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Santygrass said:
Unyeet Moth
Yeet Viscernable
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If you were going to change your yeet but didn't want to go back to moth, where would you go? Genuinely asking because I feel like Vis is my only relatively confident wolf feel right now and I don't know where I'd go if not Vis, plus not interested in a mothy yeet today
 
Unyeet Vis

Ugh sorting through my reads again will be tomorrow's problem
 
holdthemayo said:
I’m not sure it meant that. I’m not sure that sporty would consider a rez to be a village conversion. I interpreted it more as none of the living players have been converted.
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Sporty's first game had a conversion. She knows what the term means.
holdthemayo said:
In my mind rezzes are different
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Rezzes are living players for future discussions.
 
holdthemayo said:
I’m not sure it meant that. I’m not sure that sporty would consider a rez to be a village conversion. I interpreted it more as none of the living players have been converted.

In my mind rezzes are different
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Yeah, this is where my mind went too. Conversion makes me think someone going village -> wolf behind the scenes without dying, and rez feels like a separate issue, and I'm not sure what technicality Sporty would assume. Multiple people, I think, have mentioned Vis's tone shift when she was rezzed, and I'm going to be upsetti if village loses because we never yeet a rezzed village -> wolf due to a misinterpretation of an item. The meta/tone read might need to be more significant than an unproven mechanic if Vis does happen to be wolf and we want village to win
 
But if conversion is going to happen in the future, at least it makes me feel a bit better about how cornered I've been feeling with my lack of a good wolfy POE, given the possibility for a small OG pack
 
Aprilthearab said:
But if conversion is going to happen in the future, at least it makes me feel a bit better about how cornered I've been feeling with my lack of a good wolfy POE, given the possibility for a small OG pack
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I know. I’m at a point where I d love to test vis and I’d love to test a Clem flip but I’m not necessarily wolf reading them.
 
Aprilthearab said:
Yeah, this is where my mind went too. Conversion makes me think someone going village -> wolf behind the scenes without dying, and rez feels like a separate issue, and I'm not sure what technicality Sporty would assume. Multiple people, I think, have mentioned Vis's tone shift when she was rezzed, and I'm going to be upsetti if village loses because we never yeet a rezzed village -> wolf due to a misinterpretation of an item. The meta/tone read might need to be more significant than an unproven mechanic if Vis does happen to be wolf and we want village to win
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There's no technicality. You're using the term wrong.
 
not sure why a revive that changes ur alignment vs being directly converted would be different?
 
holdthemayo said:
It should be useful info either way
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Well, I'm telling you now that Sporty has always used only one definition for conversion per every single one of her games that I played which contained conversion. So don't overthink it anymore then you'd overthink an answer to the question asking how many wolves are alive.
 
NateTheLesser said:
(Ah, stunning logic 😆

Sold by SOV's stuff? Or what?
Is it just the faction claims that flipped your Wisp read?)
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Reasons I don't want to go into but im reasonably confident about
 
Kay and I are going on an overnight trip tomorrow so my availability will be limited but I'll be able to make sure I have a relevant vote maybe
 
Unsurprisingly, that's why I wanted him shot N2 so he wouldn't continue to be a question mark.
 
Clem J said:
I've voted every cycle? I currently have a vote down? Lol
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Yes, I'm aware. That's what I'm referring to. Your ongoing mysterious front of being certain someone is mafia without clarifying it only to abandon said vote later. I know I'll see that happen again today which has made it difficult to get a grasp on what your POE is.
 
holdthemayo said:
I’m not sure it meant that. I’m not sure that sporty would consider a rez to be a village conversion. I interpreted it more as none of the living players have been converted.

In my mind rezzes are different
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I agree with you. As I mod I would consider them different. I would be thinking wolf rezzes a player they are a wolf and a villager fezzes a player and they are village. I feel much better about Nate , but not as much about Viz.
 
alleycat03 said:
I agree with you on Zenge and Mothy but obviously don’t want to yeet myself. What questions did you ask Nate about me?

Zenge is a very talented player and I just don’t understand the way he handled the fluff situation. It just read as very wolfy to me and shooting veggie doesn’t clear him. The only thing I have pointing towards village!zenge is that the interactions with Poppy don’t quite match up what I would expect from him. Having wolfed with him a few times, he’s usually better about handling packmate interactions and I wouldn’t expect him to not give Poppy any guidance on how to handle voting for a packmate. Maybe he was absent and Poppy did her own thing?

I’m drowning in 2nd yr rn so I understand the critique of me being absent and not providing enough substance for you, but multiple people who I’ve played with regularly are reading me as village. Please take that into consideration.
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I have to admit alley as well doesn’t sound wolfy here (like mother mothy) so unless she is a good wolf or being coached by one, I don’t feel so good about wanting to lynch her.
that leaves the mystery that is zenge, my vote currently on AM, and question of rez v conversion on Viz,
 
holdthemayo said:
To circle back to these comments overnight.

Last night I used an item that showed if any conversions have happened yet in the game.

It said that no villagers have been converted as of then
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Can you provide a more precise description of what the item does? It might give some further insight into mods meaning.
 
holdthemayo said:
To circle back to these comments overnight.

Last night I used an item that showed if any conversions have happened yet in the game.

It said that no villagers have been converted as of then
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Well this is interesting especially considering that the definition of "villager" has been a bit loose with it being a faction game. I'm immediately wondering if we have 3p/neutral characters that could be converted. If so, more sus of April and New!Nate. Not that faction less = not village, but possibly more likely

Animal Midwife said:
Alright. That's very good info to know. It means neither Vis nor Nate were rezzed wolf.
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I disagree with making this broad assumption. I as a mod would consider rezzes and conversion different, especially if the rezzes are not specific on what affiliation the dead would revived as. Whether that definition is "correct" or not doesn't matter. It's sportys world and we're living in it
 
Animal Midwife said:
It wouldn't be. Conversion just means change affiliation.
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Nate claimed to change affiliation / not to be mlre with the church right? Factionless iirc.

So by your definition Nate would've been converted or not?

Maybe would be more clear if you gave the definition of what you and Sporty know as 'converting' tbh
 
SARdoghandler said:
Does anyone have a general list of who has vouched for who at this point? I tried to make a list to reference against my wolf/village reads but I feel like I'm missing some still
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I'll try to post one in a bit. Because rn I feel like there are too much vouches and stuff that just makes it very unlikely for all to be true
 
Or are you saying that she was trying to throw suspicion on you?
 
Santygrass said:
I'll try to post one in a bit. Because rn I feel like there are too much vouches and stuff that just makes it very unlikely for all to be true
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Yeah that was my thought too so I want to try to separate out my list of village reads into content vs vouching so I can reevaluate my POE and not just blindly yeet Vis today without going back and making sure it's actually where I want to be
 
SARdoghandler said:
Does anyone have a general list of who has vouched for who at this point? I tried to make a list to reference against my wolf/village reads but I feel like I'm missing some still
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Im planning to do that grouping today cause we are 17 ppl and I keep feeling I’m forgetting some ppl, due to low participation.
 
Okay, I only have an hour or so before I have to go. Sun isn't so intense and curtains are covering me up so I'm good for now. Let's do this.



(OST needed to hear while reading this. It's a bot and I think it goes kinda well with my character here. So listen is obliged. Anyone who doesn't listen it is bad at mafia and will be yeeted)



Santygrass : I am village. My intellect is totally above the rest of the villagers, and I have a far superior knowledge thanks to all my research, clearly.


Clem J : Claimed to be same aff as Zenge. Flipped a read fairly quickly when Wisp/SoV claimed their aff. Possibly Golden Deer. The way they bonked them also felt villagey, leaning on Golden Deer maybe but not sure.


Mothy : The boobclear isn't enough. I think their tone is natural and the replies to the confusion about Ashen Wolves despite knowing TWSID felt... Good? But could be somewhat couched or maybe a good tone to get away with a slip there. Definetily has equity with the flipped mafia we have already too, and in terms of solving, I'd say is... Severely lacking. Another thing I noticed is that in the noob game, Mothy was a chaotic village, speaking in german just because, doing bomb menaces and just trying crazy stuff. Here they are super toned down if it makes sense? Maybe some other noobs can talk about how they feel regarding this point.
mayo is vouching for them / having a clear there, but they didnt go into detail as of why.


Alleycat : I think... April was the one who noticed how they threw early miranda sus, so I think thats a good point in favor of their case, because a player who is clearly behind isnt going to try to bus a packmate imo. The counterpoint I need to fact check if it was after the night in where Wonda seered Miranda. As in: Maybe as a wolf they knew Miranda was seered and possibly done for, so it could be them setting up. Otherwise, they been kinda UTR and cant give a enough strong opinion to lean on one side. If PoE keeps reducing then they would be a yeet candidate? We'll se when we get there

genny : Still thinking they are likely a wolf LMAO. Content-wise maybe they have one or two post that sound slightly-villagey? But even ignoring the whole not-yeeted thingy and ****ery, I think by comparison / gamestate, with all these vouches and just a lot of people being more villagey, thing just make more sense if we are in a genny wolf world. Idk if there are 3 Hopes Characters here but I could see one being an alpha wolf , and even if not, something that the didnt claim giving them a yeet avoidsnce is what I think.
I saw the point of people giving genny somewhat of a trust for the miranda vote D1, but like.... They didn't get yeeted, that wasn't a bus, and could be something planned to do a 'safe distancing' , so sorry but I don't buy that argument at all.

Viscernable : THE REZZED, INTASUS. Putting that aside, people noticing a tone shift between Rezzed Vis and Prime Vis is somewhat worrying, and honestly I don't know if I'm confbiasing but I could see their content more focused on *pushing* rather than *solving* . I don't know if that makes sense, but maybe this is me struggling to find vibe with Vis trains of thought and solving right now. Also, unless someone else claims it, they were ressed by... A wolf. That is from the faction that kills people and replace them to infiltrate places. So yeah...


SARdoghandler : Very... Pure? Style of posting that just was kinda transparent and was really easy to see them as the church affiliation with fluff. It's weird because at the start I kinda squinted at their content, but without noticing I absorbed the consensus read of SAR being villagey and I can't unsee it. Also SAR I am still waiting for your credit card number pls my daughter has to eat and go to bed I'm poor.

Zenge : Honestly? Mixed feelings because I don't kno what is on Zenge's mind, or how he got so 'confidently' to make some statements.... That didn't make sense. My problem with Zenge is that... Even if at the moment it made my stomach revolve just the obliviousness to church transparency overall, I think their push isn't wolfy.
Like, specially their 'fluff is outed' type of post, the timing of it was just super poor and totally unaware of threadstate (miranda was dying always there, so the push was doomed and didnt gain any momentum), and the frustration they showed at some points seems really genuine. My tinfoil is that maybe villegy while trying to achieve something from their wincon tbh. Also Clem claimed same affiliation as Zenge, so thats another point in their favor ig .


Animal Midwife : I can vibe with SAR motives as to why AM obliviousness / stubborness regarding some points are just more likely to be wolfy frustration at a game which is being solved with flavor (specially with the flavor seering from miranda happening on that day) . And all their pushes had been way off the mark, so she is having sort of the same Zenge's obliviousness but without much reason to townread her? Counterpoints here, is that some dead village that know AM better than me villaread her, and they did say that they could be mech-clear ? If the mech clear AM talks about ends up being some kind of logic being twisted or a oblivious take on flavor I would insta yeet them tho.


SOV : Villagey pushes, and their rationale / tome adds up. They are also a Faction leader, and if they know all their allies and their allies know its him, I think that sort of position is never a wolf. Because if that is the trend, a faction whose leader is a fake, would put them in a huge disadvantage regarding the other factions. So mech-clear in my head.
The counterpoint is that claiming faction leader on thread even if it mech-clears you it's probably super dumb because if there i factional cross-fire you put the target on yourself wowee. I have more mech takes regarding this but slightly worried that they give away my affiliation perspective too much so I'll hold them close to my chest and keep mulling them over.


Mayo : Kinda already said it, but the principal reason I was vibing with mayo its because their catchup entrance was good to me, mostly because they were bringing up points i had in my mind on April.
With hindsight and seeing April with better eyes rn, I think those points where kinda... Easy stuff to catch up on and for them to 'look bad'. I also have to kinda just reread their content because I felt that besides that I mostly forgotten the most part, and I tend to lowkey wolfread someone when that happens to m with their contesnt because its an indicator of their stuff lacking ~impact~ or ~soul~ if you want to put words into it maybe. Currently is my priority to reread because with all the vouchs and statements being said, I think logically what makes the most sense is for Mayo to be lying in something. Aka: They are townreading AM, Vouching for mothy, and also the item (which worked differently from the one who April had) clears from possible converts and is something that takes heat off of Vis and Nate? Idk I doubt for Mothy/AM/Vis/Nate to be all village, and with mayo statements rn , if one is them is a wolf, mayo has equity with them .


Fluff : Faction leader, see above in what I said about SOV and apply here in regards to that topic. But even a better look because she was just playing with an open agenda super easy to read the whole game. Detrimental to their faction I would say, but something that helps us to clear them and look into other people /shrug


Lawpy : #Stillthinkingtheyarethethirdchurchmember . Despite that, I think the way miranda/poppy treated zuri is somewhat clearing, and nothing from Lawpy pinged me much that I remember? I think individually I have maybe the laziest read here, but I'm okay maintaning it at the moment and revise later.


April: *Puts Tinfoil hat* THE HORSE IS THE KILLER, THAT WOULD TOTALLY BE SPORTY NARRATIVE PLEASE FELLOW VILLAGERS OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!
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Okay, I don't really believe it even though I would love it for that to be the case LOL. I think the past day April tone and solving was super villagey, and the pushed / brought attention to both flipped wolves early, so I think they have a really good look imo, and they still feel like poking and trying to solve. And like someone said, a wolf in this state is more expected to look for 'survival' rather than 'solving' so to speak. I vibe pretty much with their thread-feeling of maybe having too much villagey reads and the PoE shrinking .


Chica: I already explained it, REALLY doubt their poppy push comes from a fellow wolf. Specially considering Poppy was also a noob, the whole strenght so to speak of the push and timing is really different from the noob game. The tone and takes they are having I pretty much vibe with also, so they are pretty good in my book.


Nate : ALSO RESSED INSTASUS.
That said, I think Im inclined to believ Nate a little bit more for the factionless claim, and because fluff claimed it and kinda makes sense with what I have on my head on what could've happened.
Also, as a converted wolf I feel like it would be easier to have claimed to 'maintain' alignment? @justafluff were you noticed of Nate losing their church affiliation?
Other than that, Nate feels kinda the same? Well, not the same tbh. Maybe more passive / or null, which kinda adds up to the factionless claim.
COUNTERPOINT , I think a lot of people easily threw Sus on Vis because of being ressed, but Nate got mostly away with it, or heat/push-free , and I dont know how much of a good thing is that analyzing in hindsight .


Wiisp: Another one I just have trouble picking through their brain or how was their game perspective just for the weirness of some of their takes. (Aka the change of read on Nate, the part about complaining to wonda of claiming unnecesary stuff when it was something he already did and then continued doing with factional stuff, and the flame empire kindof slip). Specially looking at the claiming part, I think its mostly wolfy indicative? Because it lacks the village feel of preservation, and he is claiming something that he know it will look villagery, if it makes sense. But just as I have a lot of stuff to maybe pick from Wisp to wolfread him, I also think they have been kinda, super open with their process and I think it weirdly could add up? Not somewhere I would go today imo.




TL;DR : Tiers somewhat ordered.


Cleared

Santygrass
Justafluff
Startingovervet


Village

Chica
SAR
April


Villagey-feels

Lawpy
Clem J
Zenge

Upper PoE

Animal Midwife
Alley
Wiisp

Bottom PoE

Mayo
Nate
Moth
Genny
Viscernable
 
Animal Midwife said:
It wouldn't be. Conversion just means change affiliation.
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I don’t agree that this is how we should view this situation.

Like you might be technically correct on what those terms actually mean, but I don’t think that’s how people always use them, and in this case we should be cautious.

Like I think a lot of people conversion means living player changes affiliation.

Rez means dead player comes back to life, could be a new affiliation.

But most people wouldn’t call a Rezzed player coming back as a different affiliation a “Conversion”, and I’m willing to bet Sporty and KD are two of those people.

So for the purposes of wolf hunting and game solving, I’m not going to assume “no conversions” means the rezed players came back the same affiliation that they died as.
 
Vouch List

Fluff <--> SAR . Both claiming same affiliation (Church). Fluff Faction leader.
SOV <--> Wiisp . Both claiming same affiliation (Golden Deer). SOV Faction leader .
Clem -> Zenge. Clem claimed same aff as Zenge.
Mayo -> Mothy . Mayo vouched for moth, Don't think they got into details
Mayo -> (Nate/Vis)? . Mayo said to use an item that said that no villager was converted. By AM's definition of convertion that Sporty apparemtly shares, that would clear Nate and Vis.
 
@Santygrass
The saying is do as I say, not do as I do lol
So when is say don't claim, it doesn't matter that I claimed, because it's very common for my town game to be as transparent as possible

Also FE engage is put now, im playing that, ill be more available starting Sunday.
 
im not sure why every time we get some kind of information, the thread decides to ultimately dismantle it, and then its useless and wifomy
 
Santygrass said:
Okay, I only have an hour or so before I have to go. Sun isn't so intense and curtains are covering me up so I'm good for now. Let's do this.



(OST needed to hear while reading this. It's a bot and I think it goes kinda well with my character here. So listen is obliged. Anyone who doesn't listen it is bad at mafia and will be yeeted)



Santygrass : I am village. My intellect is totally above the rest of the villagers, and I have a far superior knowledge thanks to all my research, clearly.


Clem J : Claimed to be same aff as Zenge. Flipped a read fairly quickly when Wisp/SoV claimed their aff. Possibly Golden Deer. The way they bonked them also felt villagey, leaning on Golden Deer maybe but not sure.


Mothy : The boobclear isn't enough. I think their tone is natural and the replies to the confusion about Ashen Wolves despite knowing TWSID felt... Good? But could be somewhat couched or maybe a good tone to get away with a slip there. Definetily has equity with the flipped mafia we have already too, and in terms of solving, I'd say is... Severely lacking. Another thing I noticed is that in the noob game, Mothy was a chaotic village, speaking in german just because, doing bomb menaces and just trying crazy stuff. Here they are super toned down if it makes sense? Maybe some other noobs can talk about how they feel regarding this point.
mayo is vouching for them / having a clear there, but they didnt go into detail as of why.


Alleycat : I think... April was the one who noticed how they threw early miranda sus, so I think thats a good point in favor of their case, because a player who is clearly behind isnt going to try to bus a packmate imo. The counterpoint I need to fact check if it was after the night in where Wonda seered Miranda. As in: Maybe as a wolf they knew Miranda was seered and possibly done for, so it could be them setting up. Otherwise, they been kinda UTR and cant give a enough strong opinion to lean on one side. If PoE keeps reducing then they would be a yeet candidate? We'll se when we get there

genny : Still thinking they are likely a wolf LMAO. Content-wise maybe they have one or two post that sound slightly-villagey? But even ignoring the whole not-yeeted thingy and ****ery, I think by comparison / gamestate, with all these vouches and just a lot of people being more villagey, thing just make more sense if we are in a genny wolf world. Idk if there are 3 Hopes Characters here but I could see one being an alpha wolf , and even if not, something that the didnt claim giving them a yeet avoidsnce is what I think.
I saw the point of people giving genny somewhat of a trust for the miranda vote D1, but like.... They didn't get yeeted, that wasn't a bus, and could be something planned to do a 'safe distancing' , so sorry but I don't buy that argument at all.

Viscernable : THE REZZED, INTASUS. Putting that aside, people noticing a tone shift between Rezzed Vis and Prime Vis is somewhat worrying, and honestly I don't know if I'm confbiasing but I could see their content more focused on *pushing* rather than *solving* . I don't know if that makes sense, but maybe this is me struggling to find vibe with Vis trains of thought and solving right now. Also, unless someone else claims it, they were ressed by... A wolf. That is from the faction that kills people and replace them to infiltrate places. So yeah...


SARdoghandler : Very... Pure? Style of posting that just was kinda transparent and was really easy to see them as the church affiliation with fluff. It's weird because at the start I kinda squinted at their content, but without noticing I absorbed the consensus read of SAR being villagey and I can't unsee it. Also SAR I am still waiting for your credit card number pls my daughter has to eat and go to bed I'm poor.

Zenge : Honestly? Mixed feelings because I don't kno what is on Zenge's mind, or how he got so 'confidently' to make some statements.... That didn't make sense. My problem with Zenge is that... Even if at the moment it made my stomach revolve just the obliviousness to church transparency overall, I think their push isn't wolfy.
Like, specially their 'fluff is outed' type of post, the timing of it was just super poor and totally unaware of threadstate (miranda was dying always there, so the push was doomed and didnt gain any momentum), and the frustration they showed at some points seems really genuine. My tinfoil is that maybe villegy while trying to achieve something from their wincon tbh. Also Clem claimed same affiliation as Zenge, so thats another point in their favor ig .


Animal Midwife : I can vibe with SAR motives as to why AM obliviousness / stubborness regarding some points are just more likely to be wolfy frustration at a game which is being solved with flavor (specially with the flavor seering from miranda happening on that day) . And all their pushes had been way off the mark, so she is having sort of the same Zenge's obliviousness but without much reason to townread her? Counterpoints here, is that some dead village that know AM better than me villaread her, and they did say that they could be mech-clear ? If the mech clear AM talks about ends up being some kind of logic being twisted or a oblivious take on flavor I would insta yeet them tho.


SOV : Villagey pushes, and their rationale / tome adds up. They are also a Faction leader, and if they know all their allies and their allies know its him, I think that sort of position is never a wolf. Because if that is the trend, a faction whose leader is a fake, would put them in a huge disadvantage regarding the other factions. So mech-clear in my head.
The counterpoint is that claiming faction leader on thread even if it mech-clears you it's probably super dumb because if there i factional cross-fire you put the target on yourself wowee. I have more mech takes regarding this but slightly worried that they give away my affiliation perspective too much so I'll hold them close to my chest and keep mulling them over.


Mayo : Kinda already said it, but the principal reason I was vibing with mayo its because their catchup entrance was good to me, mostly because they were bringing up points i had in my mind on April.
With hindsight and seeing April with better eyes rn, I think those points where kinda... Easy stuff to catch up on and for them to 'look bad'. I also have to kinda just reread their content because I felt that besides that I mostly forgotten the most part, and I tend to lowkey wolfread someone when that happens to m with their contesnt because its an indicator of their stuff lacking ~impact~ or ~soul~ if you want to put words into it maybe. Currently is my priority to reread because with all the vouchs and statements being said, I think logically what makes the most sense is for Mayo to be lying in something. Aka: They are townreading AM, Vouching for mothy, and also the item (which worked differently from the one who April had) clears from possible converts and is something that takes heat off of Vis and Nate? Idk I doubt for Mothy/AM/Vis/Nate to be all village, and with mayo statements rn , if one is them is a wolf, mayo has equity with them .


Fluff : Faction leader, see above in what I said about SOV and apply here in regards to that topic. But even a better look because she was just playing with an open agenda super easy to read the whole game. Detrimental to their faction I would say, but something that helps us to clear them and look into other people /shrug


Lawpy : #Stillthinkingtheyarethethirdchurchmember . Despite that, I think the way miranda/poppy treated zuri is somewhat clearing, and nothing from Lawpy pinged me much that I remember? I think individually I have maybe the laziest read here, but I'm okay maintaning it at the moment and revise later.


April: *Puts Tinfoil hat* THE HORSE IS THE KILLER, THAT WOULD TOTALLY BE SPORTY NARRATIVE PLEASE FELLOW VILLAGERS OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!
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Okay, I don't really believe it even though I would love it for that to be the case LOL. I think the past day April tone and solving was super villagey, and the pushed / brought attention to both flipped wolves early, so I think they have a really good look imo, and they still feel like poking and trying to solve. And like someone said, a wolf in this state is more expected to look for 'survival' rather than 'solving' so to speak. I vibe pretty much with their thread-feeling of maybe having too much villagey reads and the PoE shrinking .


Chica: I already explained it, REALLY doubt their poppy push comes from a fellow wolf. Specially considering Poppy was also a noob, the whole strenght so to speak of the push and timing is really different from the noob game. The tone and takes they are having I pretty much vibe with also, so they are pretty good in my book.


Nate : ALSO RESSED INSTASUS.
That said, I think Im inclined to believ Nate a little bit more for the factionless claim, and because fluff claimed it and kinda makes sense with what I have on my head on what could've happened.
Also, as a converted wolf I feel like it would be easier to have claimed to 'maintain' alignment? @justafluff were you noticed of Nate losing their church affiliation?
Other than that, Nate feels kinda the same? Well, not the same tbh. Maybe more passive / or null, which kinda adds up to the factionless claim.
COUNTERPOINT , I think a lot of people easily threw Sus on Vis because of being ressed, but Nate got mostly away with it, or heat/push-free , and I dont know how much of a good thing is that analyzing in hindsight .


Wiisp: Another one I just have trouble picking through their brain or how was their game perspective just for the weirness of some of their takes. (Aka the change of read on Nate, the part about complaining to wonda of claiming unnecesary stuff when it was something he already did and then continued doing with factional stuff, and the flame empire kindof slip). Specially looking at the claiming part, I think its mostly wolfy indicative? Because it lacks the village feel of preservation, and he is claiming something that he know it will look villagery, if it makes sense. But just as I have a lot of stuff to maybe pick from Wisp to wolfread him, I also think they have been kinda, super open with their process and I think it weirdly could add up? Not somewhere I would go today imo.




TL;DR : Tiers somewhat ordered.


Cleared

Santygrass
Justafluff
Startingovervet


Village

Chica
SAR
April


Villagey-feels

Lawpy
Clem J
Zenge

Upper PoE

Animal Midwife
Alley
Wiisp

Bottom PoE

Mayo
Nate
Moth
Genny
Viscernable
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I am right with you on cleared and village. Wisp I obviously disagree strongly, the rest imwould move around a bit but pretty reasonable, the problem is the Poe is too big right now (not your fault) we have a lot of questions.

I have given mayo a pass previously, should probably look closer, but my gut was saying don’t bother,
 
Animal Midwife said:
Yes, I'm aware. That's what I'm referring to. Your ongoing mysterious front of being certain someone is mafia without clarifying it only to abandon said vote later. I know I'll see that happen again today which has made it difficult to get a grasp on what your POE is.
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I feel like I've been explicit that im not positive you're mafia i just think you're my best current vote
 
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