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hintofblue said:
SOV talked about this earlier, but cleared people haven't been revealed in order to prevent them from being wolf targets. However, their cleared status absolutely would be revealed if they came up for lynching.
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But I don't understand this....the wolves already know who aren't wolves. Doesn't this only help villagers narrow it down to actually lynch a wolf? I'm not saying roles and stuff should be mentioned as that obviously would benefit the wolves. Sorry if this is stupid but I just don't understand this reasoning.
 
Philliab said:
But I don't understand this....the wolves already know who aren't wolves. Doesn't this only help villagers narrow it down to actually lynch a wolf? I'm not saying roles and stuff should be mentioned as that obviously would benefit the wolves. Sorry if this is stupid but I just don't understand this reasoning.
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Wolves save themselves by manipulating other villagers to think a villager is a wolf. It's harder to do that if the villager has been cleared (deemed a villager) by a seer of some sort, as the wolves are unable to twist it around. Thus most of the time they get rid of them since they can't be used to protect the wolves.
 
cuitlamiztli said:
SOV did talk to us about using the revolver. And I don't have a problem with posting the cleared list 👍
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Uugghh y'all are killing me. I just want a for sure lynch this time so we can get a real bad guy! Why sheeps though why you're suspicions. I wish I could have discovered who killed nordicat! For now, I will unlynch SOV but I still intrigued as to why you all were suspicious about sheeps in the first place.
 
nohika said:
Wolves save themselves by manipulating other villagers to think a villager is a wolf. It's harder to do that if the villager has been cleared (deemed a villager) by a seer of some sort, as the wolves are unable to twist it around. Thus most of the time they get rid of them since they can't be used to protect the wolves.
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So you're saying that SOV is a wolf and doesn't want the list posted in order to prevent people knowing that. Correct?
 
Philliab said:
So you're saying that SOV is a wolf and doesn't want the list posted in order to prevent people knowing that. Correct?
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The way I read that (and my own thought) is:

Cleared villagers are targets for wolves, because the wolves cannot throw suspicion on them. Therefore, the wolves might as well kill them and keep non-cleared people around.
 
hintofblue said:
The way I read that (and my own thought) is:

Cleared villagers are targets for wolves, because the wolves cannot throw suspicion on them. Therefore, the wolves might as well kill them and keep non-cleared people around.
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This. They can't throw suspicion on the cleared people (thus when they reveal they've been cleared, they're targets). Giving out that list benefits the wolves immensely.
 
hintofblue said:
The way I read that (and my own thought) is:

Cleared villagers are targets for wolves, because the wolves cannot throw suspicion on them. Therefore, the wolves might as well kill them and keep non-cleared people around.
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That actually makes some sense to me. Thank you 🙂
 
Philliab said:
But I don't understand this....the wolves already know who aren't wolves. Doesn't this only help villagers narrow it down to actually lynch a wolf? I'm not saying roles and stuff should be mentioned as that obviously would benefit the wolves. Sorry if this is stupid but I just don't understand this reasoning.
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Checking in once before bed (i really can't resist)...

Nohika explained this well.

I will just add it this way: (and I have explained this in previous games, i am not just making this up)

Early in a game, a cleared list is just a target list for wolves because they don't want you to trust anyone. So it is best to keep cleared players a secret.

At the end of the game, there are fewer targets, so it is imperative to get as much info out as possible. So at this point it is best to know who are the cleared players.

Therefore there is some point where the benefit of not giving wolves a target is overcome by the need to narrow down targets. That is somewhere in the middle of the game.

It might be a little early, but I am certainly willing to release, but remember it has only been a few nights, so the list is not long yet. Obviously roles would not be revealed when/if known.

Be back tomorrow. G'night.

So there isus
 
Thanks, SOV. That makes total sense. Obviously, I didn't understand the strategy in regards to the timing. If others feel the list isn't imperative to know at this point, I'm content to wait as well.

But I do want to hear why the Kitchen is so suspicious of sheepdog.
 
Philliab said:
Thanks, SOV. That makes total sense. Obviously, I didn't understand the strategy in regards to the timing. If others feel the list isn't imperative to know at this point, I'm content to wait as well.

But I do want to hear why the Kitchen is so suspicious of sheepdog.
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You learned strategy you can use in future WW games; always handy. 🙂 And the list is shorter than usual because I did have a slight case of death, so I won't post it until majority thinks we need to.

There was some discussion about shooting Sheepdog. The mayor is usually a good target for conversion in these games, and there have been a couple of nights where it seemed a conversion might've happened.
 
Got distracted watching Forrest Gump so I had a bit of catching up to do.

I was a little confused as to why you would keep the list within your room as well, but that explanation makes a lot of sense. You'd think after playing several of these games that I would have picked up on things like this, but nope.
 
Ivorypolarbear said:
There was some discussion about shooting Sheepdog. The mayor is usually a good target for conversion in these games, and there have been a couple of nights where it seemed a conversion might've happened.
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Ok, but anyone could have been converted. Why did you guys agree to target Sheep? Not that you have to answer to me, of course, but that explanation is pretty weak.
 
Philliab said:
So you're saying that SOV is a wolf and doesn't want the list posted in order to prevent people knowing that. Correct?
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One thing: Giving out good strategy does not make one a villager. Worth keeping in mind.

And I'm not really buying the "Sheep is the mayor, therefore he's a good conversion target" argument. I think people who are supposedly cleared are MUCH better conversion targets. For example, IPB in this game would be a good conversion target post-resurrection.

SOV would be a good conversion target, because people assume villager-ness just because he resurrected IPB.

Etc.
 
Whew, just got home and got caught up on the thread. SOV told me he thought that Sheep had been converted and that he was going to shoot him. I didn't get the PM until just now because I have been gone all evening. I don't think Sheep has been converted so I told him I wasn't sure he should use it.
 
Lissarae06 said:
Whew, just got home and got caught up on the thread. SOV told me he thought that Sheep had been converted and that he was going to shoot him. I didn't get the PM until just now because I have been gone all evening. I don't think Sheep has been converted so I told him I wasn't sure he should use it.
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I'm just not getting the whole 'why'. SOV is usually less willing to attack someone on a pure hunch like that with no other evidence. Especially the mayor. Which means that SOV had reason. Except that if that were the case SOV ought to throw the reason out so that we can lynch Sheep.

The alternative, of course, is that SOV is a wolf.

I dunno. Until I get a better explanation, it just isn't adding up.

lynch SOV

 
LetItSnow said:
I'm just not getting the whole 'why'. SOV is usually less willing to attack someone on a pure hunch like that with no other evidence. Especially the mayor. Which means that SOV had reason. Except that if that were the case SOV ought to throw the reason out so that we can lynch Sheep.

The alternative, of course, is that SOV is a wolf.

I dunno. Until I get a better explanation, it just isn't adding up.

lynch SOV
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Definitely something to think about. Looks like everyone else has gone to bed. I'm going to wait until the morning to cast my vote in case anything else comes out in the mean time. Good night! 😴
 
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:corny: Wow a lot has happened...this is even more amusing than attempting to study for finals.

Lynch that wolf villagers!
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It really was a good night to die. :laugh: Ordered some tasty pizza and went to see Hunger Games w/the hubs! I'll admit it...I cried a bit when Rue died. 🙁 So sad! Anyway, I'm enjoying this from the sidelines! :corny:
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I'm off to bed. I have to work in the morning until about 11:30 PST, so if I'm not around, that's why. It's childcare, so if I can't make it online to vote, I apologize - it'll depend on how many kiddos we have. 😳
 
I am definitely still confused as to why SOV went after Sheeps with the revolver without any clear evidence against him knowing that it would kill him. It doesn't make much sense. And I am hoping - SOV - you will provide your reasoning for this other than you had a hunch.

Seeing as Sheeps has not been cleared yet as far as I know he would not be the best conversion target - yes a lot of times the mayor (host in this game) is targeted for conversion as they are usually investigated first. I have asked a few times in the thread for Sheeps to be investigated, but doesn't seem to have happened yet at least from what I gather. Could he be a wolf? Definitely, but why not investigate him to find out especially since you have the seer at your disposal before shooting him??? 😕
 
Just got up. We are having thunderstorms right now with some of the loudest thunder I have ever heard (being an Oklahoma native, that says a lot). There is a very good chance that I could lose power at any moment so if I disappear all of the sudden, that's probably why.
 
devyn said:
Definitely, but why not investigate him to find out especially since you have the seer at your disposal before shooting him??? 😕
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:thumbsup: this is why I am all the more suspicious
 
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This is getting exciting! Good luck villagers!!!!
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devyn said:
I am definitely still confused as to why SOV went after Sheeps with the revolver without any clear evidence against him knowing that it would kill him. It doesn't make much sense. And I am hoping - SOV - you will provide your reasoning for this other than you had a hunch.

Seeing as Sheeps has not been cleared yet as far as I know he would not be the best conversion target - yes a lot of times the mayor (host in this game) is targeted for conversion as they are usually investigated first. I have asked a few times in the thread for Sheeps to be investigated, but doesn't seem to have happened yet at least from what I gather. Could he be a wolf? Definitely, but why not investigate him to find out especially since you have the seer at your disposal before shooting him??? 😕
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For the record, the decision to shoot Sheep was not unanimous. We know that the revolver killed wildcatj on Night 4, for goodness' sake! SOV was convinced, though, and in the end he was the one with the revolver.
 
Hmm. I would really like to know how SOV was "convinced." Using an item that you know for a fact KILLS would require pretty solid evidence to use, especially on the host. I'm leaning toward lynching SOV right now, but will hold off until he speaks up.
 
Ivorypolarbear said:
For the record, the decision to shoot Sheep was not unanimous. We know that the revolver killed wildcatj on Night 4, for goodness' sake! SOV was convinced, though, and in the end he was the one with the revolver.
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Ok so we have an hour to decide this lynch! Where the heck is SOV and everyone else for that matter?!

Also Ivory - is there any reason you have to investigated Sheeps yet?
 
devyn said:
Ok so we have an hour to decide this lynch! Where the heck is SOV and everyone else for that matter?!

Also Ivory - is there any reason you have to investigated Sheeps yet?
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This should say - is there any reason you have not investigated Sheeps yet?

stupid no editing and my finals brain :laugh:
 
Hey guys.. Had a tough night, but it looks like not much has been discussed (waiting for me perhaps?🙂).

lynch sheepie

Here is what I can say in my defense, and I am not willing to provide any more.

I know for a fact that there was a conversion.
I was told that there is a 50/50 chance that sheepie was the one converted.

I will take a 50/50 chance to kill a wolf EVERY DAY!
Honestly I figured, if sheepie was a wolf, then I am a hero.

If not, well, sheepie would be dead but it would still be worth the risk. Didn't think I would have to explain myself, but talked with certain non-wolves in my group to let them know what I was doing (without giving them details) to cover my *ss. Obviously they weren't gungho about it (as is clear from their posts now), but I was. The fault, if any, is mine.

Between me and the source of my info, I'd prefer that I get lynched as my role is already used up. I don't think we want to lose a conversion detector.

I still want to lynch sheepie because I still think the 50/50 chance is worth it. Wish he were dead so we knew one way or the other.

If it wasn't him, then we still have a confirmed conversion now.

Off to lunch (yes, again... i do like my foods, hey I am well placed in the kitchen).
 
Well at this point, we have no additional info or other leads for the lynch vote today, and I've got too much to do to check in on this thread for a bit. So I'm putting in my vote. I'll try to check in before the deadline, but for now...

lynch SOV
 
devyn said:
Ok so we have an hour to decide this lynch! Where the heck is SOV and everyone else for that matter?!

Also Ivory - is there any reason you have to investigated Sheeps yet?
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You mean *haven't* investigated yet? 😉 I'm trying to go about my investigations systematically. When I've asked my group for suspicions, other names have come up more often than Sheeps.
 
Ivorypolarbear said:
You mean *haven't* investigated yet? 😉 I'm trying to go about my investigations systematically. When I've asked my group for suspicions, other names have come up more often than Sheeps.
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Ok it is just odd to me. I mean it is usually the first person to investigate in WW games, so I just find it a little weird that we are not investigating him. And there doesn't seem to be an item to use, so you are the only person we can look to to do it.
 
StartingoverVet said:
Hey guys.. Had a tough night, but it looks like not much has been discussed (waiting for me perhaps?🙂).

lynch sheepie

Here is what I can say in my defense, and I am not willing to provide any more.

I know for a fact that there was a conversion.
I was told that there is a 50/50 chance that sheepie was the one converted.

I will take a 50/50 chance to kill a wolf EVERY DAY!
Honestly I figured, if sheepie was a wolf, then I am a hero.

If not, well, sheepie would be dead but it would still be worth the risk. Didn't think I would have to explain myself, but talked with certain non-wolves in my group to let them know what I was doing (without giving them details) to cover my *ss. Obviously they weren't gungho about it (as is clear from their posts now), but I was. The fault, if any, is mine.

Between me and the source of my info, I'd prefer that I get lynched as my role is already used up. I don't think we want to lose a conversion detector.

I still want to lynch sheepie because I still think the 50/50 chance is worth it. Wish he were dead so we knew one way or the other.

If it wasn't him, then we still have a confirmed conversion now.

Off to lunch (yes, again... i do like my foods, hey I am well placed in the kitchen).
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SOV, if this is true you really should have told us this before! How do you know your source is telling the truth--are they on the cleared list?

I don't know what to believe. 😕 If SOV is telling the truth, then either Sheep is a wolf, his source is a wolf, or his source was right and we have an unknown wolf. If he isn't, then SOV is a wolf? 😕 Ugh, too many possible wolves!
 
StartingoverVet said:
Off to lunch (yes, again... i do like my foods, hey I am well placed in the kitchen).
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"And monkey's brains, though popular in Cantonese cuisine, are not often to be found in Washington D.C. "
"Is that what we ate???"

~Wadsworth, Clue movie quote 🙂
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I am very confused with this whole SOV/sheepie/conversion detector thing. This is the first I am hearing of it, and that is what everyone else in the kitchen is saying as well.
 
I don't know what else to do and there is too much suspicion there, so....

Lynch SOV
 
StartingoverVet said:
Hey guys.. Had a tough night, but it looks like not much has been discussed (waiting for me perhaps?🙂).

lynch sheepie

Here is what I can say in my defense, and I am not willing to provide any more.

I know for a fact that there was a conversion.
I was told that there is a 50/50 chance that sheepie was the one converted.

I will take a 50/50 chance to kill a wolf EVERY DAY!
Honestly I figured, if sheepie was a wolf, then I am a hero.

If not, well, sheepie would be dead but it would still be worth the risk. Didn't think I would have to explain myself, but talked with certain non-wolves in my group to let them know what I was doing (without giving them details) to cover my *ss. Obviously they weren't gungho about it (as is clear from their posts now), but I was. The fault, if any, is mine.

Between me and the source of my info, I'd prefer that I get lynched as my role is already used up. I don't think we want to lose a conversion detector.

I still want to lynch sheepie because I still think the 50/50 chance is worth it. Wish he were dead so we knew one way or the other.

If it wasn't him, then we still have a confirmed conversion now.

Off to lunch (yes, again... i do like my foods, hey I am well placed in the kitchen).
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This really makes no sense - I definitely think there was most likely a conversion at some point in this game as we are quite a few nights in by now and it was bound to happen. But how would any person be able to tell you that there is a 50% chance that Sheeps was the converted wolf. I am just not buying it. It would be great if that were the case, but where are they getting their information. Are they a rogue wolf???

How exactly does a conversion detector work? Care to explain at least that without naming names?

And since you can only talk with people inside the kitchen (unless you are a wolf) then who the heck is it since everyone seems to be clueless on thread here.
 
LetItSnow said:
I moved NStarz using the rope, which is why NStarz is silenced. Don't know if other ways of moving people also silence or not, but ....
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I don't really know at this point - I don't remember if the knife or whatever it was silenced the person or not.
 
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