MD & DO co'21 Residency Panic thread

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We're already in contract. The appraisal got done 3 weeks after they accepted our offer. The sellers can't back out, legally speaking, without leaving themselves open to litigation. Now we can back out any time we like, but we'd have to forfeit our earnest money/deposit.
We have absolutely nothing to lose by asking them to renegotiate...they can say "no way, José" or they can open a dialogue and be reasonable.
We also discussed this with our lender and real estate agent and have formally disputed the appraisal and are asking for them to include more recent/favorable comps in the appraisal.
Of course if we back out the sellers can put it back on the market, but in all likelihood, they've put an offer on a house they're in contract on which is contingent upon closing on their current home. Everybody wins if they are reasonable and see that comparable homes aren't appraising anywhere near what they thought their home was worth.
What I'm saying is if you ask for them to eat the whole 47k, or even a large portion of it, then they will say no and either you eat it or it goes back on the market. Obviously you can ask. But I would proceed with caution.

Or don't and see what happens, but don't say you weren't warned

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We're already in contract. The appraisal got done 3 weeks after they accepted our offer. The sellers can't back out, legally speaking, without leaving themselves open to litigation. Now we can back out any time we like, but we'd have to forfeit our earnest money/deposit.
We have absolutely nothing to lose by asking them to renegotiate...they can say "no way, José" or they can open a dialogue and be reasonable.
We also discussed this with our lender and real estate agent and have formally disputed the appraisal and are asking for them to include more recent/favorable comps in the appraisal.
Of course if we back out the sellers can put it back on the market, but in all likelihood, they've put an offer on a house they're in contract on which is contingent upon closing on their current home. Everybody wins if they are reasonable and see that comparable homes aren't appraising anywhere near what they thought their home was worth.
I just sold my house and would be very cautious with believing they can’t pull. They are only under contract for the agreed upon offer. They can say they won’t budge on the accepted offer and ask you to pay cash covering the rest over what the appraisal is.

They aren’t obligated to sell you the house for the appraisal price, only the offer price.
 
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We're already in contract. The appraisal got done 3 weeks after they accepted our offer. The sellers can't back out, legally speaking, without leaving themselves open to litigation. Now we can back out any time we like, but we'd have to forfeit our earnest money/deposit.
We have absolutely nothing to lose by asking them to renegotiate...they can say "no way, José" or they can open a dialogue and be reasonable.
We also discussed this with our lender and real estate agent and have formally disputed the appraisal and are asking for them to include more recent/favorable comps in the appraisal.
Of course if we back out the sellers can put it back on the market, but in all likelihood, they've put an offer on a house they're in contract on which is contingent upon closing on their current home. Everybody wins if they are reasonable and see that comparable homes aren't appraising anywhere near what they thought their home was worth.
It really depends on. Did you waive your appraisal contingency? If you did not, then you can negotiate, if the seller does not agree, you can walk and lose your earnest money. If you waive it and you can’t come up with the difference, you walk then seller can sue you. But I was told the chance of suing is low. In this case it is not about the seller walking or breaking the contract because they are making ****load of money more than what the house is worth. It is more about you whether you can legally back out of the contract or make up the difference. 40K is a lot so I assume you don’t want to. You can also request and pay for a second appraisal if you don’t think this is not correct and negotiate with seller. But they may not agree, and it is important for you to talk to an real estate attorney if you can legally back out.
 
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Southeast, and anesthesiology.

Honestly, it's a great location and near family. If I'm lucky enough to find a job here after residency, I can see us staying in this house for a while.
I swear if it’s a certain three story with French doors I will hate you forever.
 
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It really depends on. Did you waive your appraisal contingency? If you did not, then you can negotiate, if the seller does not agree, you can walk and lose your earnest money. If you waive it and you can’t come up with the difference, you walk then seller can sue you. But I was told the chance of suing is low. In this case it is not about the seller walking or breaking the contract because they are making ****load of money more than what the house is worth. It is more about you whether you can legally back out of the contract or make up the difference. 40K is a lot so I assume you don’t want to. You can also request and pay for a second appraisal if you don’t think this is not correct and negotiate with seller. But they may not agree, and it is important for you to talk to an real estate attorney if you can legally back out.
This is the 4th home we've owned....we're pretty familiar with the process and we've already spoken to our lender and attorney to make sure of our legal options and potential liabilities. We can not force them to renegotiate, only ask and see if they're willing to work with us. If they do great. If not, well at least we asked and then we'll have to decide where to go from there. We formally asked for another appraisal or an addended appraisal including more recent comps (the ones used were from last summer....a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MARKET). So time will tell.
 
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I just sold my house and would be very cautious with believing they can’t pull. They are only under contract for the agreed upon offer. They can say they won’t budge on the accepted offer and ask you to pay cash covering the rest over what the appraisal is.

They aren’t obligated to sell you the house for the appraisal price, only the offer price.
yes....we're quite aware. But they can't pull out of the deal unless we tell them we'll only pay the appraised value, which is not something we've told them we'd do nor is it something we would do for that matter. We can only ask if they're open to renegotiating....we can not force them to do a thing. If they're agreeable then great. If not then we have to decide if we want to forfeit our earnest money and back out or just pony up the cash to pay the appraisal gap.
 
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I am so nervous about closing... like I feel our real estate agent was super attentive until we were under contract and since then has been MIA. We don't have all the necessary funds in one account, so I'm really hoping this is not a sticking point. I also suspect we overpaid (the condo sold for half about 10 years ago). I guess unless we want to walk away from our deposit, there's no looking back now!
 
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So the sellers agreed to drop the price $5,500. The contract pride addendum has been ratified by all parties. Now we're waiting to hear if our dispute to the appraisal will raise the value. Fingers crossed!
 
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So the sellers agreed to drop the price $5,500. The contract pride addendum has been ratified by all parties. Now we're waiting to hear if our dispute to the appraisal will raise the value. Fingers crossed!
So you are still at ~42K gap? Good luck. Lets us know how it goes. This market sucks.
 
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So you are still at ~42K gap? Good luck. Lets us know how it goes. This market sucks.
Yup. 41.5. Sucks indeed. We have the money.....we own the house we're in outright and are selling it for 115K. We'd just like to pay as little of the gap as possible and have that money work for use elsewhere at a higher interest rate.
 
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Yup. 41.5. Sucks indeed. We have the money.....we own the house we're in outright and are selling it for 115K. We'd just like to pay as little of the gap as possible and have that money work for use elsewhere at a higher interest rate.
How much do you love the house? Are you considering back out or can you? That is a lot of money to cover. Idk about your area but it seems like few areas are cooling down.
 
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How much do you love the house? Are you considering back out or can you? That is a lot of money to cover. Idk about your area but it seems like few areas are cooling down.
I doubt we'll back out. Not really much time to find a new place and close in time before orientation starts. And the market is still crazy there with even less inventory than when we looked last month.
 
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I doubt we'll back out. Not really much time to find a new place and close in time before orientation starts. And the market is still crazy there with even less inventory than when we looked last month.
😱 you must be in a very hot area. My area definitely is slowing down which makes me feel like I should have waited. I over paid my house by 5.7% too. Good luck. Hope it will work out.
 
😱 you must be in a very hot area. My area definitely is slowing down which makes me feel like I should have waited. I over paid my house by 5.7% too. Good luck. Hope it will work out.
Thanks man. You too.
 
Yup. 41.5. Sucks indeed. We have the money.....we own the house we're in outright and are selling it for 115K. We'd just like to pay as little of the gap as possible and have that money work for use elsewhere at a higher interest rate.

We just paid a gap of 25k for ours so we totally understand. Our appraisal gap was included in our offer though. Our here without stating an appraisal gap in the offer you don’t stand a chance. It is actually the only way we beat out 27 other offers was we had the highest appraisal gap but we love the house and it was in the area we wanted for our kids. This market is NUTS
 
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We just paid a gap of 25k for ours so we totally understand. Our appraisal gap was included in our offer though. Our here without stating an appraisal gap in the offer you don’t stand a chance. It is actually the only way we beat out 27 other offers was we had the highest appraisal gap but we love the house and it was in the area we wanted for our kids. This market is NUTS
Yup, we graduated in a worst time to start the next chapter: residency and house purchase.
 
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Well, officially our Match slipped further down their rank lists than before. A big decrease in the percent matching #1, and increase in the percent matching 5+. This despite any effect of increased home program matching due to virtual interviews and loss of auditions.
 
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Well, officially our Match slipped further down their rank lists than before. A big decrease in the percent matching #1, and increase in the percent matching 5+. This despite any effect of increased home program matching due to virtual interviews and loss of auditions.
What are the percentages from previous years?
 
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Look carefully because the 2021 graphic has MD and DO side by side, and the 2020 graphic has MD side by side with independent applicants, and then DO side by side with independent applicants.
Yeah seems like all around worse stats this year by a couple percentage points. Hard to say what that’s due to but it’s possible the corona craziness played a role. Or maybe just relatively more applicants.
 
Yeah seems like all around worse stats this year by a couple percentage points. Hard to say what that’s due to but it’s possible the corona craziness played a role. Or maybe just relatively more applicants.
Definitely due to corona. The relative number of applicants increased this year at the same magnitude that it has always increased. Whereas the relative drop in % who match first, second, third, etc dropped by far more than the previous trend.

PDs that advocate for the virtual interview format to remain do so out of pure laziness and greed.
 
I have a question for those who have to move from the West to the East coast. Which is a better solution for transportation - buy a car or move your car to the East coast? This may be a naive question.
 
I have a question for those who have to move from the West to the East coast. Which is a better solution for transportation - buy a car or move your car to the East coast? This may be a naive question.
Depend on your situation: If you don't have a lot of stuff, you can tow your car by packing your stuff in the cars and flight over. If you have a lot of stuff, then drive over. Can you drive long distances? Anyone, to help you? When you have to be there etc.
 
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I have a question for those who have to move from the West to the East coast. Which is a better solution for transportation - buy a car or move your car to the East coast? This may be a naive question.
Definitely depends on a bunch of things. Frenchyn hit a few, but also - is it a good match for the weather where you’re going, is it in good shape, and is it paid off? I would definitely keep a paid off car that is in good condition - unless it was a sports car and I was going somewhere with snow, or some circumstance like that.

No reason to get a car payment in residency if you don’t have to.
 
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Depend on your situation: If you don't have a lot of stuff, you can tow your car by packing your stuff in the cars and flight over. If you have a lot of stuff, then drive over. Can you drive long distances? Anyone, to help you? When you have to be there etc.
Thanks. I hope to match in California next year, but I have to apply broadly as a DO student. I definitely want to keep the car if I have to move across the state.
 
What’s everyone starting on? I have IM first and feel very unprepared
 
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Starting on CT surg for me. Which mean CTICU basically, definitely kind of nervous.
 
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Starting on vascular, and all ik is amputations 0_0. Constantly shifting between excited to start and nervous AF
 
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1st month is in the ED....a bootcamp and lots of intro stuff and some team building exercises. 2nd month is ortho.
 
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I'm starting on ICU myself. A bit nervous for sure. But excited too
 
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Any non-surgical interns here opting not to get disability insurance their first year? I'm a single guy, no kids about to start IM. was pitched about disability insurance but decided to hold off this first year until I get everything else set up. Reconsider for pgy2. Am I crazy? I feel like people talk about disability insurance like it's mandatory.
 
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Any non-surgical interns here opting not to get disability insurance their first year? I'm a single guy, no kids about to start IM. was pitched about disability insurance but decided to hold off this first year until I get everything else set up. Reconsider for pgy2. Am I crazy? I feel like people talk about disability insurance like it's mandatory.
I just have the basic whatever the residency supplies.
 
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Any non-surgical interns here opting not to get disability insurance their first year? I'm a single guy, no kids about to start IM. was pitched about disability insurance but decided to hold off this first year until I get everything else set up. Reconsider for pgy2. Am I crazy? I feel like people talk about disability insurance like it's mandatory.
It's however much risk tolerance you want to have. You could get a "smaller" policy just for peace of mind. Not sure if your program offers multiple options though.
 
Any non-surgical interns here opting not to get disability insurance their first year? I'm a single guy, no kids about to start IM. was pitched about disability insurance but decided to hold off this first year until I get everything else set up. Reconsider for pgy2. Am I crazy? I feel like people talk about disability insurance like it's mandatory.
I got it. As an IM resident my monthly premiums are pretty low and the companies don't require a physical or labs if you're a resident. This is theoretically the healthiest I'll ever be so I opted for it.
 
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I got it. As an IM resident my monthly premiums are pretty low and the companies don't require a physical or labs if you're a resident. This is theoretically the healthiest I'll ever be so I opted for it.
Ditto. For us they only don't require health questionnaire/ check if you sign up for life/ disability insurance when you initially choose your benefits. I've been told as a pregnant person no one in their right mind would sell me either a life insurance or disability insurance policy if I had to disclose my current health state. So for me, better to just sign up for them initially in case, God forbid, things go sideways with the delivery and my spouse ends up being the only breadwinner and dealing with the fallout from a much too high US maternal mortality rate.
 
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Decided to look up this thread and say good luck to my ERAS panic fam. Looks like they renamed the thread and that freaking rocks. I CAN NOT BELIEVE I MATCHED INTO SURGERY. It’s gonna be a HELL of a ride.
 
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I got it. As an IM resident my monthly premiums are pretty low and the companies don't require a physical or labs if you're a resident. This is theoretically the healthiest I'll ever be so I opted for it.

Ditto. For us they only don't require health questionnaire/ check if you sign up for life/ disability insurance when you initially choose your benefits. I've been told as a pregnant person no one in their right mind would sell me either a life insurance or disability insurance policy if I had to disclose my current health state. So for me, better to just sign up for them initially in case, God forbid, things go sideways with the delivery and my spouse ends up being the only breadwinner and dealing with the fallout from a much too high US maternal mortality rate.

Did you guys get DI separate from what your residency provides in their benefits packages? We have orientation next week and that's when we pick our benefit packages and they offer short term disability that I plan to get through the program. I was initially asking about separate insurance from a private seller/insurance place. I don't plan to get life insurance as I'm not married and have zero kids. It's the disability insurance I'm thinking about. But I think I'm going to hold off until after intern year and maybe get a separate policy. I've heard the disability insurance that residencies provide are notoriously not great. But I'll find out next week
 
Did you guys get DI separate from what your residency provides in their benefits packages? We have orientation next week and that's when we pick our benefit packages and they offer short term disability that I plan to get through the program. I was initially asking about separate insurance from a private seller/insurance place. I don't plan to get life insurance as I'm not married and have zero kids. It's the disability insurance I'm thinking about. But I think I'm going to hold off until after intern year and maybe get a separate policy. I've heard the disability insurance that residencies provide are notoriously not great. But I'll find out next week
Yes I got separate DI from one of the big 6. I would get it now, it'll only get more expensive as you age. Check out the page on white coat investor about disability insurance.
 
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