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Animal Midwife said:
Could I see an updated readlist @Cyndia, @holdthemayo, @PhiloslothicalStudent, and @SportPonies?
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Won’t be till I get home from work but yes, I will def post a full list when I can fully reorder it and think it through. Though dubz is definitely on my wolf leans, I had moved April to neutral and I still have you wolf leaning right now too. Genny and visc are on my village list, and sporty was also moving towards village.
 
Cyndia said:
Won’t be till I get home from work but yes, I will def post a full list when I can fully reorder it and think it through. Though dubz is definitely on my wolf leans, I had moved April to neutral and I still have you wolf leaning right now too. Genny and visc are on my village list, and sporty was also moving towards village.
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What changed since yesterday, other than me being wrong about Mel and FTF, who you were also wrong about?
 
WildZoo said:
What changed since yesterday, other than me being wrong about Mel and FTF, who you were also wrong about?
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I’ve had you hovering back and forth from neutral to wolf because you’ve been less aggressive than normal. I know you said you were busy but as I said earlier, I can’t differentiate between busy and wolf dubz. And yes, I was also wrong about Mel and FTF, but I went off of your logic for Mel since I didn’t have time to parse through things myself and you spent far more time analyzing and pulling an argument out about Mel which is what is pushing you back into the wolf column.
 
Cyndia said:
I’ve had you hovering back and forth from neutral to wolf because you’ve been less aggressive than normal. I know you said you were busy but as I said earlier, I can’t differentiate between busy and wolf dubz. And yes, I was also wrong about Mel and FTF, but I went off of your logic for Mel since I didn’t have time to parse through things myself and you spent far more time analyzing and pulling an argument out about Mel which is what is pushing you back into the wolf column.
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Well I hope you see you're contradicting yourself here
 
Cyndia said:
Yes I know you’ve been a little more on it the last day but still doesn’t seem as aggressive as normal to me.
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If you're going to use a faulty representation of meta against me then I will pull up all the games where I have been busy and less aggressive as a villager and all the games where I have run the show as a wolf. Or I'll have @Animal Midwife do it. It's a crappy argument, and crappier still that of all the options yesterday you chose to follow my argument, despite not village reading me. It doesn't make a bit of sense.
 
WildZoo said:
If you're going to use a faulty representation of meta against me then I will pull up all the games where I have been busy and less aggressive as a villager and all the games where I have run the show as a wolf. Or I'll have @Animal Midwife do it. It's a crappy argument, and crappier still that of all the options yesterday you chose to follow my argument, despite not village reading me. It doesn't make a bit of sense.
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As I said yesterday, I never got a chance to read thoroughly and I was distracted, so I chose to just read through the last few pages and follow whatever jumped out at me as making sense at the time. It’s not good WW game play but I didn’t have a better choice yesterday.

I was going to wait on posting reads or thoughts on yesterday’s close until I got a chance to reread but since AM tagged and asked, I gave my current gut feels off what’s happened so far. I’ll give an ordered list with everyone on it once I get a chance to read and analyze appropriately tonight, but this is how I currently feel. I’m fully admitting it’s mostly based off gut feels, so take it with a grain of salt.
 
Cyndia said:
As I said yesterday, I never got a chance to read thoroughly and I was distracted, so I chose to just read through the last few pages and follow whatever jumped out at me as making sense at the time. It’s not good WW game play but I didn’t have a better choice yesterday.

I was going to wait on posting reads or thoughts on yesterday’s close until I got a chance to reread but since AM tagged and asked, I gave my current gut feels off what’s happened so far. I’ll give an ordered list with everyone on it once I get a chance to read and analyze appropriately tonight, but this is how I currently feel. I’m fully admitting it’s mostly based off gut feels, so take it with a grain of salt.
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Well off the top of my head you can look at Ireland and the beginning of HoWWrses for busy village dubz and have fun reading 133 pages of not-busy wolf dubz in Warriors. Don't point meta arguments in my direction if you're not gonna do the research 😛
 
And I still think that even if busy and unable to evaluate things yourself it makes no sense to follow the argument of someone who you don't trust. Why not follow an argument made by a village read, or vote for someone who was already on your wolf list? It's not like I came out saying "yo guys mel is 100% a wolf", I presented an argument, it was wrong but apparently, you thought it was reasonable yourself with the same information in front of you. So kind of bunk hypocrisy to turn around and say I'm a wolf because I made the argument and you were too busy to do anything but jump on a bandwagon.
 
WildZoo said:
And I still think that even if busy and unable to evaluate things yourself it makes no sense to follow the argument of someone who you don't trust. Why not follow an argument made by a village read, or vote for someone who was already on your wolf list? It's not like I came out saying "yo guys mel is 100% a wolf", I presented an argument, it was wrong but apparently, you thought it was reasonable yourself with the same information in front of you. So kind of bunk hypocrisy to turn around and say I'm a wolf because I made the argument and you were too busy to do anything but jump on a bandwagon.
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A little overly defensive for an unyeetable wolf imo
 
WildZoo said:
And I still think that even if busy and unable to evaluate things yourself it makes no sense to follow the argument of someone who you don't trust. Why not follow an argument made by a village read, or vote for someone who was already on your wolf list? It's not like I came out saying "yo guys mel is 100% a wolf", I presented an argument, it was wrong but apparently, you thought it was reasonable yourself with the same information in front of you. So kind of bunk hypocrisy to turn around and say I'm a wolf because I made the argument and you were too busy to do anything but jump on a bandwagon.
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I said you were fluctuating between neutral to wolf to me, and I had you back at neutral yesterday evening. Genny agreeing that mels one post was bs also helped pushed me towards my final decision bc I do have her firmly in my village right now. If you were strongly wolf to me I would have fully ignored it, but I was undecided and it made sense on my skim so I went with it.

WildZoo said:
Well off the top of my head you can look at Ireland and the beginning of HoWWrses for busy village dubz and have fun reading 133 pages of not-busy wolf dubz in Warriors. Don't point meta arguments in my direction if you're not gonna do the research 😛
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I didn’t have time to read the 40 pages on here, I’d def don’t have time to read those lmao. I’m making my meta decisions based off my interactions in games I’ve played since I returned from hiatus. I’m not trying to make a big argument based just off that to say you’re a wolf, I’ve literally said multiple times I’m basing this off my gut feels at the moment and have not read thoroughly yet.
 
genny said:
No, I mean it sounds like you know she'll flip village.
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Weird little nitpick here but I was just looking back at past posts I replied to and I think it’s weird that Pippy liked this post when no one else besides, briefly, genny apparently thought the word choice was worth pursuing. Just a little interesting Pip’s vaguely supporting but avoiding actually linking herself to (by never putting me in her wolfreads [I think? I don’t recall her ever doing so] or even replying to this) suspicion on someone who’s voting for her and who most people [again, I think. Haven’t counted but that’s my recollection] have in their village reads. I wouldn’t think anything of it but because I’m trying to decide if I should push a Pippy yeet today... just one more thing to consider.

I’ve also thought about what it means that she voted SAR the day after BC did and flipped wolf. I think it’s NAI because there’s too much WIFOM crud in that line of reasoning, but maybe a more experienced player has an opinion on that?
 
PippyPony said:
People remember that there were two shots that happened today, day 2, right?

Versus 1 day shot on day 1?

Anyone else ready for day 3?
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On the first day of the apocalypse, kd brought to me genny the vigilante!

On the second day of the apocalypse, doggo brought to me a new daykill role and genny shot thief the vigilante!

On the third day of the apocalypse...
 
Viscernable said:
On the first day of the apocalypse, kd brought to me genny the vigilante!

On the second day of the apocalypse, doggo brought to me a new daykill role and genny shot thief the vigilante!

On the third day of the apocalypse...
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Parody Christmas carols! I think we should be friends lol.
 
Viscernable said:
I’ve also thought about what it means that she voted SAR the day after BC did and flipped wolf. I think it’s NAI because there’s too much WIFOM crud in that line of reasoning, but maybe a more experienced player has an opinion on that?
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I have an opinion on that vote...

I voted SAR on a tone read, and honestly didn't see that BC had voted for her. I did think it was interesting in retrospect that BC was sitting on that vote alone...I actually was meaning to back and look at the timing, but whenever there are big wagons and a wolf is notably voting off of them, it makes me wonder if they saw an opportunity for a safe vote on a fellow wolf.
Would be less relevant if BC voted early and tried to get momentum going on SAR.
 
Resolving my neutrals part 1: @alleycat03 ISO, focusing on content posts.

Tl;dr: Overall I'd like to see more of alley interacting with other players and commenting more broadly, the content she's provided so far feels weak. The reads list she gave last night was more complete but did not come with much in the way of explanations or evidence of progression. Also very curious about the jump from reading pippy slight village all the way to full wolf. Several wolf pings here.

alleycat03 said:
Well ***. After getting caught up, I was going to vote to yeet Kras, but apparently she just died. I didn’t know people could be killed during the day, so that’s an interesting new twist for the apocalypse.

I’m having a hard time getting a read on the veteran players, so can you all just role reveal and make this easier please? I’m (mostly) joking.
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This post feels authentic
alleycat03 said:
I don’t feel wolf vibes from either cray or coffee?, so I will not switch my vote to either of them
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alleycat03 said:
But only switching to one of them would change the outcome. But coffee was ahead by 2 so it wouldn’t have mattered unless someone else changed their mind and waffles at the same time.
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alleycat03 said:
To be clear, as of page 27ish, I feel like coffee? and Cray were both villagers. That is why I didn’t change my vote at end of day. I also did not think Bread was suspicious and he was the person with the next highest amount of voters. From my perspective, he’s playing the exact same way he did in the noob game.
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alleycat03 said:
That is a good point, and is something to definitely consider. But at 9:58 there were no other vote changes and I didn’t feel comfortable changing my vote when I wasn’t fully caught up on the thread yet. That is why I posted and said I wouldn’t be changing my vote. I don’t think I wasted it, since I was still sus of Mayo at the time.
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alleycat03 said:
Sorry, that’s why I posted to try and clarify. I will probably forever be suspicious of Mayo because I have a hard time reading him. I was convinced he was a wolf earlier on during the noob game, then convinced myself that since he was tunneling after me for several days, he couldn’t be a wolf because that strategy didn’t make any sense to me. It obviously worked, so then when he flipped wolf I was shocked.
In conclusion, none of the vote leaders seemed wolfy to me, so I kept my vote on the person I was suspicious of.
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I like this thought process overall, though I feel like I need more on the mayo wolf read. It is not well-explained beyond baseline default suspicion. Nothing about his activity in this game.
alleycat03 said:
Quotes:

As of now, I read Pippy as lean village. I agree that it would be early bussing if they were both wolves. Though I also think it’s very weird that Mel claimed the vig shot yesterday when Genny just announced that she did it.

I appreciate reads like this. Was just getting ready to say that I thought cray was village, but then I saw she was killed last night. So far, I think April is villager, pippy leans village, not sure about Mel, SAR, or Barks, and finally I am slightly suspicious of alissa. Just the tone of her posts from yesterday, though she was getting caught up on the thread in a very similar manner to what I’m doing now. Having never played with any of them, I don’t know their “meta” but that’s how I read them so far.

Hopefully somebody else hasn’t been killed. We’re already down 7 players and it’s day 2. Glad a wolf was already killed though, but having 6 dead villagers this early on is concerning to me.
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A very limited reads list and I don't much like that there is only one (maybe 2) wolf reads, and they aren't even stated as such.
alleycat03 said:
Just finished page 35, so I am almost caught up. I agree a lot with Barks’ logic. I get the same “bad feels” from her posts, and so far the posts I’ve read from today don’t change that opinion.

I think Vis is a villager, especially with all of his very thought-out posts. I agree most importantly with his last bullet point. Should we be concerned that there’s another game mechanism that suggests we need to speed up our game play? I think there’s something related to the apocalypse and Pippy might be on to something.
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Nothing really new here, echoing others' thoughts
alleycat03 said:
Thank you. Still don’t know how to read your game play, so for now I will remain suspicious until proven otherwise. But so far you haven’t done anything that seems particularly wolfy or village to me.
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Directed at mayo, again not really a wolf read...more a neutral with default suspicion.
alleycat03 said:
I agree with this and I am definitely confused why they both claimed they killed Kras (though Mel only did that in PMs).

Pippy claimed that Mel “basically” claimed responsibility for the shot in PMs. So you’re right there. Still not sure why Mel would claim he is the vigilante when Genny just did, especially since she said her power was stolen overnight??

Thank you. Only game 2 for me, so alarms started going off in my head when I saw how many people had already died. The large number of mod kills are confusing to me though. I know 3M didn’t check the thread and didn’t meet the post minimum. But did M935 get modkilled too? I’m guessing so because of the lightning but I thought people got a warning before they were killed for not posting enough.
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Why the focus on the modkills?
alleycat03 said:
Finally caught up. Idk if its possible for a noob to pocket another noob, but I pretty much agree completely with Vis and his reads. The only thing I disagree on is him assigning Samac to the wolf category. I think Samac is playing the same way she did in the noob game, but without as much info as she had before. From the Mason PM AND her mayor chats, she had a lot of info last game that most of us were not privy to. Assuming that she does not have that same amount of info now, she still seems to be playing WW in the same manner as before.

I thought Alissa was sus and trusted Barks, so I am unsure what either of their deaths mean for us. I agree with Vis that one of them was likely killed by a wolf killing during the day, based on my limited knowledge of game mechanics. If that is a case, that is a very powerful wolf that we need to yeet asap.

I think it is interesting that AM was going after Mayo hardcore a few pages back. Still unsure how to read him but I do agree that he's playing differently from the noob game. So I am still suspicious, but less so for now based on his more recent activity.




My wolf reads-

Leaning wolf: pippy, sloth, Mel, FTF?, Mayo
Neutral: SAR, kras, vmh, breads, cyndia
Leaning village: AM, genny, vetpls, WZ, amana, april, samac


I was thinking that sloth was very suspicious and lying low, but then I saw their post about not feeling well. Sloth, I hope your visit to the doctor goes well and you start feeling better. I want to give them more time to play the game before I vote to yeet them.

FTF is supposed to be my PM partner, but he never opened one with me. However I do not feel like his sporadic posting warrants getting booted off the island today.

I do not understand the entire interaction between AM and Mel (including the PMs), but I am more suspicious of Mel right now. I know this could be partially attributed to his game meta, but I cannot shake the feeling that he is a wolf.
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Nothing in here to say why pippy is suddenly a wolf read after she was previously leaning village, and I'm raising an eyebrow at reading pippy wolf if mel was her top wolf read - that in and of itself does not follow for me. And I still don't get the mayo read. Of the reasoning given for wolf reads, all are hedgey.
alleycat03 said:
Yeet Mel

I am currently most suspicious of him. I will check back in closer to the yeet deadline, but I think my vote is best on him and not FTF today. After the noob game and those bandwagon votes that later caused me to be under suspicion, I am hesitant to jump on one just because other people are voting for someone and they seem suspicious.
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Seems more concerned about how her voting pattern looks to others than voting for her top wolf read. Not to mention...the mel vote was only one behind the FTF vote at this time, I think this vote tied it at 5 unless i missed something.
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Wait if FTF is voted off then I get to talk to Samac? Hmmm that might change my vote.
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I'm wavering on whether a wolf would post this lol
 
PippyPony said:
I have an opinion on that vote...

I voted SAR on a tone read, and honestly didn't see that BC had voted for her. I did think it was interesting in retrospect that BC was sitting on that vote alone...I actually was meaning to back and look at the timing, but whenever there are big wagons and a wolf is notably voting off of them, it makes me wonder if they saw an opportunity for a safe vote on a fellow wolf.
Would be less relevant if BC voted early and tried to get momentum going on SAR.
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From my memory BC was really pushing SAR after her push on vis fell apart/started making her look suspicious. But my interpretation of it is clouded by my existing village read on SAR.
 
Night 2B

Dl6D.gif


Some players hunkered down in their tents, bent on sleeping.

"Hey, something weird is happening. Look."

The players dared a glance at the sky, seeing the darkness of night melt away and the moon be replaced by an early morning dawn. Wha.....

Someone thought they heard a whisper ".....time....it is running...."

It is *SUDDENLY* Day 3. Vote/yeet deadline is 10pm EST (9pm CST/8pm MST/7pm fantasyland) on Friday, 1/8/2021.

*STILL* 18 survivors

Roster:

2. @Animal Midwife
3. @genny
4. @vetmedhead
6. @SARdoghandler
7. @WildZoo
9. @Cyndia
10. @sunshinefl
12. @PhiloslothicalStudent
17. @Viscernable
20. @kraskadva
21. @samac
23. @alleycat03
24. @Aprilthearab
25. @vetschoolsletmeinplease
26. @The_Breadmann
27. @holdthemayo
29. @SportPonies
30. @PippyPony

Lost to the Abyss
5. @CoffeeQuestionMark - Thomas from The Maze Runner, village hider
18. @Zeppelyn - Michele Santana from 3%, vanillager
15. @savethecows - [redacted]
19. @Crayola227 - Bellamy Blake from The 100, village healer
16. @BigCats - War of the Four Horsemen, wolf blocker
11. @Matthew9Thirtyfive - Lenina Crowne from Brave New World, vanillager
28. @mmmdreamerz - Wall-E from Wall-E, village mirror
13. @Barkley13 - Jake Sully from Avatar, village watcher
14. @alissa14 - Malorie Hayes from Bird Box, vanillager
1. @Melchizedek - Walter White from Breaking Bad, village gifter
8. @Amanasoul - Nannette Cole from Black Mirror, vanillager
22. @Dr. ForgotToFlush - Mark Watney from The Martian, 1x vote-proof villager


spectator-potatoes
Lawpy
Ski
WonderingStudent
supershorty


~*~*~*Table of Contents*~*~*~​
 
WildZoo said:
From my memory BC was really pushing SAR after her push on vis fell apart/started making her look suspicious. But my interpretation of it is clouded by my existing village read on SAR.
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Ok well that would substantially change my interpretation of that vote. Thanks, I should probably go look at it.

On your post you just made... I was weighing the same thing with alleycat's post about talking to samac. That seemed... really blatantly sketchy for a wolf to say on the thread lol.
 
PippyPony said:
Thank you night cancel; usually I hate that but in this game I appreciate it for reasons
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For some reason it didn't click with me that this was a total night cancel until I read this. Is this a feature of the game or from last night's request to hold off on violence after real world events?
 
PippyPony said:
I said that thing about the night cancel, and then I re-read the write up, and a little voice in my head whispered "but the last line sounds creepy and look at that clock gif"

I can't shake the feeling that we're all running towards our doom lol

Tick tock tick tock
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I read it the same way.

"".....time....it is running...." this sentence probably ends with "out."
 
PippyPony said:
Ok well that would substantially change my interpretation of that vote. Thanks, I should probably go look at it.

On your post you just made... I was weighing the same thing with alleycat's post about talking to samac. That seemed... really blatantly sketchy for a wolf to say on the thread lol.
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Yeah, that's the one rub, but otherwise her vote placement yesterday makes me wonder if there was already a wolf on the ftf vote and they were looking to diversify.

Would love to hear from some of the other noobs about whether alley was this hedgey in the noob game, as I said I did a lot of skimming the thread.
 
WildZoo said:
Yeah, that's the one rub, but otherwise her vote placement yesterday makes me wonder if there was already a wolf on the ftf vote and they were looking to diversify.

Would love to hear from some of the other noobs about whether alley was this hedgey in the noob game, as I said I did a lot of skimming the thread.
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At the beginning of the game she was pretty hedgey. I also kept her on the defensive for a lot of that game, so I think she was forced to play differently than she would have preferred.

She did step up better towards the end of that game. I've been reading her as noob village, but it's slipping.
 
WildZoo said:
Yeah, that's the one rub, but otherwise her vote placement yesterday makes me wonder if there was already a wolf on the ftf vote and they were looking to diversify.

Would love to hear from some of the other noobs about whether alley was this hedgey in the noob game, as I said I did a lot of skimming the thread.
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alleycat, April, and vetschool were some of the hardest for me to read in the noob game, and they are alluding me again.

and of course bread but everyone agrees on that.

What I really found interesting about the noob game, is that mostly the people who lasted until the attend were the ones I had the least read on. Whether my reads on others were right or wrong, anyone I had a strong read on was out.
 
WildZoo said:
Yeah, that's the one rub, but otherwise her vote placement yesterday makes me wonder if there was already a wolf on the ftf vote and they were looking to diversify.

Would love to hear from some of the other noobs about whether alley was this hedgey in the noob game, as I said I did a lot of skimming the thread.
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I would have to look back at Alley's activity in the last game and this game to actually answer your question but I will say Alley narrowly missed the chopping block at least a couple times due to suspicion in the noob game then flipped village (I'm pretty sure?). I don't remember what the suspicion was based off of.
 
What large majority would that be @PhiloslothicalStudent? None of these have been proven incorrect so far
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So far my reads:
Village:
Mayo
Samac
Vis
Allycat
Mel

Neutral/unsure:
FTF
SAR
AM (keep going back and forth)
SportPonies (also keep going back and forth)

Wolf-lean:
Pippy
Genny


Still working out others....
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PhiloslothicalStudent said:
Others that died before that list was posted.
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That doesn't really explain why you would be re-evaluating everything from that list, or why, as pip pointed out, you would base thoughts on another player on comments made by your top wolf reads. Any reason in particular why pippy and genny aren't your top wolf reads anymore?
 
WildZoo said:
That doesn't really explain why you would be re-evaluating everything from that list, or why, as pip pointed out, you would base thoughts on another player on comments made by your top wolf reads. Any reason in particular why pippy and genny aren't your top wolf reads anymore?
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True, mostly re-evaluating wolf reads and a few of the village reads, along trying to get a better read on those I have as neutral/unsure.
 
samac said:
Well the AM train looks dead. I don’t really feel good about this but one of those might get me into a conversation that’s actually helpful sooooo....
Unyeet AM
Yeet ftf
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Looking back on this, kind of seems weird, Samac kind of justified her vote when questioned but this would be a good way to cover up an intentional village yeet - "But I said I didn't feel good about it"
genny said:
Could just be noobishness with sloth, but the sheeping votes and reticence to say much. And part of the day 1 vote where the mayo wagon starts to drop off while the BC wagon takes off. April was a part of that too.
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Mayo was a salt/joke vote, I was the first one who voted mayo on page 1 or 2 but I always had the intention of pulling my vote off of that once things got more serious. Then I changed to Coffee. I'm not quite understanding where I was a part of "that"?
 
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