this year?

 

[WildZoo]

Sorry, going to start a tangent:

Anyone else going to SAVMA this year?

I knew there was something I was forgetting about. I'm gonna try. It's during our spring break so that's convenient.

 

[battie]

I knew there was something I was forgetting about. I'm gonna try. It's during our spring break so that's convenient.

It's our first weekend of spring break. I was wondering who was going and if anyone would like to get together during the conference!

 

[epivetlove]

Yes, yessss...come visit me at SAVMA!

 

[hazelmoo]

Questioning if I'm even smart enough to be a good veterinarian

 

[alohacat319]

Questioning if I'm even smart enough to be a good veterinarian

I thought this about myself multiple times over break when I was in the clinic and listening to the various veterinarians talk about cases. We will get there though. The professors we work with every day are incredible, brilliant doctors, and they hand selected each of us to sit in the seat we sit in. They know what they are doing and have graduated many years of capable veterinarians, we just have to give ourselves time and put in the work necessary to get there.

 

[DVMDream]

Questioning if I'm even smart enough to be a good veterinarian

I'm definitely not. Unfortunately, this feeling doesn't go away, ever.

 

[twelvetigers]

Still question daily.

 

[LetItSnow]

I'm all that and then some.

 

[DVMDream]

I'm all that and then some.

 

[supershorty]

Working overnights as a student tech in the large animal hospital makes me realize how much I don't know.

It also makes me super appreciative of the upperclassmen, techs, and residents who are willing to teach me how to do things even in the wee hours of the morning.

 

[battie]

Don't want to leave the apartment, but had a bag of popcorn for dinner last night. That's where I'm at.

 

[deleted676737]

Don't want to leave the apartment, but had a bag of popcorn for dinner last night. That's where I'm at.

Are you me?

 

[battie]

Are you me?

I can be the Illinois you and you can be the Iowa me.

 

[wheelin2vetmed]

Well here we go. I feel like I'm a masochist to do this all over again.

 

[hazelmoo]

Well here we go. I feel like I'm a masochist to do this all over again.

I could dig that



(Disclaimer: jk, I'd cry. I'm a sensitive snowflake)

 

[SARdoghandler]

Had a nutrition quiz today. Have no undergrad nutrition background. Thought process on test: "Well, I haven't said D yet on this page..."

What is life.

 

[PrincessButterCup]

Had a nutrition quiz today. Have no undergrad nutrition background. Thought process on test: "Well, I haven't said D yet on this page..."

What is life.

You have school today? It's a holiday!

 

[battie]

You have school today? It's a holiday!

My undergrad didn't take today off, but most of the professors would give excused absences if you proved you went to the various MLK things we did (march down main street, round table discussions, etc).

 

[SARdoghandler]

You have school today? It's a holiday!

Not a holiday in Canada hahaha. We also started this semester back on January 2nd.

 

[wheelin2vetmed]

I could dig that

Take your gutter-mind to the drunk thread moo

 

[hazelmoo]

Take your gutter-mind to the drunk thread moo

Hmph

To be in the drunk thread without being drunk would be an INJUSTICE TO ALL

 

[PrincessButterCup]

Hmph

To be in the drunk thread without being drunk would be an INJUSTICE TO ALL

Doesn't stop @WildZoo

 

[WildZoo]

Doesn't stop @WildZoo

Nothing stops me

 

[battie]

What is this 8 am life right now?

 

[flameshock]

I think we have 8 am classes every day until week 10 or so..?

 

[battie]

I think we have 8 am classes every day until week 10 or so..?

3rd one in a row. I dont think I could do 10 weeks.

 

[awesomenessity]

3rd one in a row. I dont think I could do 10 weeks.

We've started at 8:30 every day since September... and usually finish around 5

 

[battie]

We've started at 8:30 every day since September... and usually finish around 5

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[WildZoo]

Yeah we have 8am lecture every morning...sometimes get out at noon (maybe once a week) but more often we have lab in the afternoon until 3-5 depending on what lab it is

 

[deleted676737]

We start at 8 AM every day except Wednesday and Friday, where we start at 9. We're out anywhere from 4-5 PM all week, though.

 

[missdarjeeling]

Anyone else read that piece in Newsweek about internships and exploitation? And AVMA's "they're only focusing on the bad stuff - just be careful which internship program you pick!" response?

 

[battie]

Anyone else read that piece in Newsweek about internships and exploitation? And AVMA's "they're only focusing on the bad stuff - just be careful which internship program you pick!" response?

I haven't seen it. But are we surprised the AVMA blew it off?

 

[deleted676737]

Here is the article, for the curious (I just found out about it, too): http://www.newsweek.com/2017/01/27/veterinary-internship-exploitation-544253.html

AVMA's response: http://atwork.avma.org/2017/01/19/veterinary-internships-in-the-media-crosshairs/

 

[battie]

So basically neither side has evidence either way that internships are abusive, then. No one is keeping track of how interns/residents rank the various programs.

 

[JaynaAli]

I don't have a huge problem with AVMA's response. Honestly, I kinda agree that the article points out all the bad aspects and minimizes the positive. I'm not excusing the poor treatment and I'm not saying the system doesn't need change, but the reality is it's a buyer beware system right now and that fact isn't hidden. I did my research and my internship had two days off a week where you weren't asked to come in (maybe one intern on one occasion), 3 sick days, 5 days off, and 5 days to go to a conference/job interview/outside rotation (all of which you actually got to use!). Mentorship was great, we had defined goals and our issues were listened to.

Did I work ridiculous hours for a stupidly small amount of pay? Absolutely. Did I feel like a paperwork slave on many services? Yeah, sometimes and it sucked...especially on one service where 90-100 hour weeks were frequent (70-80 was more common on other services). Was there a mentality of 'I suffered through it so you need to buck up'? From some specialists, yeah. Do I regret doing it? Not at all, even though it sucked at times and I do wish I'd made more money while doing it, that $2-3/hr salary calculation isn't a lie. My take-home pay was about $1800/month after taxes and my apartment was $1100+utilities and I couldn't have made it without help from my family. But I wouldn't be near the doctor I am today without an internship. I know it's not the right choice for everyone but it was a great choice for me.

My feelings may have been different if I'd landed at one of the toxic places, but I can't regret doing one. Out of 7 full-time doctors at my practice, I really only felt one took advantage and had unrealistic expectations of us and what we could do each day. Unless there are guidelines and an overarching governing body like in human med, I seriously doubt things will change nor will salaries improve. Maybe I'm 'part of the problem' and excusing everything by saying 'it's worth it for the learning opportunity,' I don't know, but I don't regret it and painting all internships with a broad brush of 'horribly abusive' rubs me the wrong way because there are programs trying to do what they can to improve QOL/salary for interns. The interns that replaced my intern class got a $2,000/yr raise. It doesn't sound like much, but that was a 7% raise for them compared to us and comes out to an extra $100-200/month. It needs to go up more for that area, but at least it's a start. I was on a discussion panel with administration at my university less than a month ago where we talked about how they could help interns and residents do better/be happier/promote wellness. We didn't come up with much that could actually be implemented, but at least there are discussions occurring and people are thinking about it. Hopefully things will keep changing.