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Depends on how quality said contributions are.
Fair point. Are you wolf reading MsP or are you yeeting her for lack of participation. I have a hard time seeing how you can wolf read MsP when she has barely posted. And it has been discussed already that her being AFK is NAI. Who else is in your POE?
 
Now it’s so hard actually deciding how I’m reading people, because everyone seems to be very village-like right now.

Okay, but if you had to pick a couple of wolves, whose the top of the list?

As much as I love the thematic styling, the vote itself is scaring me. Feels retaliatory while trying not to look retailiatory (vote shorty who pushed against sunny’s defense of cray, instead of voting samac who forst voted cray).

I'm not following what you mean, can you clarify this or quote the posts where you did?
 
Hedgy with weird justfication, imo. Put her on my radar early. The "pressure vote" without a tag or any further follow-up pushed her out of neutral though.
How is it hedgey?
 
It sounds like a "well this is kind of sus, but maybe not" kind of argument with poor justification. Looks like soft shade to see if anything will stick or a weak feel to appear to be hunting more than she actually was.
I...don't see the maybe not part
 
Fair point. Are you wolf reading MsP or are you yeeting her for lack of participation. I have a hard time seeing how you can wolf read MsP when she has barely posted. And it has been discussed already that her being AFK is NAI. Who else is in your POE?
MsP can post better than this. I don't know that she's afk versus lurking. I'm looking into others currently to see what sticks out.
 
I'm confused as to what's hedgy about it. That looks like a definitive stance. Also, what is the weird justification?

See above for hedgy, that's a pretty generous use of the term "definitive stance". That statement looks anything but definitive. Same with the "pressure vote". Early mechanics talk being justification. That's not unusual at all in games with known mechanics mentioned in write-up.
 
Huh? I just don't feel like putting a huge wall post with deep analysis of every player and quotes and yadda yadda because that takes me hours to do. So my point being, while I am available and active on thread, my post was to ask if anyone wanted furtherexplanation as to what I've posted so far

It just strikes me as really odd behavior to show up on the thread and invite people to ask you questions when no one is focused on you. Surely if people had questions for you they would have asked them.

And this response isn't making me feel any better about it because to me it essentially sounds like "I could contribute, but I don't want to so unless anybody has questions for me, I'll just be chilling"

oust alissa
 
Hi everyone,

A complicated personal emergency has come up and I may not be available this evening depending on how it goes. I'm sorry for the possible disruption and would appreciate any good luck vibes. 🙁

I'll update everyone later on any impacts to the game timelines as I get more of a handle on it.
 
I don't really understand the zenge votes, I think he's contributing a lot to gameplay and more than just "but muh gurlfrend" like I've seen mentioned as a reason against him. He's certainly had thoughts on more than just her

@genny I saw you were the first vote on him, has his play today changed your thoughts at all?
He seems to be laying low. Not sure yet whether that changes my opinion. I think the defense of shorty that initially pinged me - I’m reading it a little differently now. I am probably going to switch my vote later when I get off work.
 
See above for hedgy, that's a pretty generous use of the term "definitive stance". That statement looks anything but definitive. Same with the "pressure vote". Early mechanics talk being justification. That's not unusual at all in games with known mechanics mentioned in write-up.
Those aren't known mechanics though... unless you know something I don't? I still don't see it as hedgy. She said the discussion about the mechanics was weird, not "maybe it's weird but maybe it's not weird". That's picking a side in my eyes.
 
How is this weird for me? I’m the meta crusader of not pushing people for premature reads, especially early and with 100 people playing, and have said so across multiple games.

It's not that you weren't posting reads, just that you seemed to be dodging questions.

I’ve already explained this 10 times. And yeah he gave reads on like 2 people when pushed which is easy enough for a wolf to do which is again why pushing people for premature reads isn’t great wolf hunting strategy.

I know you've explained it, but it still sounds like a bit of a stretch to me. You said you're voting for him because he hasn't posted enough content, then people pointed out that he has posted more content than just about DocE and now his reads are manufactured?

I wasn’t even some big heavy busser that game I just apparently lied well lol

yeah your lies were so convincing they were making me angry in wolf chat when you hurled all those insults at me on the thread :laugh:
 
About to see a new pt (90minute appt), so will be back later. How many games have Zenge, and MKG played before?


there were some kind of royalty shenanigans involved, as by my count the final vote was
SAR - 9
DocE - 7
MsP - 3
samac - 3
Capri - 1

I'm curious to see how it pans out, but i don't think we have enough info to dig into exactly how it happened

Thanks, was curious what the actual vote tally was.
 
Those aren't known mechanics though... unless you know something I don't? I still don't see it as hedgy. She said the discussion about the mechanics was weird, not "maybe it's weird but maybe it's not weird". That's picking a side in my eyes.

Agree to disagree then. If it's picking a side, that's about as soft as you get without openly hedging. There's literally a part of the opening post titled "Special Mechanics". Even if that specific aspect wasn't mentioned, I don't find just talking about theories unusual (even if it isn't helpful).
 
It's not that you weren't posting reads, just that you seemed to be dodging questions.



I know you've explained it, but it still sounds like a bit of a stretch to me. You said you're voting for him because he hasn't posted enough content, then people pointed out that he has posted more content than just about DocE and now his reads are manufactured?



yeah your lies were so convincing they were making me angry in wolf chat when you hurled all those insults at me on the thread :laugh:
Welllllll I was trying to pull sus of you and it worked I think? Lol
 
It's not that you weren't posting reads, just that you seemed to be dodging questions.
I haven’t dodged any questions. I just haven’t always been on when they were asked. I’m doing a bunch of stuff IRL but not on rotations so my sleep schedule can be whatever I want now, but also I’m busy with residency onboarding, online medical school graduation requirements, ACLS and BLS renewal, and unpacking, etc
I know you've explained it, but it still sounds like a bit of a stretch to me. You said you're voting for him because he hasn't posted enough content, then people pointed out that he has posted more content than just about DocE and now his reads are manufactured?
On his own he has just dipped in with jokey theme posts.

then defended his IRL fiance

then gave reads on 2 specific people on being promoted (which I said *can* be manufactured)

I don’t find this to be an incongruity to what I’ve said.
 
I’ve already explained this 10 times. And yeah he gave reads on like 2 people when pushed which is easy enough for a wolf to do which is again why pushing people for premature reads isn’t great wolf hunting strategy.
I’ve given reads on more than two people Sunny.

And by the way, at the time that you’d made this post
Yeet Zenge


so far mostly just blah game theme-related jokey posts and defending his girlfriend.
I had contributed more game content posts to the thread than you had. So to claiming that I’ve mostly made joke posts was pretty hypocritical and disingenuous then, and continues to be disingenuous now.
 
I really dislike your sudden ignoring of veteran players being rude to newer players on thread, which as I recall is something you hate and have always been riled up by. Having a hard time seeing you support DocE at all given that.
Just curious, have you played with Sun before? I'm pretty sure I haven't played with you before (but my memory is crap) and I'm wondering if you got that impression from playing with her previously or totting games or what.

That thought crossed my mind about Sun too but I'm not giving her wolf points for that specific thing because I know she doesn't typically get along with Shorty.
 
I will hopefully be back before yeet close, but for now I'll

YEET DOCE


this is the only post I've found that isnt just about Shorty, but its still limited to those involved in the dumpster fire of a discussion yesterday. There are 28 people in this game, reads should not be limited to those who have directly opposed you/have sheeped you.

Un-unalive shorty. We can circle back on this as needed.
Kill mkg323

So at this point you're quoting my posts from a few hours ago so I can assume you're caught up. Which means you have seen a bunch of early votes against me and scores of people coming out and telling those early voters that they are wrong and that they are seemingly just reacting to my play style. Pretty much everyone who knows me has come out and said that, sure I am tricky, but that this is completely par for the course from me and doesn't ring wolf at all (at least as far anything I do can be *clearly* anything. See: admission that I'm tricky). You have read multiple other people, including ones who said they disagree with the specifics of MY argument, say shorty is acting oddly. Take that as you will, but it lends some credence to me not being crazy. You have seen me repeatedly state that part of this whole "thing" is that it engenders conversation from everyone and we can use this to interpret. and you quoted a post where I made it very clear that I have no intention of spelling out my opinions on other people, even though I have lots of things on other people. this is also highly consistent for how I played every game for over 10 years, something that I'm sure lots of the veteran players will now begin confirming for me.

You have read all of this. You have absorbed all of this. And yet, The only argument you give is that you don't like the fact that I'm doing something that is strategically and incredibly sound move? And a strategic sound move that I explained?

Yeah. You get the new lynch vote. Particularly given that your post can be summarized as "I'll check in again if it's convenient for me. Lynch the easiest target. Here is a completely nonsense reason that is devoid of any merit and directly contradicts the actual person who I am quoting, But hopefully no one analyzes it too much. Deuces." There are very few things short of "getting caught with your pants down accidentally leaking wolf strategy on the main thread" that are guaranteed wolf finds. But there is certain stuff that villagers can do but are just very wolfy in and of themselves. This move really feels like one of those.

Feel free to recant your previous post, but it's going to take a lot of effort for me to feel like this wasn't a sloppy move. And I don't really care if it's a sloppy wolf move or a sloppy villager move.
 
Agree to disagree then. If it's picking a side, that's about as soft as you get without openly hedging. There's literally a part of the opening post titled "Special Mechanics". Even if that specific aspect wasn't mentioned, I don't find just talking about theories unusual (even if it isn't helpful).
So you think talking about mechanics that have the potential to not be helpful (and therefore become a distraction) shouldn't be called out?
 
Un-unalive shorty. We can circle back on this as needed.
Kill mkg323

So at this point you're quoting my posts from a few hours ago so I can assume you're caught up. Which means you have seen a bunch of early votes against me and scores of people coming out and telling those early voters that they are wrong and that they are seemingly just reacting to my play style. Pretty much everyone who knows me has come out and said that, sure I am tricky, but that this is completely par for the course from me and doesn't ring wolf at all (at least as far anything I do can be *clearly* anything. See: admission that I'm tricky). You have read multiple other people, including ones who said they disagree with the specifics of MY argument, say shorty is acting oddly. Take that as you will, but it lends some credence to me not being crazy. You have seen me repeatedly state that part of this whole "thing" is that it engenders conversation from everyone and we can use this to interpret. and you quoted a post where I made it very clear that I have no intention of spelling out my opinions on other people, even though I have lots of things on other people. this is also highly consistent for how I played every game for over 10 years, something that I'm sure lots of the veteran players will now begin confirming for me.

You have read all of this. You have absorbed all of this. And yet, The only argument you give is that you don't like the fact that I'm doing something that is strategically and incredibly sound move? And a strategic sound move that I explained?

Yeah. You get the new lynch vote. Particularly given that your post can be summarized as "I'll check in again if it's convenient for me. Lynch the easiest target. Here is a completely nonsense reason that is devoid of any merit and directly contradicts the actual person who I am quoting, But hopefully no one analyzes it too much. Deuces." There are very few things short of "getting caught with your pants down accidentally leaking wolf strategy on the main thread" that are guaranteed wolf finds. But there is certain stuff that villagers can do but are just very wolfy in and of themselves. This move really feels like one of those.

Feel free to recant your previous post, but it's going to take a lot of effort for me to feel like this wasn't a sloppy move. And I don't really care if it's a sloppy wolf move or a sloppy villager move.
I like how you're still hyperfocusing on the people who are going against you. 😀
 
I’ve given reads on more than two people Sunny.

And by the way, at the time that you’d made this post I had contributed more game content posts to the thread than you had. So to claiming that I’ve mostly made joke posts was pretty hypocritical and disingenuous then, and continues to be disingenuous now.
Well I didn’t count them and I’m not putting your posts against mine, I’m looking for sus. And you stuck out to me as making several hokey theme posts.
 
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Feel free to recant your previous post, but it's going to take a lot of effort for me to feel like this wasn't a sloppy move. And I don't really care if it's a sloppy wolf move or a sloppy villager move.

By the way if you ever want "on brand" DocE it's going to be my belief that, when you simulate games, stupid villagers who do stupid things* win the game for wolves. So a villager making bad decisions (you can think I'm a wolf all you want but the reasoning by mkg was not sound) and dying is the second best outcome to a wolf kill.

I have no problem saying that people who make bad reads need to die. It's easier to interpret bad reads when I'm part of the equation because I am a known quantity to me. I know I'm a villager. As I know the identity of more people in death the interpretation of others interactions with others becomes easier.
 
MsP can post better than this. I don't know that she's afk versus lurking. I'm looking into others currently to see what sticks out.
who would the others be? this pings me
It just strikes me as really odd behavior to show up on the thread and invite people to ask you questions when no one is focused on you. Surely if people had questions for you they would have asked them.

And this response isn't making me feel any better about it because to me it essentially sounds like "I could contribute, but I don't want to so unless anybody has questions for me, I'll just be chilling"

oust alissa
I'm just trying to avoid living and breathing a WW game. It takes the fun out of it for me. And this isn't the first time I have publicly asked if anyone had specific questions for me. It helps me navigate when I have limited time to play. Is this a wolf read? Who else is in your POE??
 
Just curious, have you played with Sun before? I'm pretty sure I haven't played with you before (but my memory is crap) and I'm wondering if you got that impression from playing with her previously or totting games or what.

That thought crossed my mind about Sun too but I'm not giving her wolf points for that specific thing because I know she doesn't typically get along with Shorty.
Exactly.

but also, everyone keeps saying it’s weird of me not to call out doc E for it. So then people are reading us as packmates or what. Because I’m not sure why it’s my job to police his interaction with shorty. And if we were packmates couldn’t I just as easily say something to him on the thread to avoid this scrutiny I’m now getting for not doing so? Like I don’t even understand peoples point within the game about me not fighting with him for fighting with shorty.
 
Unyeet zenge
I’m not feeling the DocE wagon either

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who would the others be? this pings me

I'm just trying to avoid living and breathing a WW game. It takes the fun out of it for me. And this isn't the first time I have publicly asked if anyone had specific questions for me. It helps me navigate when I have limited time to play. Is this a wolf read? Who else is in your POE??

Okay, I'm not a big fan of all the acronyms. Is POE supposed to be process of elimination? Why would I have a process of elimination on day 1? What is that even supposed to mean in this context?
 
Okay, I'm not a big fan of all the acronyms. Is POE supposed to be process of elimination? Why would I have a process of elimination on day 1? What is that even supposed to mean in this context?
yes but it can also be pot of evil, pool of eels, etc. I feel like there has been more of a push lately to get more solid reads out there on D1. Plus there are 23 pages of thread. Are you telling me not one single player has given you wolfy vibes yet? Because it seems to me you're voting for me strictly off of one post you didn't like that nobody else seems to have an issue with
 
You are a buffoon if you ignore the entire part of the roster that isn't interacting with you.
I literally wrote out that I have a spreadsheet with my thoughts on every single person but I am not going to make that public. But that I'm concerned that my opinions on day one with absolutely no information are mostly noise and little signal. So there's no way in hell I'm going to broadcast my opinions on anyone else because it just makes me a pawn for wolves to point where they want (on people I'm wrong about) and redirect away from anyone I'm right about. it lets them know which one of the wolves are doing a good job or a bad job. I don't want to give them that information.

And then I further clarified in a different post that I focus intensely on the people who interact with me today because there is no other information I can rely on except for knowing that I'm a villager. so I can focus on that and look at who appears to be criticizing me for valid reasons and who appears to be criticizing me because they're lazy and who appears to be criticizing me to try to knock me out of the game when it's easy - early - rather than when it's much harder later in the game because this whole nonsense generally does end up catching a wolf, two if I'm lucky, when it's used in hindsight a few days into the game.

Even LIS said so. That if I pop villager on death that wolves will be identifiable by who was on board with this stupid lynch of my style rather than my substance.
 
Well I frequently get chastised for this from vet players
They criticize you for relying on the fact that you know you're a villager and basing most of your day one reads on that info? They're objectively wrong for that. This is why prevet is the decelopmental league. and I say that as someone who has created game specifically for here. It's where good game design ideas are made, but not where good strategy is the standard.

Or do you get chastised for always throwing out all of your opinions of everyone? Don't do that. That's just bad strategy until you actually have enough solid information to have your opinions mean anything.
 
It was night 0 so that doesn’t feel strange to me.

Night zero doesn't need to have a kill. I agree. But if it DID have a kill we would have some info to work with. That's the point. We are on day 1 without any info from night zero. The lack of info from night zero isn't odd, just context I'm giving because some games would have had night zero be used
 
yes but it can also be pot of evil, pool of eels, etc. I feel like there has been more of a push lately to get more solid reads out there on D1. Plus there are 23 pages of thread. Are you telling me not one single player has given you wolfy vibes yet? Because it seems to me you're voting for me strictly off of one post you didn't like that nobody else seems to have an issue with

I've been playing WW long enough that I know how I like to do it and what works for me. I'm open to new things sometimes but "this is what other people have been pushing lately" isn't a compelling reason for me to switch up how I play. D1 reads are hardly ever "solid" because no one really has much of anything to go off of.

I've gave thoughts on April previously. I've had thoughts on DocE but I thought it unnecessary to repeat the same crap everyone else is already saying--he acts sketchy but it's also NAI and I'd rather not oust him immediately.

No, there hasn't been a whole lot of wolfy vibes for me in this single day cycle of posting. A lot of these players are new to me. The ones that aren't are largely acting like themselves.

Your post jumped out at me as weird. I asked you about it. You gave a response that--in my opinion--made it worse. So I voted for you.
 
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