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I've been pondering which of the AM/genny/pip trio is wolfing since pg 1, through my time in the great beyond, and right now, I'm getting the strongest wolf vibes from AM. She's always a crabby pants chewing on anybody who isn't playing exactly the way she thinks this game should be played, but this level of aggro and ignoring clearly posted reads/opinions that she just doesn't agree with despite an encyclopedic knowledge of past games is setting off all my alarms.
so...


yeet AM
 
I've been pondering which of the AM/genny/pip trio is wolfing since pg 1, through my time in the great beyond, and right now, I'm getting the strongest wolf vibes from AM. She's always a crabby pants chewing on anybody who isn't playing exactly the way she thinks this game should be played, but this level of aggro and ignoring clearly posted reads/opinions that she just doesn't agree with despite an encyclopedic knowledge of past games is setting off all my alarms.
so...


yeet AM
I can't come on whatever had post shooting but regarding the bolded, you have? You didn't even vote any of us while in that slot.
 
I can't come on whatever had post shooting but regarding the bolded, you have? You didn't even vote any of us while in that slot.
If you thought any of those waffles were purely decorative, then you have vastly underestimated how much attention I'm paying to everyone's reactions.
 
I thought that bullet had Mayo written on it.

Is she seriously going to miss me just because I told her not to?
I almost shot you instead of kras. I don’t think AM stole it because I talked to her before shooting. She had no reason to think I wouldn’t consult her again.
 
Okay, I've caught up to page 39 and I'm starting to feel fuzzy in the noggin from staying up two hours past my bed time and reading endless posts. Will be back at some point after work tomorrow to catch up for real (hopefully before the yeeting but I've got a dinner date scheduled). So for now, from the reasons I stated yesterday and briefly today,

Yeet mel

Until further notice.
 
I almost shot you instead of kras. I don’t think AM stole it because I talked to her before shooting. She had no reason to think I wouldn’t consult her again.
Do you have any assurances that she is village? Cause to an outsider, it kinda sounds suspect if she knew your ability and then your ability was gone the next day lol.
 
Just my pure, gullible nature is telling me she’s village.
angry praying hands GIF
 
Why steal it when she can just manipulate me into shooting someone she’s ok with? I think AM is skilled enough to pull that off if she were actually wolfing. Save the steal for finding the tracker or something.
Just because that's what you would do doesn't mean that's what she would do. And what if you got frisky and decided to shoot her?
 
Once again playing catch up, not going to finish tonight before I have to sleep but I have at least looked at the night write up and the most recent yeet tally. Concerned there are only ~six votes sitting as of now given that we've had close to 24 hours out of a 36 hour cycle.

Also I was right, I looked back at my massive sleepy ramble post and I hate all of it. Who let me come up with those garbage reads
 
Mod Note: for players playing catch up: I will try to keep the "Current Tally" updated when able in the Table of Contents on page 1
Bless u
Gonna do my best to catch up on my half hour lunch break. For starters, I am aware my bread vote may come across as a wolfy cop out. I assure you it was not. I got caught up watching Netflix with my mom and I didn’t realize I forgot to re evaluate my vote and possibly change it. In retrospect, it’s probably good I didn’t switch to coffee? Because she flipped village and she didn’t come off as super wolfy anyways. I read the night write up but nothing else yet.

i think the bigcats flip is interesting. Particularly in regards to vis.... I’m trying to decide if BC outing supposed role fishing from their pm on thread is a w/v or w/w. I’m leaning farther towards w/v with bc attempting a misyeet on vis. This is based vis’ analysis yesterday and also because it wouldn’t make much sense in terms of bussing. I don’t think much cred would be gained by either in this scenario
Not misyeeting doesn't really give village cred so it's meaningless that you didn't switch to coffee. You have time to re-evaluate now, who would you have voted for if not bread or coffee?
So far I’m most side eying Pippy and possibly dubz. More village leaning for Barks. I expect more from samac and sunshine. With all these deaths there’s quite a bit of analysis that can be done so good luck nooblets 😉 Gonna go back also and see what BigCats said about SAR and decide if it’s w/v or w/w
Why evaluate BC/SAR interactions specifically? Why -possibly- a dubz side eye? I feel like she has moved more village to me today with her content + the interactions with flipped players
Well he didn’t contribute a whole lot of content based posts. Most were fluff. Are you saying this is pro village?
My question is that between someone who you felt didn't contribute a lot of content (bread) vs someone you thought was suspicious (coffee) why did bread rise higher on your metric than coffee? Like what was the reasoning for him over her?
 
Regarding mayo, here's my problem. [For brevity, I'm omitting all the fluffposts.]
Entry post:
I check in a few hours late and we're 8 pages in with dear sweet mayo on the chopping block? What happened?

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Joke vote. Still reasonable given how early on it is.
Kids finally sleeping. Catching up.



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There's a first time for everything

Yeet April

while I catch up
Doles out advice regarding good village play:
Don't hold back on the jokes. This place gets far too serious, far to quickly without them. Just make sure you mix reads in with the jokes.

Plenty of people play a less serious meta.
This is where the issue starts. Very quick to defend Cray as village. For context, he hasn't just not seen her wolf, he's never seen her in WW altogether.
Curious about this. She reads more like an overeager villager who is coming out swinging to me.

I haven't seen her wolf before, but I doubt she wolves in bulldozer.
First "wolfreads" are shared. Mentions me and Mel because we're going after Cray, even though I think it was only me. We were both sitting on Stagg/BC at this point. Emphasizes that he won't share D1 reads.
You and Mel, but that is something I'm working through with my therapist.

I don't put much value in day one reads, especially before everyone has even checked in.

There are 10 people who haven't even voted yet. I just don't think we should call out one of the vets who is actually wolfhunting as sus for doing so.
I clarify his reasoning since it seems disconnected with who all is actively pressuring Cray at this point. His reasoning is further jokes.
1. She thinks it goes back to some unresolved childhood trauma from when my dad left. Like I said, we're working through it.

2. Cray, the person I was defending in the post you originally quoted.
Confirms that it is all jokes and thus never gave me his wolfreads in the first place. Instead defends Cray more.
There's no BS. You asked for follow up on an obvious joke, and got a joke in response. I suspect you'll get a third if we continue down this path.

Good wolves post like good villagers. Villagers post like sus villagers. I think she would show more tact if she were a wolf play acting at wolf hunting.
I start to get bothered by the and question why he's hard defending someone he knows nothing about, over other people that have played with her, but can't give me his real wolfreads based on that. His reaction is as follows. He decides to yeet his only vocal village read for proving me wrong, particularly when I'm not even voting her to begin with? (At this point, I'm still on BC/Stagg.)
No, my obvious joke was a joke. Followed by a statement explaining that I don't put much value in day one wolf reads, so I don't make them.


I gave a read. You don't like it, and got weirdly bent out of shape over it.

If you are so certain let's yeet cray and see who is right.

Unyeet april
Yeet cray
Calling my bluff? What bluff? That his wolfread were all jokes? That he's never played with Cray before? That he's voting his only village read because lol AM (but not lol Cyndia because that's different)?
just calling AM’s bluff. If she is so sure that this is your wolf meta then she should put her money where her mouth is.

I’m fairly certain she won’t, but I’ll humor her certainty for a bit.
Brings up followable strategy again. Says this in response to cows gaining a couple votes.
Why? This seems like trying to take the easy path.
Also says Bread is bad.
I'm not liking the bread reads either. Bread is bread.

If you want to yeet him for being full of gluten and unreadable that's one thing. But how is he wolfy this game?
Backs up Vis, though I don't see how you could find anything she's posting not to be village though.
V is either strong village or has seriously upped their wolf game in the past week. I'm inclined to go strong village read.
Finally moves off his "bluff AM" vote 90 minutes until close. Once again doesn't talk about any of the other people yeeting her, but the fact that I wasn't.
Turns out AM wasn't convinced you were classic Cray wolfing... Pause for audience gasps

Unyeet crayola
Likes dubz's wolf reads except for Cray, whom he would replace with Barks. So I guess his real POE is Mel, Coffee?, Barks. Why was he spending so many hours of his strategy just to heckle me, alone, and none of them again?
I'm concerned with how much I like your Wolf reads.


Why BC though. Seems premature for a replacement who hasn't posted much.
Ultimately does this. Says nothing more strategy based from the 1+ hour remaining to close until almost two hours later post writeup.
Yeet Barks
I'll tackle D2 tomorrow.
 
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Why do you think the write up is an indication of what party Cray was killed by? My understanding is that flavour text around a kill is NAI, at least until you have other kills to compare it to (and even that can be misleading, since different party members may have very different kill flavours)

Same reason I gave last might for why I think kras was a village vig kill: “Antivillage generally don’t want to kill off players drawing suspicion away from them/who will be an easy target to kill via vote.” I’d expect N1 wolfkill to be someone who is being read strongly village, or at least neutral if wolves are worried about suspicion based on their past interactions with the strong village players.
I am sure someone else has pointed this out by now, but there were only two game-related deaths last night (cray and BC), and given that one of them was a wolf we can probably safely say they were not the wolf kill target last night. I guess there's always a chance of a village blocker incidentally blocking the wolf kill last night while someone else killed a villager but based purely on Occam's razor I'd say cray was killed by the wolves

I actually feel really weird about this post despite reading you as village from your contributions so far. Like, so much of this just seems like a mix of willfully misunderstanding things and WIFOM...?
 
Regarding mayo, here's my problem. [For brevity, I'm omitting all the fluffposts.]
Entry post:

Joke vote. Still reasonable given how early on it is.

Doles out advice regarding good village play:

This is where the issue starts. Very quick to defend Cray as village. For context, he hasn't just not seen her wolf, he's never seen her in WW altogether.

First "wolfreads" are shared. Mentions me and Mel because we're going after Cray, even though I think it was only me. We were both sitting on Stagg/BC at this point. Emphasizes that he won't share D1 reads.

I clarify his reasoning since it seems disconnected with who all is actively pressuring Cray at this point. His reasoning is further jokes.

Confirms that it is all jokes and thus never gave me his wolfreads in the first place. Instead defends Cray more.

I start to get bothered by the and question why he's hard defending someone he knows nothing about, over other people that have played with her, but can't give me his real wolfreads based on that. His reaction is as follows. He decides to yeet his only vocal village read for proving me wrong, particularly when I'm not even voting her to begin with? (At this point, I'm still on BC/Stagg.)

Calling my bluff? What bluff? That his wolfread were all jokes? That he's never played with Cray before? That he's voting his only village read because lol AM (but not lol Cyndia because that's different)?

Brings up followable strategy again. Says this in response to cows gaining a couple votes.

Also says Bread is bad.

Backs up Vis, though I don't see how you could find anything she's posting not to be village though.

Final moves off his "bluff AM" vote 90 minutes until close. Once again doesn't talk about any of the other people yeeting her, but the fact that I wasn't.

Likes dubz's wolf reads except for Cray, whom he would replace with Barks. So I guess his POE is now Mel, Coffee?, Barks. Why was he heckling me so much again?

Ultimately does this. Says nothing more strategy based from the 1+ hour remaining to close until almost two hours later post writeup.

I'll tackle D2 tomorrow.
aren't you in EST? Go to bed :heckyeah:
 
Just with where I'm at now, broadly have barks, dubz, AM, genny, visc in my village pile. pips is close but she needs to do an extra credit project to get that A

don't like alissa's contributions so far, and also hate mel's insistence that not liking her is a grand woof conspiracy. similarly not sure mayo has brought a ton to the table yet and what he has brought, while spiced with wonderful gifs, has not been particularly satiating.

also when will mel stop acting groce? The world may never know

@kraskadva how is returning to life treating you? Any big feelings other than relief and fear of all the cats screaming in the alley?
 
Anyway I'm dying, this is where I have to stop and go to bed so there is a chance you can hear from a vmh capable of not spouting overt nonsense some time tomorrow morning

until then
yeet alissa
 
1. Village needs to know about the ability thief.
2. Village needs to be able to attribute kills correctly. I was going to claim my kills once done killing, but someone stole one from me in a rather wolfy way and they should be held responsible.
Does your ability not have a cool down period?
 
How's that re-evaluation coming?
It’s coming. Got unexpectedly busy yesterday and was going to get on last night to catch up. I went to get on around 11pm last night and I could not get SDN to load, not sure if it was the crummy spotty hotel WiFi but nothing on SDN would load on my phone either. Tried for about 20min but then gave up and went to bed. Alas I now have many pages to catch up on, but will be doing so throughout the day.
 
Please don't take this as a commentary on being busy itself, but my problem with a big ketchup reeds post like the one at that meth head just posted is that there is nothing in there that isn't in other posts already. AM and WZ feel village? I seem village with some occasional wolfy flavor/bad village play? The wolf suspects are the same ones that most people on the thread are talking about?

Meh.
 
It’s coming. Got unexpectedly busy yesterday and was going to get on last night to catch up. I went to get on around 11pm last night and I could not get SDN to load, not sure if it was the crummy spotty hotel WiFi but nothing on SDN would load on my phone either. Tried for about 20min but then gave up and went to bed. Alas I now have many pages to catch up on, but will be doing so throughout the day.

I think SDN was having a meltdown, I tried to load up to read while I was in bed and couldn't get it to work.

So I feel like I'm really off in my reads this game since I was so off base with cray and also wrong about pre-dead kras and BC wasn't on my radar at all. I had cray, april, dubz and amana in my wolf leans before night results, and I'm going to just start from the beginning again and re-evaluate in light of all the flips so far. Pretty sure I'm wrong about dubz now, which means I'm probably also wrong about someone amongst genny, AM, or pippy. I'm pretty convinced genny is village with the vig claims but no idea on the others anymore.
 
Regarding mayo, here's my problem. [For brevity, I'm omitting all the fluffposts.]
Entry post:

Joke vote. Still reasonable given how early on it is.

Doles out advice regarding good village play:

This is where the issue starts. Very quick to defend Cray as village. For context, he hasn't just not seen her wolf, he's never seen her in WW altogether.

First "wolfreads" are shared. Mentions me and Mel because we're going after Cray, even though I think it was only me. We were both sitting on Stagg/BC at this point. Emphasizes that he won't share D1 reads.

I clarify his reasoning since it seems disconnected with who all is actively pressuring Cray at this point. His reasoning is further jokes.

Confirms that it is all jokes and thus never gave me his wolfreads in the first place. Instead defends Cray more.

I start to get bothered by the and question why he's hard defending someone he knows nothing about, over other people that have played with her, but can't give me his real wolfreads based on that. His reaction is as follows. He decides to yeet his only vocal village read for proving me wrong, particularly when I'm not even voting her to begin with? (At this point, I'm still on BC/Stagg.)

Calling my bluff? What bluff? That his wolfread were all jokes? That he's never played with Cray before? That he's voting his only village read because lol AM (but not lol Cyndia because that's different)?

Brings up followable strategy again. Says this in response to cows gaining a couple votes.

Also says Bread is bad.

Backs up Vis, though I don't see how you could find anything she's posting not to be village though.

Finally moves off his "bluff AM" vote 90 minutes until close. Once again doesn't talk about any of the other people yeeting her, but the fact that I wasn't.

Likes dubz's wolf reads except for Cray, whom he would replace with Barks. So I guess his real POE is Mel, Coffee?, Barks. Why was he spending so many hours of his strategy just to heckle me, alone, and none of them again?

Ultimately does this. Says nothing more strategy based from the 1+ hour remaining to close until almost two hours later post writeup.

I'll tackle D2 tomorrow.

Tunnel harder.
 
N1, still references Bread and cows being lazy and possible wolf-driven wagons.
At the time there were at least two noobs on an inactive player. Looked like a safe place to burry a vote without making a stir. Easy, lazy, maybe wolfy.

Fwiw, the vote on you is much lazier.
Every single future strategy posts from now until finished summary, all follow this pattern:
Switches back to focus on vig
So... who killed you and why do you think AM killed you?
Switches to non-vig analysis
kras is no longer confirmed, but you can still judge her on her actions and decide whether you think she's still village.
I’m cackling at this and your posts, @kraskadva. Welcome back! I was very excited to have a confirmed villager so early but remembered sometimes resurrection comes with conversion :grumpy:. Will stick to being happy to have kras back.
We know the same about kras that we know about anyone else. Just the mods keeping it fair.

If the mods tell us she subbed for Pita, a village baker who has the power to throw sacks of flour and seduce archers, then it isn't much fun for us or her.
Switches back to focus on vig
It would have been equally reckless and sloppy
Unless they are a wolf - hunt on my furries

or a 3P - shoot straight miss mayo
Stop shooting my villagers for a second
Switching back to non-vig analysis
I think Barks was quick to not let BC get away with trying to dunk Vis. Makes me lean village on her.
Gonna do my best to catch up on my half hour lunch break. For starters, I am aware my bread vote may come across as a wolfy cop out. I assure you it was not. I got caught up watching Netflix with my mom and I didn’t realize I forgot to re evaluate my vote and possibly change it. In retrospect, it’s probably good I didn’t switch to coffee? Because she flipped village and she didn’t come off as super wolfy anyways. I read the night write up but nothing else yet.

i think the bigcats flip is interesting. Particularly in regards to vis.... I’m trying to decide if BC outing supposed role fishing from their pm on thread is a w/v or w/w. I’m leaning farther towards w/v with bc attempting a misyeet on vis. This is based vis’ analysis yesterday and also because it wouldn’t make much sense in terms of bussing. I don’t think much cred would be gained by either in this scenario
Are you actually reading the thread or just making things up? Because besides the fact that I did respond to that last post, everyone else was asking BC specifically about what visc said and I was more interested in that she had read that many pages and her strongest wolf read was somehow vis
Going back through BC's limited posts.

I'm impressed by whomever got the kill last night. If it was 3P dumb luck thanks, if it was a village ability well played.

The quoted messages all read W/V [regarding BC voting Vis] to me. I suspect she was trying some light shade at a noob, then befriend them in PM and put them in her pocket. This plus Visc having solid village play yesterday keeps them at the top of my village pile.

I also was sus of WZ, but feel much better about her today for obvious reasons.
(small question: when was he sus of dubz? I thought he liked almost all her wolf reads literal last mention) I try to follow up and see if something drastic changed from last night that'd make him say that seemingly out of nowhere. His response will change your entire life perspective.
What are yours [wolfreads]?
...
Ignoring the obvious issue, why am I tunnelling, bad about him, and not cooperating, but alley leaving a vote on him for hours and still saying she's sus of him is okay because it's justified?
That is a good point, and is something to definitely consider. But at 9:58 there were no other vote changes and I didn’t feel comfortable changing my vote when I wasn’t fully caught up on the thread yet. That is why I posted and said I wouldn’t be changing my vote. I don’t think I wasted it, since I was still sus of Mayo at the time.
That's fine if you still felt suspicious of mayo. I just didn't know you weren't only judging those two wagons at the time.
This makes a lot of sense. I think it's better to leave your vote where you are actually sus, then jump on a wagon just cause. Not a wasted vote.
...
Only response to SAR's readslist:
Isn’t Zep dead and crispy?

edit- goddamn it siri
I ask again about his reads again several hours later to try fill the gaps. Another pro-village response.
You're trying to hard.

Maybe play hard to get?
Triple whammy here.
In response to a question he wasn't asked to announce he isn't reading me village. First and thus far only wolfread of the day.
There's a lot to digest here, but not a great look.
Vague response to Mel quotes. Does not say what isn't a great look or try to dissect even hours later. Here's your chance to do that btw, mayo.
Switches back to focus on vig
Bonus affirmation of Vis because Vis is very village and is a mayo village read in case you missed it.
I still disagree with the blind vig kill on D1. Otherwise, solid.
Switches back to non-vig analysis
Defense of Bread again and now soul
Was further commentary about yeeting mods and whatnot but it's NAI so been omitted
Yeah, I think people read way too far into this and the amanasoul comments. The noobs don't want to spoil the game for our fellow noobs who we would like to play with again. Let's give her a chance to play this time so we can keep playing with her in the future.

It's no different than vets not wanting to yeet another vet after a long time away (like Cray).

Or not yeeting a D1 mod from the last game.
I try to pull him back on course since more hours have passed. His response to my assistance that he share his updated wolf reads.
I owe you nothing, but have given reads none the less.
We're all still waiting on yours as well fwiw.
Where, you grilled cheese sandwich? Oh well, must not be important become he's moved on again for the umpteenth time.
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I can't tell if this is serious or not and don't want to make any false assumptions, so... Is this a joke or nah? If serious... What is genny's motivation for coming out with this information? I am kind of leaning toward genny falsely claiming this ability because I don't understand why she would reveal that info so soon in the game if it was really her. Seems like a distraction or cover up in some way. Maybe I'm missing a post somewhere that gives this post context or maybe it's just a joke.

I think it is serious
You should probably iso me and realize how much I hinted my role before today.
Agree with Barks. There's virtually no upside to false claiming the vig kills. I still don't get the Kras kill when she clearly wasn't playing a wolf game, but I dont' think Genny would fake it. Too easy for someone else to disprove.
Remember in the noob game when the village worked together to figure out what actions occurred when and to whom? There are fewer info gaps from villagers dying if people share stuff.
^This

I said it and so did some others in the noob game. Information helps the village. If the kill is already stolen, and if it was stolen by the wolves, why let them have information and deny it to the village.

Doesn't' mean you should role reveal right away, but in this case withholding something from the village that the wolves already know doesn't help us.
 
So now that I've laid everything out @holdthemayo, I want you to answer. What are your wolf reads? I get it beat over my head that Vis is village and Bread is village, but why aren't you talking about the people who voted them? Why aren't you talking about the people who voted for Cray, who was your strongest village read? What happened to your Mel and Barks reads? Where and why was dubz ever a wolf read? At what point did you start suspecting me and why? Where is any progression?
 
So now that I've laid everything out @holdthemayo, I want you to answer. What are your wolf reads? I get it beat over my head that Vis is village and Bread is village, but why aren't you talking about the people who voted them? Why aren't you talking about the people who voted for Cray, who was your strongest village read? What happened to your Mel and Barks reads? Where and why was dubz ever a wolf read? At what point did you start suspecting me and why? Where is any progression?

What are your wolf reads AM?

Seriously. You've tunneled on me for two days. Berated several players for their wolf reads and have yet to offer a meaningful list of your own.

Your problem with me is that I don't play the exact way you want me to. I play this game for my own enjoyment. I'll play it in the way that brings me the most joy.

Kill me at 3PM if you are able. Or don't.
 
What are your wolf reads AM?

Seriously. You've tunneled on me for two days. Berated several players for their wolf reads and have yet to offer a meaningful list of your own.

Your problem with me is that I don't play the exact way you want me to. I play this game for my own enjoyment. I'll play it in the way that brings me the most joy.

Kill me at 3PM if you are able. Or don't.
You liked my posts last night about village cooperating and working together. Can you share some reads?
 
Yo why can't we just answer simple questions instead of being intentionally difficult. Not sure how that helps anyone find wolves. And that's at both of ya @holdthemayo and @Animal Midwife. I can gather from posts that AM's wolf reads are pippy and mayo +/- mel and alissa. Mayo from previous responses seems to be mel and...well I'm not actually sure if he's wolfreading AM, and then+/- whether he's still on barks. So how bout y'all stop wasting posts being stubborn asses, answer each other's questions, and move the frick on.
 
You liked my posts last night about village cooperating and working together. Can you share some reads?

To summarize some of mine and update where I was before. And because you asked so nicely.

Wolfish: Mel, Barks, +/- Alissa, I think there is a wolf between AM and Pippy but not both

Village: Samac, Vis, Sunshine, WZ,

Bread: Would like to see more content and more puns. Neutral at this point
New Kras: Too soon to say. She was playing her typical village D1 style. Not sure why she was killed for it. Not enough to guess her new role yet.
Genny - 3P vs village vig - Still don't like the first kill but I think it's a difference in strategy rather than wolf move.

Most of the rest haven't given me enough to go off of or are just neutral
 
Also after looking over it myself I don't think either barks or alissa deserve any amount of credit for their interactions with BC. They both asked a single question with zero visible follow-up on BC's responses or leaning on her affiliation. Not enough imo.
 
Please don't take this as a commentary on being busy itself, but my problem with a big ketchup reeds post like the one at that meth head just posted is that there is nothing in there that isn't in other posts already. AM and WZ feel village? I seem village with some occasional wolfy flavor/bad village play? The wolf suspects are the same ones that most people on the thread are talking about?

Meh.
Do you disagree with those reads?
 
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