oh goodness this happened last semester. My friend had a dog that had beautifully dissected (and the Latex was perfect) pelvic arteries, nerves, and veins. My professor herself had said that she would put that dog on the practical. The night before the exam we went up to study and everything was mangled and destroyed. It was a nightmare.
Haha that's a good idea. Ours just likes to say "why have you done this" followed by "perhaps you can practice your suturing technique. The suture materials are in the drawer over there"
Oh interesting. You inject everything with latex?
Why are you prosecuting poor dead animals? 😱
Ugh that's awful. Our dissection quality also mattered for our dissection grade, if things were hacked (whether by us or a mystery person), you risk losing points.
lol I didn't even think of that. I think the only thing I did was accidentally snap one of our phrenic nerves. Everything it ran through was still intact though so it wasn't lost forever. Overall our dissections were pretty good. Some groups had cadavers that looked professionally done though.
Our cadavers came with every vessel filled with latex (blue for a vein, red for an artery). Made life easier, for sure, since some of those vessel walls are so incredibly thin after the preservation process.
All of our dogs arteries were injected with red latex. We had prosections with veins injected with blue and about half the cadaver dogs were as well. Was so nice haha
Omg waaaant
I don’t think I get anything out of dissections. I am dreading oral exams because I can’t identify anything on the real animal. We do dissections without any anatomy lectures so it’s pretty much a s***-show when we are in lab, then they expect us to know it all! If it wasn’t for our dissection videos and VIN 3D anatomy I wouldn’t know anything about anatomy.
...and this is the part where I remember vin 3D anatomy is a thing. And is helpful. Thank youuuu 🙂
Latex definitely helped, but was also a huge PITA if you're highly allergic like me...
If it makes you feel better, we had anatomy lectures and our labs were still a sh** show. we had a different professor than @batsenecal does now, though.
Our professors would destroy stuff all the time, mainly because they would look at it and realize you were never going to see XYZ thing you needed to see with some portion of other XYZ thing intact. We usually didn't worry too much about it. Some structures they would tell us to look at and appreciate briefly before we just yanked the whole thing off so we could see something else better. Occasionally there were things we had spent a ton of time dissecting that we realized later was totally not necessary to dissect out at all, and these things were rightfully destroyed or abandoned so we could get to what was actually important.
Just keep spritzin' just keep spritzin'
auto correct man, gets me every time
I think it's behind a pay wall now? At least, that's what I heard from some classmates. But agreed, we used to use it a lot 🙁
Agreed. It's kind of built into it already because if you destroy something you're supposed to know or don't fully dissect it out...that is going to be problematic when you try to learn it haha
For us, the grading was moreso to make sure every group actually dissected. I guess in the past before the grading, people would just spend the entire lab period studying the proesctions or mooching off other groups.
Halp. Lol
Unfortunately it takes a lot of money to keep it up and running (not to mention hosting it online) and I think the creators were running into a lot of problems where people were using it but not contributing any money toward the project, or people who got a copy and illegally shared it with a ton of other people. I know the professor who runs it once mentioned that at one point he was getting several emails a week from people gushing and thanking him for making the program... from people who never purchased it and didn't even realize it was something they even could purchase or donate to. I do think the VCA is slightly different from a lot of other anatomy resources in that it is much more interactive, constantly updated, and represents years worth of work on the part of those involved, and I think it was probably frustrating to them knowing that it couldn't be improved further without more monetary buy in from those using it. I wonder if putting it behind a paywall was just the next step in the program development process for them, but I'm not sure.
I think she was saying they don't have to dissect them out themselves, not that they don't have to know them...right? Please say that's right lolAnd coop, as per usual I'm crying inside from you saying you don't have to know nerves & vessels.
Yeah I mean that is totally fair. I can't even imagine the time and effort that was put into that, let alone server costs. I just wish our school would like, include subscriptions in our tuition cost or something. Or build one of our own, but that seems redundant.
I had no idea there was even a payment option before
This is actually reminding me, we have one anatomy professor who loved breaking random things while he would give more practical anatomy demonstrations (things like "this is where'd you'd place a tracheostomy tube and why" sort of presentations). He loved sneaking up on dissectors and starting his demos without warning... including performing spontaneous tracheostomies on unsuspecting canine cadavers
If I'm reading it right, it's $30. Not sure if that's a recurring subscription cost or a one time thing, but if it's the latter that's cheaper than any anatomy text. And also more helpful.
Current price from what I can see is $30 for the flash drive with VCA 3.0 on it. Not sure how or when it would be delivered (since it's mainly purchased by first years or undergrads/grads in their respective undergrad anatomy classes).
It should be a one time cost to just buy the flash drive with the program downloaded onto it, from my understanding. I could probably ask the professor about it on Monday, he teaches our neurobiology course this semester.
That's not a bad price at all. I mean people buy a ton of stuff to try and learn anatomy-expensive flashcards, coloring books, etc. Everyone knows this program is extremely helpful so it's worth it imo.
I think she mentioned on snap that they do their anatomy in blocks, so they're in their musculoskeletal block right now (and thusly just learning muscles and bones and that sort of thing right now) and they'll have their Nerves & Vessels block later in the semester.
That's what I figured. Nerves in their neuro block.
Nerve block. Heh.
I used CSU’s virtual anatomy all the time. And then Minnesota/ Wisconsin/ some North school’s brain anatomy.
hmph. I’m angry now! I don’t know!! (We were soooo bad.)
Probably in your account preferences
I mean vin anatomy would work too
And coop, as per usual I'm crying inside from you saying you don't have to know nerves & vessels.
Yes we still have to know them! Lol, it's definitely a condensed version of what's clinically relevant but it's all done during prosection and not something we have to dissect ourselves.
