Fire Emblem: Three HoWWses Game Thread

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miranda920 said:
I had a very busy day yesterday and I’m traveling today! I am reading and trying to keep up while formulating my opinion.

Right now it just seems that people are yeeting randomly on no basis. There really isn’t anything to go off of yet, so I’m not sure how I feel.
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It's not random. I encourage closer inspection to the arguments being made so you can track the reasoning behind each vote.
 
justafluff said:
I’m the same. I just assumed that one of the factions is the wolf one, but it might not be like that at all.
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What. Literally the only thing we do all know for certain is that there’s a wolf faction. I do not follow. Okay at this point I no longer understand what the original assumptions were and what your current assumptions are, can you clarify?
 
Wiisp said:
so u've seen their wolf game, and its pretty close to this, but u are gunna assume it might be NAI?
kinda weird given u've not seen their town game, I guess
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Oh, I think it's wolfy behavior, but mostly going off fluff's shock at zuri flipping wolf last game. This could have been feigned, but if it's genuine, it makes me wonder if this is just how he plays. Either way, it's hard for me to read him.

Edit: it's*
 
justafluff said:
I guess the part referring to me. She calls me wolfy but backtracks saying she thought I was wolfy throughout the noob game, which is irrelevant to this game.

Re: PSV I don’t have a wolfy tell. I just know she’s usually more engaged but she might be busy irl. I just pointed out that she feels different.
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Why is her historical bias in reading you irrelevant to her read of you in this game?
 
miranda920 said:
Right now it just seems that people are yeeting randomly on no basis. There really isn’t anything to go off of yet, so I’m not sure how I feel.
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I know some people are going to have this thought process, its inevitable, but it still slightly pings me, given you yourself have already stated u are busy, and chocking everyone thoughts down to "random" feels very meh
 
PlumPoppy said:
Oh, I think it's wolfy behavior, but mostly going off fluff's shock at zuri flipping wolf last game. This could have been feigned, but if it's genuine, it makes me wonder if this is just how he plays. Either way, it's hard for me to read him.

Edit: it's*
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cool, thanks for the response
 
Animal Midwife said:
You didn't mention the fakeclaim being bait until Santy already said it so I have no proof that was your plan.
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When did zuri claim it was a test? I thought he specifically said it was supposed to be clearly just a joke rather than a fakeclaim
 
PlumPoppy said:
I think zuri's aggressive interrogating seems to stick out like a sore wolfy thumb. But I wouldn't be shocked by past game bias. Which also makes it really hard to tell the difference between village!zuri and wolf!zuri. I've never seen how zuri plays village, but considering he seemed to really fool fluff our last game, I'm assuming it's very similar. For now I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm scared to be wrong again.
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I get that, but zuri is being a lot more defensive/aggressive this game to me compared to the last game. Last game he kinda fooled me for awhile by not being super defensive as a wolf...

PlumPoppy said:
I've only played one game, but they tended to be pretty quiet, so I'm trying not to let that influence me. Considering we misyeeted noob village for being noob...
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Oh yeah I don't think it's necessarily wolfy, I'd just like to hear more when they get a chance/wanted to ping them again. I've also been super busy with IRL stuff the past few days so I get it. Just a friendly reminder

PlumPoppy said:
What's making you think PSV. Is it because they've made minimal posts which being a (I'm assuming?) a more experienced player. Conversely, a noob I'm more hesitant to question being quiet. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Yes, that's pretty much it. They seem to be the most fluffy so far (not really calling anyone out/neutral responses) without being super inactive or focusing on factions (currently I think wolves were more likely to sit out of that discussion), and they're a more experienced player (I think) so I'd expect more interaction. There's not a whole lot to go on yet, and they're just my strongest wolfy vibe.
 
anyways ill be on and off for the rest of the day up until at least 30 mins before EoD, just a heads up
 
Viscernable said:
When did zuri claim it was a test? I thought he specifically said it was supposed to be clearly just a joke rather than a fakeclaim
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This line.
zuriburi said:
Tho honestly part of the reason I voted for amw was the quick jumping to responding to the fake claim like it was a genuine ask which would be a good way of covering to imply that she doesn’t know that I’m not the death knight if shes in a wolf faction with the death knight tho also I don’t know enough about the death knight in fire emblem to even know what faction they’d be but yeah you’re probably right it would have been better to not rescind so quickly so…l maybe I am the death knight???? 🤔🤔🤔☠️☠️☠️⚔️⚔️⚔️
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Animal Midwife said:
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're a wolf. Even ignoring the retcon of a retcon in this post, you've burned so many of my posts to force the discussion to keep looping back to this even when multiple people tried to redirect you to pursuits that involve talking about more than just me and the tinfoil.
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I’ve completely lost track of the claims and reasoning you and zuri have made in this argument and I need to reread it all to understand whether the perceived retcons by each side are really just misunderstanding each other and/or reasoning evolving over time
 
Animal Midwife said:
This line.
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I don’t think that’s claiming it was intended to be a test, but trying to use Santy’s advice to make use of people’s reactions anyways. He didn’t intend anyone read it as a genuine claim, but some people did, so he immediately clarified it was a joke, then Samty told him not immediately recanting in that scenario is helpful because you can get info from reactions, and so zuri tried to look at the few reactions he did get before recanting
 
zuriburi said:
You mainly asked me which other factions I was talking about and implied that my theory only made sense if I could name a faction that was a bigger threat than the wolves. And I was literally never arguing that there was another faction that was a bigger threat.
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This confuses me too, I think it’s a genuine misunderstanding from AM about what zuri was arguing, probably she was charitably assuming that there was deeper 4D chess strategy to what he was arguing but idk.
 
Viscernable said:
I don’t think that’s claiming it was intended to be a test, but trying to use Santy’s advice to make use of people’s reactions anyways. He didn’t intend anyone read it as a genuine claim, but some people did, so he immediately clarified it was a joke, then Samty told him not immediately recanting in that scenario is helpful because you can get info from reactions, and so zuri tried to look at the few reactions he did get before recanting
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Yeah, it's too convenient of "realization" timing for me given the time lapses and no questioning of anyone else that thought he was serious.
 
Animal Midwife said:
It's not random. I encourage closer inspection to the arguments being made so you can track the reasoning behind each vote.
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You’re right, I just haven’t had the chance to really sit down and understand the arguments. I will do this at the airport!
Wiisp said:
I know some people are going to have this thought process, its inevitable, but it still slightly pings me, given you yourself have already stated u are busy, and chocking everyone thoughts down to "random" feels very meh
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I will say yesterday was arguably the most stressful/important day of my life, so I really haven’t had a chance to truly analyze the responses. I am doing my best!
Maybe “random” wasn’t the best choice of words. I recognize there are cases and arguments being made, but haven’t read into them enough to form a real opinion.
 
Animal Midwife said:
There's zero reason to protect their identities if you think they'd make us lose by surviving. That's what I've said no less than five times already.
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Zuri’s argument has been that every non-wolf knows that factions exist and wolves may not. He believed that all “villagers” (wolf-opposed factions) existed in factions which named other factions in the role PM as well. He extrapolated to think if people did not appear to know about just how factional this game is, they’re wolfing. He interpreted people saying “just focus on wolfhunting for now, the factions are currently not as relevant as finding wolves” as being consistent with that mindstate of not knowing how factional the “village” is. He did not understand what exclusive factions were and I don’t believe he was ever arguing that not-wolf-but-still-exclusive factions were the biggest threat. I see where you’re coming from because it seems more than a bit contradictory to think the factions are villagey and wolves are the biggest threat but also pursue people who are saying to focus on wolfhunting. But if I give the benefit of the doubt, I can see it coming from a “villager”/anti-wolf-and-inclusive-of-at-least-some-other-faction to prioritize hunting for what he saw as perspective slips over looking for villagers based on their stated focus on wolfhunting. Particularly when considering that wolves can state “it’s most important to focus on wolfhunting” without actually doing wolfhunting (note I’m not saying I believe you/Dubz/Santy were doing that, but that I can see why villageish-zuri would still pursue people stating wolfhunting is the only current focus)
 
miranda920 said:
You’re right, I just haven’t had the chance to really sit down and understand the arguments. I will do this at the airport!

I will say yesterday was arguably the most stressful/important day of my life, so I really haven’t had a chance to truly analyze the responses. I am doing my best!
Maybe “random” wasn’t the best choice of words. I recognize there are cases and arguments being made, but haven’t read into them enough to form a real opinion.
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Fair enough, I'm used to this thought enough to not automatically assume it's a wolf shading everyone else's efforts, ill give u the time u need to get into the game
 
justafluff said:
Sorry to jump in AM, but this again sounds like fishing. Whether you re a wolf or not, naming the factions benefits other factions in some way. And if you claim you have no idea about other factions then your role/ wincon is obv different than several of us, so I don’t know why you keep pushing on getting more info if you re village-aligned.

SAR said Zuri seems the “scummiest” among 3-4 names, which isn’t much of a reason imo.
Veggie… I don’t even remember their reason but it didn’t make sense and it was an one-liner in the spectrum of “Zuri is wolfy”
Mothy literally gave no reason lol.
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I am pretty convinced you’ve figured out you’re in a faction with zuri based on what he’s said about his wincon. My hope is that it’s only exclusive of max one other non-wolf faction and that it’s not mine, so wolfhunting is a much bigger priority for me than you two, but I’ve got my eye on you😛
 
PlumPoppy said:
I think zuri's aggressive interrogating seems to stick out like a sore wolfy thumb. But I wouldn't be shocked by past game bias. Which also makes it really hard to tell the difference between village!zuri and wolf!zuri. I've never seen how zuri plays village, but considering he seemed to really fool fluff our last game, I'm assuming it's very similar. For now I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm scared to be wrong again.
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Obvi not the most objective source on my own playstyle but here's my assessment of how I played in each game so far
  1. started with bowwling, was village, immediately felt out of my depths, got into fights with veterans over semantic stuff about the validity of the case I was making about Vis (that I think was ultimately right), didn't like pressuring tactics, ragequit/was modkilled.
  2. played the okami game, was village, started disengaged, was suspected by more experienced players, developed theories of potential wolfpacks and started advocating for those in a way that the more experienced players ultimately found villagey.
  3. played noob game, was wolf, tried to play with the same mindset and attitude as my later okami game, was very vocal early and throughout, though avoided saying anything controversial for the early game, by the end was spinning some aggressive tinfoil to justify some of the more longshot misyeets we were going for at that point. Didn't do anything that drew much attention for wolfiness until like d6?
I feel like if I was a wolf in this game I would likely be similarly loud, but I can't imagine putting up a full theory that includes a gamesolve and vague descriptions of my role pm or having the gumption to spar with the veterans on here. Like I would be actively trying to get in the good graces of any veterans who I knew to be villagers because they all kind of terrify me just generally. I also can't imagine starting with Animal Midwife as my first misyeet attempt, because I'm aware of her enough to know that she's nothing if not relentless and trusted by the veterans to catch wolves.

So yeah while I think my voice and general attitude has been pretty consistent across my wolf game and village games, I just don't think I'd have the confidence to start off with this strategy as a wolf.
 
I think I have 4 posts left so here goes one of them...


I just wanted to reiterate that we do not know whether wolves are an entirely separate faction, or a secret grouping of players who are also part of the other factions, or at least have been given enough information to pretend to be part of the other factions. That changes the way we can clear people here unfortunately, but we won't know until we get a wolf flip (and will we even know then? Hmmm).

So far I'm tracking with most of what Vissy has been saying so I feel pretty good about her unless this is one of those times where I'm in a wolfy brain state :laugh: I will say that I think the main crux of zuri's argument against AM seemed to be that he was concerned with her not knowing that other factions exist at all, which would be silly for an experienced player in a game that was stated from the outset to be factional. That is part of why his argument never made any sense to me to begin with. What she actually said was that she doesn't know what other factions exist or what their wincons are- therefore not concerned about them yet. I too would have to reread to see whether this was intentional misrepresentation on zuri's part or just him refusing to believe he was wrong about how all the factions work and let go of his assumptions.

Regardless I am going to have a tingle in the back of my head, until one of them or someone else from their faction flips, that his and fluff's approach is actually coming from the mindset of concern with getting rid of their opposing faction, rather than wolves.

Edit: also genny is still being wolfy
 
Viscernable said:
Since you played with wolf zuri last game, what was your impression of his gameplay then?
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I feel like it's similar, but I was also killed off on night 3 and didn't have time to fully track the game after I was killed off.

It's only my 4th day, so I still feel super new to everything and am still learning people.
 
Animal Midwife said:
We don't even know what the other factions are. The only thing we know is that wolves exist so we should hunt them until the other factions prove to be a greater threat.
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I'll really try to stop with this theory thing and consider other arguments that people are making, but since I've seen it discussed more today, I do want to clarify that after discussing with wildzoo santygrass and a few others I agree that the biggest common priority amongst all nonwolf factions should be hunting wolves and that it's not wolfy to say that we should focus on wolfhunting. But even given that, this post from animal midwife still appears to be a perspective slip, because I still believe that the nonwolf factions have role PMs that describe other factions and the wolves do not have that nuance, so Animal Midwife saying "we don't even know what the other factions are" indicates that at the very least, her role pm looks very different from mine, which I inferred meant likely a wolf.

That + her response to this allegation to refuse to engage with it, to repeatedly invalidate it by calling it tinfoil, and to pressure me to share more about my role + her claim that I'm making things up and lying about things she said when I've tagged this post multiple times.
 
zuriburi said:
I'll really try to stop with this theory thing and consider other arguments that people are making, but since I've seen it discussed more today, I do want to clarify that after discussing with wildzoo santygrass and a few others I agree that the biggest common priority amongst all nonwolf factions should be hunting wolves and that it's not wolfy to say that we should focus on wolfhunting. But even given that, this post from animal midwife still appears to be a perspective slip, because I still believe that the nonwolf factions have role PMs that describe other factions and the wolves do not have that nuance, so Animal Midwife saying "we don't even know what the other factions are" indicates that at the very least, her role pm looks very different from mine, which I inferred meant likely a wolf.

That + her response to this allegation to refuse to engage with it, to repeatedly invalidate it by calling it tinfoil, and to pressure me to share more about my role + her claim that I'm making things up and lying about things she said when I've tagged this post multiple times.
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Where are your reads you promised almost 12 hours ago?
 
Animal Midwife said:
Where are your reads you promised almost 12 hours ago?
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i just woke up and finished greek class. also just because my primary read is that you're still a wolf despite your protestations doesn't mean that's not a valid read. like outside of our own debate the main thing that annoys me about your playstyle is your tendency to invalidate everyone else's playstyle and dictate the terms of discussion. I understand that this is how you play whether or not you're a wolf, but it's super annoying all the same.
 
zuriburi said:
i just woke up and finished greek class. also just because my primary read is that you're still a wolf despite your protestations doesn't mean that's not a valid read. like outside of our own debate the main thing that annoys me about your playstyle is your tendency to invalidate everyone else's playstyle and dictate the terms of discussion. I understand that this is how you play whether or not you're a wolf, but it's super annoying all the same.
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You sound salty about something. Did I RWWR? I better see a pack list by 8pm.
 
Animal Midwife said:
You sound salty about something. Did I RWWR? I better see a pack list by 8pm.
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Also this is the kind of constant invalidating/positioning your approach as the only good way of playing this game that I’m talking about. Like speaking for probably more than just my own noobiness it’s super offputting and isn’t necessary for refuting arguments or making your own case and it’s the kind of thing that makes me hesitant to play these games most of the time.
 
Aprilthearab said:
After multiple people started talking on thread about having factions mentioned in their role PMs
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Which may or may not be continuous with my own posts about it because I was reading posts very out of order like I am now
 
WildZoo said:
@Zenge142 1000 words is a lot for you, can we get a tl;dr?
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1000 words may have been an inflated figure....

I was responding to this answer from Fluff
justafluff said:
I guess the part referring to me. She calls me wolfy but backtracks saying she thought I was wolfy throughout the noob game, which is irrelevant to this game.
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Basically I was saying I thought Alley's thought process seemed genuine? Like she found Fluff wolfy. but she also recognized that she read her as wolfy in the noob game and was wrong there...

Which sent me down this rabbit hole of "was she wrong there????" Because Fluff was scum siding as a 3p, so reading her as wolfy is totally valid in the noob game.

But then why be hesitant here? Alley read her as wolfy, she was wolf siding, so essentially she was right.

But then if Alley was right, why would there be any hesitation here? Like is Fluff right, and she's being hedgy?

But then if Alley was right there on her Fluff read, maybe she's right here and doubting herself?

It was a lot of ping ponging on that. And then the forum ate it and I got grumpy and went to bed.
 
Viscernable said:
I am pretty convinced you’ve figured out you’re in a faction with zuri based on what he’s said about his wincon. My hope is that it’s only exclusive of max one other non-wolf faction and that it’s not mine, so wolfhunting is a much bigger priority for me than you two, but I’ve got my eye on you😛
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I’m actually not allied with Zuri. I just got frustrated from the back and forth and I’ve been in the firing range of AM several times as village.
I might be defending a wolf, or who knows what but YOLO (@GeckoKD6 this is for you)
 
And with what I think is my last post until 8pm EST:

ZURI AND AM
PUT YOUR EGOS AWAY AND FOCUS ELSEWHERE

THIS IS NOT PRODUCTIVE. WE KNOW YOU FIND EACH OTHER WOLFY. THERE IS ENOUGH HERE FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO EVALUATE YOUR POSITIONS. THERE IS MORE THAN ONE WOLF IN THE GAME.

UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING NEW TO SAY ABOUT IT

LET
IT
GO


I can sense that this argument is starting to drift into attacks on the way that people play, and that's not okay. So just drop it. For the thread health. Or I'm going to bonk both of you.


And with that, toodles!
 
zuriburi said:
because I still believe that the nonwolf factions have role PMs that describe other factions and the wolves do not have that nuance, so Animal Midwife saying "we don't even know what the other factions are" indicates that at the very least, her role pm looks very different from mine, which I inferred meant likely a wolf.
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I'm only jumping in here to say that I'd be cautious with this type of assumption. It's getting shades of village coding which is usually planned against in game setups here so it cannot be used. And using it is generally frowned upon anyway.

I think, at most, the assumption you could plausibly make would be that AM is a different faction than yourself. I don't think you can jump to wolfy using this specific argument.
 
Wiisp said:
Bonk me too, please and thanks
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Joe Biden GIF by Election 2020
 
SARdoghandler said:
After a probably not overly thorough catch up, my eye was caught most by Zuri, then (reluctantly) April and somewhat Dubz who I've been vacillating on.

Interesting to me since all 3 have interacted a lot and I don't really see as being scummy with each other so not loving that as an initial flip group.

Yeet Zuri

Since it's my strongest scum read so far. Defenses and arguments feel more from a wolfy lean than village and some of the tone is coming off as potentially tmi from a scum perspective and not enough information from a village perspective
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@kaydubs
 
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