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[PippyPony]

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Day Two - Keep Calm and WW On - Vote Tally

AM (1) - samac
Alissa (1) - AM
Zenge (1) - Cray
Bobloblaw (2) - Ms P, DocE
Viscernable (4) - dina, cyndia, capri, sunshine
LIS (1) - Dubz
Mayo (1) - genny

still only 11/24 players voting ... *sad mod noises*
Voting closes in ~21 hours

 

[alleycat03]

Yeah, after having wolfed with Cyndia in Bioshock, that’s been on my mind too. It’s very similar, but I’m not sure if that’s just how she plays or if it’s more indicative of wolfing for her.

@alleycat03 what are your thoughts on Cyndia, having just wolfed with her.

I'm still not sure how I feel about her, even after getting caught up over the past 22 pages. She feels the exact same as last game when she was wolfing, but I know her busy schedule is NAI. I feel like she is slightly more invested in the thread during this game though. Her posts tonight made me feel a bit better, though not enough to move her out of the POE.

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I had this saved to quote for some reason, not sure why. I think I was hoping Cray would clarify on this post from when she was restricted.

Dina hasn't said much, and popping on mostly to shade Alley gave me feels.

Same here. I know that I haven't quite proven my village-ness to everyone, but I thought the shade she threw was odd.

@alleycat03 Hi! I just saw you liked one of my posts, and realized I'd completely forgotten you were playing. Are you catching up? Do you have any current reads or thoughts you can share?

I just spent the past like 3.5 hours catching up on the previous 22 pages. It was a wild ride. Currently feeling very conflicted because most of my village reads died, but right now the people I am most sus of are DocE, Bread, Vis, Sporty, Stagg, Z, AM, Finn, and Cyndia. I still feel pretty unsure about LIS, Alissa, Capri, Barks, and Dina. I feel okay about Sunny, DubZ, Samac, Bob, MsP, genny, Cray, and shorty (now Mayo).

Don’t get me wrong, I think I’m onto something with location mattering for the majority of people and Robin helped solidly that, but I guess I can’t be sure and people aren’t buying it.
If someone else has a better idea to sus out the sheriff I’m also happy to listen to that. I’m satisfied right now if people keep a healthy amount of skepticism about AM and Finn.

one thing interesting though is since my tinfoil Finn has went poof. Where she at?

I'm drinking the koolaid that Samac is pouring. Based on knowledge of my own role, I do think that location is important to each character. I'm not quite ready to go fully gun-ho on AM and Finn, especially since it's not certain that the sheriff is in the North, but I will be keeping an eye on both of them. I do think that the write-up flairs heavily hint to the sheriff being involved in the game, and I definitely see the reasoning why he would be a character that is placed in the north group.

I know this isn’t directed at me, but I started off the game feeling fine about Alley, but she hasn’t posted since Sunday, and I know she’s been here because she liked one of my posts recently and then didn’t respond to me when I tagged her asking for reads. I don’t feel good about that at all.

Sorry I was busy the past few days!! I had to dedicate some serious time to get caught up today.

The long cycles are already getting to me. My intent was pretty much to just read posts today (to avoid having a backlog to catch up on) but not really engage too much unless someone spoke to me and then hopefully feel more energized about contributing tomorrow.

I would have happily checked out altogether for the day but you guys talk so much that if I did that I'd probably start crying in the morning at the amount I'd have to catch up on.

Like mother, like daughter I guess. I'm not intentionally lurking, actually I tried reading throughout the day but didn't have time to get on my laptop until tonight. I am not post restricted, and I will gladly answer any questions you all have for me.

 

[LetItSnow]

As I mentioned it's not his absence, but a difference in engagement when he is here. He almost exclusively posted about AM when he was here yesterday and hardly mentioned anything else.

You're seriously arguing that me zoning in on one person or issue isn't typical for me?

Ok.

I also note that you mentioned surfing under the radar; when the vast majority of your posts have been one- or two-liners with carefully crafted lack of engagement.

 

[alleycat03]

Reasons for each wolfread:

DocE: Maybe just a different type of WW player, but I really do not like his posts and how he decides to yeet people. I'm willing to back off since he is apparently a policy mid-game yeet, but he just screams sketch to me, and that's why he got my vote yesterday. I have a theory with the PM election, but I can't prove it so it'll remain a tinfoil for now.

Bread: very quiet, has not produced a lot of content to go through. I know he's been busy recently so he is another person to watch.

Vis: Her yeet is gaining some traction, which makes me a bit wary, but several of her posts have pinged me. The one that bothered me the most was her vote for April with only 10 mins left, yet she expected April to defend herself somehow?

Sporty: Has been relatively quiet, and I made note that her main contribution was to tell us to stop discussing mechanics today.

Stagg: largely absent, I think he's been flying under the radar

Z: several of his posts have been fluffy and I do not follow the logic in them. As others have said, he feels more like wolf Z and I have read a few things that set off my wolfdar. He is an easy misyeet though, so I'm keeping that in mind.

AM: Her tone seems village, but I think she is a top suspect for the sheriff.

Finn: has not contributed much to game solving or wolf hunting, and she has been pretty quiet for most of this cycle, except for the past few hours. She is also a suspect for the sheriff.

Cyndia: She appears to be contributing to the game at a bare minimum. I know she is busy, but I don't think I can move her to village yet.

 

[LetItSnow]

Only alley, LIS, and Stagg.

Not post-restricted. Just not checking in until this afternoon.

 

[Barkley13]

I'm still not sure how I feel about her, even after getting caught up over the past 22 pages. She feels the exact same as last game when she was wolfing, but I know her busy schedule is NAI. I feel like she is slightly more invested in the thread during this game though. Her posts tonight made me feel a bit better, though not enough to move her out of the POE.

Her one post where she dropped a yeet and said she wouldn’t be around?

 

[LetItSnow]

VMH=meats.
also, HI LIS YOU READY TO OPEN A PM WITH ME TO BE CRYPTIC AND CONFUSE ME YET?
cause I’m so ready.

I guess.

I mean, I have never been one for PM'ing much, but ... I haven't opened one with anyone else yet, so sure.

And for the record --- YOU WERE THE ONE WHO COULD HAVE CLARIFIED THINGS QUICKLY IN THE LAST GAME. I was really freaking open about my neutral role in thread and you played all coy in PMs.

Jerk. 🙂 🙂

 

[alleycat03]

Her one post where she dropped a yeet and said she wouldn’t be around?

When I did an ISO on Cyndia, I didn't check the dates close enough. I meant the posts she had late yesterday, around yeet. Even more reason for her to contribute more tomorrow.

 

[Barkley13]

I have a theory with the PM election, but I can't prove it so it'll remain a tinfoil for now.

Is your theory that him and SAR are both royals? Because he outright said that earlier today

 

[WildZoo]

You're seriously arguing that me zoning in on one person or issue isn't typical for me?

Ok.

I also note that you mentioned surfing under the radar; when the vast majority of your posts have been one- or two-liners with carefully crafted lack of engagement.

It wasn't the impression I got from watching from the modlines during Bioshock. Your play feels different to me here. I don't have a long enough meta memory to say if it's typical of your play from the before times.

Short targeted posts are not atypical for me. And I'll note the last time someone tried to shade me for it, it was manufactured wolf nonsense (@samac can confirm). So that doesn't really make me feel better here lol

 

[WildZoo]

I don't really know what you mean by lack of engagement in my posts though

 

[Barkley13]

Currently feeling very conflicted because most of my village reads died, but right now the people I am most sus of are DocE, Bread, Vis, Sporty, Stagg, Z, AM, Finn, and Cyndia. I still feel pretty unsure about LIS, Alissa, Capri, Barks, and Dina. I feel okay about Sunny, DubZ, Samac, Bob, MsP, genny, Cray, and shorty (now Mayo).

One more thing. You forgot mkg

 

[LetItSnow]

Why would I let people know that I was around when I didn't want to engage? What would be the point in that?

I'm not working. I'm on vacation this week. I just don't want to be fully engaged in this game for 36 hours (minus sleep) per cycle. I didn't think that was worthy of an announcement. I'm only telling you now because you asked where I went.

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I feel this. The whole cycle thing is hard whether it's short or not once you have responsibilities. I know school seems overly burdensome, and god knows it sucks, but you actually have tons of time to be online in school - middle of classes, while studying, etc. Once you're in practice (or raising kids or ...), it's just not so easy.

With my schedule I come and go, and when I work, it's usually 2-3 days at a time, 14 hr/day shifts. There is no way I'm participating when my 14-hr shift goes to 16 hours, I have a 30-minute drive time at either end, leaving me 7 hours at home to eat/shower/sleep/other things. I feel like the on-again off-again stuff gets viewed as sus, which is understandable but sucks. And when you are off, it's hard to come back and dive in deeply.

Very very gently toying with the idea of some sort of cap system that still encourages participation. I don't like the idea of a min+max post count for players. So rather than do days/nights based on time (12-hr, 24-hr, 36-hr cycles) and rather than min/max-cap players, I was debating how to implement a page cap.

Something like: N0 caps at Pg 2, D1 caps at Pg 4, N2 caps at Pg 5, D2 caps at Pg 7, etc.

Something that encourages players to get online and post early in the cycle, or they might lose their chance if other players have jumped in. Encourages players to plant flags early, otherwise they won't get a chance and that will likely be viewed as sus.

It would definitely suck if your schedule means you miss an opportunity, but it would limit how long it takes people to catch up and it would force early engagement.

Dunno. It definitely has cons. But I'm tempted to see how it would work.

ETA: Putting stars around it since it's entirely not game-related.
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[LetItSnow]

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Ironically I believe I earned this nickname from you calling me a meathead for acting like a meathead in one of my earliest games
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Hm. I'm not saying it's NOT true, but 'meathead' isn't a term I typically use, so I kinda doubt it?

I definitely would say something like that, but .... that's not often in my vocab.

 

[vetmedhead]

Hm. I'm not saying it's NOT true, but 'meathead' isn't a term I typically use, so I kinda doubt it?

I definitely would say something like that, but .... that's not often in my vocab.

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I think it might have been an intentional pun on the medhead part of my username? It was a long time ago so I'm fuzzy on details and might have imagined this origin story
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[LetItSnow]

How do you protect royalty/other villagers on WW?

Depends on what you mean.

I meant that as a general game-mechanic thought. Specifically, though, an angel PR, presuming one exists, which I would be surprised if it doesn't.

 

[LetItSnow]

It wasn't the impression I got from watching from the modlines during Bioshock. Your play feels different to me here. I don't have a long enough meta memory to say if it's typical of your play from the before times.

Short targeted posts are not atypical for me. And I'll note the last time someone tried to shade me for it, it was manufactured wolf nonsense (@samac can confirm). So that doesn't really make me feel better here lol

Fair 'nuff.

I'm not sure it's really safe to refer to a meta that is literally years old and a lot of change in life since then.

But I'll still let it go. Don't have any response. *shrug*

I'm not saying that short posts aren't typical for you, but my sense in this game is that they largely haven't been as targeted as I'd expect.

 

[LetItSnow]

For now:

lynch sunshine

because I see no reason to leave that vote behind and I'm not compelled by the bobloblaw or zenge wagons.

 

[Animal Midwife]

For now:

lynch sunshine

because I see no reason to leave that vote behind and I'm not compelled by the bobloblaw or zenge wagons.

How do you feel about the Vis wagon?

 

[LetItSnow]

How do you feel about the Vis wagon?

I actually meant to say bobloblaw and vis wagons. I don't see why Vis is being read wolf.

 

[LetItSnow]

@samac .... I open a convo with you and you vanish. I see how it is.

You must be a radiologist. That's how they are. Shoot you a report, and then when you stand there open-jawed wondering which recreational drug they were using when they interpreted your CT/MR and go to call them, you get a message that says their regular hours are 8:16AM to 8:19AM and 4:32PM to 4:35PM, please leave a message and they will get back to you after they return from their 2-week golfing trip to Scotland.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I actually meant to say bobloblaw and vis wagons. I don't see why Vis is being read wolf.

What has you village leaning her?

 

[LetItSnow]

What has you village leaning her?

I didn't see anything in Vis's posts to click the wolf box in my brain.

I didn't, btw, say I village-leaned Vis. I said "I don't see why Vis is being read wolf."

Those are different things, and you're well aware of that, so don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I didn't see anything in Vis's posts to click the wolf box in my brain.

I didn't, btw, say I village-leaned Vis. I said "I don't see why Vis is being read wolf."

Those are different things, and you're well aware of that, so don't put words in my mouth.

They aren't in my mind. Unless someone specifically says someone's a neutral read, I tend to assume "not wolf = village". I also take no issue in my neutrals getting pressured.

 

[holdthemayo]

Still very much catching up, but prefer to have a vote out there.


But nonetheless, bound by this condition

Must be the choice of everyone that’s here,

That she shall yet agree to his decision,

Whoever it is that shall her fate appear;

This is our custom ever, from year to year;

And he who at this time would find grace,

At blessed time has come unto this place.

The words, new, and strange to our ear

A YEET to DocE justly doth appear

 

[Crayola227]

I re-read the opening when Shorty quoted it after night results.

Suggests that royalty needs to be protected, not just the queen?

I think it just means we need to keep the villagers from all being slaughtered.

 

[Crayola227]

I understand that it's basically a worthless thing to go off of now that everyone knows about it, but it still triggers me



Okay but if you see a difference in her play every game then I would argue you won't know when she's a wolf. Sure, eventually you'll probably be right and she'll flip wolf, but at that point it's not because you read her correctly.

The point is to pick up on the difference, then characterize it and discover why - if it's wolfy or not. Detecting the change in tone is half the battle and worth bringing up to the village to see what they are observing as well, and for a player to defend themselves.

Yeesh, it's not like every time I say it's wolfy or even vote her.

But acting like I shouldn't talk about it when it *is* there is weird.

 

[Crayola227]

How do you protect royalty/other villagers on WW?

There are specific power roles that often have protective powers. The most common and basic is called protector, but there's many variations and different ones. Sometimes a jailer (which often just prevents a player it's used in from moving or using their own power) can have a side effect of protecting the jailed player. Often such roles cannot be used on the same player 2 nights in a row, to prevent a "broken" set up where a player is unkillable until the protector dies by NK or lunch.

 

[Crayola227]

The definition of a wagon is someone voting for someone else. There are compound words based around this to be more specific about a given situation as well (e.g. bandwagon, offwagon, counterwagon).

A wagon just refers to any number of votes on a player. Different from a bandwagon.

What's with the angery reacts to each other? I feel like I'm missing subtext.

 

[Crayola227]

Using something from outside the game to solve something in the game. MsP using Bob’s SDN tracker to monitor that he was in PMs and make the assumption that he was in woof chat is the example in this situation.

Angleshooting is more general than this. It's anything where you are skirting the bounds of breaking the official rules to try to get around them. Example might be using vote placements as a morse code to get around silencing and communicate beyond who you want to lunch.

 

[Crayola227]

I think my point was... why would it make any sense to draw attention to the fact that I was around but not posting if no one seemed to care.

Announcing that I was around wouldn't have made it any less questionable. Yes, it can be construed as lurking. That's true whether I announced it or not.

Announcing it also comes with the obvious drawback of likely requiring me to then post multiple times as people question me about it.

Maybe if you guys want 36 hour day cycles, you just shouldn't be surprised when some people aren't around for all of it. Regardless of their reasoning. Had I not been around tomorrow as well, then sure question why I disappeared. But I have every intention of posting more tomorrow.

It's useful earlier in a cycle to know who's restricted/silenced, vs possibly in a coma IRL vs forgot about the game vs lurking on purpose. A lot of us check in like that and it's usually not a huge deal. Just another way we're all adjusting to 36/12s

 

[Crayola227]

I'm still not sure how I feel about her, even after getting caught up over the past 22 pages. She feels the exact same as last game when she was wolfing, but I know her busy schedule is NAI. I feel like she is slightly more invested in the thread during this game though. Her posts tonight made me feel a bit better, though not enough to move her out of the POE.


I had this saved to quote for some reason, not sure why. I think I was hoping Cray would clarify on this post from when she was restricted.


Same here. I know that I haven't quite proven my village-ness to everyone, but I thought the shade she threw was odd.


I just spent the past like 3.5 hours catching up on the previous 22 pages. It was a wild ride. Currently feeling very conflicted because most of my village reads died, but right now the people I am most sus of are DocE, Bread, Vis, Sporty, Stagg, Z, AM, Finn, and Cyndia. I still feel pretty unsure about LIS, Alissa, Capri, Barks, and Dina. I feel okay about Sunny, DubZ, Samac, Bob, MsP, genny, Cray, and shorty (now Mayo).


I'm drinking the koolaid that Samac is pouring. Based on knowledge of my own role, I do think that location is important to each character. I'm not quite ready to go fully gun-ho on AM and Finn, especially since it's not certain that the sheriff is in the North, but I will be keeping an eye on both of them. I do think that the write-up flairs heavily hint to the sheriff being involved in the game, and I definitely see the reasoning why he would be a character that is placed in the north group.

Sorry I was busy the past few days!! I had to dedicate some serious time to get caught up today.

Like mother, like daughter I guess. I'm not intentionally lurking, actually I tried reading throughout the day but didn't have time to get on my laptop until tonight. I am not post restricted, and I will gladly answer any questions you all have for me.

I might be wrong but it seemed like a second time Zenge called out/focused on Cyndia. Kinda weird because I agree with you she feels more invested/insightful than when she wolfs. It feels like she's low hanging fruit for him and he's trying to shade her.

 

[Crayola227]

I don't really know what you mean by lack of engagement in my posts though

I feel it too but not sure if it's your wolf meta or something else

 

[Crayola227]

It really weirds me out that Cray love reacted this post because that's so unusual for her in WW games. I don't know what to think of her blindly sheeping on DocE. I don't think she'd wolf like that given the wolf play I've seen from her, but it's weird and I don't feel like I can take her out of my POE without seeing some more original thoughts from her.

I busted out some rare react emojis since I was so strapped for communication methods.

I agreed with DocE's value and maybe not his *style*, but a lot of his reasoning on strategy tends to be sound.

Also I wanted to say that I agreed with him about Shorty/Mayo at the time I agreed, no more, no less. And while I was really invested in having him stick around past D1, and in the final analysis was OK with voting him PM, that phase of the game is over.

The natural sus of DocE is starting to take over in place of warm fuzzies he is playing. DocE is a player that needs to prove his worth to village to not be voted out as a big liability.

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All this talk about DocE and I had a weird dream about him (minds out of gutter!)
For some reason my partner was called on to be a table host at an event at my uni alma mater (nvm he never attended) and pour wine. I wasn't supposed to attend for whatever reason, just not on the guest list. There was a list of guests and DocE and his wife were on it, and I was like super super excited for us to meet them and have a drink. Nvm I'm pretty sure DocE also never went to my alma mater. Anyway, they didn't show and I had to leave after having some wine. I ended up in the parking lot next to a lot of recycling dumpsters trying to get an uber home. Somehow plans were made for us to go to NYC for a doubles drink. The end.
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[Crayola227]

I think this is exactly the point being made about it monopolizing discussion though. All that catch-up and your thoughts amount to commentary on three people in a 20-something player game.

I also don't personally care at all about cray thinking shorty is off since she has said that about her every game they've played together.

This doesn't really feel like valid criticism to me, because since when does Cyndia pop on and drop a post and discuss a bunch of people or more than the highlights?

 

[Crayola227]

Yeahhh that's fair, though it was also the most recent and prominent in my mind so wanted to comment on it first. As I said, if it continues to be monopolizing conversation then it's detrimental to the village even if it's a potentially v/v interaction. But for now, I'm not interested in voting there.



I didn't realize she always goes after you, I think this is my second game with her (the last of which was bioshock). So that makes me feel a little better about cray if she always does this.

Shorty might be my new "too village to be true" read. Sorry Dubz. It hurts me, I don't like change.

Also I'm not trying to tunnel Shorty at this point or be a peenie weenie. My PbPa just has me returning to points as I re-catch up. This isn't meant to hound people (although reactions to something being revisited can be interesting) but it is also interesting to see how others react to things on a second lass through, and I hope it also clarifies things for people about how I am getting to my conclusions.

 

[Crayola227]

I'm very meta driven, so probably until I see Shorty wolf once (and not gonna read old games, sorry, besides the time games I'm not in don't affect my meta read development the same way) I'm going to be hyper alert to any changes, and I'm going to want village input on what I'm seeing.

 

[Crayola227]

A good Wolfpack would bus him as a group

Sadly bussing DocE is the kinda thing in your VCA that ends up seeming NAI. Meaning everyone loves to vote him no matter what they are. This is a joke I'm making that I hope you guys get, lol

 

[Crayola227]

When asked to provide more info, she was able to quote all of DocE's arguments intact and her own every game stance on shorty. So I think if she had more reasoning, she would have shared it already.

You guys gave me so much shyte about sheeping, is it any wonder I returned to some of these posts to explain what I couldn't explain on restriction and doing construction work all Sunday?

 

[Crayola227]

Appreciate scrutinizing a vote in favor of who you are voting for

See, and that's what I'm saying Zenge has twisted on some people to say they're wolfy. He's not unintelligent or unable to read nuance enough to mistake Devils Advocating or considering more than one angle to be some sign of wolfy contradiction. For him that's a failure of logic.

Insert where I say that the failures of logic that prove wolfiness, not just someone's thought error or quirk or whatever, is when you don't believe they would make the mistake, meaning it isn't a mistake, it's on purpose, and you don't believe they could believe what they are saying. Only wolves say things they themselves don't believe (villagers only lie to protect PRs or attempt gambits to wolf hunt)

 

[Crayola227]

What are your current thoughts on the run off candidates from last night?

Super inquisitive mode also feels like wolf zenge. It's a way to look like he's participating in wolf hunting, without having to be original, and added benefit of seeing which way the wind is blowing. Also could be done to try to "gently" cast suspicion. He has learned to be a little more subtle.

Honestly usually when someone has just wolfed if I have a bias, it's to village read them because of my dumb ape brain not doing a great job of intuitively feeling statistics. That I find him wolfy after wolfing so recently really makes me stand up and pay attention and feel concerned.

 

[Crayola227]

Agreed. And no one’s jumping to yeet her before she can explain herself with words so it’s a bit of a wait and see thing right now.

I am so prone to being pocketed by white knighting it's not even funny lol

 

[Crayola227]

you seem to be under the impression my alarm clock is broken. ¿porqué?

is that...bad...somehow?
are you not supposed to tell someone that you are pressure voting them?

I forgot capri was playing. Do not like

 

[Crayola227]

TE isn't that new of a player and admittedly likes mechanics. Wolves getting extra kills if they can correctly identify some category a player falls in is a super super super common mechanic and something that's brought up frequently the second anybody asks about roles on thread. I'd honestly be more surprised if they'd never heard of it. I'm not reading them wolf after catching up on posts, but just pointing out that I don't think it's that off the wall to find it unusual that they largely didn't mention that possibility.

My question is what do you think DocE's strategy is here assuming he's wolfy? Causing chaos is fun and all but it's also obviously settling him into the lead rn

Is alley a tone read based on recent wolfing with her or something else?

Ha I didn't know about/remember that mechanic is the irony

 

[Crayola227]

Spoiler: gifs

Does anyone else struggle with gifs with the new SDN? Does anybody know the workarounds to make them work? Smfh Google and Samsung rn

 

[Crayola227]

I mean this as lovingly as possible, but I can see cray being a very tempting post restriction candidate based on her volume of posting overall. I'd love to see how post restrictions play out over the next day or two to see how the ability is being utilized across players

Editing to add: if the restriction is also always DW specific then I can also see why cray would be an initial target. Anyway

Hahahahahajajaja if someone thought the restriction would lower my post count. Yall are getting more, the pic posts and now words.

But yes, I do LOVE Doctor Who.

 

[Crayola227]

Still kinda matters to me because this whole thing feels like a weird stretch.

If wolves being able to kill particular types of players should be ~so obvious~ to someone never exposed to the mechanic before, then why has it ever been successfully used in a game?

That you were shading Meathead and now she flips village (as did April) has me a little wigged out)

 

[Crayola227]

I am working through everything and she is a higher poster. Also kinda wanted more clarification on this but not sure since sketchy behavior can then be covered up.

This pings me. Weird logic. Don't question or point out sketchy behavior because then the wolves will cover it up? I mean, sure, but if you never accuse anyone of being suspicious, how are you ever gonna lunch them?

Trying to decide if noob comment or a nooby wolf finding it hard to find things to say.

 

[Crayola227]

I mean the reverse is always possible too--wolves not targeting people who ping as sketchy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm also not into reads lists for different reasons though.

^ Also this though. But for the sake of village sanity I think it's better to assume there is always a discoverable reason why wolves kill the players they do.
On this note I am slightly disappointed there wasn't a kill last night.
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Spoiler: probably not game related

Ooh, village on a win streak? Back in my day wolves won almost every game lol

Please do share your reasons, I'm curious.

Also kinda reads wolfy to me with the disappointment no one died. You can wifom me that if you want, but still.

 

[Crayola227]

Ok. So you have no problem with DocE's approach? Seems a bit out of character for you.

I kinda disagree here. Sunny gives AM and some others a hard time for being bullies, but I think it has more to do with her disagreeing on some fundamental ideas about gameplay + personal salt, I don't see her as some kind of anti-bullying vigilante, and I wouldn't expect her to defend Shorty here.

I think the combination of seeing someone you honestly sus, get a dressing down you think they might deserve, was at play. At least that was how I felt. Not that I thought Shorty deserved to be dressed down as a personal thing, not at all.

I thought the dressing down was possibly good for the noob growth as a player, but I guess I believe in hazing and all kinds of evil. Blame LIS, DVMD, and probably DocE too for the way they trained me. I miss the yelling by vets honestly. I'm gonna get angery reacts. I like the fighting and spice to a point.

To be clearer though, some of what DocE's word choice wasn't necessary, but the content of the criticism was mostly sound.

My impression, but I can't speak for Sunny, is that she didn't disagree with DocE's posts about gameplay or Shorty, so there wasn't anything for her to oppose but the mean words, if she was so inclined.

I think I'm trying to say where I see Sunny opposing say AM or WZ, but why we didn't see her do that with DocE.