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BobLoblaw78 said:
Her and Mel are equivocal. Cray hasn’t moved ever. Things are tied and she was the second from getting yeeted yesterday.
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Yeah I was second from getting yeeted because people lost their goddamn minds. And I'll be damned if it's gonna happen in the last hour today after I sat here all day with no one to talk to but AM (no offense AM, you know I love you). Go vote for a wolf.
 
Cool. I’m vanilla townie and when I flip, y’all better vote WZ or there will be lots of end-game I told you so’s if she sweeps.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
This is throwback to D1 but when I reread D1 this stuck out again as what I didn't like. Seemed like flamethrowing sus everywhere with vague reasoning. I don't know if this is wolf behavior for her or would argue against her wolf meta. It does strike me as feeling off. She seems to tunnel on fewer people when I remember her being village. Not the best to go off of but we seem to be limited in this game.
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Lmao that is definitely my meta no matter how you slice it, and NAI
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
I don't like the fact that dubz forgot this combo bc both are pretty big wolf reads for me. Cray has been there and Genny worked her way down and been lowposting. I know at least one time that genny lowposted as wolf into a sub situation. This makes me even more nervous about her.

I agree with the weird post of liking Genny's push when she has had little push or content or hunting

Not liking AM overlooking Genny lowposting, but agree about not being totally compatible. And likely would whip genny into doing more as a wolf.

I don't feel like forcing AM to use this ace. I like the confidence and would like to wait until another day.
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The only thing is AM braggadocio is a tell for her, and it's basically NAI that she will lie her pants off about ability to play mind games/reaction test.
 
Melchizedek said:
Cool. I’m vanilla townie and when I flip, y’all better vote WZ or there will be lots of end-game I told you so’s if she sweeps.
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If this is v/v violence with us again I'm gonna cry
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Cray- just bad feelings

Mel- I could def buy as village, but lingering feeling that the grim reaper could be setting up our death. Mainly bc he seems to be jumping around with thought process and less organized.

Genny- low posts. Some bad and some normal. Not enough normal to even out other negatives.

Dubz- lots more effort and seems slightly better.

AM- worried but don't want her gone today or to reveal more (but I do worry about wolfpack having extra kill on N5 or whatever and giving someone enough rope to hang us)

Visc- seems village. After chaos run, I worry about this being copycat wolf, but seems too unlikely. Just a sign I am getting overly confused and I need to take things back to the basics.

Shorty- def tot

Cray seems like the place for me to land to keep it simple and not overthink it. Cray just seems like she could go with any as a packmate which is saying something. I will recheck and move vote if needed to avoid a tie

###yeet cray###
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Oh geez best believe if I had pack mate partner I would be working harder at the game.

Here's the thing. When you're a wolf, it's your job to get villagers dead, and you know who they all are, and there's many of them. It's ridiculously easy to try to decide who the top misyeets are and to push them, or at least generate passionate fake sus. I don't think I've EVER been suspected when I wolfed on the basis of "oh geez, doesn't look like Cray is excited to vote or sus someone."

This happened last game and Pippy tried to push me for it, and it was wrong thinking on my meta. I might hedge to try to shield my packmates, or even try to stay off the main wagon so I don't go down on a villager's vote, but I never struggle to generate sus or put down a vote and lobby for someone to die. Best defense is an offense.

Tldr, I repeat, when you wolf it's extremely easy to get worked up about wanting another player dead. Villagers are more cautious as a rule.

This level of blah and hesitation you will only ever see from village cray, and that's a fact. I've never played the "oh gee I dunno" thing ever as a wolf, my issue when wolfing is always too many players to kill too little time.

And early game throwing lots of sus around is nai for me. It's easy early on for me, harder as the game progresses for me to follow
complex arguments unwinding and Vca and all that and know what to do when I'm village and trying to actually gamesolve.
 
This is my main thing with the mel vote

I’ve been wanting to vote him days but just struggle to see a pack letting that D1 happen like it did unless his partner was on the cw or they had a Master Plan for Mel flipping
 
Viscernable said:
This is my main thing with the mel vote

I’ve been wanting to vote him days but just struggle to see a pack letting that D1 happen like it did unless his partner was on the cw or they had a Master Plan for Mel flipping
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I think his partner was either already on chaos (hence AM) or, inexplicably, was on Mel and they thought it would be fun to lone wolf (I don't see Genny being in favor of this plan lol).

Alternatively wasn't around at the end of the day.
 
WildZoo said:
I think his partner was either already on chaos (hence AM) or, inexplicably, was on Mel and they thought it would be fun to lone wolf (I don't see Genny being in favor of this plan lol).

Alternatively wasn't around at the end of the day.
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Who wasn’t around and fits the bill?
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Mel- who do you have as dubz packmate?
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He made a whole list earlier
Melchizedek said:
AM, Genny, Cray, and Dubz are my POE and here is the relational analysis for two-wolf pack combos. (Most likely to least likely)

Dubz/AM - possible. There's not a whole lot of early game interaction. I asked AM about a Dubz/mkg pack at one point and AM gave a non-commital read on Dubz, but focused on mkg instead (flipped village).

Dubz/Cray - Likely. Cray calls out Dubz on D1 in conjunction with Bob for Dubz's comment on bob. There's some back and forth here. Could be early distancing, but also looks like typical of Cray just gut reacting to posts. End of the day D3, Cray and Cubs were tied, Cray mentions she'd like a WZ flip but wasn't just going to move to WZ and move the tie around. WZ moves from Cray to Mel, relieving the Cray/Cubs tie with WZ at 2 votes. Cray doesn't vote WZ like she mentioned earlier, but makes a point to post about how she was thinking about it. Potentially distancing in case someone DID decide to flip that vote to WZ.

Any individual Cray evaluation is hard due to lack of thread presence, but she is in my POE re: Bob interactions.

Cray/AM - less likely. D1 Cray disagrees with Bob when Bob thinks AM's play is off. I've seen wolf!cray do this before when her packmate was under fire D1. But multiple times now Cray has mentioned she likes to sheep AM and blatantly so. IDK if wolf!cray would be that obvious.

Cray/Genny - really hard to interpret here, but I think unlikely. Genny asked Visc to vote at some point D2 and Cray said she liked that "push." The push wasn't strong enough to call a push, and that isolated post looks weird. Neither of them has been on much, I don't wolf read them individually, and as a pack its even harder due to lack of thread presence or big pushes. Cray seems to be sheeping people, Genny's only real contribution was bringing up WZ yesterday.

Dubz/Genny - Unlikely. They vote together D1 on me and D2 for mkg. There's been a few games where wolves have voted together early but I don't think thats the case here. Genny's half-hearted dubz push on D3 put Dubz at 2 when Cray and Cubs were tied at 3. Really risky move if they're packmates

Genny/AM - not very likely. AM made it a point to go after mkg for lowposting, and brought up genny to me and to chaos, so there shows some kind of consistency in logic there, but I can't tell why AM focused on voting mkg over genny in the pool of low posters. I just don't see motivation for Wolf!AM to purposely ask me and chaos to look closer at genny if they're packmates.


Edit: WZ moved from Cray to me, I originally had it the other way around, me to Cray.
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Animal Midwife said:
I'm trying to make sense of this because if it's not genny and it's not Cray, that means it's you.
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I guess we'll see how Mel flips but lol if you think there's a universe where we're packmates here
 
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