Class of 2021 . . . how ya doin?

[mmmdreamerz]

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My externships are all confirmed (well mostly, one can only tentatively confirm until Feb when the schedule is concrete), and I’m sort of excited...completely unprepared of course but still a hint of excitement. Lots of fun traveling!

 

[cdo96]

Today I learned that if you stroke the skin under the vulva, in food animals you usually can get them to urinate so you can collect a sample for a UA.

I now have the desire to go stroking more cow's vulvas to see if that actually works (it does not work in dogs-already tried that on mine once I got home)

 

[Coopah]

Today I learned that if you stroke the skin under the vulva, in food animals you usually can get them to urinate so you can collect a sample for a UA.

I now have the desire to go stroking more cow's vulvas to see if that actually works (it does not work in dogs-already tried that on mine once I got home)

It does, we were taught this is our cow handling lab year 1 and one girl went around stroking all the cow vulvas completely fascinated. I still think it's weird.

 

[vetmedhead]

Today I learned that if you stroke the skin under the vulva, in food animals you usually can get them to urinate so you can collect a sample for a UA.

I now have the desire to go stroking more cow's vulvas to see if that actually works (it does not work in dogs-already tried that on mine once I got home)

Definitely works. You should also look up how to stimulate steers/bulls and sheep to urinate

 

[mmmdreamerz]

Today I learned that if you stroke the skin under the vulva, in food animals you usually can get them to urinate so you can collect a sample for a UA.

I now have the desire to go stroking more cow's vulvas to see if that actually works (it does not work in dogs-already tried that on mine once I got home)

it works. They made us do it. I‘m so not a food animal person and thought it was weird.

 

[MOOSEygoosey]

Today I learned that if you stroke the skin under the vulva, in food animals you usually can get them to urinate so you can collect a sample for a UA.

I now have the desire to go stroking more cow's vulvas to see if that actually works (it does not work in dogs-already tried that on mine once I got home)

Called the escutcheon 🙂

 

[MOOSEygoosey]

Definitely works. You should also look up how to stimulate steers/bulls and sheep to urinate

Sheep will just pee if you make them stand up lol, get your ladle ready!

 

[vetmedhead]

Sheep will just pee if you make them stand up lol, get your ladle ready!

If they won't go you can also hold their nares shut for a bit and they'll pee

 

[PrincessButterCup]

If they won't go you can also hold their nares shut for a bit and they'll pee

This is fascinating. How does it work? Do you know what causes that response?

 

[Squeaksmom]

Called the escutcheon 🙂

I've been trying to remember how to spell that... there's an interesting phonetic version being used in the class group chat lol. Thanks 🙂

 

[MOOSEygoosey]

I've been trying to remember how to spell that... there's an interesting phonetic version being used in the class group chat lol. Thanks 🙂

Haha no problem!

 

[MOOSEygoosey]

If they won't go you can also hold their nares shut for a bit and they'll pee

WHHAAAAAAA?!?!? #funfacts

 

[vetmedhead]

This is fascinating. How does it work? Do you know what causes that response?

I have no idea why, and neither does anyone who's ever shown me or done it with me lol. Little weirdos

 

[cdo96]

If they won't go you can also hold their nares shut for a bit and they'll pee

This is fascinating. How does it work? Do you know what causes that response?

I, too, would pee if you cut off my oxygen source. So I respect that, sheep.

 

[JaynaAli]

Goats tend to poop when the surface they're walking on changes too, in my experience. When we'd take our show goats out of the pen onto the concrete, they'd poop when their feet hit the hard ground. Like every time.

 

[finnickthedog]

Guys. Guys. I have to do surgery in 2 weeks.

I'm not ready. (I won't be ready until it's done).

Although tbh I think I'm more worried about the oral quiz beforehand than the actual surgery. I get nervous talking to the clinicians.

 

[SkiOtter]

Goats tend to poop when the surface they're walking on changes too, in my experience. When we'd take our show goats out of the pen onto the concrete, they'd poop when their feet hit the hard ground. Like every time.

This is basically my moms dog but pee and grass. Her feet hit the grass, she immediately pees. Even if she’s peed 5 minutes prior.

 

[Coopah]

Guys. Guys. I have to do surgery in 2 weeks.

I'm not ready. (I won't be ready until it's done).

Although tbh I think I'm more worried about the oral quiz beforehand than the actual surgery. I get nervous talking to the clinicians.

I have to do a spay on Monday, I'm right there with you. And I'm not nearly as nervous as some people so I respect your individual panic

 

[finnickthedog]

I have to do a spay on Monday, I'm right there with you. And I'm not nearly as nervous as some people so I respect your individual panic

I won't know if I have a spay or neuter until the afternoon before. Part of me wants a spay for the practice and part of me wants a neuter because it will be over so much faster.

 

[cdo96]

Guys. Guys. I have to do surgery in 2 weeks.

I'm not ready. (I won't be ready until it's done).

Although tbh I think I'm more worried about the oral quiz beforehand than the actual surgery. I get nervous talking to the clinicians.

Get to surgery*

My cadaver labs went very well, but I don’t get to cut a live animal until next semester because I’m a small animal person, and they have all of the LA people cut in the fall.

but no, I get your stress! It’s going to be great! You’ll be fantastic!

 

[cdo96]

It has come to my attention that schools teach canine neutering differently. We’re taught how to do both pre-scrotal and scrotal, but we have to do scrotal in the live dogs. Apparently this is not a nationwide thing??

 

[battie]

Our first junior surgery for my half of the class is November 5. Not sure if I'll be surgeon or not though

 

[vetmedhead]

Guys. Guys. I have to do surgery in 2 weeks.

I'm not ready. (I won't be ready until it's done).

Although tbh I think I'm more worried about the oral quiz beforehand than the actual surgery. I get nervous talking to the clinicians.

I'll be doing surgery too for all of next week! It'll be okay, we can flounder together lol

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

It has come to my attention that schools teach canine neutering differently. We’re taught how to do both pre-scrotal and scrotal, but we have to do scrotal in the live dogs. Apparently this is not a nationwide thing??

I'm pretty sure that we don't even neuter a live dog in my program, but I might be mistaken.

 

[cdo96]

I'm pretty sure that we don't even neuter a live dog in my program, but I might be mistaken.

Really??? That’s crazy!

 

[Coopah]

It has come to my attention that schools teach canine neutering differently. We’re taught how to do both pre-scrotal and scrotal, but we have to do scrotal in the live dogs. Apparently this is not a nationwide thing??

We do pre-scrotal depending on size. Super pediatric can be scrotal.

Also my cadaver lab for a spay they gave me a male cat so I feel very prepared.

 

[mmmdreamerz]

It has come to my attention that schools teach canine neutering differently. We’re taught how to do both pre-scrotal and scrotal, but we have to do scrotal in the live dogs. Apparently this is not a nationwide thing??

We do pre-scrotal. I’ve never even seen a scrotal approach on a dog.

 

[Karabiner13]

We do pre-scrotal. I’ve never even seen a scrotal approach on a dog.

You will on shelter rotation 🙂

 

[Lupin21]

I've taught the other vets in my practice the OKstate way (scrotal for all unless good reason not to) and they much prefer it. haha

 

[mmmdreamerz]

You will on shelter rotation 🙂

I almost tagged you in this asking you exactly this lol. Cool.

 

[ResoluteMike]

We aren't even getting any more dogs this semester so no dog spay for me. :-(

 

[Caiter92]

Get to surgery*

My cadaver labs went very well, but I don’t get to cut a live animal until next semester because I’m a small animal person, and they have all of the LA people cut in the fall.

but no, I get your stress! It’s going to be great! You’ll be fantastic!

*have to do surgery 😉

Not everyone wants to cut things up 😛

 

[Squeaksmom]

*have to do surgery 😉

Not everyone wants to cut things up 😛

I already did my 6 surgeries last year. Still hate it, and it still massively stresses me out! So now I get to do them again, in addition to whatever fourth year brings. I've already talked to a few clinics about opportunities for surgery-free positions (this isn't just me being difficult, I have a progressive hereditary tremor that I can't properly medicate... beta blockers vs asthma or barbiturates vs level of consciousness are the two accepted options) and I can't wait to get one!

 

[that redhead]

It has come to my attention that schools teach canine neutering differently. We’re taught how to do both pre-scrotal and scrotal, but we have to do scrotal in the live dogs. Apparently this is not a nationwide thing??

Huh. We learned pre-scrotal and that’s how everyone I know does them. My dog neuter we did a scrotal ablation though- they wanted us to learn how to do them just in case

 

[cdo96]

*have to do surgery 😉

Not everyone wants to cut things up 😛

I know, mine was a joke, obviously

 

[battie]

So, serious question: our class of 2020 has sent out a petition for our school to enact the SAVMA Duty Hours Guidelines, and I was curious on how other schools handle fourth year. Do your schools abide by these guidelines?

 

[PippyPony]

It has come to my attention that schools teach canine neutering differently. We’re taught how to do both pre-scrotal and scrotal, but we have to do scrotal in the live dogs. Apparently this is not a nationwide thing??

We don't even neuter dogs in third year I think at least some people get to do them on rotation...? I assume they are taught both approaches/required to know how to do both since iirc there are different indications.

(Can't complain though; I'll finish third year having done 3 cat spays, 2 dog spays, 10 cat neuters, and a calf castration. All live animals from local rescues, no cadavers or simulations.)

 

[Teepster87]

So, serious question: our class of 2020 has sent out a petition for our school to enact the SAVMA Duty Hours Guidelines, and I was curious on how other schools handle fourth year. Do your schools abide by these guidelines?

I'll have to read the document to be sure, but I believe that MSU is compliant with it

 

[cdo96]

We don't even neuter dogs in third year I think at least some people get to do them on rotation...? I assume they are taught both approaches/required to know how to do both since iirc there are different indications.

(Can't complain though; I'll finish third year having done 3 cat spays, 2 dog spays, 10 cat neuters, and a calf castration. All live animals from local rescues, no cadavers or simulations.)

We have 2 cadaver spays, 2 cadaver neuters. Once we finish the spay/ neuter we have an additional surgery of the day that we have to do on the cadaver, so we’ve done 4 celiotomies, 1 gastrotomy & gastropexy, 1 chest tube placement, 1 enterotomy & resection and anastomoses, 1 celiotomy, enucleation, temporary tarsorrhaphy, eyelid margin resection, simple dental extraction, and surgical dental extraction:

and then 5 live spays and 5 live neuters, usually dog, and these are from the local shelters as well!

 

[PippyPony]

Exam tomorrow is craaaazyyyy

I've been taking notes for almost 48 hours straight and can't feel my fingers

 

[Teepster87]

We have 2 cadaver spays, 2 cadaver neuters. Once we finish the spay/ neuter we have an additional surgery of the day that we have to do on the cadaver, so we’ve done 4 celiotomies, 1 gastrotomy & gastropexy, 1 chest tube placement, 1 enterotomy & resection and anastomoses, 1 celiotomy, enucleation, temporary tarsorrhaphy, eyelid margin resection, simple dental extraction, and surgical dental extraction:

and then 5 live spays and 5 live neuters, usually dog, and these are from the local shelters as well!

That's alot more live surgeries than we get. Is that all per group, or per person?

 

[cdo96]

That's alot more live surgeries than we get. Is that all per group, or per person?

Actually I was mistaken. We get 3 live surgeries each, for both spay and neuter as the primary surgeon, and then 3 as the assistant surgeon, per person!

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

We do neuters first year

 

[finnickthedog]

Actually I was mistaken. We get 3 live surgeries each, for both spay and neuter as the primary surgeon, and then 3 as the assistant surgeon, per person!

Nice. We only get one as a primary surgeon (and then one as an assistant and one as an anesthetist). As much as I'm not looking forward to my first surgery, I do want more surgical experience and I feel like a second one would be substantially less terrifying than the first. Ah well, at least I've got clinics for getting some more surgeries.

 

[SkiOtter]

We do neuters first year

Really??? Is that part of your curriculum or stuff through a club????

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

Really??? Is that part of your curriculum or stuff through a club????

We are learning surgical skills as part of curriculum currently and at the end of the semester are qualified to neuter, through clubs or whichever means

 

[SkiOtter]

We are learning surgical skills as part of curriculum currently and at the end of the semester are qualified to neuter, through clubs or whichever means

Ahhh you were making it seem like actually neutering was part of your curriculum and everyone did them first year, not just that you were allowed to neuter if the opportunity presented itself. I know illinois has some opportunities for students to neuter first year outside of school too. I’m sure others do too

 

[that redhead]

If it makes anyone feel better, I didn’t do any additional surgeries outside the curriculum because I didn’t think i was going into GP work. I did one dog spay, one dog neuter and maybe three cat spays/neuters through my rotations and ended up in GP feeling woefully underprepared but I’ve still managed 🙂 If you know you want to do GP or surgery type work, there can be a ton of opportunities through rotations to build your confidence so I wouldn’t fret too much over what you get in junior surgery.

 

[battie]

Sound like they may flip our groups and our first surgery may in fact be next Tuesday

Edit: nope, clinician misspoke.

 

[Lupin21]

OKState has half of a goat castration for first years built in, which is fun. haha (meaning everyone gets to do at least one testicle.)