GGoats ThWWee: Here It GGoats Again - GAME THREAD

[WildZoo]

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if that’s the case then you are not excluded as being the last possible wolf though? me saying “im not wolf” and you saying “im not wolf” means nothing at this point. misyeeting me also does nothing besides lose the game. how does the rest of the group know that our interactions truly are pure? or that we didnt make the BOGO up to keep me or you safe until the very end? how do they know if this isnt a distancing tactic to get YOU to endgame and win and me yeeted?

not a smart move voting me out here especially since dubz has been open about pairing us. if you’re truly town with me, you wont vote me because that only misyeets me and puts you in the hot seat for the next day (if there’s a next day? i’m little confused on mylo)

If we misyeet, there is no next day, it's game over.

Also this post just gives me the heebie jeebies.

 

[WildZoo]

Can't analyze interactions in MyLo, it's all smoke and mirrors, back to the task at hand

 

[WildZoo]

At least beans only has 4 pages of posts and not OVER THIRTEEN like Zenge does

 

[WildZoo]

On the plus side, I'm either right or I have SECURED the choke awward for this year and it can come back home where it belongs

 

[WildZoo]

Marking this for later because I need to expand my vampy analysis but there's a good bit of it here from D1 and D2

Backing up a bit, vampy came in within two minutes of Greedy's vote on PSV and posted this:






I *think* the above was more likely directed at PSV because of the last line but it came right after vampy's post so unsure. In any case, vampy said no thanks and went back to clem.



A bit later...







I just find that...interesting

vampy was henceforth focused on clem and how hard he is to read, until fruit made this post




She then did indeed vote for me after the chatter increased around my name, and fruit/greedy/kay followed soon after.


Tbh I think this with the backseat defenses of PSV on d2 and holding her vote but not showing much work in evaluating where she was leaning towards putting it is a real reason to be scumreading vampy.

 

[Animal Midwife]

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Day 5 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - Lissa
vamp (1) - beans
Lissa (1) - Zenge

3/6
yeet close in ~5 hours
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[vampyrica]

literally anything i say at this point will give you the heebie jeebies.

 

[vampyrica]

This doesn't mean anything vampy. It didn't give affiliation.


revives the thought of no wolves D0

it does because i’m telling you i’m vanilla town, and nothing updated once i became mayor.

*doesnt mean anything because i would not be a good wolf in this situation as i said i wouldnt be*

 

[WildZoo]

For the record, I am going to let the PSV/Lissa difference check stand, and also let go of the mkg paranoia for today, because I just can't even tbh

 

[vampyrica]

For the record, I am going to let the PSV/Lissa difference check stand, and also let go of the mkg paranoia for today, because I just can't even tbh

why? if we’re trying to get a wolf out, and you’re excluding mkg from being looked into, how is that effective if she turns out to be wolf?

 

[vampyrica]

I'm starting to become concerned about a vampy/mkg wolf pairing. I don't disagree that the zenge/vampy and zenge/dubz pairings seem unlikely (possible but unlikely), but that leaves us with very limited options. Unless dubz/mkg is a thing.

For completeness sake, some reasons that I am not a wolf:
1. why would I be asking all of my random questions in the full thread? Why wouldn't I be asking them in the wolf chat? My main example of such being:


2. When I gave vampy the bogo and learned that she is vanilla and genny asked about her being vanilla or vanilla villager - I immediately admitted that she was just vanilla. If I was a wolf and partnered with vampy, I would have held firm on her being declared a villager.


3. I want to point everyone's attention back to zenge's point when I mentioned being surprised I was still alive. Keeping nooblets around to convince players to misyeet them sounds like it is a normal strategy. I'm probably still here because the wolves knew we'd be having this exact conversation.

I can provide more upon request - I just have to go run some errands so will pop back on when I'm done.

(also it took me so long to figure out how to insert quotes ahhhhh)

1. that doesn’t mean anything. that paints the “lost and needs help” towny look that a newbie wolf could easily use.
2. to make you seem towny. since i am not wolf, there would be no reason for you to hard clear me with a “vanilla villager” read when genny asked you that question. in fact, that actually made things worse rather than help me because i’ve been under suspicion every day since. which would then help YOU the wolf by remaining under the radar…wow that actually put alot of things into perspective right now.
3. nobody considered yeeting you until today, and thats me, because the quotes you provided has actually painted you in a totally different light for me.

 

[vampyrica]

and with that.

yeet beans

 

[Zenge142]

Beans and Vampy Crossvoting isn't good for the math.

Zenge (2) Lissa, MKG
Beans (1) Vamparino
Vampy (1) Beans

Even if Dubz and I voted Beans or Vampy, then that person would have to self prez onto me - making a tie. Village loses.

Unless Lissa or MKG could be persuaded to not vote for me then this is a losing gamestate for village

 

[vampyrica]

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Day 5 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - Lissa
vamp (1) - beans
Lissa (1) - Zenge

@Zenge142 mkg and dubz have not voted yet.

the current tally is
zenge(1) - lissa
vampy (1) - beans
lissa (1) - zenge
beans (1) - vampy

they could choose any of these options or make a new one and try to get people to switch.

 

[Zenge142]

@Zenge142 mkg and dubz have not voted yet.

the current tally is
zenge(1) - lissa
vampy (1) - beans
lissa (1) - zenge
beans (1) - vampy

they could choose any of these options or make a new one and try to get people to switch.

I wasn't making a current tally, I was doing the math of the situation.

 

[Zenge142]

The math as it stands requires MKG or Lissa to not vote for me or it's a guaranteed village loss.

 

[WildZoo]

@Zenge142 GTH, without thinking about the specific mechanics of MyLo, who is the wolfiest person in the game?

 

[Zenge142]

@Zenge142 GTH, without thinking about the specific mechanics of MyLo, who is the wolfiest person in the game?

I'd probably vote Vampy but I can't vote Vampy with Lissa and MKG voting me, the math doesn't work.

 

[Zenge142]

@Zenge142 GTH, without thinking about the specific mechanics of MyLo, who is the wolfiest person in the game?

What's you GTH?!

 

[WildZoo]

Deconstructed Beans

D1: Kinda null? Did some normal nooby stuff, had a normal hedgey reads list, there is nothing to unpair her with PSV or vampy.

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Question real fast, so if no one dies during the night do we still vote someone out during the next day?
Also...very noob moment but reading through the thread I'm not sure what all of the slang means 😂 are wolf and scum the same thing? What is limmed? What is 3p? And what does it mean when you say wolf! with someone's user name behind it?

So sorry for the interruption, you may continue your regularly scheduled broadcast

Since this came up, I no longer give noobs points for asking these questions in thread, because I've been fooled by it more than once. In fact, if I'm wolfing with a noob, I tell them to ask these questions in thread instead of wolfchat because people will subconsciously (or consciously) associate it with noob purity, and will associate a noob that knows too much with wolfiness.

This isn't a wolf point, it's just null.

Zenge- seems ok? Could go either way here
genny - same as zenge
mkg - very village
Clem - I could go either way here too
psv - seems village but I could see actually being wolf
vampy - very village, no wolf vibes
dubz - very much want to believe she is village but I could also see her leading us on as a wolf
mad - unsure
fruit - could be 3p? IDK how chaotic fruit normally plays but it seems odd that they would want so much attention as a wolf...I could very much see 3p for them
KJQ - gives wolfy vibes to me mostly bc they seem to be on the same page as Greedy with a lot of things and Greedy is wolfy
Greedy - wolfy mostly because of the mayor vote thing with Lissa - something about that whole situation feels off
samac (mom!) - same as dubz
beans - village ofc
Sakuraaa - giving wolfy vibes since they're so quiet/not giving many thoughts/maybe flying under the radar but that might just be because they're new
Lissa - wolfy bc of the thing with Greedy

Not much I can do with this initial reads list. I did chuckle again at the classic early dubz read.

mkg was super excited to run for mayor which doesn't strike me as something a wolf would do.
Honestly psv is just vibes...I don't really have enough from her to say for sure.
vampy is pretty much in the same boat as mkg - when she was nominated for mayor she RAN with it and I don't think she would have been as exuberant with her campaigning if she was really a wolf. Plus she has a cowbell and obviously you can't be scum if you have a cowbell 😂

KJQ, was there a reason that you didn't want to be elected mayor back at the beginning of the game? I honestly can't remember if you said anything about it 🤔

This had actually been asked and answered more than once, but it does make sense to ask in conjunction with her reads

A lot of the people I'm not sure about I feel like I just haven't seen much of, so it's hard to try and pin them down. The ones that come to mind are madrigal, sakura, psv, and clem. I just haven't seen them interacting much (or know much about their play style).

Big hedge on PSV, big support on vampy

I'm jumping on the train...at least for now
yeet madrigal

This was the third vote on mads and the rest of everything was still pretty spread out

N1: This is where I start to note this interesting pattern of beans just...continually reversing her reads. She goes from wanting to follow the evidence pointing to me/mads as a pack, to being suspicious of KJQ and Greedy for bringing those thoughts up in the first place, to saying jk they're probably town but WHAT IF. It's very interesting and continues to be kind of a thing throughout the game? I don't know what to make of it.

Spoiler

if I'm following correctly, we're thinking mads and potentially dubz are wolves, right? Do we think there's a third wolf out there somewhere too?

I mean I think there's some evidence pointing to mads and dubz. I don't know if it's enough to fully declare both of them wolves but I certainly want to follow this and see where it goes.
I still think there's something wolfy about sakura too.

A new day, a new readlist
From most town to least town:
Fruit (RIP)
beans (ofc)
Vampy
Sakura
Mkg
Lissa
Zenge
Greedy
Kjq
Samac
Genny & clem (subject to change...still don't have a great feel for these two)
PSV
Dubz
Mads

Just kinda throwing ideas around now, but is it possible that Greedy or KJQ are wolfy? bc they seem to be the main ones behind the mads/dubz theory - could one of them be trying to shift the heat over to players they know are village? I know I put them in the middle of my latest readlist and I still stand by that for now...but I am also pondering other theories. 🤔
especially since it seems there is a wolf mads/dubz camp and a village mads/dubz camp currently

I don't think both of you are wolves, no. I could see one of you being a wolf and trying to seem towny while shifting heat toward players you know are village.
However it also very well could be that you really are both villagers looking for wolves. I'm still leaning town for both of you rn - I just don't want to shut down any possibilities too early! This seems like a game where literally anything can happen 😂

D2: This is the only point where I could say she did anything that might have been anti-PSV, but it easily could have been distancing, so I don't think I can categorize it as anything but null.

Spoiler

So does anyone know, are both wolves and villagers being offered items?? Is it just villagers?
signed your friendly neighborhood nooblet

Another nooblet/mechanic-y question real fast - obviously there are multiple wolves, so how is it decided who visits? Like tonight genny saw PSV and Lissa, not all 2-3 wolves at once. Is that just something the mods pick?

More nooblet questions, just noting them

has anyone else been offered an achy breaky barn door??

has anyone been offered an airtag??
the achy breaky barn door is seeming more and more suspicious 🤔

Yeah, if no one else was offered the barn door then it doesn't exist and psv made it up.
If someone else was offered the airtag that means it does exist and Lissa's claim is a lot more likely to be true.

(obviously there are fallacies with this...but that was the thought process)

This is good but AM would say I should ignore D2 stuff

Morning thoughts, once again from most town to least town:
Fruit & KJQ (RIP)
Beans
Genny
Vampy
Mkg
Sakuraaa
Samac
Zenge
Dubz
Greedy (taking into account what kjq said before she died, but also realizing that may be irrelevant)
Clem (still don't know what to do with you haha)
Mads
Lissa & PSV (living down here together until we figure out more info)

This is all making me lean heavily wolf!psv and town!Lissa. I feel like Lissa's story is a LOT more believable than PSV's.
yeet psv
(at least for now)

This made the 5th vote on PSV. Not really clearing in any way.

After mkg shot PSV, beans hopped on the mads wagon like everyone else, nothing interesting to see there.

N2: Just establishing where her reads were at post-PSV and mads flip. The POE here is not great (if I'm right about Zenge) but I can't much hold that against people, I've surely missed wolves in a POE of that size.

Spoiler

I think we should take a look at zenge again. They were really pushing for yeeting mads on day 1. If I remember correctly they were one of the most vocal about yeeting her. Doesn't necessarily make them wolfy, but I could see them pushing us to eliminate someone they knew was village.

At this point the only players I feel confident about being town are vampy, mkg, me, Lissa, genny, and samac. So that would leave the wolves being among Greedy, zenge, dubz, sakuraaa, and clem.

From most town to least town:
beans
Genny
Lissa
samac
vampy
mkg
zenge
dubz
sakuraaa
clem
greedy

If I am still alive after tonight then I will update this with more brain cells...wanted to get a rough read out there just in case I die. And unfortunately the tomorrow morning general pathology exam has used up all of my current brain power

D3: And then we come back to the ice cream use on vampy. Honest misunderstanding or trying to pass off a fake green check on a packmate?
And I am curious why it was used on vampy at all, given how confident beans said she was in the vampy town read? Why not use it within her POE? This is something I'd like answered @beans2020

Spoiler

Vampy is town, no question.
I just got to use the ice cream coupon. You pick another player and then you learn their role. I used it on vampy and was told that she is vanilla villager.

vampy is town. I used the ice cream coupon item which lets you pick a player and you learn their role. I was told that vampy is vanilla villager.

This part is hard for me though, because if it is vampy/beans then I have a hard time figuring out this backtracking, unless she felt she'd been caught out since genny pointed out the item was supposed to give role and not affiliation.

oh - it said vampy is vanilla. I guess it didn't specifically say villager - I just assumed vanilla = villager. Is that incorrect?

However, even after it was pointed out as being incorrect, she and vampy have continued to reference it as a reason to give vampy village points for a while (beans stopped doing this after about a day, but vampy continued to reference it today)

Okay, some morning thoughts. Starting with a list of who I am very confident is town and why (in no particular order):
1. genny - the incident with watching KJQ and seeing PSV/Lissa.
2. mkg - shooting PSV
3. Lissa - I think she was telling the truth about the airtag. That certainly makes more sense then assuming she is somehow also tied up with all the wolfing.
4. vampy - I think she would have been a lot more willing to jump on the mads wagon if she was a wolf. Also, the vanilla thing makes me think she probably is village. (I know it could be referring to her being a vanilla wolf...but is that likely?)
5. me - if anyone has specific questions for me that would help make it clear I'm village, let me know.

People who I think are probably town: zenge, animal midwife, and greedy.

That leaves Dubz and Clem. I don't think I missed anyone but lmk if I did.

1. Greedy's point about PSV not switching her vote to dubz even though it would have made sense for her to do so.
2. when genny first brought up seeing PSV and Lissa visiting KJQ and dubz's initial reaction was to jump on Lissa instead of PSV, even with everyone else questioning PSV
3. a lot of dubz's points in the current discussion with AM (I'll admit I skimmed some of them, so may have missed something) seem to focus on "if I was a wolf, I wouldn't do this". How do we know she wouldn't? It seems entirely possible to me that she could have chosen to kill samac because that would seem out of character for dubz and it might lead us to clear her. Even with the PSV thing too - her argument is that she would have guided PSV better after genny's accusation by telling her to claim sleepwalker. Would she even have had time to tell PSV what to say? Are we sure she wouldn't have let PSV become a sacrificed packmate in an effort to protect the remaining wolves?
4. Pretty much everyone else has done something or said something that makes it clear they're town (ex. genny's n1 claim, mkg shooting PSV, AM and the unconvertable mp3, etc.). I haven't seen that from dubz. Have I seen things potentially suggesting she is town? Yes. Could she be trying to get us to think she's town? Also yes. She's an experienced player. I don't doubt she knows what to say to seem towny even if she isn't.

How'd she know I'm an experienced player, who has she been talking to?!?!?

Kidding. But Zenge pointed out some of the illogical things about this post. I don't overall hate it and can see it coming from a village perspective, but it's a lot of parroting what other people were saying about me already and isn't nearly the "incriminating evidence" she said it was.

Whoa this thread blew up while I was gone 😂
Uh not sure what to add here...thank you zenge for the feedback and thank you AM for the defense!
If this helps clear it up at all, I know that there are still other players who have not been mechanically cleared. My thought process was that anyone who hasn't been cleared should be in the running to be a wolf...which is part of why I thought dubz was a wolf. I just don't think I worded that very well (probably because of exam brain). And yeah, saying "incriminating evidence" may not have been the best way to word what I was going for. Now I know for next time!

I could go for a vote on either dubz or Clem at this point. Potentially zenge? I'm with Greedy that Lissa seems ok. And AM too.

I like this wagon that's forming.

Yeet Dubz

The vote for me was at least consistent with earlier thoughts and the people on me were among her village reads, so fine.

N3: More of the reads flip flopping without much work shown on why. I, again, just...I don't even know.

Spoiler

How do we feel about a wolf!zenge/dubz pairing? Can't remember if we ruled that one out or not

Honestly this is just a wild thought to arrive at after the nonsense Zenge pulled at the end of D3 but

I did some deep dive thread reading this morning, and I'm actually feeling ok about zenge/greedy/dubz for the moment. Nothing they've done up to this point has been blatantly wolfy in my eyes (maybe with the exception of last night's EOD voting). I maintain that AM and Lissa seem good too.
Zenge, I want to hear more about mkg. Now that you have more than 15 minutes haha, why are you reading her as wolf?

I can't decide if it's more or less wild than this reversal??

Alright, POE:
Town/Town leaning: in no particular order
-Lissa (her story about the AirTag made sense and was backed up when dubz and greedy both mentioned being offered an AirTag/the description matching Lissa's claim)
-Sakuraaa/AM (Sakuraaa's early claim of being unconvertable doesn't seem like something a wolf would say. The MP3 claim was backed up by Lissa. I have also been offered an MP3 and can confirm the description matches AM's claim. Wish I had taken it.)
-Zenge (clearly I had my doubts for a while. Upon reading the thread/zenge's posts specifically, nothing jumps out as being suspicious. Really just looks like investigative villager. Still unsure why the mkg accusation dropped in such an odd way though at EOD)
-Greedy (same reasoning as zenge. Has been sharing good information. Still waiting for an answer on the postcard question though)
-dubz (same as greedy and zenge. Giving the drinks tickets to samac and zenge was very towny. I do believe that zenge and dubz are the same alignment as was previously claimed).

POE/Those I am suspicious of/want more information about: in no particular order
-mkg (I searched the thread for her messages and agree with zenge. There is no real meat to her content other than the accusation against fruit. At the time I didn't think anything of that bc I had no idea what was going on...still don't...but looking back yeah that is suspicious. I could see her vig shooting PSV to clear herself).
-vampy (I want to go back through the thread and read vampy's messages again. I don't *think* she's wolf but given that I've been reading everyone else's messages I should look at hers too.)
-genny (I read through genny's messages too and didn't feel as good about them being village. I could see a genny/mkg pairing? Of course that would mean some absolutely wild stuff happened the night genny watched Lissa and PSV, but it seems plausible. This is more of a "hmm it's possible" light suspicion.)

I just don't know what to make of this almost complete flip flop of her reads, particularly on vampy/genny/mkg. It's hard for me to read this as wolfy when it would have been simpler to just continue pushing me and Zenge with AM and Greedy.

Obviously wolves don't always do the easy/simple thing. But just...what's the motive here?

D4: I am just...confused tbh

Spoiler

I'm actually shook - I did not expect AM to die

EXACTLY WHAT A WOLF WOULD SAY (kidding, sort of)

I mean...I've been mildly suspicious of Greedy off and on, especially early in the game. I could see it. It is oddly convenient that the wagons he is pushing at EOD have mostly turned out to be vanilla villagers (with the exception of PSV).

But then like D4 starts and she's flippity floppitying again

Just a theory, is it possible he (greedy) could have been converted and that's why he seemed village at EOD1 but not so much now? I'm starting to wonder if the players becoming wolves through cursed objects idea is legit - might explain why everyone has been reading village for so long.

Multiple conversion theories are wolfy without evidence!!!111!! (no one point out I've said similar things)

yeet zenge

To be honest, I'm torn between zenge and greedy. I think one of them is wolf, I just am not sure which one. I put up a zenge vote to see if I would get any kind of reaction/further information to use, but no dice. I just can't figure out if greedy's most recent actions are village!greedy or wolf!greedy. And I don't fully trust zenge after all the switching back and forth with mkg.

unyeet zenge
Yeet greedy
I think vampy made some good points about her greedy vote. Like I said earlier, I really can't tell if his wanting to leave is just disgruntled villager or if it is wolfy trying to call our bluff (like we won't vote him because he wants us to).
I agree he seemed very village in the beginning which is why I am unsure that he is a wolf. I am open to changing my vote if someone else starts a reasonable wagon.

Greedy, can you explain why you are reading zenge as wolf? I am open to changing my vote back to zenge...just trying to figure out what makes the most sense.

God I don't even know, like why would a wolf being doing this much wavering back and forth on two villagers, make it make sense, like I get it could be performative to look like a confused noob but...well yeah I guess that's it. I give this null points.

N4: I would like to know why beans started turning on vampy? I just don't see the progression on thread. I also don't understand why I keep dropping in and out of her POE.

Spoiler

Not sure if this question will make sense, but is the item actually called a lie detector? Or does it have a fun/flavor name and functions as a lie detector? Like how the opera glasses let you watch a player and the mp3 makes you unconvertable.

A good line of questioning, which again looks good for Zenge/beans unpairing but not sure it means anything for beans's affiliation

I think greedy was onto something before he died. My gut is telling me that the wolves are in zenge, dubz, and maybe vampy. Some of the interactions between zenge and dubz remind me of things I've seen in in person mafia when one wolf is trying to deflect attention off of the other/is trying to seem like an investigative towny.
I feel ok with genny, mkg, and lissa - especially given genny and mkg's village reads of greedy.

flippity floopity floppity
And I actually can't follow at all why she started to turn on vampy, which is interesting, and I could see being some distancing at this stage, but it also could be honest reevaluation. I just need to see the work.

After that it's just stuff today, which I can't bring myself to analyze, there's too much that can be manipulated when you know you only need one more misyeet to win.

CONCLUSION: ???????

This was not nearly as helpful as I was hoping it would be. There isn't anything unpairing her with PSV, and nothing strong unpairing her with vampy, but I just can't get an independent read here at all. GTH: nooblet.


Someone send help.

 

[WildZoo]

why? if we’re trying to get a wolf out, and you’re excluding mkg from being looked into, how is that effective if she turns out to be wolf?

Well I have to eliminate options somehow. Unless the pack is exactly mkg/lissa, which seems unlikley, I can still catch a wolf without spending time tinfoiling about her today. I can only do so many deep dives.

 

[WildZoo]

What's you GTH?!

Probably also vampy but I need to go back to my earlier post on her and expand it plus look at what she's said while I had everyone but beans on ignore.

 

[WildZoo]

Deconstructed Beans

D1: Kinda null? Did some normal nooby stuff, had a normal hedgey reads list, there is nothing to unpair her with PSV or vampy.

Spoiler

Since this came up, I no longer give noobs points for asking these questions in thread, because I've been fooled by it more than once. In fact, if I'm wolfing with a noob, I tell them to ask these questions in thread instead of wolfchat because people will subconsciously (or consciously) associate it with noob purity, and will associate a noob that knows too much with wolfiness.

This isn't a wolf point, it's just null.


Not much I can do with this initial reads list. I did chuckle again at the classic early dubz read.




This had actually been asked and answered more than once, but it does make sense to ask in conjunction with her reads

Big hedge on PSV, big support on vampy


This was the third vote on mads and the rest of everything was still pretty spread out

N1: This is where I start to note this interesting pattern of beans just...continually reversing her reads. She goes from wanting to follow the evidence pointing to me/mads as a pack, to being suspicious of KJQ and Greedy for bringing those thoughts up in the first place, to saying jk they're probably town but WHAT IF. It's very interesting and continues to be kind of a thing throughout the game? I don't know what to make of it.


D2: This is the only point where I could say she did anything that might have been anti-PSV, but it easily could have been distancing, so I don't think I can categorize it as anything but null.

Spoiler

More nooblet questions, just noting them





This is good but AM would say I should ignore D2 stuff



This made the 5th vote on PSV. Not really clearing in any way.

After mkg shot PSV, beans hopped on the mads wagon like everyone else, nothing interesting to see there.

N2: Just establishing where her reads were at post-PSV and mads flip. The POE here is not great (if I'm right about Zenge) but I can't much hold that against people, I've surely missed wolves in a POE of that size.


D3: And then we come back to the ice cream use on vampy. Honest misunderstanding or trying to pass off a fake green check on a packmate?
And I am curious why it was used on vampy at all, given how confident beans said she was in the vampy town read? Why not use it within her POE? This is something I'd like answered @beans2020

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This part is hard for me though, because if it is vampy/beans then I have a hard time figuring out this backtracking, unless she felt she'd been caught out since genny pointed out the item was supposed to give role and not affiliation.


However, even after it was pointed out as being incorrect, she and vampy have continued to reference it as a reason to give vampy village points for a while (beans stopped doing this after about a day, but vampy continued to reference it today)



How'd she know I'm an experienced player, who has she been talking to?!?!?

Kidding. But Zenge pointed out some of the illogical things about this post. I don't overall hate it and can see it coming from a village perspective, but it's a lot of parroting what other people were saying about me already and isn't nearly the "incriminating evidence" she said it was.




The vote for me was at least consistent with earlier thoughts and the people on me were among her village reads, so fine.

N3: More of the reads flip flopping without much work shown on why. I, again, just...I don't even know.

Spoiler

Honestly this is just a wild thought to arrive at after the nonsense Zenge pulled at the end of D3 but


I can't decide if it's more or less wild than this reversal??


I just don't know what to make of this almost complete flip flop of her reads, particularly on vampy/genny/mkg. It's hard for me to read this as wolfy when it would have been simpler to just continue pushing me and Zenge with AM and Greedy.

Obviously wolves don't always do the easy/simple thing. But just...what's the motive here?

D4: I am just...confused tbh

Spoiler

EXACTLY WHAT A WOLF WOULD SAY (kidding, sort of)


But then like D4 starts and she's flippity floppitying again


Multiple conversion theories are wolfy without evidence!!!111!! (no one point out I've said similar things)






God I don't even know, like why would a wolf being doing this much wavering back and forth on two villagers, make it make sense, like I get it could be performative to look like a confused noob but...well yeah I guess that's it. I give this null points.

N4: I would like to know why beans started turning on vampy? I just don't see the progression on thread. I also don't understand why I keep dropping in and out of her POE.

Spoiler

A good line of questioning, which again looks good for Zenge/beans unpairing but not sure it means anything for beans's affiliation


flippity floopity floppity
And I actually can't follow at all why she started to turn on vampy, which is interesting, and I could see being some distancing at this stage, but it also could be honest reevaluation. I just need to see the work.

After that it's just stuff today, which I can't bring myself to analyze, there's too much that can be manipulated when you know you only need one more misyeet to win.

CONCLUSION: ???????

This was not nearly as helpful as I was hoping it would be. There isn't anything unpairing her with PSV, and nothing strong unpairing her with vampy, but I just can't get an independent read here at all. GTH: nooblet.


Someone send help.

@beans2020 I have a couple questions for you here

 

[WildZoo]

Jesus christ that took almost two hours?! **** me.

 

[mkg323]

Hi I’m here catching up as a break from unpacking

 

[WildZoo]

why? if we’re trying to get a wolf out, and you’re excluding mkg from being looked into, how is that effective if she turns out to be wolf?

Also I'm not excluding mkg from being looked at if someone wants to present a compelling case, I'm just saying I will not be casing her today because I don't think it's worth my time at the moment.

 

[WildZoo]

it does because i’m telling you i’m vanilla town, and nothing updated once i became mayor.

But like, the item result just means you have no innate abilities. And given that I suspect wolves are just as vanilla here as villagers are, it literally means nothing.

I'd probably vote Vampy but I can't vote Vampy with Lissa and MKG voting me, the math doesn't work.

Well it doesn't look like anybody is going to be voting lissa with you and it's unlikely anyone will vote for mkg so you should probably just vote vampy.

 

[WildZoo]

Or vote sleep

I am still considering the merits of sleep!

 

[WildZoo]

the current tally is
zenge(1) - lissa
vampy (1) - beans
lissa (1) - zenge
beans (1) - vampy

This vote spread catches a wolf every time

 

[WildZoo]

vote sleep

 

[WildZoo]

Deconstructed Beans

D1: Kinda null? Did some normal nooby stuff, had a normal hedgey reads list, there is nothing to unpair her with PSV or vampy.

Spoiler

Since this came up, I no longer give noobs points for asking these questions in thread, because I've been fooled by it more than once. In fact, if I'm wolfing with a noob, I tell them to ask these questions in thread instead of wolfchat because people will subconsciously (or consciously) associate it with noob purity, and will associate a noob that knows too much with wolfiness.

This isn't a wolf point, it's just null.


Not much I can do with this initial reads list. I did chuckle again at the classic early dubz read.




This had actually been asked and answered more than once, but it does make sense to ask in conjunction with her reads

Big hedge on PSV, big support on vampy


This was the third vote on mads and the rest of everything was still pretty spread out

N1: This is where I start to note this interesting pattern of beans just...continually reversing her reads. She goes from wanting to follow the evidence pointing to me/mads as a pack, to being suspicious of KJQ and Greedy for bringing those thoughts up in the first place, to saying jk they're probably town but WHAT IF. It's very interesting and continues to be kind of a thing throughout the game? I don't know what to make of it.


D2: This is the only point where I could say she did anything that might have been anti-PSV, but it easily could have been distancing, so I don't think I can categorize it as anything but null.

Spoiler

More nooblet questions, just noting them





This is good but AM would say I should ignore D2 stuff



This made the 5th vote on PSV. Not really clearing in any way.

After mkg shot PSV, beans hopped on the mads wagon like everyone else, nothing interesting to see there.

N2: Just establishing where her reads were at post-PSV and mads flip. The POE here is not great (if I'm right about Zenge) but I can't much hold that against people, I've surely missed wolves in a POE of that size.


D3: And then we come back to the ice cream use on vampy. Honest misunderstanding or trying to pass off a fake green check on a packmate?
And I am curious why it was used on vampy at all, given how confident beans said she was in the vampy town read? Why not use it within her POE? This is something I'd like answered @beans2020

Spoiler

This part is hard for me though, because if it is vampy/beans then I have a hard time figuring out this backtracking, unless she felt she'd been caught out since genny pointed out the item was supposed to give role and not affiliation.


However, even after it was pointed out as being incorrect, she and vampy have continued to reference it as a reason to give vampy village points for a while (beans stopped doing this after about a day, but vampy continued to reference it today)



How'd she know I'm an experienced player, who has she been talking to?!?!?

Kidding. But Zenge pointed out some of the illogical things about this post. I don't overall hate it and can see it coming from a village perspective, but it's a lot of parroting what other people were saying about me already and isn't nearly the "incriminating evidence" she said it was.




The vote for me was at least consistent with earlier thoughts and the people on me were among her village reads, so fine.

N3: More of the reads flip flopping without much work shown on why. I, again, just...I don't even know.

Spoiler

Honestly this is just a wild thought to arrive at after the nonsense Zenge pulled at the end of D3 but


I can't decide if it's more or less wild than this reversal??


I just don't know what to make of this almost complete flip flop of her reads, particularly on vampy/genny/mkg. It's hard for me to read this as wolfy when it would have been simpler to just continue pushing me and Zenge with AM and Greedy.

Obviously wolves don't always do the easy/simple thing. But just...what's the motive here?

D4: I am just...confused tbh

Spoiler

EXACTLY WHAT A WOLF WOULD SAY (kidding, sort of)


But then like D4 starts and she's flippity floppitying again


Multiple conversion theories are wolfy without evidence!!!111!! (no one point out I've said similar things)






God I don't even know, like why would a wolf being doing this much wavering back and forth on two villagers, make it make sense, like I get it could be performative to look like a confused noob but...well yeah I guess that's it. I give this null points.

N4: I would like to know why beans started turning on vampy? I just don't see the progression on thread. I also don't understand why I keep dropping in and out of her POE.

Spoiler

A good line of questioning, which again looks good for Zenge/beans unpairing but not sure it means anything for beans's affiliation


flippity floopity floppity
And I actually can't follow at all why she started to turn on vampy, which is interesting, and I could see being some distancing at this stage, but it also could be honest reevaluation. I just need to see the work.

After that it's just stuff today, which I can't bring myself to analyze, there's too much that can be manipulated when you know you only need one more misyeet to win.

CONCLUSION: ???????

This was not nearly as helpful as I was hoping it would be. There isn't anything unpairing her with PSV, and nothing strong unpairing her with vampy, but I just can't get an independent read here at all. GTH: nooblet.


Someone send help.

@Zenge142 thoughts?

 

[Zenge142]

@Zenge142 thoughts?

Not great. Idk. Hard to say really. Noobs do be like that. But also not great tbh

 

[WildZoo]

vote actual sleep irl

 

[WildZoo]

@Zenge142 if you think vampy is the most likely wolf you should be voting there and trying to convince the more likely villagers to not vote for you, not giving wolves another wagon to choose from and giving lissa no option to move to. The immediate thunderdome concept only exists when votes are locked. Sitting on lissa is not helpful.

Or, vote sleep, it's the right thing to do!

 

[WildZoo]

Vampy has 15 pages of posts 😭

 

[WildZoo]

I have TWENTY THREE PAGES OF POSTS

 

[beans2020]

I have a couple questions for you here

I chose to use the ice cream coupon on vampy because I thought it would open a PM like the drinks tickets did for you. At the time she was one of the only players who I trusted and who I felt trusted me enough to talk in a PM channel. Then it turned out that the ice cream coupon just told me she was vanilla.

I started turning on vampy honestly because of poe. We were running out of players fast and I couldn't (still can't lol) get a good read on you and zenge primarily. (That's why I've been flipping back and forth between you two being wolves/village - every time I think i have it figured out someone says something or points out an interaction and I immediately rethink everything. Also doesn't help that you are both experienced players so I keep getting scared that you are really good liars or good at seeming towny). It got to the point where I had to start considering that vampy could be a wolf. Everyone else still in the game seemed village (genny, lissa, and mkg) so I was running out of people who could be wolves.

Was that all of your questions?

 

[WildZoo]

I chose to use the ice cream coupon on vampy because I thought it would open a PM like the drinks tickets did for you. At the time she was one of the only players who I trusted and who I felt trusted me enough to talk in a PM channel. Then it turned out that the ice cream coupon just told me she was vanilla.

I started turning on vampy honestly because of poe. We were running out of players fast and I couldn't (still can't lol) get a good read on you and zenge primarily. (That's why I've been flipping back and forth between you two being wolves/village - every time I think i have it figured out someone says something or points out an interaction and I immediately rethink everything. Also doesn't help that you are both experienced players so I keep getting scared that you are really good liars or good at seeming towny). It got to the point where I had to start considering that vampy could be a wolf. Everyone else still in the game seemed village (genny, lissa, and mkg) so I was running out of people who could be wolves.

Was that all of your questions?

Yes that was all, thank you!

 

[Zenge142]

@Zenge142 if you think vampy is the most likely wolf you should be voting there and trying to convince the more likely villagers to not vote for you, not giving wolves another wagon to choose from and giving lissa no option to move to. The immediate thunderdome concept only exists when votes are locked. Sitting on lissa is not helpful.

Or, vote sleep, it's the right thing to do!

This ends with me voting vamp, & then Lissa MKG, and Vamp voting me and either it's tied and village loses, or Beans votes me to avoid the tie, and village loses.

Either way it's a losing proposition. But sure.

sigh

Unyeet Lissa
Yeet Vamp

 

[WildZoo]

@mkg323 @Lissarae06

If either of you have arguments for why we should not vote vampy I would like to hear them. @vampyrica I am of course still open to hearing your defense too. I will be here for the remainder of the cycle and am dragging my feet a bit because of the post volume but will look through your posts.

If nobody else is interested in voting to sleep then village needs to consolidate to avoid a tie. (We also could consolidate on sleep, for the record)

 

[beans2020]

I would be down to vote for sleep - would we need to be unanimous or just need a majority?

 

[WildZoo]

I would be down to vote for sleep - would we need to be unanimous or just need a majority?

It just needs a majority

 

[WildZoo]

Or rather, plurality, in theory, but in practice it would be best not to risk wolves piling on whatever vote a stray villager is hanging out on at the last second and getting a misyeet. So if there is a desire to vote for sleep, village needs to all agree on it

 

[mkg323]

@mkg323 @Lissarae06

If either of you have arguments for why we should not vote vampy I would like to hear them. @vampyrica I am of course still open to hearing your defense too. I will be here for the remainder of the cycle and am dragging my feet a bit because of the post volume but will look through your posts.

If nobody else is interested in voting to sleep then village needs to consolidate to avoid a tie. (We also could consolidate on sleep, for the record)

My mind is mush and idk if I’ve processed anything but rn I still want to go Zenge >>> beans/vampy>>>lissa
The whole woah is me/you don’t need to kill me bc genny has killed me seemed a bit much and I’m not buying it

 

[vampyrica]

what does sleep do? does it give us an extra night cycle and day to discuss?

 

[vampyrica]

@mkg323 @Lissarae06

If either of you have arguments for why we should not vote vampy I would like to hear them. @vampyrica I am of course still open to hearing your defense too. I will be here for the remainder of the cycle and am dragging my feet a bit because of the post volume but will look through your posts.

If nobody else is interested in voting to sleep then village needs to consolidate to avoid a tie. (We also could consolidate on sleep, for the record)

i’ve responded to pretty much everything presented, if there is something specific, i’ll respond but other than that i really have nothing more to say; whether that hurts me or not lol

 

[WildZoo]

what does sleep do? does it give us an extra night cycle and day to discuss?

Sort of. It means we don't vote anyone out today. So yes, would have the night cycle to continue to discuss, then whatever info we might get overnight. Someone will still die overnight barring any protective mechanics, so then it would be VoLo tomorrow (in-game tomorrow, so Monday), where we would need to vote out a wolf or the game would be over.

 

[mkg323]

Sleep in theory is a good option but selfishly, with me starting on Monday idk how I’d really be able to read and contribute more than I have already which I admit is a terrible reason but my hope is we get a wolf and then I get killed and I can just watch from dead chat Monday.

 

[vampyrica]

Sort of. It means we don't vote anyone out today. So yes, would have the night cycle to continue to discuss, then whatever info we might get overnight. Someone will still die overnight barring any protective mechanics, so then it would be VoLo tomorrow, where we would need to vote out a wolf or the game would be over.

so theres pros and cons to this. hm..

we would need to get it absolutely exactly right tomorrow to win if we risk doing a sleep vote. i’m okay with either or if we can agree to consolidate and solve heavily during the night cycle

 

[vampyrica]

Sleep in theory is a good option but selfishly, with me starting on Monday idk how I’d really be able to read and contribute more than I have already which I admit is a terrible reason but my hope is we get a wolf and then I get killed and I can just watch from dead chat Monday.

why do you all wanna dieeeeeee!!!!!