Fire Emblem: Three HoWWses Game Thread

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Lawpy said:
Santy, do you think SOV vs AM is V/W?
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I dont think its something guaranteed.

If there is one, I think its AM since I see SOV as Villa almost always, while AM is closer to the PoE
 
I know we probably can’t read much into the votes on/off Miranda, but I’m going to roll with it anyway.

Yeet Clem @kaydubs
 
Santygrass said:
I dont think its something guaranteed.

If there is one, I think its AM since I see SOV as Villa almost always, while AM is closer to the PoE
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What I’m struggling here is AM’s insistent tone in her posts is giving off village vibes, that looks even more so when she’s butting heads with people. I thought SOV’s push on poppy was good but because he’s known to bus hard and strongly before (and not like just voting for partners but the rationale given too), i just can’t use that to village read him.

I guess the only thing going for him is the faction leader stuff. And i’m feeling a bit torn. I think there have been too many vouches in this game, some of which are clashing with non-mechanical thoughts that i can’t help but think if something is amiss here.
 
Viscernable said:
Tbf that would be a very expected bus
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Yeah that's why I was hmmmming, couldn't make up my mind on it. He was just one of the first to describe that role as undoubtedly wolf. Of course if he's in the pack he would have seen the mechanical out coming and could have made it a point to bus hard when it came up on thread. But the way he handled it felt villagey so I'm leaving him alone for now
 
Wiisp said:
I'm fine with ginny sus, since they just kinda evaporated in nothing after being yeeted the first time

@Aprilthearab
I'm not likely to vote anyone in your bottom cept maybe Vis and that's only vecause I feel like they had a shift and tone after being revived, I want to double check tho. I really doubt fluffs revive is somehow negative utility for town unless they are bad which I don't believe even tho Nate is claiming to not be part of the church anymore, nothing has changed with how they originally played and how they've been playing since they've been revived
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Toneshift yes, I went from playing on the long weekend to playing in school 🥲
 
Aprilthearab said:
Yeah that's why I was hmmmming, couldn't make up my mind on it. He was just one of the first to describe that role as undoubtedly wolf. Of course if he's in the pack he would have seen the mechanical out coming and could have made it a point to bus hard when it came up on thread. But the way he handled it felt villagey so I'm leaving him alone for now
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I don’t have any reason to think he’s a wolf (would I if he were? Probably not, I’m thick), but he gets no village read for that from me
 
Viscernable said:
I don’t have any reason to think he’s a wolf (would I if he were? Probably not, I’m thick), but he gets no village read for that from me
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It's definitely not my only village point for him right now. He's been sounding village and I really liked his reads list earlier today
 
Unyeet Mayo

Mothy is vouching for them + want to fact check the shooting situation that looks somewhat clearing at surface level. Item stuff still feel dubious but cant express it as I would like to.

If Nate doesnt explain that SOV vote I'd probably yeet him fwiw.

And cant properly reply to Lawpy rn, but I disagree with the part of 'he bussed before so it doesnt apply here' . Him being capable of it doesnt mean it is not village indicative. I've been vibing with their reads the whole game. Being a factional leader I think its prob the greater vouch in the hieratchy of vouches just because of the factional nature of the game.

Even if you want to tinfoil SOV, unless you have a very good reason to sus them, they are not even near the PoE as of rn.
And all the sus I've seen of sov has been AM either using NAI stuff to say he could've done, or other things that most people did but from SOV makes her skeptical (see the convertion definition thingy) .

Like, I feel like AMM is either tunneling and everything is going to be an argument on why sov could be a wolf, or AM is a wolf who is trying to throw whatever to push them. Either way not a push/arguments that convince me wowee.


'Cant properly resply' my butt
 
What confuses me about the rez thing is that AM is so doubtful about everything in the game, like the wolves being their own faction and stuff, but on this matter… she just trusts that we can give the clear to vis and Nate that they re not converted. I know that’s because she’s played sporty games before, but she claimed that sporty would never give wolves the separate faction TWSiTD and here we have 2 flipped wolves in that faction. So I can’t trust what sporty would and wouldn’t put in her game.
If the rezzes have any value, it should at least be that a wolf resurrector adds to their faction. So I think I’m gonna go with vis, and if she flips village, I’m gonna trust AM better.

yeet Vis @kaydubs
 
Also @Santygrass because you asked, I asked the mods if Nate will still be in my faction post-rez and they replied unclear, and as far as I know he’s just another player; don’t know faction or affiliation.
 
Santygrass said:
Unyeet Mayo

Mothy is vouching for them + want to fact check the shooting situation that looks somewhat clearing at surface level. Item stuff still feel dubious but cant express it as I would like to.

If Nate doesnt explain that SOV vote I'd probably yeet him fwiw.

And cant properly reply to Lawpy rn, but I disagree with the part of 'he bussed before so it doesnt apply here' . Him being capable of it doesnt mean it is not village indicative. I've been vibing with their reads the whole game. Being a factional leader I think its prob the greater vouch in the hieratchy of vouches just because of the factional nature of the game.

Even if you want to tinfoil SOV, unless you have a very good reason to sus them, they are not even near the PoE as of rn.
And all the sus I've seen of sov has been AM either using NAI stuff to say he could've done, or other things that most people did but from SOV makes her skeptical (see the convertion definition thingy) .

Like, I feel like AMM is either tunneling and everything is going to be an argument on why sov could be a wolf, or AM is a wolf who is trying to throw whatever to push them. Either way not a push/arguments that convince me wowee.


'Cant properly resply' my butt
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What are you gonna do when I tell you I'm in a faction and thus "vouched for"?
 
justafluff said:
What confuses me about the rez thing is that AM is so doubtful about everything in the game, like the wolves being their own faction and stuff, but on this matter… she just trusts that we can give the clear to vis and Nate that they re not converted. I know that’s because she’s played sporty games before, but she claimed that sporty would never give wolves the separate faction TWSiTD and here we have 2 flipped wolves in that faction. So I can’t trust what sporty would and wouldn’t put in her game.
If the rezzes have any value, it should at least be that a wolf resurrector adds to their faction. So I think I’m gonna go with vis, and if she flips village, I’m gonna trust AM better.

yeet Vis @kaydubs
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Yeah I noticed that too about AM being doubtful until this one particular thing. Trying to figure out if I feel like AM is being protective of Vis
 
justafluff said:
What confuses me about the rez thing is that AM is so doubtful about everything in the game, like the wolves being their own faction and stuff, but on this matter… she just trusts that we can give the clear to vis and Nate that they re not converted. I know that’s because she’s played sporty games before, but she claimed that sporty would never give wolves the separate faction TWSiTD and here we have 2 flipped wolves in that faction. So I can’t trust what sporty would and wouldn’t put in her game.
If the rezzes have any value, it should at least be that a wolf resurrector adds to their faction. So I think I’m gonna go with vis, and if she flips village, I’m gonna trust AM better.

yeet Vis @kaydubs
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Trusting me isn't enough. You need to promise to drag SOV into the POE where he belongs.
 
justafluff said:
What confuses me about the rez thing is that AM is so doubtful about everything in the game, like the wolves being their own faction and stuff, but on this matter… she just trusts that we can give the clear to vis and Nate that they re not converted. I know that’s because she’s played sporty games before, but she claimed that sporty would never give wolves the separate faction TWSiTD and here we have 2 flipped wolves in that faction. So I can’t trust what sporty would and wouldn’t put in her game.
If the rezzes have any value, it should at least be that a wolf resurrector adds to their faction. So I think I’m gonna go with vis, and if she flips village, I’m gonna trust AM better.

yeet Vis @kaydubs
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I’m ok with this. The tone shift is too much for me to overlook

Unyeet mothy
Yeet vissy
 
motheatenlysis said:
I think the difference here is that Mayo and I have been vouching for one another since early on when Mayo took over for HW.
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He's village reading you like I'm village reading him. He has to use the word vouch for you because people watered the word down to nothing.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Trusting me isn't enough. You need to promise to drag SOV into the POE where he belongs.
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I can’t do that. If SOV and Wiisp were wolves they’d have attacked my claim and joined Zenge into yeeting either SAR or me. And killing the other. As long as they re defending the church I’m village reading both of them.
 
justafluff said:
I can’t do that. If SOV and Wiisp were wolves they’d have attacked my claim and joined Zenge into yeeting either SAR or me. And killing the other. As long as they re defending the church I’m village reading both of them.
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You literally said Zenge defended you as a wolf before. That means nothing.
 
Animal Midwife said:
You literally said Zenge defended you as a wolf before. That means nothing.
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No he didn’t. He engaged in civil conversation with me and acted like he believed my claim before yeeting me by EOD.
Edit: or do you mean wolf!Zenge defended me?
 
Animal Midwife said:
Again, y'all destroyed the word. He's village reading moth but you can't hear that over vouch.
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He is not village reading me. He knows I am village, and I know he is village. I will not say how because then we just become an even bigger target.
 
justafluff said:
No he didn’t. He engaged in civil conversation with me and acted like he believed my claim before yeeting me by EOD.
Edit: or do you mean wolf!Zenge defended me?
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I mean wolf!Zenge. It's called whiteknighting.
 
motheatenlysis said:
He is not village reading me. He knows I am village, and I know he is village. I will not say how because then we just become an even bigger target.
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He doesn't. He knows your village like I know he's village. It's nothing more than that. That's what vouch means now.
 
Santygrass said:
I cant post properly rn, but explain why softly pls
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(I haven't had time to read today yet, but last night when I left thread I was struggling to come up with a POE that I felt good about, because if I set aside the people in factions [fluff, SAR, Wisp, SOV, Clem, Zenge, probably more], and Vis [though I'm not sure I agree that her rezzing as a wolf would count as a "conversion" for mayo's thing], and the people I feel generally at least okay about [chic, you, mothy, April recently, Lawpy mostly because of zuri].... that doesn't leave me with a POE I feel that confident in. Which makes me think I'm wrong somewhere.

So I started poking at the factional aspect, and there are things that don't add up for me from SOV on day 1. For one thing, Wisp was a wagon for a good portion of the day; SOV knew that Wisp was in his faction. Was there any defense of Wisp from SOV, or indication that we should maybe look elsewhere to start with? If there was I haven't been able to find it. Compare that to fluff's use of the information she started with.
And that's the other thing, fluff herself was a wagon late in the day and in very real danger, partly because people were sus of her having more information about who she was allied with than other people seemed to have. No defense from SOV there either, as far as I can find. The town mindset I would expect there would be for him to recognize that fluff is a faction leader because of what she's been saying and at least for d1 decide "i'm town > i'm a faction leader > fluff is a faction leader > fluff is probably town". Idk maybe that's not totally cut and dried because maybe he was fine with the leader of another faction going over, but I still don't really like it)
 
Animal Midwife said:
I mean wolf!Zenge. It's called whiteknighting.
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I’ve only played with wolf!Zenge in BoWWling and he pushed for my misyeet by D2. So, the data I have here is that Wiisp initially said he’s not yeeting me due to his factional wincon (nothing to do with SOV). Then he said he’d protect SOV. So it’s not like SOV white knighted me or anything, it’s my preference that if I have any info about any other player I’d rather yeet the unknowns before I yeet the ones I know something about.
 
NateTheLesser said:
(I haven't had time to read today yet, but last night when I left thread I was struggling to come up with a POE that I felt good about, because if I set aside the people in factions [fluff, SAR, Wisp, SOV, Clem, Zenge, probably more], and Vis [though I'm not sure I agree that her rezzing as a wolf would count as a "conversion" for mayo's thing], and the people I feel generally at least okay about [chic, you, mothy, April recently, Lawpy mostly because of zuri].... that doesn't leave me with a POE I feel that confident in. Which makes me think I'm wrong somewhere.

So I started poking at the factional aspect, and there are things that don't add up for me from SOV on day 1. For one thing, Wisp was a wagon for a good portion of the day; SOV knew that Wisp was in his faction. Was there any defense of Wisp from SOV, or indication that we should maybe look elsewhere to start with? If there was I haven't been able to find it. Compare that to fluff's use of the information she started with.
And that's the other thing, fluff herself was a wagon late in the day and in very real danger, partly because people were sus of her having more information about who she was allied with than other people seemed to have. No defense from SOV there either, as far as I can find. The town mindset I would expect there would be for him to recognize that fluff is a faction leader because of what she's been saying and at least for d1 decide "i'm town > i'm a faction leader > fluff is a faction leader > fluff is probably town". Idk maybe that's not totally cut and dried because maybe he was fine with the leader of another faction going over, but I still don't really like it)
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I honestly hated the fact that I blurted out that I know my allies and I have a factional wincon. The thread reaction was not positive and everyone started wolf reading me. I understand why SOV wanted to keep silent throughout all that.
 
justafluff said:
I’ve only played with wolf!Zenge in BoWWling and he pushed for my misyeet by D2. So, the data I have here is that Wiisp initially said he’s not yeeting me due to his factional wincon (nothing to do with SOV). Then he said he’d protect SOV. So it’s not like SOV white knighted me or anything, it’s my preference that if I have any info about any other player I’d rather yeet the unknowns before I yeet the ones I know something about.
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Vis isn't an unknown unless the exact loophole SAR posed is true.
 
justafluff said:
Unless someone comes through and says to not yeet her for factional reasons and I’m village reading that person, she’s an unknown
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Vis literally said she wasn't part of a faction. That's never happening.
 
to clarify its not really "my wincon" I was told what the leader of "my faction" had to attempt to do, so, I would all leaders probably have that same thing, which makes me doubt that again if there is a wolf hiding in the houses, church, or ashen wolves, then it's not one of the leaders
 
justafluff said:
I honestly hated the fact that I blurted out that I know my allies and I have a factional wincon. The thread reaction was not positive and everyone started wolf reading me. I understand why SOV wanted to keep silent throughout all that.
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(Yeah but if he's town he's one of very few people who knew at the time that it wasn't necessarily wolfy for you to have that information, because he had the same sort of information. Letting the thread run with assumptions that he knows are wrong is anti-town at best)
 
NateTheLesser said:
(I haven't had time to read today yet, but last night when I left thread I was struggling to come up with a POE that I felt good about, because if I set aside the people in factions [fluff, SAR, Wisp, SOV, Clem, Zenge, probably more], and Vis [though I'm not sure I agree that her rezzing as a wolf would count as a "conversion" for mayo's thing], and the people I feel generally at least okay about [chic, you, mothy, April recently, Lawpy mostly because of zuri].... that doesn't leave me with a POE I feel that confident in. Which makes me think I'm wrong somewhere.

So I started poking at the factional aspect, and there are things that don't add up for me from SOV on day 1. For one thing, Wisp was a wagon for a good portion of the day; SOV knew that Wisp was in his faction. Was there any defense of Wisp from SOV, or indication that we should maybe look elsewhere to start with? If there was I haven't been able to find it. Compare that to fluff's use of the information she started with.
And that's the other thing, fluff herself was a wagon late in the day and in very real danger, partly because people were sus of her having more information about who she was allied with than other people seemed to have. No defense from SOV there either, as far as I can find. The town mindset I would expect there would be for him to recognize that fluff is a faction leader because of what she's been saying and at least for d1 decide "i'm town > i'm a faction leader > fluff is a faction leader > fluff is probably town". Idk maybe that's not totally cut and dried because maybe he was fine with the leader of another faction going over, but I still don't really like it)
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I can really respect this analysis.

Only flaw is I wasn’t on the thread that night Iirc. I remember waking up next day finding Genny lynched and still alive. I cant make every lynch close because sadly i am a lot younger than y’all and I get up at 5am to work (and when I say a lot younger, we are talking more than double the age of most players probably) . It is a really quotidian explanation; take it for its worth. I have made the last 2 lynches because I was home sick. staying up to 10pm, waiting for results, and then not sleeping thinking about the next WW day is super fun, but not good for my health.

just fwiw. Believe it or not. But I am a villager, and a really bad yeet
 
I'd like to also state I don't trust Santy for the record. I had him village initially for pushing genny and PSV but with the former bring an alpha and latter flipping village, my read has gone stale and I haven't really been impressed by anything else.
 
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